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First Certified DivX/DVD Player Released 272

An anonymous reader writes "According to this article, a company named KiSS Technology announced at CeBit that they are releasing the first certified DivX DVD players, the DP-450 and DP-500! They are supposed to be able to playback ALL versions of DivX content and digital rights management. I'm completely stoked on this, I would buy one of these in a snap. This could make the purchase of dvd burners slow down in my opinion." (And Yes, it plays Ogg Vorbis, too.) Ebay imports, anyone?
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First Certified DivX/DVD Player Released

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  • Old News (Score:5, Funny)

    by disneyfan1313 ( 138976 ) on Saturday March 29, 2003 @02:34PM (#5622951)
    I mean .. Come on.. Circuit City tried this years ago.. Silly Slashdot


  • Yeah. Wicked. (Score:3, Insightful)

    by torpor ( 458 ) <ibisum@gm a i l . com> on Saturday March 29, 2003 @02:35PM (#5622958) Homepage Journal
    Nothing like being sold something you could build yourself in a few hours...
    • Re:Yeah. Wicked. (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Mattsson ( 105422 ) on Saturday March 29, 2003 @04:12PM (#5623392) Journal
      Yeah... But then you'd have a loud computer standing next to your tv and have a kludgy interface that probably would make you have a keyboard there too.
      Not to speak about boot time, shutdown time, fsck time, etc.
      It's the same as the difference between using your computer as a dvd player/cd player vs using a dedicated dvd player to watch your dvd's and play your music cd's in your livingroom.

      I haven't read the article, but I'll wager that it doesn't have a ethernetport though...
      That would be the major problem with this player. That you have to burn all your movies to cd before watching it.
      I'd love to have one of these that was also capable of playing movies and mp3's over the network from my fileserver... :/
      Think about it.
      Sit in your sofa, turn it on using your remote, 4 seconds later your browsing through your movie collection, 10 seconds after turning it on you start viewing your recently downloaded Hikaru no Go episode. =)

      You probably could do something like that using a "Linux in BIOS-eeprom" installation (to get fast boot times) and autoload some kind of special software that let you use a remote to browse the local harddrive or mounted nfs or smb shares.
      But I'll bet that doing this would take more than a few hours *and* probably cost more than the Kiss player.
      There are only a few select mainboards that work with the eeprom loaded linux, so you'd probably have to buy some new hardware to build a machine like that.
      And it would probably not be fan-less or harddrive free either. (Thus not being quiet enough to run while listening to music)

      Or you could get a X-box, chiping it and then install that mediaplayer thingie...
      But that's also expensive and loud. (The X-box makes a terrible racket compared to, say, a dvd-player)
      • A compromise might be Sigma Designs REALmagic XCard [] it's a 'multimedia playback card' - you can watch it on your PC if you like, but you don't have to. The point is to watch stuff on the tv. It can play DVD's, Divx, Mpeg4, Mpeg3,mpeg2, mpeg1. For outputs it has S/PDIF, S-Video, RGB, VGA and Composite. You run a player on the computer which sends the movie to the card, ie, you are not sending your computer picture, but the movie directly, so you can use your computer for something else while its playing. In
      • But then you'd have a loud computer standing next to your tv and have a kludgy interface that probably would make you have a keyboard there too.

        I've always felt that TVs look terrible. Blurry and icky, shadowing...bleh. DVDs on the computer monitor, that's the way to go. Then I have my big leather computer chair with maybe some snacks...mmm....
    • A year ago I would've bought one of these in a snap. Now I have an Athlon 1200 with 200gb of storage, canopus firewire transcoder, DVD-ROM drive, networked to my main server.

      Oh yes, and it has a nice vacuum florescent display on the front to show me stuff as it's performing different media tasks, DIVX, DVD, MP3, etc. With a logitech cordless desktop for a remote control, it's great!

