Nokia 7600 All-in-One Phone 275
prostoalex writes "The new Nokia 7600, reviewed by people at MobileMag is a 3G/GSM phone with radically new design and built-in functionality of an MP3 player, multimedia browser and digital camera. The phone supports WCDMA as well as GSM 900/1800. Some pictures of the product are available at Nokia's site. This is perhaps Nokia's first attempt to marry mobile phone and PDA in a lightweight and thin formfactor."
First attempt? (Score:5, Informative)
AFAIR Nokia was the first cellular phone maker, who introduced combined phone and PDA (Nokia Communicator). It wasn't maybe "lightweight and thin", but the times were different.
Regards
Re:First attempt? (Score:3, Interesting)
Different form factor for different uses, this is the gadget that might make 3G seem a little cooler.
Hmm...but why? (Score:3, Insightful)
Round and round we go.... (Score:5, Insightful)
Just stop for a second and realize that not everybody has the same tastes as you. Variety is good! People who want all that and a bag of chips can go buy a PDA/Phone/Camera/MP3/GPS, and people who just want a phone can get one of the simple no-nonsense Nokia models. People who like to have their pants stuffed with electronics can buy it all separately so they can practice juggling it all while simultaneously talking to clients on the phone.
In the end, we all benefit when there's choices. Quit complaining when a product isn't the same as the products you like-- and just go buy those instead.
And yes, I should probably heed my own advice.
Re:Round and round we go.... (Score:5, Funny)
Cell phone
PDA
If I get one more device for my belt I qualify for a big yellow belt buckle the shape of a BAT.
Re:Round and round we go.... (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Hmm...but why? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Hmm...but why? (Score:2, Funny)
Hey! Some of us have been waiting ages for an ashtray-mini TV hybrid!
Seriously tho'... hold one of these to your head to talk and you're half way to owning a set of Spock ears.
Looking forward to future generations (Score:2, Insightful)
I'm eagerly waiting for the day when we'll have a small device that's a cell phone, mp3 player, and full web browser, WITH a reasonable input interface. I applaud each step closer to that day.
Re:Hmm...but why? (Score:5, Insightful)
It's a matter of opinion I guess. I stopped carrying my Palm after about six months. I didn't like having both a PDA and a phone hanging from my belt. For me, the more things they can cram into a cell-phone-sized package the better.
Also, just making the phone smaller is useless at this point. To have any real effect you'd have to shrink the screen and keyboard to an annoyingly small size. Better to keep a reasonable form factor and just put more things in the case.
As for using the PDA while you're talking, the hands-free earpiece is what you need. Also good for freaking people out in the supermarket as you appear to talk to an invisible person.
Re:Hmm...but why? (Score:5, Funny)
Actually, here in the UK where hands free kits are becoming increasingly common, there's a corollary to this - when you actually do get some disturbed character walking down the street ranting to himself, nobody pays any attention as they assume he's just on the phone to someone...
Re:Hmm...but why? (Score:2)
I just assume the guy he's talking to is named Al.
Re:Hmm...but why? (Score:2)
Better, not smaller (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Hmm...but why? (Score:2)
So, I replaced my nokia 8210 and palmpilot with a nokia 7650 (specs here [nokia.com], you can't get them in north america.)
I'm a convert. The 7650 doesn't suffer too much from lack of a full keyboard or touch screen, and it not too big to carry everywhere. The OS is a dream, everything just works and is very intuitave. Its fun taking snaps or short videos with its built-in camera, and the quality is poor, bu
Re:Hmm...but why? (Score:3, Funny)
The main reason is that no, they are not small enough to be insignificant. I need my front right pocket for my keys and my front left pocket for my Treo and the back pockets break things when I sit down, where could I possibly put another device?
Re:Hmm...but why? (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Hmm...but why? (Score:2)
Re:Hmm...but why? (Score:2)
So why not just a pda that has bluetooth and gsm/3G built in.
Who wants two devices to lose.
That is a nice design (Score:2)
I'd feel pretty stupid holding it up against my face to talk. Although, a bluetooth headset might make a nice addition... Handset's a bit counter intuitive too.
Not that I really need a 3G phone anyhow.
