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Semiconductor Technologies Guide 81

Posted by CowboyNeal from the time-to-make-the-chips dept.
An anonymous reader writes "X-bit labs have posted an interesting article on manufacturing technologies used in the semiconductor industry. Good reading if you want to get a really indepth idea of technologies used for semiconductor manufacturing by IBM, Intel, AMD, and others."
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  • Nano-tube technology and it's application: (Score:5, Interesting)

    by antispamist ( 653732 ) on Friday May 23, 2003 @02:17AM (#6021983) Homepage Journal
    Can carbon nanotube be used in CPU production? From what I understand some are conductive with low radiation and others are excellent insulators.

    The article talks about "spontaneous electron movement from the negatively charged silicon substrate of the channel to the positively charged gate."

    I guess I am just curious as I recently wrote a paper on their applications and I would like to hear from someone a little more technically knowledgable than me. Anyone have any real knowledge or some *easy* links they could share?

    • Re:Nano-tube technology and it's application: (Score:5, Informative)

      by Wakkow ( 52585 ) * on Friday May 23, 2003 @03:21AM (#6022152) Homepage
      I'm not sure I can answer your question, but I want to clarify something. I found this on google: diagram of a mosfet transistor [colorado.edu].

      Here's a simplified explanation. Think of a switch with source at one terminal and drain on the other. When sitting without a voltage on the gate, the source and drain are not connected. When the switch is turned on (ie. gate high), electrons are allowed through the pathway created.

      Anyways, the yellow in the diagram is an insulator. The switching is all done without touching the doped silicon connecting the source and the drain. My point is that the silicon needs to be there. It's integral to how the switching works. I don't know anything about nano-tubes but it cannot replace the silicon unless it can act like a semiconductor (both as a conductor and insulator depending on temp, etc). Perhaps it could replace the SiO2 currently used as the insulating layer but no matter what, the smaller the channels get, the more the electrons are going to want to jump..

      Anyone that knows more about SOI want to comment?
      • Well, the idea of using carbon nanotubes as transistors uses a completely different transistor model than a mosfet. The conductance of CNTs come about due to their orientation (imagine a plane of graphite rolled up - there are many ways to make the ends meet, akin to the steepness of a circular staircase). A few orientations are conducting, the rest are insulating.

        Semiconducting CNTs occur when you put a twist on the CNT - i don't know the mechanism for that nor the theory behind it, but it is unrelated
      • there are thousands of different types of transistors, most of which do not use silicon as the semiconductor, most of which do not resemble a MOSFET, or even a FET at all.

        silicon, and even electrons, are not critical to the operation of all transistors.

    • Re:Nano-tube technology and it's application: (Score:2, Informative)

      by Anonymous Coward
      They aren't currently used in CPU production, but IBM has developed a "Carbon NanoTube Field Effect Transistor" (CNTFET) which they seem to think will replace silicon. Look up "carbon nanotube FET" on google for links.

    • Re:Nano-tube technology and it's application: (Score:1, Informative)

      by Anonymous Coward
      Carbon nanotubes are still very much in the experimental phase. While there are a lot of uses in which they may be useful, like as interconnects on ICs, the technology for mass manufacturing of nanotubes still does not exist.

      I believe they can only be grown at the moment on AFM tips, or at least that is the only way they can really test them at the moment.
      • Carbon nanotubes can be mass produced. The problem is that modern production techniques are not selective, so the result is a jumble of nanotubes, some of which possess the desired electrical properties and many of which do not. The challenge then becomes removing the undesirable nanotubes and then organizing the remaining nanotubes into electrical circuits. Researchers are making great strides in removing the undesired nanotubes, but organizing those that remain is much more difficult.

        On a small scale t

  • woah (Score:5, Funny)

    by ergonal ( 609484 ) on Friday May 23, 2003 @02:17AM (#6021985)
    Wow, I'd like to say sorry to whoever's member is shown on the last page [xbitlabs.com]! That's TINY man!
    • Yeah I noticed that too. It's crazy. Just wait until it gets turned on... and the current will start to flow from source to drain. Just don't turn it on too high, or it will blow.

  • check out the comparison b/c transistor and virus (Score:5, Insightful)

    by lingqi ( 577227 ) on Friday May 23, 2003 @02:19AM (#6021991) Journal
    between the transistor and an influenza (closely related to SARS) virus, no less.

    I don't think it shows the smallness of the transistor as much as I suddenly realized how much further we have to go before hitting biological complexity.

    the surface of the virus has crazy number of protein receptors that allows it to latch onto only the proper cells, and inside a strand of genetic material that contains thousands, if not millions of ACGT pairs - which puts information density of our most hardcore RAM at a great shame. Actually there are probably other stuff inside, but IANAVirologist.

    Looooong road ahead...

    side note: I don't think the gearheads are so obsessed about the manufacturing process for cars, nor the martha-stuart followers the manufacturing process for triple flower-pattern guest-only bath towels, why are geeks sooooo into the photolithography process?

