
150 Mbit/s DSL. 345
surstrmming writes "German company Infineon have released their new QAM
VDSL Plus
chips, providing 150 Mbit/s data rates over ordinary copper wire." Note that that kinda throughput is at the 1000 feet mark... but the chip can still serve up 4mbps even at 13,000 feet.
Where is my last generation Broadband? (Score:5, Insightful)
lately I have been having second thoughts.
I live in the middle of Silicon Valley and they can't even serve me DSL better then
190Kbits/sec. No cable modem in my area eiter. It is so painfull, I almost posted this
anonymous
No really...when will last generations broadband stuff truly be available to the masses
here in the US? Who and how will they fix the last-mile problem if the governament isn't
stimulating this issue?
Same with the phone network. 3G you ask? HAHAHA, not in the mother-of-all-technology
countries, nosir.
Re:Where is my last generation Broadband? (Score:2)
These are cable TV people. They view multiple hosts behind NAT as theft-of-service; the functional equivalent of illegal secondary cable-boxes!
I don't care if it's 10x speed at .5 price...
Re:Where is my last generation Broadband? (Score:2, Informative)
Now, to pare down my $130 a month cable bill...
Re:Where is my last generation Broadband? (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Where is my last generation Broadband? (Score:2, Informative)
I'll take my 10x speed and
Re:Where is my last generation Broadband? (Score:2)
I get 1.5Mbps down, 768Mbps up on DSL, plus Speakeasy are generally cool folks. Run their own RPM-find mirror. Now, all they need are .debs!
Re:Where is my last generation Broadband? (Score:2)
Re:Where is my last generation Broadband? (Score:2, Informative)
BTW...screw Verizon and Comcast, I have been phoning them for over 2 years now with little or no progress. "Soon" they say.
Re:Where is my last generation Broadband? (Score:3, Informative)
www.direcway.com
Little pricey, but it is bi-directional satellite access
Latency sucks if you try to do online games or streaming
anything , but it is good for downloading , and hits around
500Kbps optimally
Peace,
Ex-MislTech
Re:Where is my last generation Broadband? (Score:2, Insightful)
you must have missed this story: (Score:5, Informative)
Re:you must have missed this story: (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Where is my last generation Broadband? (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Where is my last generation Broadband? (Score:2)
Lesson: Check broadband availability before you buy the house. Because if you rely on it (my wi
Re:Where is my last generation Broadband? (Score:2)
here in the US? Who and how will they fix the last-mile problem if the governament isn't
stimulating this issue?
Heh, firstly, quit whining about 190k/sec. I just went to Bellsouth ADSL from Charter cable, a 384kb/s -> 1500kb/s jump (and man it feels good).
Secondly, the government isn't stimulating this issue (and neither are the states), because the country has serious economic problems. Living with "just" 190k/sec w
Re:Where is my last generation Broadband? (Score:2)
Hell yeah. Where I live, I am lucky to get 28.8. People down the road are lucky of they get a 21.6 conection. There is no ADSL or cable. Satellite, even 2-way satellite, is terrible since for the 2-way servie you are limited in the number of outbound conncetions. For deluxe packages you get something like 35 connections. I use more than that for a
Re:Where is my last generation Broadband? (Score:2)
Prepare yourself for lots of questions, prepare to make this your fulltime job (and charge accordingly, you'll get 1000 "I can't check my email" "Why won't msn.com come up" questions).
However, wireless technology is very crappy during storms and weather. Latency is terrible. This means you'll get lots of complaints from gamers, because their ping
Re:Where is my last generation Broadband? (Score:2)
Yeah, like having decent infrastructure is somehow bad for the economy. [/sarcasm]
The gov't is acting in the best interests of local monopolies/campaign contributors, not the people.
Re:Where is my last generation Broadband? (Score:3, Insightful)
56k is all
consider yourself relatively lucky
Pretty cool, but... (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Pretty cool, but... (Score:2)
Now that I live in RI again, I can't get DSL. I'm 12,000 feet from the CO. 128/128 dsl does not compare to my Cablemodem, even though my cablemodem is heavily nerfed (bloc
Re:Pretty cool, but... (Score:2)
Re:Pretty cool, but... (Score:2)
T1 lines are also regulated. The ISP must have the bandwidth to support their T1 line customers. A DSL is not guarenteed bandwidth; I was lucky enough to get an ISP that just happened to always give me all the bandwidth I could use.
