Spring Cleaning For Your Hard Drive 337
Shutup Now writes "Spring cleaning for your hardrive. This article talks about some extremes for keeping your computer running well. You decide whether this stuff is necessary." More than once a year is a good idea, too.
format c:\ (Score:5, Funny)
It's time to clean when... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:It's time to clean when... (Score:3, Interesting)
when that 6 oz. of dust blocks the blades, and your PSU pops all over the back wall...
true story
Re:It's time to clean when... (Score:2)
Life is too short (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Life is too short (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Life is too short (Score:5, Interesting)
That has been my philosophy since about 1996, and it has served me well. Having a notebook also helps to making sure that important data is duplicated.
I buy a new HD about every 18 months, it usually gives me enough room to dump my (full) previous HD, and still have an equivalent amount of free space. It takes me about 18 months anyways to fill up what's left on the new hard drive.
My friend's trick is to buy small sized hard drives from a big retailer that gives the 'premium' warranty, which is usually good for 2-3 years. When the warranty is almost out, he backs up his data, takes the drive out of the case and drops it from waist height onto the floor. He brings it in, and thanks to Moore's law, gets a new drive that is usually about twice as big as what he originaly had, since HD manufacturers stop making the small sized drives with time.
Re:Life is too short (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Life is too short (Score:5, Insightful)
No offense, but... (Score:5, Funny)
you know what they say about windows (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:you know what they say about windows (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:you know what they say about windows (Score:2, Funny)
Re:you know what they say about windows (Score:2)
Re:you know what they say about windows (Score:2)
Yep, your local McDonalds "family" restaurant.
Re:you know what they say about windows (Score:5, Insightful)
What's your IP address again?
Re:you know what they say about windows (Score:2)
Well, it depends on if you consider those "crashes" or just routine maintenance. In either case, you've got a solid point.
Re:you know what they say about windows (Score:2)
I've run Windows XP since last August. I reinstalled over Thanksgiving break because installing PGP make something go horribly wrong, and my computer ceased to boot completely.
I also ran Mandrake Linux 9 from August to the reinstall of XP. (At which point I could no longer boot to linux as XP overwrote LiLo, and I couldn't figure out how to get it to work and didn't feel like a reinstall, so I just reformatted wit partition magic to a NTFS partition.)
I had more system crashes under the
It's not an overnight thing. (Score:3, Interesting)
Once people know how to use a computer a certain way, they don't want to relearn. I had no choice since my first computer was an Apple
The linux documentation project [ibiblio.org] is the best. Plus
Every day is springtime (Score:5, Insightful)
If I decide an app sucks, I eliminate it on the spot. I put everything related to a project into a single folder whenever possible and when the job is over, I take the time to archive it out to DVD or whatever. I delete all the "test files" ASAP (how many "finalfinal02_B.*'s do you have stashed away?). Delete all those old pr0n files regularly! Dump those log files!
It takes tremendous discipline to avoid it, but I've found all too often, that "spring cleanings" actually tend to be needed on an emergency basis when a new paying project needs space or when performance slows to a crawl.
Similarly, how many bachelor geeks have spent two hours doing dishes on an emergency basis before an important client or, god forbid, a member of the opposite sex is due to arrive.
Re:Every day is springtime (Score:5, Funny)
Now come on... how many bachelor geeks have members of the opposite sex that aren't related by blood come over to their apartment/house? That's not a very realistic sitation. Besides, who uses "dishes" any more? All of the food I eat comes in disposable packaging.
Re:Every day is springtime (Score:4, Funny)
I'll have you know all dishes are made from the only the finest silicon compounds.
Re:Every day is springtime (Score:4, Funny)
You will need:
- 1 set of dishes, purchased at local thrift store
- 2 pot lids, also from thrift store.
- About 20 boxes of jello crystals.
Method:
1) Cook dinner. Use a fresh plate for each meal.
2) When meal is complete, scrape excess off plate into bin, put plate in sink.
3) Turn on hot tap, add enough water to cover plate.
4) Add 2 boxes of jello to the water. Allow the jello to set.
5) Each meal, repeat steps 1-4.
6) When the sink is almost full, put the two pot lids in the sink, handles upwards, fill the sink with hot water (leaving the handles on the pot lids exposed), and add the last of your jello.
7) When the jello sets, you should have a sink full of jello and dishes, with two pot handles exposed at the top of the jello.
8) Use the two exposed handles to pull the entire jello block out of the sink, take the sink-sized jello cube to the thrift store, and put it in the donations bin. Then go into the thrift store, and buy a new set of dishes, and two more pot lids.