    Anybody wants to offer an explanation?

    • Re:check out the comparison b/c transistor and vir (Score:2, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward
      and inside a strand of genetic material that contains thousands, if not millions of ACGT pairs

      Actually it's 1501 base pairs (so 3002 bits of information) in one strain of the Influenza B [nih.gov] virus.
    • "... ACGT pairs - which puts information density of our most hardcore RAM at a great shame."

      Perhaps; but we can write and rewrite to our "most hardcore RAM" much faster than genetic information in ACGT pairs can mutate.

    • Re:check out the comparison b/c transistor and vir (Score:4, Informative)

      by alannon ( 54117 ) on Friday May 23, 2003 @02:55AM (#6022090)
      My guess is that no other industry in the world has the pace of tangible progress as microprocessors (except perhaps magnetic storage). Look back 30 years. Microprocessors were still in their infancy. The product of microprocessors have gotten 10's of thousands of times more powerful. Automobile manufacturing was, however, much as it still is today. The vast majority of textiles manufacturing is similarly unchanged in the last 30 years. History has demonstrated, though, that any fundamentally new technology goes through a very rapid period of development in a relatively short period of time. Eventually, all technologies level off in their pace of development.
    • Because geeks are attracted to that which is complex, and have a fundamental desire to understand the "how" of things. As a geek who also works on cars, I am interested in the manufacturing process for cars - but as a poster below noted, that doesn't change anywhere near as fast. Once I learned it, I stopped being as interested in it.

      Besides, photolithography is hella cool.

  • etching (Score:5, Interesting)

    by romit_icarus ( 613431 ) on Friday May 23, 2003 @03:02AM (#6022106) Journal
    I used to be part of the surface physics research community that looked into how to etch more finer than we currently do so. Saw this so I thought I'd add the little I learnt there.

    Conventional etching uses plasma. Plasma is a soup of charged particles of energy of the order of a kev (1000 electron volts). It's use is mostly dictated by the fact that we understand how to create it quite well, rather than in our understanding of what is/are the consituents of plasma that actually effect the etching action.

    What is found that the etching process sensitive to the charge element, to the quantum state of the incident ions, to its energy, to the angle of incidence. And of course this is purely from the beam side, from the surface point of view there are a lot more variables...

    Did you know that the molecular process that does etching is very similar to that that creates a radio blackout in the space shuttle while reentry? Somewhat cool

    • what you're talking about is actually called sputtering, in that high energy particles are used to remove surface attoms. it is not the commonly used definition, but nevertheless, it is the correct definition for sputtering. you're more likely to hear of sputtering as a surface deposition process.

      etching for silicon is more likely to done with a chemical etch (pirhanna sol'n, HF, etc.) than a physical one.

      • Re:etching (Score:3, Informative)

        by Bender_ ( 179208 )
        etching for silicon is more likely to done with a chemical etch (pirhanna sol'n, HF, etc.) than a physical one.

        Boy, thats 70ies stuff. Today, wet processing is avoided as much as it is possible. But you are right in one point, purely physical etching is not used frequently. However there are combined physical/chemical methods. Do a websearch on Reactive Ion Etching, Plasma Etching etc.

  • Don't tell me /.ers are busy reading the article...
  • Seriously, this is one of the best semiconductor physics sites I've ever seen. Informative too.

    http://www.britneyspears.ac/lasers.htm
  • My knowledge in this field could probably fit in one of these new transitor channels, but I was wondering:

    Could the Tri-Gate transitor be a major boon to producing M of N gates with hysterisis? The asynchonous logic proponents would love this. I'm thinking you would might need more layers of interconnects.

    Anybody ideas?

  • holy poorly written batman! (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Oo.et.oO ( 6530 ) on Friday May 23, 2003 @11:19AM (#6024630)
    this is THE most poorly written article i've actually tried to read on the web in years.

    "Besides, the characteristics of the channel become more predictable, while the transistor itself - more robust to various errors, like those provoked by space particles that may get into the channel and ionize it."

    i'm not even going to get into the english, which quite frankly is horrid. "robust to errors"? "space particles" (yes i know what he's trying to say)? "ionize it"? ionize the channel? (yes again, i understand he means the carriers, but that's not what happens)

    most of his information is unsubstantiated at best. There are no references nor citations. Most of it seems somewhat accurate but only because i understand what they were TRYING to say. If i didn't know about fab tech to begin with i would have been very misled.

    If you want to know about semiconductor fabrication technology, do yourself a favor and borrow a textbook from your EE budies, then read up in journals.
    • this is THE most poorly written article i've actually tried to read on the web in years.

      I take it you don't read many articles on the web... :D

      Anyway I agree the article is not really well written and the English is horrible, but it does give a nice, though very simplified, overview of some of the key problems of semiconductor processing and what various companies are doing to overcome them.

      Being completely technically accurate for such an article is quite difficult. For example, when discussing

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