      Aside from portability (which doesn't really matter for me), I can't think of any other advantages of the KISS unit. A che
  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 29, 2003 @02:36PM (#5622962)
    Why? Why do you need a player that plays DivX movies when the main thing people use DivX for is to rip DVDs and trade them? Are you going to rip your own DVDs and watch them in a crappier format?
    • Re:Ok, I'll bite. (Score:5, Insightful)

      by igotmybfg ( 525391 ) on Saturday March 29, 2003 @02:41PM (#5623000) Homepage
      No. You'll download movies in DivX format, burn them onto CDR, and play those on this uber-player.
      • ding ding ding, we have a winner.
      • by Anonymous Coward
        But that's illegal!
        • Re:Ok, I'll bite. (Score:3, Insightful)

          by Flounder ( 42112 )
          So is that MP3 player you use to play the downloaded music. What's your point?
      • Re:Ok, I'll bite. (Score:2, Interesting)

        by gleam ( 19528 )
        except that the "scene" releases are now almost 95% of the time (or more) in xvid, not divx3. So, even though they can now do divx3, they're still behind the times. Unless they can come out with a quick firmware flash that will let it do xvid also, I'm not planning on touching it.

        I'm also curious as to how many types of subtitles it supports. If it's just a linux box running mplayer, that'll be fine. Especially if I can ssh into it and muck with the config files.

        Bonus points if I can play divx/xvid fr
        • It already played DivX 5.0, 4.0, XViD (ISO MPEG-4). The DivX 3.11 ;) support was just recently added.

          I'm not sure what the player speaks over Ethernet.

    • um

      maybe so you can watch those divx rips on a tv instead of your computer.

      and why buy something you can build?

      for the simple reason of NOT having to build it.
    • In short, yes. DVDs take up lots of space; being able to reduce that is good. Another reason is that DVDs go bad. And yet another is for people who live in multiple places.

      However, I think a HD is less hassle than a bunch of DVDs, and almost as cheap.

      • I know you're new to this whole 'DVD recolution' thing, but if you look closely you'll see that DVDs take up just as much room as CDs.

        And if your DVD goes bad, a DivX/Xvid copy will not be of much consolation. I know it wouldn't for me.
    • Re:Ok, I'll bite. (Score:5, Insightful)

      by jilles ( 20976 ) on Saturday March 29, 2003 @03:04PM (#5623123) Homepage
      In addition to the obvious convenience for e.g. Kazaa users, one could use this as a cheap alternative to creating dvd's from your homemovies. Just convert your homemovies to divx, burn them on a cheap cdr (as opposed to still very expensive dvdrs) and you have nice cheap good quality video that you can watch on your vcr.

      Second idea: cd companies could burn a divx video on along with the sound on a multisession cd. Should play just fine in any cd player and owners of PCs/Macs/Whatever or this cool device get a little extra.

      There's plenty of legal uses for this device. I want one even though I don't own a video camera :-).
      • I could honestly see this type of player create a new marketplace niche if they released a line of decent digital camcorders that actually saved in DivX format natively.

        Right now, DV camcorders are great - but it seems like most people spend a lot of time doing format conversions on their PC before they get to their final product.

        DivX would be a pretty good default for a relatively space-saving format - assuming the compatibility on the set-top player end of things. Right now, it really sucks to download
    • by timothy ( 36799 )
      I have squashed into divx a few of my favorite movies for the same reason that I've squashed a lot of my CDs into ogg files: because it's easier to access them that way.

      If I had an infinite hard drive and a large television, I might want a bit-for-bit copy; since I'm more likely to use a PC monitor to watch movies, and since even my largest hard drive would only hold a handful of movies at DVD-size, I compress. I've never downloaded warezed movies, nor do I put mine of a big anon. ftp site ;)

      But when I fe
      • There's another convenience: family. My family would kill me if I tried to watch Airplane! on the big screen (they absolutely HATE the movie), but I can watch it from a handy dandy DivX file. Thank god.
    • Ok, I'll bite. (Score:3, Insightful)

      by duggy_92127 ( 165859 )

      Why do you need a player that plays DivX movies when the main thing people use DivX for is to rip DVDs and trade them?

      Even right there in your own question, the answer is obvious. Say I've ripped my DVDs and traded them with somebody. I'd like to play the ones I got in return, wouldn't I?

      I'll give you another scenario. I rip recordings off my TiVo, encode them to DivX, and store them in a much smaller form on my file server. It would be great to have a device to play these back again on the TV, instea

    • VHS (Score:3, Insightful)

      by KalvinB ( 205500 )
      I have a number of VHS tapes that I'd like to get into digital format. It'd be nice to beable to cram of few of them onto a single DVD since VHS quality isn't really that great anyway.