The thrift store will then clean your dishes of leftover food and jello, before putting them back on sale. Next week, when you deliver another jello cube, you can buy the same cleaned dishes again. The money you pay buying the same dishes over and over is a donation to the thrift store, so they keep someone needy employed, and you get nice clean dishes for every meal.
Russ %-)
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Bachelorettes have the exact same problem (Score:5, Interesting)
Ah, sexism at its best. Believe it or not, a number of my lady friends(ie, bachelorettes), have -exactly- the same problem. Folks, it ain't just guys who procrastinate cleaning up- women are just better at the last minute frenzied pickup :-)
Re:Every day is springtime (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Every day is springtime (Score:2, Funny)
In my university days, I used to wait until I could smell them from the living room.
Re:Every day is springtime (Score:2, Informative)
ever notice that the more apps you install in any version of windows, the slower and clunkier it gets? no problem you say? just uninstall the app, remove leftover files and delete registry entries? sure, defrag the hard drive while you're at it, hmm?
yes, then how come after doing all that, it still seems slower and clunkier than before?
i have some friends that reinstall windows, drivers and favorite
Re:Every day is springtime (Score:2)
slap those badboys in the dishwasher, and you can start it anytime.
Windows Home Users tips... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Windows Home Users tips... (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Windows Home Users tips... (Score:4, Funny)
No, you should buy a newer one like mine that displays --:-- without flashing.
(Yes, I know how to program it. I just haven't done it since last power outage. And yes, some newer ones set the time themselves.)
What backup? (Score:4, Funny)
Re:What backup? (Score:2)
Stop! Don't Do it. (Score:5, Insightful)
A full reinstall risks loss of data. One example is your email. Outlook express buries its data somewhere in c:\windows\application data\ . Most people don't back up the windows directory and risk losing their email when performing a complete reinstall. Windows 2000, and XP are stable enough that rebuilding the system every 6 months is no longer a best practice. The only good time to reinstall the OS is if there is something wrong with it. For example if you have downloaded some strange porn-viewer.exe that has fsked everything up a reinstall should be your last resort option.
Re:Stop! Don't Do it. (Score:5, Informative)
The windows registry is one cause of this.. it's a huge unmanagable beast, with many ways to have things load and hook in to various operations.
On the other hand, using it as a business system or for a specialized task where you aren't constantly changing configurations, then you probably have more chance of a long-term install working properly. But I wold imagine most /.ers would fit in the former, here. I sure do.
Re:Stop! Don't Do it. (Score:2)
Yes! Do it, darnit! (Score:5, Interesting)
If you know what you're doing (as in, not the type of thing that should be posted in an article for novices, although he did include a warning) doing a clean install can have a *much* greater performance advantage in windows--including windows xp. Heck, from what I observed with my computer, I'd do it every 3 months...although every 6 months is good enough for most heavy users and every year should be good enough for the rest of the population.
The trick is knowing what you want to backup, and making absolutely sure that you have it in places that you'd normally back up anyway. If possible, keep all data files in a separate partition so you can just format the one where windows and the installed programs are. I'd never back up the windows directory (that's where most of the trash that I want to get rid of is), but I changed the outlook directory to "E:\My Documents\mail" (yes, I changed the my documents directory to the "data" partition as well). If you don't have a separate partition, keep a checklist of every directory that you need to backup, and save everything that you would want to backup to those directories.
The only good time to reinstall the OS is if there is something wrong with it.
Not really, sometimes there's something wrong with your system and the best way to truly fix it is by doing the clean install thing. Try running adaware [lavasoftusa.com] and see how much spyware is installed. Then there are viruses...I've never had problems with them, but a friend of mine recently ran a scan and found 9 viruses in his computer, and his only detectable symptom was the computer would lock up often.
Basically, what I'm trying to say with all this is that, if you're careful, you can safely do clean installs without risking the loss of any data at all, and the benefits are much greater than "reorganizing and defragging". And to those who will undoubtly respond...yes, I know, I've never had the need to do frequent clean installs with my linux partition either.
One final advice for all you novices who are going to take the risk and do this for the first time. Don't follow these instructions:
Then you turn your computer off, put the operating system CD into the drive and turn the computer back on.For god's sake...don't force your cdrom open when the computer is off. Just turn it on and plop the cd in there first thing, while in the bios screen :)
Re:Yes! Do it, darnit! (Score:5, Informative)
As you mention, separation of OS and data using partitions gives you quite a bit of flexibility when doing repairs (OS mysteriously implodes, scanner software kills machine, etc). But, there is an important difference between repairs and maintenance. Maintenance means you are cleaning/tuning a functioning computer, perhaps backing up files, removing stale desktop shortcuts, reorganizing files, etc. This means that your computer is NOT crashing and slow.. like the article says. Repairs are when something bad is happening, maybe your computer's performance is slow or the machine blue screens twice a day.. then you need to restore the machine's state to one in which it was functioning properly.. possibly using a clean install.