I'm willing to pay for the bandwidth, if I can
simpsons reference... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:simpsons reference... (Score:2)
Does anyone need that much porno?
mmmmm... one million times
(i know i butchered the quote, get over it, i have a life outside of tv)
My cable (Score:2, Interesting)
Space (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Space (Score:2)
By the way, 200Gb is small time when youu have that kinda speed, and, most providers wont pump it out that fast, so you wont be getting much advatnage out of it. After all, i rarely download over 150kbs, even though i've been able to acheive well over 200kbs (the provider is just as important in this equation)
Re:Space (Score:2)
That being said, the up is like 60-70KB/sec
Re:Space (Score:3, Insightful)
I'd prefer that they bundled it with a gigabit ethernet card.
useful for intranet too (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:useful for intranet too (Score:2)
Re:useful for intranet too (Score:3, Insightful)
Also, both Cisco and SMC and others I'm sure make a product called extended ethernet which is designed for just this scenario. Granted, it IS essentially a dslam, it just looks more like an ethernet switch, but you patch it and a filter/splitter into the phone lines. Also, they don't run at 150 mbit, but with this chip, they could.
Re:useful for intranet too (Score:2)
Re:useful for intranet too (Score:2)
Sounds like a job for VoIP. (Voice over IP.)
I am at work at the moment and there is a single cat5e cable coming from the jack up onto my desk which plugs into a Cisco 7910 IP Phone. Another cat5e runs from the phone to the computer. I think th
New, Fast DSL (Score:3, Funny)
--
From anonymous: "
All I Want To Do
Is Be Close To You,
All I Want To Say
Is Thank You For The Way,
You Love Me,
You Love Me,
All I Want To Do
Is Be Close To You,
All I Want To Say
Is Thank You For The Way,
You Love Me,
You Love Me,
You Are Faithful,
To All That You Have Promised And,
Loving in all your ways,
And still with all of my failings,
You Love Me, You Love Me, You Love Me.
Profit! (Score:4, Funny)
Step 1: Move within 2000 feet of DSL provider
Step 2: ???
Step 3: Profit!
Re:Profit! (Score:2)
Typeical Cable Runs + Fibre (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Typeical Cable Runs + Fibre (Score:4, Funny)
Cool... until you turn the shutoff valve! q:]
"No! Don't turn off the gas!"
"But sir, your house is on fire?"
"You'll kill my broadband!"
"............(muttering) f$%#ing geeks...."
MadCow.
Re:Typeical Cable Runs + Fibre (Score:2)
You'll have it when... (Score:2)
Interesting... (Score:2, Insightful)
Rather than keep seeing high bandwidth broadband in (rather) short distances, why not develop a network with decent speeds 500kb/s+ that can go long distances. Wireless helps, but is not quiet there. There have been discussions about in
Re:Interesting... (Score:2)
Re:Interesting... (Score:2)
Translation (Score:2, Informative)
13000 feet = 4km.
For most, won't matter. (Score:5, Informative)
DSL needs shot in the arm (Score:4, Insightful)
If DSL could truly start offering service that is MUCH faster than cable, they might be able to reverse the trend towards cable (67% for cable vs. 28% for DSL according to a recent Pew Internet & American Life Project study [pewinternet.org].)
Non-troll slashdotted text (Score:5, Informative)
VDSL Leaders Announce VDSLPlus: Data Rates Up to 150Mbps and Extended Reach Exceeding 4 KM Using Robust QAM Technology
2003-06-11
Joint news release of Infineon and Metalink
Munich, Germany and Yakum, Israel â" June 11, 2003 â" Addressing the market demand for ever greater reach for VDSL and ever greater bandwidth over a single pair, Infineon Technologies (FSE/NYSE: IFX) and Metalink (Nasdaq: MTLK), today announced they are each developing VDSLPlus, which introduces a fifth-band extension of standard VDSL technology. VDSLPlus will enable service providers to offer scalable DSL services ranging from short range applications at data rates up to 150 Megabits per second (Mbps), to long reach applications that allow for more than 4Mbps rates over distances of 4km (13,200 ft) using the same line-card and Customer Premise Equipment (CPE) designs.