    • I haven't had my SVHS deck plugged in for ages, because I use one of my computers for recording. 45 minutes of much-better-than-SVHS video per CDR, with no jamming, tearing, dropouts, tape stretch, head alignment problems, dirty heads, etc.

      None of my 800 (or thereabouts) CDs of DiVX were downloaded from the net. They're all just capped and archived from regular broadcasts, my old VHS tapes, and satellite.

      I suppose you could use it to mail copies of movies to friends who are too far away to borrow the

  • "This could make the purchase of dvd burners slow down in my opinion."

    Why? You need a burner to make the DivX DVD, don't you?
  • cebit == european (Score:2, Insightful)

    by igotmybfg ( 525391 )
    good thing that it's not coming out in US, too, or the company that produces it (KiSS Technologies) would be sued out of existence.
  • Why not Xbox (Score:3, Insightful)

    by sardonic2 ( 576701 ) on Saturday March 29, 2003 @02:38PM (#5622978) Homepage
    I have a nice little black box that sits on my desk next to me that does DivX playback, Ogg, MP3. You name it. DVD playback works also. I can run MAME on it, and play console games from tons of different consoles including Xbox. Not to mention the ability to run Linux, doubt that dvd player can do that.
    • A modded X-box is probably more expensive and it is not exactly the most quite piece of electronics in your home.
      Compared to a cd-player or dvd-player it's *really* loud!
      I have a ps2 and even though it's more quiet than the X-box, I constantly get irritated by the noise of the fan while playing.
      Home electronics should be fanless. Or at least have *really* quiet fans.
      But if you allready *own* a modded x-box, or are going to buy one, then it's probably insane to buy one of these players. =)

      The main downside
  • OH YEAH (Score:3, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 29, 2003 @02:38PM (#5622982)
    Now I can watch all the pr0n I download on a nice bigscreen TV instead of my 19" monitor. Ron Jeremy, here I come!!!
  • OGM support? (Score:2, Interesting)

    by redhat421 ( 620779 )
    I wonder if it will support playback of "ogm" files? If not, what format should I be using that can handle vorbis VBR audio and subtitles?
  • Oh great. (Score:3, Insightful)

    by I Am The Owl ( 531076 ) on Saturday March 29, 2003 @02:41PM (#5623003) Homepage Journal
    Please, everyone swarm to try and convince me that DivX players will be used to play something other than pirated DVD and VCD recordings. How transparent.
    • Re:Oh great. (Score:4, Insightful)

      by James_Duncan8181 ( 588316 ) on Saturday March 29, 2003 @03:16PM (#5623178) Homepage
      Why would I need a DivX player to play a VCD? It is already on a CD and I can't improve the quality by converting it to DivX, it would just be wasting cycles and a CD-R.
    • Re:Oh great. (Score:2, Insightful)

      by eXtro ( 258933 )
      98% of the use will be for illegal content. I'd like to be able to burn an hour or so of video from a digital camcorder. I use a DVD-R right now but to be honest DivX is good enough for most things.

      The shortcoming of this is that while I can record stuff with DivX on a CD-R most people won't have a similar machine, because of this sharing is less possible.

      Personally, I wouldn't use it for pirated movies, if I like it I either buy it or rent it through NetFlix.
    • by Anonymous Coward
      uh, why do we have to convince you?

      Wanna know why I owned a dual-deck tape player in high school?
    • Fair use (Score:4, Interesting)

      by gad_zuki! ( 70830 ) on Saturday March 29, 2003 @05:52PM (#5623700)
      How about those of us who record shows via a capture card and end up compressing them into divx? I dont even have a VCR anymore, but its essentially the same deal. Unless you consider that "piracy" too.

      Just because its digital and easier to share doesn't mean its illegal or should be made illegal.

      Ideally, I'd like to converge my Tivo/PC/DVD player into something simple and usable and this device is a step in the right direction.

      I'm sure the device will be used for copyright infringment somehow, but it does have legitimate uses. Not to mention just about ANY video device can be used for CI.
  • by madsdyd ( 228464 ) on Saturday March 29, 2003 @02:42PM (#5623007)
    Company homepage is here [].

    One of my collegaues have actually ordered one. It is based on an arm processor running uLinux & IIRC you can actually flash the firmware youself, and it is running some sort of mplayer. (AFAIK, the software is somewhere to be found on their homepage.