I think they have good ideas for general system maintenance, cleaning the desktop, programs listing, and re-arranging data into one root data folder (after a full data backup). But, they seem to mix two different problems into one story, and giving some irresponsible advice in the process. The article implies that it will be some kind of "spring cleaning" for your computer, to the average reader this means that computer at home they use to check email and surf the web with. Then they go onto mention that the reader should consider a clean install as part of their "spring cleaning" (yes, I know there is a warning, but why even mention it?).
Through my own experience as a user and computer tech, it is my conclusion that Windows NT-based systems do not need to be rebuilt annually like 9x used to under average use. People who simply use their computers as a means to an end (who are actually a good target for the article), do not install a lot of third-party software. They simply sit in front of their pre-configured machines at home and use the thing. The other types of users are the ones that usually end up doing clean installs of their operating system, those are the ones that like to tinker with their systems. If you know enough to be dangerous, you will be doing this on a regular basis. If you know what kind of software poses a risk to your computer, then you will be able to tinker with your computer for many years without the need for a re-install, providing you are using a modern operating system.
Re:Stop! Don't Do it. (Score:2, Funny)
I use UFS2 you insensitive clod, I don't need to defrag my harddrive!
Re:Stop! Don't Do it. (Score:3, Interesting)
My wife's laptop running Win98 (and no Norton) could really use a reinstall, on the other hand. So go figure.
Re:Stop! Don't Do it. (Score:2)
Reinstall your software? (Score:2, Insightful)
And the author's techniques do not apply to Macs or Linux. Obviously the author is merely a journalist, and not a computer expert.
Not quite time yet... (Score:2, Interesting)
I have 14GB in ~/, and I've still got another 20GB to go before I need to delete some useless files or get a new HD. But at the rate of increase, I may well have a new computer by then anyway.
Incidentally, of that 14GB, about 10MB is actually important, and that is backed up.
Re:Not quite time yet... (Score:2)
What happens if your HD goes kaput???
Having all the "extra" space won't really bring back all your old stuff.
Re:Not quite time yet... (Score:2)
Wow. I thought I was the only one that kept the archives just in case. After I install something, I hang on to the install package so that if I accidentally zap the application I can re-install from the package.
I Agree (Score:2)
I agree. Compact Discs: the modern floppy.
Backup across a network.
--Richard
LFS (Score:2, Insightful)
Balancing acts with cheap new drives (Score:5, Interesting)
A pile of CDs ($2), several hours of an IT professional's time (mine) spent backing stuff up (3x$30-50/hr), the pain in the ass when you managed to miss something vs. that shiny new hard drive ($80).
On a straight time and cost equation, it's reached the point where it's now cheaper to buy a new drive and have a complete backup whenever I want one (plus a fully booting system I know at least semi-worked whenever I break my main one). Six months, or however much, later, if I'm sure I don't need that backup version, instead of a bunch of full CDRs, I've got an extra drive for a toy Linux box.
Then again, the geek factor of getting to fiddle with the minutae kicks in. (Although the extra drives for toy Linux boxes appeal)
If I'm short of time, buying a new drive ultimately works out cheaper. If I've not met my geekiness quota recently, fiddling's more fun.
Spring Cleaning the Debian way (Score:5, Informative)
deborphan will show which library packages are installed but not referenced by any apt-managed package. If you're reasonably sure you aren't building any unmanaged packages, you can just "dpkg -r `deborphan`" a couple times to remove any spurious libraries.
cruft will show all files not recognized by Debian. Capture to a file and filter it through a chain of a few grep -v statements for areas you know you want left alone. You'll get a list of files you can toss in pretty short order.
Re:Spring Cleaning the Debian way (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Spring Cleaning the Debian way (Score:3, Funny)
bash:
Uhh, what now?
Re:Spring Cleaning the Debian way (Score:4, Informative)
This:
Re:Spring Cleaning the Debian way (Score:2)
Thanks for the tip.
Re:Spring Cleaning the Debian way (Score:2)
In the case of Windows ME and XP... (Score:5, Interesting)
Go to My Computer, right-click on your XP drive/partition, click Properties, click the Disk Cleanup button to the bottom right of the pie chart, click the More Options tab, click the bottom "Clean up" button and click OK. I do that about once a week and free up at least 100MB each time.