Re:That is a nice design (Score:2)
Re:That is a nice design (Score:2)
Exec: "How do we sell more cellphones?"
Designer: "Why don't we focus on improving the interface, making it easier to..."
Marketer: "I KNOW!. We'll arrange the numeric keypad in a really kewl way!"
Exec: "Brilliant! Let's go with it!"
Designer: "But...*sigh*"
Upsidedown? (Score:2)
Dear God thats a big phone. (Score:3, Insightful)
As much as part of me finds it an amusing gadget, this really does seem to be part of Nokia's drive to add so many other applications to phones that they stop being any good at phone calls. I wish my 3510i was as good at the phone basics as the old 3210.
I thought they had learned after the 3650, but.. (Score:5, Funny)
Re:I thought they had learned after the 3650, but. (Score:3, Funny)
If it becomes availble in pink, the young ladies can make a frantic dash to answer that important call only to discover they're answering a rubber diaphragm!
New Ugly Duckling (Score:5, Funny)
Re:New Ugly Duckling (Score:3, Informative)
So far I'm not too impressed with the Bluetooth headsets out there either. I bought one from Belkin and one from Jabra. Neither one would work with the 3650's Bluetooth profile. I suspect that the 7600 will have similar issues
The 7600 looks too bizzare and the keypad looks like it will be nearly useless.
Re:New Ugly Duckling (Score:5, Interesting)
The 3650 isnt really ugly...its shaped like a normal celly and really the only unorthodox thing is the keypad, which doesn't take much to get used to and is actually good for typing with t9.
Its larger than average cell phones but not larger than ones of the past. I went from a Mitsubishi t250 to the 3650 and the nokia was lighter.
And...the beauty of gsm is the sim card. just buy a smaller more compact 'normal' phone for the times you just need that.
all in one? really? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:all in one? really? (Score:2, Informative)
3G UMTS
Triband GSM 900/1800MHz/1900MHz
Dimensions: 60 x 148 x 24mm
Weight: 212g
Screen Size: 39.9 x 61mm
Screen Resolution: 208 x 320, 16 bit / 64K colors
Built-In 8MB memory with expandable SD/MMC slot
Integrated camera (640 x 480 resolution)
Symbian OS
GPS
Audio playback - 128kbps (AAC, MP3) or 64kbps (WMA)
Audio streaming - 128kbps (AAC)
Video playback - 256kbps
Video streaming - 64kbps to 384kbps
Speakerphone
Java applications support
Opera browser
GPR
Re:all in one? really? (Score:2)
Re:all in one? really? (Score:2)
So, if you're used to GSM phones, then you could use this thing on its WCDMA band and perhaps get better quality call sound.
Re:all in one? really? (Score:2)
Re:all in one? really? (Score:3, Interesting)
The 4kHz bandwidth of the phone system was designed in from year dot because it is the lowest figure which can practically be used. The perceived quality could be vastly improved by simply doubling this figure - it's not necessary to reproduce hi-fi quality. This would not cripple the phone system, because the take up of phones which supported this would be gradual. The phone companies could c
I dub thee (Score:3, Funny)
Re:I dub thee (Score:2)
prof. Farnsworth is a slashdotter?
Re:I dub thee (Score:2)
measuring 87mm x 78 mm x 18.6 mm
Dude, it's THREE FRICKIN' INCHES WIDE! That's only slightly smaller than MY FIST.
PDA? (Score:2, Interesting)
What gives you the idea that this is supposed to be a foray into the PDA arena by Nokia? The tiny display doesn't make it seem like a PDA. The lack of a stylus input doesn't make it seem like a PDA.
It looks like a repackaged 7650, designed to sell to rich German kids with more money than sense.
Other links: (Score:5, Informative)
Review in The Register here [theregister.co.uk].
Nokia page about the phone, with a better listing of fetures here [nokia.com].
what's the the numeric keypads ... (Score:5, Insightful)
I know you do it too
Re:what's the the numeric keypads ... (Score:5, Funny)
Aah, young 'un. Time was, back in my day, that phones were all circular dials like the 3650, and it was these bizarre three-in-a-row pads that were the weird ones.