    The FAQ is
    here [].

    And, a homepage for kissdvd (the player?) - you need flash []. So, that will probably survive a looong time...

    Mads Bondo Dydensborg
  • Want a review? (Score:5, Informative)

    by finity ( 535067 ) on Saturday March 29, 2003 @02:44PM (#5623026) Homepage Journal
    Tom's Hardware Review []
    Slashdot article refering to this review []

    Yes, this article minus the "We're releasing it now" was posted on /. a while ago.

  • *Hears the sound of a thousand geeks screaming with joy*

    The question is, with dvd burners, can this bad boy play a DVD burned full of ogg/mp3s? Can it play DVD full of DivX movies? I can fit between 5-6 movies or more on a DVD.
  • could someone buy me one ?, pretty please ?
  • by egrinake ( 308662 ) <erikg AT codepoet DOT no> on Saturday March 29, 2003 @02:50PM (#5623045)

    I don't know too much about this specific player, but I bought my first DVD player from KiSS about three years ago - a cheap player, around $200, which also played mp3s, vcd and svcd. And it is probably the worst DVD player I have ever used.

    The DVD image and audio quality was very, very bad (jerky playback, unclear image, lots of jitter etc), and it wouldn't even play half of the VCDs I tried. It also had a very "plastic" feel to it, and I suspect it used a standard IDE DVD ROM with some very cheap chips for playback.

    This new player may be good, but after my experiences with their earlier products I would approach this one with caution.

    • My Apex AD-5131 also has a standard IDE DVD-ROM drive, and a rather plastic feel to it. Yet, it plays damn near everything I throw at it (save DivX, natch :) flawlessly. Can't always judge a book by its cover.
  • DivX SVCD? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Viral Fly-by ( 662186 ) <> on Saturday March 29, 2003 @02:54PM (#5623067) Homepage
    Considering even the cheapest PoS DVD player that redneck billy bob bought at Wal-Mart will play both VCDs and SVCDs that are burned on plain ordinary CD-Rs using any run-of-the-mill burner found in your HP Desktop that redneck billy bob also bought at Wal-Mart, the real question is:

    Why? Why need support to play DivX format in a DVD player?

    Is the DivX format any better quality than SVCD? Using standard CD-Rs, you are going to use close to the same amount of discs to get the same amount of video at the same quality.

    DivX may have better audio than SVCD...but nothing will ever provide the DD 5.1, DTS, and 6.1(7.1???) sound quality of real DVDs.
    • Re:DivX SVCD? (Score:3, Informative)

      by freeweed ( 309734 )
      Recent DivX versions are getting closer to SVCD quality. Sadly, not quite there yet. As for why?

      Hmm.. 1 cd for almost any decent DivX rip. 2, 3, and even 4 cds for even the shortest movie encoded using SVCD. Not only do you save on cds (and the associated storage space), but you don't have to change discs midway into a movie (several times in some cases). Sucks if you don't have a changer, I'd imagine.

      Oh, and as for every DVD player playing VCD/SVCD.. those claims are way overstated. AFAIK no Toshiba
      • > I won't even go into the low end stuff like Samsung

        Your insight is astounding. Those "low end" brands were the pioneers of (S)VCD, offering support way before the namebrand vendors were even aware of the market. Even today most of the high-end gear that's older than a few months doesn't support it.
  • Scan [] have had loads of offers of KiSS players in the recent past, here in the UK.
    I can't quite remember if they were KiSS players per se or Scan ones, manufactured by KiSS.
    Either way, I bet that these new players will be available there soon...

  • With all these Divx players coming out, I hope that there will still be a market for OGG/Theora (which, if you aren't already in the loop, is essentially VP3 [] video plus Vorbis audio in a new file format that is MUCH more flexible than AVI) when it's released.
  • by -tji ( 139690 ) on Saturday March 29, 2003 @03:04PM (#5623122) Journal

    I don't know about divx.. the thing that is very interesting to me is the network port. So, I can theoretically access my Linux file server, which has my MiniDV movies, exported to DVD VOB format. Also, as part of my creation process, I can watch them over the network, rather than burning DVD's as tests. And, once I'm done, I can have an easily accessed home movie archive via the network server.