The disk cleanup applet will take care of the majority of system cruft. I don't know why people wipe and reinstall so often, it's really not necessary. When people talk to me about "random
Mostly, the gradual system slowdown people experience as they add programs over time is due to excess baggage like startup programs and unneccesary services. Check your system tray, hit CTRL+ALT+DEL and check your services list. You don't need WinAmp Agent, Mozilla QuickStart, or anything that automatically starts up anyway when you click on a multimedia file.
And check out This excellent page [blkviper.com] for getting rid of half of the services you never use anyway.
And use BootVis [microsoft.com]. It will clean up your boot time. Maybe a lot.
Re:In the case of Windows ME and XP... (Score:2, Informative)
Spring Cleaning the Gentoo Way (Score:2)
emerge -u world
hmm. did I forget anything?
Re:Spring Cleaning the Gentoo Way (Score:2)
rm -r
"Real men don't use backups, (Score:4, Funny)
(A quote from your hero and mine, Linus Torvalds.)
The Mac (Score:2)
To use? Maybe. It still does seem to keep some slight edges of being more well-thought out, in my opinion.
But I think it's not so much day-to-day use that's easier, it's administration. And that's what I think that many people forget... the kind of thing this article is talking about is, essentially, system administration, something that your average user sucks at. Make that easier, make it transparent, and you've made the
Re:The Mac (Score:2)
Defrag? (Score:2)
Why isn't defragging recommended? Admittedly, most of us 'in the know' are aware frequent defragging helps keep the HD organized... But its not mentioned in the article (unless I missed it in my quick glance). But even so I would think that it is much more important than a full re-install. Is it just because we have so much HD space these days that defragging is not necessary?
Re:Defrag? (Score:2)
I guess a lot of people here are using Windows
--Richard
Re:Defrag? (Score:2)
Re:Defrag? (Score:2)
Back under your 1993 rock, Windows Troll!
Re:Defrag? (Score:2)
Actually, defrag does save some space. If you have a small file fragmented that takes up 4k in say, 5 pieces, it will take up at least 5 clusters. As you know, clusters are groups of sectors that are the smallest size a file can take up.
In FAT32, th
poor advice (Score:2)
Don't reinstall "just because". Yes, Windows XP installs still have problems with falling apart after a while, but less so than it used to be. Yes, applications on Windows still sometimes uninstall poorly (or not at all), but less so than it used to be. Generally, you are OK and disk drives are big enough
Re:poor advice (Score:2)
For backup, even USB1 actually is fast enough: you just set it down and let it do its job in the background.
My Method (Score:5, Funny)
Re:My Method (Score:2)
Isn't this stuff common sense to /.'ers ? (Score:5, Funny)
"Ah yes, the picking of the nose - a long practiced art started by arabs for digging sand out of their nasal cavities after those long caravans. The main trick to picking the nose is one simple rule: if it bleeds, you are picking it too much... or not enough."
w00t (Score:2)
Somebody should write a howto! This article is most intruiging!
Actually, no, it's teh sucks. Don't bother with it.
oops (Score:2, Funny)
A bit offtopic: Cleaning the keyboard. (Score:5, Interesting)
Cmon, unscrew your keyboard's upper molding and wash your keyboard under water, no soap. This is what I do and it works well. I have done it last week with my two Logitech iTouch keyboards. They look like new. Yeah, so water spills over the electronics. So what? As long as the keyboard is not plugged while washing it, and that you let it dry properly on a hot dry day (I let them dry 24 hours to be sure), they will continue to work.
Do not forget, water + electronics is not the problem, its water + electricity (off course, leaving your electronics for months under water, well, it might rust... Don't over do it.
Re:A bit offtopic: Cleaning the keyboard. (Score:2)
Re:A bit offtopic: Cleaning the keyboard. (Score:2)
If your water is soft (or you're using distilled or deionised water) then maybe. But I've seen the thin layer of minerals that hard tap water can leave on electronics. I wouldn't try it myself...
Re:A bit offtopic: Cleaning the keyboard. (Score:2)
Re:A bit offtopic: Cleaning the keyboard. (Score:2)
As another poster said, watch out for hard water. My favorite way is to wash it with ethanol. Excellent solvent. And it dries quickly with no residue.
Re:A bit offtopic: Cleaning the keyboard. (Score:2)
Re:A bit offtopic: Cleaning the keyboard. (Score:2)
BTW, its not though going 24 hours without a keyboard. Lets say 21 hours is enough to dry. You clean your keyboard at 21h00 monday evening, after finishing off any work on your computer. Then, you clean the dishes, watch tv and go to bed. Next morning you go to work. It will be 18h00 when you come back home. Assemble your keyboard and voilà. You didn't miss it much.