Well...that's only just true - I'm not that old really. However, I was certainly around to see the dying days of the circular dials in the mid-to-late 1970s. Back then, men were men, women were women, small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri were real small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri and phones were real phones. They were made of bakelite, had clicking dialing mechanisms and sported proper bells inside. An important side effect was that they were also heavy enough to be used as a decent murder weapon.
Not sure about this new thingy, but the recent 3650 just resurrected the good old days.
Cheers,
Ian
Re:what's the the numeric keypads ... (Score:3, Interesting)
Type it in once... then forget it. (Score:2)
If they were REALLY your friends, you would store their numbers in the phonebook and never have to dial again.
Re:what's the the numeric keypads ... (Score:2)
I congratulate your smart ass approach, but you missed what he was saying. He was talking about borrowing someone elses phone, like say, if your phone has a dead battery. Then, trying to dial a friend and realizing that you have memorized the muscle movements but not actually the number and you look like a total dork attempting to airdial a number a
Re:what's the the numeric keypads ... (Score:2)
Ponxx
Re:what's the the numeric keypads ... (Score:2)
My office phone doesn't have an electronic phonebook, and it's pointless for me to use my cell when that phone is sitting right next to me. I have to really stop and think about what my GFs number is but I can d
Where's the review? (Score:5, Insightful)
I have no problem with press releases, but the submitter should *not* have claimed it was a review.
Tch! (Score:2)
Guess I'll have to get the car re-plumbed.
Re:Tch! (Score:2)
What's wrong with the T610?
Re: (Score:3, Insightful)
Well, *almost* everything (Score:2)
*obligitory "waaaaah no OGG support!" comment included here at no extra cost.
Re:Well, *almost* everything (Score:2)
Richie Hass downloads [msgeek.com]
I encoded both .MP3s and .OGGs here, using Sound Forge as the ripper/encoder. The .OGGs are smaller and sound better. Sound Forge has a genuine Fraunhoefer codec so don't tell me it's not the cruddy codec. Oh yeah, don't tell me to use F/OSS stuff for the job because I tried everything for the purpose that installs default on Mandrake 9.1 and I couldn't get satisfactory results.
Such a
It may just be me... (Score:3, Insightful)
...but I've never understood the purpose of 'phones which can play music yet only have enough room for "up to 50 minutes of near CD-quality music". Go-betweens rarely turn out well and what's the point in having to convert your music to 96kb/s just to fit a whole album on there?
Mobile 'phones often suffer from poor battery life as it is and I can only see this feature reducing it yet more. Why include an additional "feature" that is detrimental to the device's main function? It's a pain having to switch the music on a player at the best of times, but why would you consider it when you've only got fifty minutes and no upgradabilty? I can't help thinking it's only bloated for the sake of it and to appear more trendy. I dread to learn the ways in which Nokia have organised music downloads straight into the 'phone from mobile services...Finally, I'm sure I'm not the only one to lament the lack of Vorbis compatibility. As for LAME, I bet you could barely even fit one song on there...
Re:It may just be me... (Score:2)
"Features" that make the device larger, worse on battery power, and less effective for a single purpose are far more of a hassle than they are worth. I want a cell phone to be a cell phone. Yes its handy if it holds my address. Yes its handy if it has voice recognition. Yes it can be handy if it can check my email/browse the web (pushing it, personally i would rather go for the smaller phone than something like a blackberry, which are actually very useful though).
But N
Re:It may just be me... (Score:2)
AAC kicks OGG's ass, anyway. Who cares if it's not open-source?
ICK! (Score:2)
What's wrong Nokia? regular looking (and useful) keypad too good for you? No wonder many Nokia users have all of their numbers in the phone instead of thier head! It's faster to hit a speed dial then a 7 digit phone number.
More than meets the eye. (Score:2, Insightful)
And while I'm waiting, I'll get the NGage instead, because the last thing I need is a cellphone that's just a cellphone. I need to spend way too much money on something that has tons of awesome features, but as a phone has bad reception and drops calls all the time.
Cute with a capital Q (Score:4, Insightful)
Regarding "How do I use the PDA and talk at the same time?" -- use a $60 bluetooth headset.