    It could also access my MP3 library on that Linux file server.. Could be a nice, small, quiet media server to replace most of my HTPC (Home Theater PC) functionality (everything except the HDTV receiver/recorder).
  • from scan [] in the UK if you fancy it. £257 equals about USD $400 + shipping.

    So, not cheap, but if the guy's gotta have it...

  • by Maxarlatan ( 627141 ) on Saturday March 29, 2003 @03:11PM (#5623154) Homepage
    FWIW, they are absolutely not the first to produce these. Several companies has been OEM'ing these in China using the same Sigma 8500 decoder for months. Some answers to questions: 1. It it firmware upgradeable? Yes. 2. Region Codes? These units are 'all code' out of the box. Is this illegal? 'Kindof' 3. Can it play a DVD full of mp3's. divx movies etc? Yes. 4. Why this and not some crap from Walmart? Well, this is progressive scan, for one thing. (In built in the Sigma) 5. Can I send you one? No :)
  • Links, please (Score:3, Informative)

    by forged ( 206127 ) on Saturday March 29, 2003 @03:11PM (#5623156) Homepage Journal
    KiSS Technology [] DP-450 [] and DP-500 []. There are even efforts underway [] to dezone the 450 and 500.
  • I've had one on order for almost two weeks and the delivery date is slipping a day per day. Has anyone here actually got one?

  • by EddydaSquige ( 552178 ) <jmb@ g o c o u g> on Saturday March 29, 2003 @03:22PM (#5623204) Homepage
    This could make the purchase of dvd burners slow down in my opinion.

    Really? I can't say that I've seen too many people wanting a DVD burner to pirate DVD's. The things are so cheap (the DVD's, not the burners) that when you take into account the time it takes to rip the thing, well it's like that wise old saying, 'Linux is cheap if your time is worth nothing'.

  • When I read the article I was put off a bit by the following part: ..fully support digital rights management technology... Does anyone of you guys know more about this DivX DRM technology? It does not sound like the player will be able to circumvent this technology but more like it will abide by the set restrictions.

    Any opinions? - thanks!
  • I have one (Score:5, Informative)

    by ianezz ( 31449 ) on Saturday March 29, 2003 @03:28PM (#5623229) Homepage
    I purchased one three weeks ago (a KiSS DP-450), but AFAIK it has been on the european market since late 2002.

    Basically, the DP-450 it is a VCR-sized box with a 150Mhz StrongARM running Linux 2.4.x + busybox + custom software + custom hardware helping MPEG2 and MPEG4 decoding + a (Toshiba?) DVD drive + remote control. No ethernet on the DP-450 (but it is there on the DP-500). No fans :-)

    Just insert a CD/DVD and it starts playing what's on it (but press the load button: just pushing the loading bay is not enough):

    • if it's a DVD, well, it plays the DVD, just like every other DVD player
    • if it's a CD full of MP3/OGG files, it is mounted and you can browse the content with the remote control and play the file. Of course it is really Linux under the hood, so it understands also symlinks. Apparently it ignores ID3 tags and similars. No playlists. No fast-forward/rewind while playing.
    • if it's a CD full of JPEG images, is starts a full-screen slideshow (and you can navigate, zoom and rotate with the remote control). Not exactly fast if your average image is 1MB, but acceptable.
    • if it's a CD with DivX files on it, you can browse the content, select and play

    Briefly said: this is an MPEG2 and MPEG4 player (hence DivX 4 and 5; old DivX 3 is out of question), and as of now just MPEG4 Simple Profile features are supported (thus it won't play everything out there, as of now: be warned).

    Image quality is nice, but not excellent (blacks aren't so... black). Firmware upgrades on the DP-450 are performed by downlowading an iso image (of a couple of megabytes) from the manifacturer website, and then booting the player with it.

    All in all, a nice piece of hardware, easy to use, somewhat expensive (I purchased mine for 400 Euros). But it sits there beside your TV set and it just works.

    • Re:I have one (Score:2, Insightful)

      by C32 ( 612993 )
      It uses a realmagic mpeg2/4 decoder chip, the company which I might mention has a history of evil closedness of their drivers and of stealing GPL software (xvid) and passing it off as their own.
      Also, it will never be able to playback advanced profile mpeg4 (a lot of divx 5.02/03 and possibly newer versions of xvid), that's a limitation of the decoder chip.
      Thirdly, given the variety in the divx world, there are several more or less esoteric variant formats like ms-vki-mpeg4v2/3, avi files with subtitles in s
      • Re:I have one (Score:2, Informative)

        by Taurim ( 622805 )
        Wrong !