VDSLPlus will use a new frequency âoebandâ above the current 12 MHz limit, as defined by international VDSL standards, to achieve the highest speeds ever reached in data transmission over standard twisted-pair copper wire. The benefits of the extended QAM VDSL technology include:
"Infineon and Metalink continuously work to extend the capabilities of QAM VDSL, each making great strides in advancing the technology. As Service Providers and Carriers have mass deployed and gotten familiar with QAM VDSL over the four years it has been in the market, their demands have grown for increased VDSL bandwidth and reach, while they want QAM to maintain its highly cost effective, scalable deployment model. Metalink and Infineon are committed to collaborating with other industry leaders in extending the open QAM VDSL specifications and definitions to continuously meet this demand while preserving strict compliance to international standards," said Tzvika Shukhman, Chairman and CEO of Metalink.
Metalink and Infineon continue to be committed to teaming with other QAM PHY and system companies to promote VDSLPlus standardization in the various standar-dization bodies and to extend the companiesâ(TM) already proven interoperability to the new technology. The two companies are the only suppliers to have demonstrated fully interoperable, commercially available VDSL products.
" The accelerated market demand for enhanced VDSL drives the cooperation between Metalink and Infineon, especially in Asia Pacific and Japan where QAM VDSL is a huge ongoing success. VDSLPlus is an extension to field-proven QAM-VDSL technology, incorporating enhanced integration levels, higher bandwidth capacity, and greater reach capabilities. With more than two million QAM VDSL lines in service generating revenue for Operators and more than a hundred system vendors who already offer QAM-based VDSL platforms, QAM is accepted as the de-facto line code for VDSL,â said Christian Wolff, Vice President of Infineon's Communications Business Group and General Manager of the Access Business Unit.
QAM VDSL chipsets and systems, supporting the ITU, ETSI, Chinese, and ANSI band allocation plans, provide very high speed data transmission rates over robust, noise-immune QAM links enabling simultaneous video, data, and voice services over single-pair copper wires. The inherent simplicity of the QAM line code is demon-strated in superior cost and power advantages over competing VDSL line codes, yet with QAMâ(TM)s sophisticated features and benefits. These advantages are f
That's fast but, (Score:5, Insightful)
I now have broadband from a small, independent company (that is slowly going under cause of SWB), but I get 4 Mbit down and 500 Kbit up for about half the price of SWB's 1.5 Mbit down w/ 16 Kbit up. I routinely have 350 - 450 KB/s downloads, and they have great service. They would most likely hop on a technology like this so they can keep ahead of the big companies, but they are going under.
Without the little companies, there will never be incentive for the big companies to invest in techonology like this or any other technologies that would improve our online experience.
Re:That's fast but, (Score:2)
Old technology (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Old technology (Score:2, Informative)
I would like telcos to step up and start offering consumer grade DSL with synchronous transfers and faster speeds, how about 5Mbps, or 3Mbps even!! We can talk faster after that!
Re:Old technology (Score:2)
Re:Old technology (Score:3, Informative)
You'll never get Internet2 connectivity, unless you are a research institution (or related to one in some capacity). Read about the purpose of Internet2 here [internet2.edu].
Basically Internet2 is a big playground for Universities and research institutions. The idea is that on this playground they will develop new technologies that will someday get folded back into the good old commodity Internet.
-Brian
As if it will matter... (Score:5, Interesting)
Nobody is going to run that kind of pipe out to the CO.
Re:As if it will matter... (Score:2)
DSL Consumers, look elsewhere. For people with mission-critical bandwidth needs, this will be a godsend.
Re:As if it will matter... (Score:2, Interesting)
That's what your paying for with a leased line, quality of service. Every time I took the T1 down at work I got a call within a minute or two from the telco wanting to recify the situation.
QAM? (Score:5, Informative)
QAM stands for "Quadrature Amplitude Modulation" which is a fancy name for a simple concept. Also called "I/Q modulation" it's a way to transmit two data streams over the same carrier signal.
The streams are combined in such a way that they can be separated at the other end by using the two most elegant mathematical theorems of man, sine and cosine. What happens, in basic terms, the streams are at "right angles" to each other in the signal.