What is it missing to make my perfect convergence unit?
a) Higher-res screen. According to the specs at Nokia [nokia.com], it's only 128x160, less than an older-generation Palm. Give me at least 320x240, and we're talking useful
b) Memory slot. I'm not terribly fussy. My camera is CF, my Palm is SD (but I don't own any devices for it, because it doesn't have good enough sound for me to want to download MP3s), my laptop supports SD and MS but not CF (which is solved with a PCMCIA card)
c) Maybe a stylus. I've gotten very used to touchscreen on my Palm -- it's sorely missed on my GPSr for selecting items and text entry.
d) Oh yeah, GPS receiver.
(a), (c) and (d) are mainly price issues. (b) means they want you to keep paying to download over the phone lines.
Re:Cute with a capital Q (Score:2)
gotta run...
Obligatory Simpsons Quote... (Score:2)
<Operator> The fingers you have used to dial are too fat. To order a special dialing wand, please mash the keypad with your palm now.
I want just a phone (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:I want just a phone (Score:4, Informative)
Re: (Score:2)
Is it just me... (Score:2)
Ugly, not designed for human use... (Score:4, Interesting)
By far my favorite so far is the Samsung SPH-i500 (see it here [cnet.com]), and it's upcoming successor, the SGH-i500, which will be the GSM version, with Palm OS 5 and other goodies.
This is what I've been waiting for, for some time - a cell phone, with a Palm OS PDA built in, and complete integration between the two. You can manage one address book, click on your Palm address book and dial from there, search Zagat.com with a Palm web browser to find restaurants while walking the streets of New York, and pretty much do all the stuff I've always wanted to do with a PDA, but couldn't because it didn't have an internet connection, and getting one added on was too bulky/expensive, and browsing on your cell phone was waaaay too awkward for anything other than the simplest polling of your email to see any new subject lines, maybe reading a short email from a friend.
The CNET reviews are definitely mixed, but I spent an hour or two playing with my friend's SPH-i500 and I'm totally hooked. Now I just need to convince myself to spend 600 bucks on it, after my last large PDA expenditure on a Clie that I use once every month or two.
Re:Ugly, not designed for human use... (Score:3, Interesting)
Anyways, the handspri
What about the S/E p800? (Score:2)
Re:What about the S/E p800? (Score:2)
However, Opera on P800 is really
Re:Ugly, not designed for human use... (Score:2)
Kyocera 7135 (Score:2)
People have no clue when they say ALL IN ONE! (Score:4, Interesting)
For anyone who lives and dies by their palm, take a look at KeySuite. It blows everything else away. The sync NEVER fails and it can have as many cals, address books, and todo's as you want, even from public exchange folders! YES! MULTIPLE!
PS. I am no shill. I just LOVE that program. And every time I hear that "SomethingXYZ(TM) can replace your palm!" I fear my time is being wasted by a reviewer who is younger than than Palm OS itself.
Re:People have no clue when they say ALL IN ONE! (Score:2)
Since I am self employed I probably qualify to craft a reply here.
Even though I don't generally disagree with your notion on "all-in-ONE" the basic calendar in newer Nokias is an absolute killer feature and life saver.
Why? I should urgently call Joe Dork tomorrow at precisely 10:29. Sure, I can add it to the callendar (with
It's just the next step (Score:3, Informative)
Aside from the WCDMA support it does noto seem to offer much more than the 7650 or the 7250i (oh, 7250i doesn't have Bluetooth, and there's no radio in the 7600), so I don't get the bit about "Nokia's first attempt", it's just the next phone in Nokia's high-end line - nothing to get too excited about.
What review? (Score:2)
Interesting design. Looks like your typical skinned mp3 player
Holy... (Score:2)
No amount of cool features and interoperability can make up for that fact that I'd rather be seen masturbating in public than holding this thing up to my face.
BFL
Texting (Score:2)
Rus
!= Review (Score:2)
Even at the student newspaper I worked at phrases like that would get the reviewer hauled out and shot (metaphorically speaking).
// begin cynicism
Of course, this from a
Two disparate functions (Score:2)
If it's a PDA manufacturer that adds a phone, you end up with a great PDA and a sucky phone. And vice versa.