        It plays DivX 5 / Xvid with GMC (Global Motion Compensation) and DivX subtitles since software release 2.6.3

        The picture quality is far better than any Nvidia or ATI video card with tv-out (tested on my Sony 32" 16/9 TV).

        No problems with all my DivX 4/5 MPEG4 Xvid with CBR or VBR MP3. The cool thing is the ability to keep the original DD 5.1 sound (448 kbits/s) in the DivX.

        We should get DivX 3.11 decoding for the end of April.

        4 month ago there was a lot of bugs in the firmware but today with the
  • n00b stuff (Score:2, Interesting)

    by scubacuda ( 411898 )
    For newbies who ask, "What does this mean to me?"
    • Speed: You can convert a two hour long DVD movie into a high quality DIVX movie within 5 hours.
    • Space: Two hours long of DVD quality fit on a 750MB CD-(R)W
    • Ease of use : Every try to copy a DVD? One-click DVD to DIVX ripping is a lot easier
      than having to make VCDs []. (Even newbie guides [] can be a little cumbersome)
    • Cost : Ever price out DVDRs? They're hella expensive. Compare that to, say, a 100 pack of CDRs after rebate.

    This brings up an interesti

  • Go watch your uncompressed movies, listen to your uncompressed wavs and uncompressed bitmaps. Technology moves forwards, do you seriously expect people to not be interested in using state-of-the-art compression technology? Whether it is for home videos or their l33t DVD rips, you want it smaller, faster and better right? If nothing else you'd want a HDTV DVD using mpeg4 instead of a NTSC/PAL DVD using mpeg2.

    If you go by that twisted logic, Ferraris should be outlawed because they make it much easier to bre
  • Anyone have any links to places in the US to buy a DP-500? Any reviews of the new features (networking, mostly) in the DP-500? I've done some Google searching, and found some good info on the DP-450. I've even seen some stuff on the DP-500, but just from people using it as a (standalone) player.

    I'd like to know what protocol(s) it uses, etc.. Also, the comments from users over the last several months (mostly about the 450 or prerelease 500s) talk about a lot of deficiencies. Since the firmware to supp
    • by Rande ( 255599 ) on Saturday March 29, 2003 @06:32PM (#5623820) Homepage
      It took a couple of weeks for it to arrive, but it finally got to me.

      First thing I did was to make it regionless - Region free Kiss DVD []

      Next, due to lack of the software CD, I had a hard time working out how to get the ethernet port to work - luckily, a nice person on Kiss DVD forum [] pointed out to me that the software was also on the same .iso that is used to update the firmware.

      Once software was installed, and the IP of my windows machine entered into the Kiss DVD setup, I was able to play all of my files that were Divx4,5, Xvid, mp3 etc.

      It requires a windows machine to stream the data through, but if you can share a drive to it eg, samba, then you can share from non-windows platforms.

      In fact, it plays them better than on my PC (Athlon 1600, 1G DDR, GF4-Ti4200).

      So far, the promised Divx3.11 support is not yet with us, but indications are it will be with us in a few weeks. Once it has, it will make the noisy computer beside my TV redundant!

      While I do recommend this to the people who need to be on the leading edge, I wouldn't recommend it to someone who doesn't have a CDburner - though who would buy a Divx player who didn't?? -due to the need for frequent firmware updates.
      • Great, thanks for the info. So what firmware rev is the one with the networking features? (I hear a lot about the 2.60 firmware.. is this it?)

        Your Windows/Samba comment means that it uses SMB for filesharing. Easy enough.

        And thanks for the link to the forums... I had only found the Dutch ones before (these are in English.) Ah... I see 2.6.5 is the version that drives the Ethernet. Gets it's own IP via DHCP...

        Very helpful. I gather you're in the UK. How much did yours cost?
  • by Snaller ( 147050 ) on Saturday March 29, 2003 @07:30PM (#5624010) Journal
    This is not new, you have been able to buy them for a while. And in Denmark the copyright holders of movies are examining wether or not they are able to have the player banned. (I could provide a link, but only in Danish ;)

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