Being able to have two carriers worth of data can provide a geometric increase in capacity; this was also the technology that was going to be behind "Stereo AM" radio, but that never made it off the ground (Stero AM would have been cool since it would only have to use one frequency for both left and right channels unlike our current analogue sterophonic FM that uses 2 channels).
Re:QAM? (Score:4, Informative)
QAM is the modulation that they use for digital cable also. Most networks are QAM 64 today, going to QAM 256 in the future, sometime.
Re:QAM? (Score:2)
I think I've heard of that. Isn't that where the stupid people talk loudly, and make a fool of themselves, much like Slashdot? :)
Re:QAM? (Score:3, Informative)
No [bldrdoc.gov], it [techtarget.com] can't [ucnv.edu.au].
For a given signal-to-noise ratio, double the bitrate still requires double the bandwidth. Improvement in modulation techniques can only serve to more closely approximate the theoretical.
Re:QAM? (Score:3, Informative)
Being able to have two carriers worth of data can provide a geometric increase in capacity;
The post makes it sound like it can double almost any existing signal, when in fact QAM (or other techniques combining amplitude with either phase or frequency such as OFDM) has existed in most modulation methods for a long time. Its a rare exception where data is being modulated strictly through AM or FM.
Re:QAM? (Score:3, Informative)
What about the remote users? (Score:5, Insightful)
SBC did offer to sell me SDSL: twice the price of their standard ADSL ($80/mo) at 128K (bleah).
How about some devices to make it easy to relay the DSL signals to the edges of the CO's area?
If a chip can give you those great speeds at 4KM, can we at least get reasonable service beyond that?
Fiber-Fed Neighborhood (Score:4, Informative)
Then there are the people like me who live in fiber-fed areas. It doesn't matter how close I am to the CO, but because my copper terminates in a SLIC hut and not on a CO's MDF, I'm SOL.
People in my shoes traditionally have had to use either IDSL-based services (DSL over ISDN carrier for 144k), or get a T1.
I wish I had the coin for a T1, though.
Re:Fiber-Fed Neighborhood (Score:2)
Re:Fiber-Fed Neighborhood (Score:2, Insightful)
Satellite is a pain in the ass for what you get out of it. You cannot ins
Re:Fiber-Fed Neighborhood (Score:4, Funny)
Well, it's neat and all... (Score:4, Interesting)
Anybody read up on the Internet 2? If memory serves, they've been dishing out 100mbs or so. I can't remember what they were doing with that bandwidth, though.
I'm not asking from a cynical perspective. I'm really curious what happens when 150mbs can be served up. The first thing that pops into my mind is setting up a server at home (assuming 150 up as well as down. I can dream!) and remotely accessing it anywhere. Fun stuff. Wish I was more imaginitive tho.
Great News for ISPs (Score:5, Funny)
If extra bandwidth is only 10 cents per megabyte, a single user on a 150mbit line could choose to purchase up to $4,860,000.00 per month (plus $324,432.46 federal excise tax and $127,368.32 universal service fee) of additional data services! If only a few percent of all users decide to puchase this much data, there would be a huge potential for revenue growth.
Re:Great News for ISPs (Score:2)
4mbps! oh really? (Score:5, Funny)
Outstanding!
At that rate, this 122 Byte comment would take 67 hours 45 minutes to transfer!
Useful top end? (Score:5, Interesting)
The 4km @ 4Mb/s is pretty nice, though.
Re:Useful top end? (Score:2)
A friend of mine bought a house a couple of years ago. It's in a new neighborhood and Bellsouth has fiber down to the neighborhood level, then copper to each house. When the realtor was showing them the house, he noticed the fiber connection was in the backyard (a little air-conditioned box, dunno what you call it)
Re:Useful top end? (Score:2)
Fuggetaboutit (Score:5, Interesting)
The Net will be in the air, encrypted, ubiquitous, undetectable, unstoppable and free.
Re:Fuggetaboutit (Score:5, Informative)
No wireless, high-speed connections can go for very long distances. (Although I'll be the first to jump at it when there is a technological leap that makes it possible)
Since long-hauls are everywhere, there's no chance that wireless alone is going to form an international network. In fact, many countries have very very long hauls, which means even wireless national networks aren't possible in many places.
Any encryption used will be poor... IPSec is nice and everything, but you don't want to waste that much CPU power, and delay, just to visit slashdot. Chances are, it'll stick with the current model. Normal communications will be either plain-text or poorly obfusticated, and only the sites that need serious security will use strong encryption, and they will use that for as little as possible.