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Re:You've got to be kidding (Score:3, Interesting)
Or, spend 15 minutes washing your keyboard in the confort of your home, listening to music. Also, my way of doing it is much more environmentaly friendly.
Do it right the first time... (Score:2, Interesting)
Every spring I (Score:2)
Try this... (Score:4, Informative)
ahem what about hidden IE5 files? (Score:4, Informative)
On a typical win2kpro install they can take up 8 gigs of a 26 gig hd over 2 years of use..
to delete tranverse your douemnt and settings folder to your users folder..
look for local settings folder and enter it..
the temporay internet files folder then needs opened..
warning Content.IE5 folder is hidden in here..add the folder to your path url and hit enter
do not delete foledrs you see..
enter in each folder and do selct all and move to recycle bin
repeat until all those pesky folders in Content.IE5 are empty..
open recycle bin and do select all
right click on itmes and selct delte..
choose ok on confirm screen..
Now your done finally!
Re:ahem what about hidden IE5 files? (Score:5, Insightful)
Just log in as a different user or as the administrator. If you are using a Win98 system then drop to a command prompt at boot and remove the folders. Why in the hell would you ever need to mount the volume under Linux to Remove the folders? Having trouble figuring how people could arrive at this.
If you are using WinNT,2K,XP, just log in as a different user and rmdir
BTW, Reinstalling an OS every year is just about the stupid thing I have heard in years.
The last time I did a 'clean' install was after the completion of a beta where it WAS necessary to remove the beta files for sure. And even this didn't entail wiping the hard drive, just doing a clean install of the OS.
Apparently some people think that their computer is still running Windows 3.1. Geesh
Basically cleaning out the startup items or removing crap software is all that anyone should have to do whether their OS is Win95,WinXP/NT or Linux.
Even on my main testing system, I have NEVER reinstalled the OS, and I do tons of beta testing on it with some really crappy software sometimes (Corel Betas are my favorite for crap installs). But reinstall the OS, I don't think so.
This article is more than ridiculous. Especially considering the market that it is directed at - basic users. They will lose their settings, and tons of files the have forgotten to back up.
Silly Silly...
Ah, the good ol' days (Score:2)
I remember the good ol' days of reinstalls every 6 months to keep my computer running...
Now I use Linux, and since I don't have the privs to install stuff to / (except when I su), I can't put junk in /, and so no cruft builds up in /. As a worst-case scenario (which I haven't had any motivation to resort to), I can just rename my home directory and make a new one with permissions 700 belonging to me, and presto! All cruft gone. Bring in files (i.e., .gaimrc, gconf data) as needed.
Speaking of which, here's
Hard drive visualization tools help out a lot (Score:3, Interesting)
P.S. Be sure to turn on the colour mode in SequoiaView.;)
SuperCleaner (Score:3, Informative)
Are there any OpenSource/Freeware alternatives to this program, that anybody can suggest?
Re:Spring Cleaning (Score:4, Funny)
Re:How do people manage this? (Score:2)
That, along with so many plugins and no defragmentation does that.
Sad really.
Re:More free space != faster, stabler performance (Score:2, Interesting)
This is an important distinction, but Linux/Unix will still have problems when running out of space. Using pipes or applications that use temporary files will be adversely affected on either system if space is low. In any case, 10MB on a modern system is not enough for trouble-free operation. In the case of Unix/Linux, having not enough free space will cause problems with running X, logging, user logins, etc..
Re:More free space != faster, stabler performance (Score:4, Interesting)
Your system will run just as well with 10MB of free space verses 10GB of free space.
This isn't true on Unix either, but for a different reason. See the BSD manpage for tunefs for a hint:
This is one of the reasons why Unix has always had a "reserve space for root", besides making sure things like logfiles can get written even if a user screws up.
Newer FSes like reiserfs don't have this option anymore (last I checked anyway), so maybe they are more efficient about it. I've never seen any Linux docs make a similar claim, but I'd imagine that however it's implemented having a small amount of free space is also going to force higher block fragmentation.
Re:More free space != faster, stabler performance (Score:2)
FAT is prone to defragmentation. The longer since you've 'defragged' or reformatted, the slower your disk accesses will be. Many newbies are unfamiliar with defragging their drives and for them they only notice that removing programs helps gain speed.
FAT is simply not a good filesystem for large amounts of data. Checkout the following document for a nice intro:
http://people.msoe
Re:What? (Score:2)
Re:What? (Score:2)
Re:What? (Score:2)
We could see some grandma's doing some nasty clothing mods!
I Worry About Cleaning My Disk (Score:3, Funny)