As much as both phone and PDA manufacturers would like to marry these two products to make one less thing to carry, I'm convinced that from a mform factor & UI perspective that it will always be a trade-off. It's easier to just wear a jacket or vest for the extra pockets and carry both.
Interesting but suffering from some tragic flaws (Score:2)
I enjoy carrying around my 3650 and being able to snap pictures all the time. They aren't super high 5 megapixel pictures, but I also don't carry my super high 5 megapixel camera with me all the time. It would be nice if the image quality for these babies reached 1 megapixel.
This phone however suffers from some flaws that make it a bit unfriendly. The dialing interface is worse than that of
Reviewed my ass (Score:5, Informative)
Here's [nokia.com] the original
Here's [mobilemag.com] the copy.
Spot the difference.
If you look, they even include the asterisk from the Press Release, without copying the footnote it links to!
great (Score:2)
For those of you bitching about the 3650... don't worry, this 7600 is as available in the US (GSM 1900, remember?) as the 7650, the grown-up older brother of the 3650.
Which is to say, we're not getting any of the better phones.
MP3 and *AAC*? (Score:2)
"Content" can be downloaded... (Score:2)
I'm looking into getting my first cell phone, but I want one that I'll be able to sync with my calendar, address book, etc... I don't care if it's not a full PDA - but if it has a calendar or whatnot built in to begin with, I want to be able to sync it.
It seems that all the new phones only sync with the providers servers and there's no direct connection method...
Looks good but (Score:2)
Nokia 7600 looks good but I am getting this one:
Image1 [palminfocenter.com]
Image2 [palminfocenter.com]
Image3 [palminfocenter.com]
Image4 [pdafrance.com]
Image5
Image6 [palminfocenter.com]
A review [wsj.com]
Click on screens to view all screens [treocentral.com]
Direct Neural Stimulation I/O, Next (Score:2, Funny)
Now, if we can just figure out how to teach the damn things to be suspicious of new acquaintances [chronicle.com], we can beat the Borg via free-market alternatives to the one, monopolizing collective!
Looks good, but.. (Score:2)
Especially the first point is what I'd be most interested in.
UMTS? Yes! Video chat ? no! (Score:2)
Secondly, it's a UMTS phone, which could be a good think except Nokia doesn't think video chat is important.
Third - Nokias track record when it comes to quality in their products sure as hell won't pursuade me buy this phone.
No, Motorolas A920 is the way to go. It looks great.
Hiptop (Score:2)
Re:Ugly.. (Score:3, Insightful)
Someone's calling on the Taco. (Score:2)
Bear in mind this is from the company which brought us the N-Gage, a device which has been described as looking like a taco and requires you to remove the battery to change game. Nokia make fine phones but something seems to have gone wonky of late with their work in other areas.
Re:Ugly.. (Score:2)
"This is perhaps Nokia's first attempt to marry mobile phone and PDA in a lightweight and thin formfactor."
"The elephant is much too much big for Kyle to keep in the house, so he tries to bring it to school. Cartman mentions that he got a pot-bellied pig which is small enough to keep in the house"
Re:Ugly.. (Score:2)
Rant away, good sir... (Score:2)
I might also recommend the Nokia 3565 and 3390 as phones that appear to be relatively simple. T-Mobile has both for $50 with no contract, which is outside your range-- but I don't recall *ever* being able to buy a $40 cell phone without sign
Re:Rant away, good sir... (Score:2)
I like the 82xx series from Nokia. It does the cell phone thing just right for me. It is small enough to be unobtrusive, but large enough that the buttons are easy to use. It has very good battery life. The UI for the phone book and such is intuitive.
Just don't ask it to be anything other than a phone.
For the record, I'm using the 8265 on an AT&T TDMA network.
Re:Can they design a phone... (Score:2)
Re:Can they design a phone... (Score:2)
It is way more
Re:Can you hear me now? (Score:2, Insightful)
And for the record, this thing looks as ugly as Anna Nicole.
Re:3650? n-Gage? 7600? (Score:2)
Re:Nokia's "Designers" = WinAMP Skins (Score:2)