Like I said, not until there is a technological breakthrough.
There's a funny one... Yes, I'm sure everyone will just assume your computer naturally gives off hundreds of times the ammount of electromagnetic energy of a cell phone. Not really undetectable...
Not really, perhaps in theory though. Create enough interference on the frequency range it uses, and you can stop it.
Free as in, without limits? As in, your electric bill?
Hey, that's not very fast (Score:2)
[According to what I learned in highschool about the metric system] 150 Mega-bits per second compared to 4 milli-bits per second is an astronomically large difference!
This is getting really annoying (Score:4, Insightful)
DSL has been in the works for around 10 years now and still doesn't come close to its goal of providing one video bandwidth channel which is short of the goal it should have. The problem here is that it takes forever to roll out a new infrastructure. Its time the leaders of the industry realize it and make sure that the next infrastructure rollout has the latent capacity (if not the electronics at the nodes) to carry the petabaud traffic that we'll be wanting in 50 years (that's about how often we can afford to do this crap). Spending any more time and resources on copper is wasting time.
There is a market today for multiple on demand video channels, voice, and internet over a single service. As a consumer, I'd pay double just for the pleasure of dropping SBC on their !@#. Plan for that, meet that, and don't even waste a breath on anything short of that.
To reiterate, the minimum bandwidth requirement for any new deployments should be enough to serve at least three unshared video channels, 3 voice lines, and very high bandwidth internet service simultaneously with room in the medium for growth into the dedicated petabaud range over the next 50 years. Anything less is causing a delay in progress while filling fatcats pockets with the proceeds from rolling out already obsolete services.
Re:This is getting really annoying (Score:5, Informative)
You're sadly misinformed. True rate ADSL as it was originally planned was capable of 7 MBaud downstream. This was designed specifically to hold a television channel with the compression capabilities of the mid 90s. The lite version that was deployed has less power, supposedly to eliminate the need for trips to the premises to install filters, is only capable of 1.5 MBaud. Supposedly, they didn't find out until after they started deploying that the real world would still require the filters. So, we got stuck with a crippled version for no reason other than perhaps to reduce the electric bill of the switch by about 60%. Furthermore, only the people closest to a switch get that. Though in a major metropolitan area, my DSL connection is limited to about 768KB. The only reason I keep it versus cable is that my provider is very good about actually giving me the whole 768KB unlike some which would bottleneck you to modem speeds at their routers during peak traffic loads.
So, a very few might be able to get 1MBaud. I can't. I've tried to view 300KBaud streams and the quality/resolution is so little as to be worthless.
Also, I think 1MB of mpeg4 falls a bit short of what I'd expect to see on an IP based video stream. Chances are I'm going to be watching that on my computer display at times and it has 2048x1536 resolution. I at least expect HDTV signal resolution with good quality. Certainly anything being thought of now and thus not fully deployed until years down the road has to at a minimum target HDTV.
So, I'd like to see a minimum of about 30MBaud guaranteed bandwidth at the worst case distance. But that is just when thinking of current day consumer side technology. There are a lot of hardware advances in the labs now (and some even out of the labs) that could make good use of far more bandwidth than that. There are even production 3D displays available today.
So, my point is that someone looking at what to deploy today and looking at lifetimes in the range of 20-50 years before the deployment cost is paid off as many of these companies are doing, needs to be planning to provide a bandwidth that will be able to grow at a rate of at least 2X every 2 years if not 18 months. We are a long ways today from the 300baud modems of the early 80s and by the early 20s, we should plan to be just as far from 1.5MBaud. That would put us at about 4GB in the 2023 time frame and over 100 PBaud in the 2043 time frame (those that are saying now that there is no way you'd ever use that must not have lived through the 64K, 640K and other barriers of the past that were more than we'd ever need). Thus there is definitely a need for high quality (not plastic) fiber to the curve to be laid by any projects wanting to compete in the long term.
Be carefull... Note "Aggregated Bandwidth" (Score:2, Informative)
peace
999 feet... (Score:2)
I don't mean to troll, but (Score:5, Insightful)
If your own commercialism stops innovation from reaching consumers, vote democratic. Don't oppose taxes. Write letters to your local representatives.
