Canterwood Motherboards Refined 74
YingYang writes "With Intel's i875P (otherwise known as Canterwood) chipset launch a couple of
weeks ago, we were shown what an 800MHz System Bus can do for performance of the
Pentium 4. At the time however, there were few Taiwanese OEM motherboards out and test-beds used to showcase the new chipset and throttled-up P4, were based on Intel designed motherboards. Now however, the Canterwoods are beginning to flow out of Taiwan and vendors like
Abit and Asus have put together boards with a ton of integrated features and performance, that reminds us of the days of the 'BX,' when Intel chipsets were the only way to fly. Check out
this Abit/Asus Canterwood head to head comparison at HotHardware."
Is this worth the price? (Score:1, Interesting)
Need to create a mySQL table [webcalc.net]?
Re:Is this worth the price? (Score:2)
Re:Is this worth the price? (Score:5, Insightful)
This ignorant statement gets repeated (With, of course, ever-increasing frame rates plugged into it) so often that I feel compelled to blow it away here before it gets voted up by some mod bastards.
The "fps" rating is an average. As the number of polygons and lights in a scene changes over time, so does the time to render a frame. You might have 150fps average but get, say, 20 fps when you walk into a big open room and find eight or nine people blowing each other away with assorted lighting effects and so on occurring.
Also, more bandwidth means you can sustain higher fill rates which in turn means you can run higher resolutions. While this is much less of an issue now between CPU and video card because of onboard T&L which we have enjoyed greatly since nvidia brought it to PC gaming with the GeForce 256, pushing textures still depends on bus bandwidth. Anything memory-intensive does as well, so doing video encoding (a much more common practice than you think; witness all the DVD copy software out there) is highly dependent on memory bandwidth. Since intel is not using an integrated memory controller, this makes a big difference. AMD doesn't need as much FSB speed in the Athlon 64 and Opteron as intel needs in P4, because they have an integrated memory controller.
Re:Is this worth the price? (Score:1)
Re:Is this worth the price? (Score:2)
If you are not pushing your graphics card, then you are not qualified to speak on this subject.
Side mount IDE connectors (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Side mount IDE connectors (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Side mount IDE connectors (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Side mount IDE connectors (Score:1, Informative)
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this is "the" ddr chip. (Score:5, Interesting)
VIA's chips (Score:4, Interesting)
Now that the issues are settled though, you can expect to see more competition from VIA's new P4 chipset that will support 800Mhz FSB CPU's.
Will Intel ever go away? (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Will Intel ever go away? (Score:5, Interesting)
competition (Score:5, Interesting)
One guy who got deservedly lambasted on Usenet years ago said, "I like having AMD and Cyrix around, since they keep Intel's prices down for me." AMD and Cyrix aren't in the business so others can buy Intel's chips more cheaply. For all of our innovation, we're in a really STUPID industry, because for practically its entire history, computing has simply moved from one monopoly to another. From IBM to Microsoft, and now it's apparent that Microsoft is on the wane, because Intel is emerging as the One Dominator. Only for intervals where one monopoly is falling and another rising do we have real competition. I know it's been Wintel for over a decade, but really Microsoft has been in the driver's seat. That's changing, right now.
Re:competition (Score:1)
Re:Will Intel ever go away? (Score:4, Interesting)
-the av
No way... (Score:1)
Springdale 865 Chipset (Score:5, Informative)
"In many respects, the 875P is identical to Intel's forthcoming Springdale chipset, which will launch next month for the mainstream PC market. Both have an 800MHz FSB and offer support for dual-channel DDR400 memory, Serial ATA, AGP 8X, Gigabit Ethernet, and Intel's own Hyper-Threading technology. In fact, both chipsets are manufactured using the same
Re:WHERE??? (Score:2)
MSI Motherboard with 865PE Chipset $105
Re:Springdale 865 Chipset (Score:1)
"In addition to delivering high performance microprocessors, Intel will introduce two chipsets, codenamed Springdale and Canterwood, during the first half of the year. These new chipsets are designed to deliver a balanced platform with innovative features valued by home and office PC users. The Canterwood chipset will support Hyper-Threading Technology and have new features such as dual channel DDR400 memory support, a fast 800 MHz system bus, AGP8X and integrated Serial
watch out AMD (Score:5, Interesting)
The 3.0 GHz P4 with 200 MHz FSB and dual channel DDR400 should handily beat the Athlon XP 3200+, and it will likely be priced less initially since Intel expects to introduce a 3.2 GHz part at the same time. That part will have a large performance margin over anything AMD has or will introduce this year.
I don't think they will get this technology into the Xeons soon enough to fight off Opteron, though, or even to take the performance lead for x86 servers.
BX chipset (Score:2, Informative)
Intel's BX chipset was for the PII but works on the PIII as well. I wonder if more PII or PIII processors were mated with this chipset over the years? I've got four BX chipset boards now (one Intel, one Tyan and two Asus) running processors from PIII 850 Coppermine to 1.3 Gig Tualatin Celerons.
Intel designed motherboard? (Score:5, Interesting)
Contrast this to the Intel boards, however. They were soo bloody afraid of someone running the CPU faster than the spec, that they tended to not handle the additional voltages or clock multipliers. Intel designed motherboard is not an asset in my book.
As for the chipset itself, it will be some time before it proves it's salt. I got burned badly with the i840 chipset debacle and stranded with the GX chipset. The i840 was what drove me to AMD on the workstation side.
Re:Intel designed motherboard? (Score:2)
Re:Intel designed motherboard? (Score:2, Interesting)
Hello,
It's important to keep in mind that just like automobile manufacturers, motherboard manufacturers make products targeted at different markets.
Just as automobile enthusiasts [nhra.org] replace stock carburetors and transmissions with performance parts, overbore engines, modify ECUs and so forth, computer enthusiasts [hardocp.com] tweak their BIOSes, replace stock heatsinks with watercooling, use rounded cables, et cetera.
But for the overwhelming majority of automobile or computer users out there, they get by just
Not just FSB performance (Score:4, Interesting)
AGP was brought around to provide faster access to the CPU/northbridge than PCI.
AMDs HyperTransport technology (which my motherboard has) widens the Bus paths between the south bridge and north bridge to 4 bits (from a 1 bit path and hypertransport can scale to 64 bit wide paths!). now all of my PCI, IDE, SATA, Onboard Audio paths are 4 bit wide capable of going at almost 800 mb/sec
This is what is going to put Intel back as the performance market leader... until that hypertransport starts getting into the 8 and 16 bit wide bus pathways....
Re:Not just FSB performance (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Not just FSB performance (Score:1)
However,
I would just remove that whole SiS R658 line from the printout. When It first came out I ran around trying to find when I'd beable to expect motherboard with them... 11 months later and still no motherboard manufacturer produces a retail board with them??? VaporHype.
Wrong, wrong, and wrong (Score:2)
Nope.
your PCI bus is wider.
Nope; it's still 32 bit, 33 MHz.
most current technology has a limit of only transfering around ~120 mb/sec across the whole PCI bus (which included the IDE channels).
While 32/33 PCI is limited to ~120MB/s, IDE hasn't been on the PCI bus for several years.
AMDs HyperTransport technology (which my motherboard has) widens the Bus paths between the south bridge and north bridge to 4 bits (from a 1 bit path...
IIRC, most
Re:Wrong, wrong, and wrong (Score:1)
heh, i got how all that connects together confused.
if i remember correctly, the IDE, PCI, SATA, USB and other bus paths connect to the south bridge. if the south/north bridge link isnt very fast, that puts a hurt on the whole system.
Some Northbridges have USB and Network interfaces connected directly to it, along with the RAM interface and AGP interfaces.
As for the 1,2,4,8, etc bit comment, although the link may be 16 bits w
Does Abit still have fake ECC support? (Score:2)
Zoom... (Score:2, Funny)
And only 10x more power then 2% of the users can figure out what to do with.
On the other hand, it's almost enough to actually run XML based Java applications.
Off topic grammar rant (Score:1)
It's great, that technology allows us all to communicate, with one another, but, it's a trajedy, the more trafficked websites, don't seem to care enough, to perform even basic grammatical editing, before publishing a story.
Grrr.
Waste of time (Score:1)
But finally PC's will largely be as fast as the processor and can keep up with it or maybe even give it a run for it's money.
Hopefully now programmers when converting to 64bit code w
Re:Waste of time (Score:1)
I currently have a PC with a via chipset and i've had nothing but problems with it. I'm only
Try Nvidia Nforce2 you'll never look back (Score:1)
The only other enhancement I did now is putting in a 120 Gig WD Caviar Special Edition with the 8mb buffer which is supposed to outclass 10k SCSI drives.
I can afford Intel but I'll support diversity in the industry and stick with AMD processors. It's cheaper in the long run becuase t