Whining gets you nowhere, and it's just annoying for those of us who actually have a shot at using this technology.
feh (Score:5, Funny)
Other Infinion story - instant-boot chip (Score:3, Interesting)
New chip boots up computers like a light [cnn.com]
Speed is not what is so interesting in particular (Score:2)
What we really need to know is what speed does it deliver at 17,000 feet, and what is the maximum range? Pacific Bell/SWB (West Coast) is only deploying to 14,500 feet maximum now rather than the old 17,000 feet because they couldn't make it reliable at 17k (though in some markets with decent copper, you can get full speed at that range.) Unfortunately most of the pacbell coppe
Let's solve the last mile! (Score:3, Interesting)
Let's stop the whining about lack of high-speed coverage! I have another idea.
Anybody up for pitching in together to build a company to force the last mile. We'll simply bypass the telco and cable companies, put in higher bandwidth than this, charge reasonable fees, and have on-demand video and VOIP as built in services. We'll start with dense neighborhoods and then acquire grants for poor neighborhoods and rural areas. We'll use a shared bandwidth scheme with a minimum speed gurantee. If only 1 user is active, he gets the whole pipe.
It's time to stop the whining about how bad the high bandwidth coverage is and just start making money changing it!
There are enough of us out there (and I'm talking just /.ers) who can cover the technical, financial, and regulatory bases and make this thing happen. Why wait for the bloated telcos and cable companies to build (and own) the new infrastructure. Let's build it ourselves.
New Motto: No more dark fiber! No more dialups!
Bandwidth-wise, nothing beats... (Score:5, Funny)
Not future tech - my ISP offers it *now* (Score:3, Informative)
In essense it says depending on distance to your switch, you get:
<300m: 26 Mbps full duplex
<1000m: 13 Mbps full duplex
>1000m: 8/1 Mbps (down/up)
Price: 399 SEK/month (~50 USD)
Another swedish ISP, Bredbandsbolaget, is also offering VDSL but currently "only" up to 10Mbit.
Typo in the article? (Score:3, Informative)
4MB at 130,000 feet would be impressive, though...
The top speed at 1000 feet sounds good, too, until you remember that at that distance you could run cat5e at 100MB (maximum distance for cat5e is about 1100 feet, cat7 goes about a mile... don't see much of that on sale though).
VDSL @ home (Score:3, Informative)
Displayed in a pleasant manner... (Score:2, Informative)
Munich, Germany and Yakum, Israel â" June 11, 2003 â" Addressing the market demand for ever greater reach for VDSL and ever greater bandwidth over a single pair, Infineon Technologies (FSE/NYSE: IFX) and Metalink (Nasdaq: MTLK), today announced they are each developing VDSLPlus, which introduces a fifth-band extension of standard VDSL technology. VDSLPlus will enable service providers to offer scalable DSL services ranging from short range application
Re:Polarized data (Score:2)
Re:Polarized data (Score:2)
Given that signal degradation is usually either a logarithmic or squared dropoff (depending on how your professor explained it/what scale you use), you should be able to plug some numbers in and maybe even get close.
I doubt it, tho. There just isn't enough (read: any) data on the midrange response.
Re:close, but... (Score:2)
Re:My Provider... (Score:5, Informative)
line to your local CO is over sold
They hook up more ppl than they should to the line to
maximize their profits, it is the same thing AOL did
back in the mid 90's just at a DSL scale vs. dial up
The whole shared bandwidth argument touted by DSL providers
against the cable modem ppl , is just a viable against
the DSL providers
If you abuse the network and over sell it, it is going to
slow down for ppl
You might try another DSL modem, NIC, and PC on the connection,
but if they are the same slower speed then your problem
most likely lies with them over selling the lines
Peace,
Ex-MislTech
Re:My Provider... (Score:2, Informative)
Re:viable alternative to cable? (Score:2, Informative)
Have several ppl use Mesh AP's www.locustworld.com
All of you use different providers as allowed
If one provider goes down, the others will be your
route to the net . You'll see slow down but never
go down, and when they are all working , you can
get combined bandwidth
As long as you are all not leeching at the same
time and do not duplicate downloads, ie. large filez
You will get a better bandwidth experience
I am setting up on of these in a rural town
The scary
Re:Impressive (Score:2)