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Real PDA Wristwatch 325

Larry Groebe writes "Just before COMDEX, Fossil announced a new PDA in a wristwatch. Based on the Palm OS, this is nothing less than a complete Palm Pilot on your wrist. See here for features and a picture. This is completely UNLIKE Fossil's *first* attempt at a wrist PDA, which was a hopeless view-only gadget. This new model allows regular Graffiti input and appears to run all Palm programs! At $149, I may be the first in line when it comes out next spring."
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  • by Dugsmyname ( 451987 ) <thegenericgeek@gm a i l.com> on Monday November 18, 2002 @05:22PM (#4700981) Homepage
    I thought the Google headline was a little deceiving...

    "Fossil unveils wrist-worn Palm OS PDA"

    It made me think of Back to the Future and all of the time travel Star Trek episodes!
  • Sounds tempting... but I prefer to not have a palm device. Not having one gives me an excuse for forgetting appointments and such
    • Well DUH. Read the headline, this is a wrist device.

      Sheesh. Talk about not reading the article, now they're not reading the headline before posting!

      -Adam
  • Linux watch (Score:3, Interesting)

    by tsa ( 15680 ) on Monday November 18, 2002 @05:23PM (#4700993) Homepage
    Cool. This brings to mind the Linux watch IBM made some time ago. Does anyone know what's become of that? Is it still in development or was it just a showpiece?
    • Re:Linux watch (Score:3, Interesting)

      by GoRK ( 10018 )
      It was a research project.

      The interesting thing about this watch, though, is that the dragonball ports of ucLinux run on palm already, so this watch with it's (likely dragonball ez) cpu will run linux out of the box.
      • Re:Linux watch (Score:2, Interesting)

        by Nos. ( 179609 )
        I was at our LUG's first annual Expo a week or so ago (www.losurs.org/expo [losurs.org]) and Jim Elliot from IBM was there. He said they are still working on it, but trying to bring the price down. They had hoped to release it for this holiday season, but it won't happen. I think they're now targetting this time next year.
    • It was probably just a project to keep bored engineers at IBM busy. :) I mean, how many people are actually interested in a linux wristwatch?
      • you are sort of right. :)

        IBM wanted to figure out how to put linux in small places. However, what would you rather work on. "Linux on your coffee maker" or "linux on a watch", linux on a watch, has much higher "Cool" factor.
    • Re:Linux watch (Score:5, Informative)

      by spotter ( 5662 ) on Monday November 18, 2002 @05:46PM (#4701278)

      I worked on it 2 summers ago at IBM Research (get paid well to work on cool things, who can ask more).

      It was never meant to be an IBM product (at least from my understanding). It was meant to be a sort of cool "testbed" for all these mini technologies. Such as OLEDs (at the time we had the highest density OLED displays in production on our prototypes), mini linux on the software side and similiarly on the hardware side.

      We were also trying to figure out what cool things we could do with it, such as we had a bluetooth module for it, so we initally had a demo of that that one could switch ones slides via the watch's thumbwheel, (so one's giving a talk, and walking around and just tap the watch to switch slides back and forth). But we were experimenting with different things as well, such as imagine sticking a GPS receiver in your backpack while you are hiking and just use the watch as a display for the GPS, it stores the data in the backpack. Since the OLED display was 640x480 (1bpp) it was fairly detailed.

      doing this also involved getting things like PPP working on the watch (which since I had gcc working on our testbed's that had ethernet (nfs mount w/ nfs swap), meant we could get gcc working on the watch, though wouldn't have been so much fun as testbench was 70-80mhz, while watch ran at something like 17mhz (these numbers might be off)

      We were also doing work on getting the system even smaller than it was (glibc's a hog, a simple fix was getting uClibc working on it, I was then able to take this know how to make a bootable linux floppy that boots directly into a windows terminal services server full screen (basically kernel, X, dhcp, rdesktop all on a single bootable floppy) for a school project).

      That summer there was interest from citizen (They actually made some PR announcmenets) in making a product out of it, but dont know whats happened since in regards to that.

      people in charge of IBM Research wanted to put funding behind the watch to give out samples to U's involved in pervasive devices (I believe CMU and Georgia Tech are big into it) to basically have them see what they can do with these pieces of tech, but dont know what's happened on that either.

    • Cool. This brings to mind the Linux watch IBM made some time ago. Does anyone know what's become of that? Is it still in development or was it just a showpiece?

      The project scope has been temporary moved to Beowulf cluster of such watches - required for military special force teams.

  • Too small... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by gazuga ( 128955 ) on Monday November 18, 2002 @05:23PM (#4701000) Homepage
    I don't even use a PDA, but looking at that picture, it strikes me that maybe this thing is *too* small. How can you input anything? You'd better be good with a stylus...

    --Gaz
    • And type quickly before the batteries run out :)

  • Get me one of these that is Zaurus-like (based on linux) and is also a cell-phone and also has voice-recognition software that works (who wants to tap a stylus on a tiny little watch face??) and THEN I'll really be excited...

    BWCarver
    • Get me one of these that is Zaurus-like (based on linux) and is also a cell-phone and also has voice-recognition software that works [...] THEN I'll really be excited...

      Yeah, can't wait to sit next to you on the train home after a long day...
  • /.'d (Score:5, Funny)

    by cjustus ( 601772 ) on Monday November 18, 2002 @05:24PM (#4701015) Homepage
    I wonder if Fossil's website is powered by one of their watches?
  • by anonymousman77 ( 584651 ) on Monday November 18, 2002 @05:25PM (#4701019)
    I was the dorky guy in your school who had the calculator wristwatch.

    Should I try that again with this thing? After the beatings and the finger pointing? I think not!
  • Redundant (Score:5, Insightful)

    by gadgetboy1 ( 228794 ) on Monday November 18, 2002 @05:25PM (#4701026)
    While it looks cool and all, it may have hit the market be too late. Cell phones and PDA look to be heading for convergence and almost everyone I know carries a cell phone. Does my watch with its much smaller screen really need to be a (Palm) PDA too? Isn't that why its called a "Palm" and "PocketPC" device?
    • Oooh....

      Just think. You'll be able to IR synch your Kyocera 7135 SmartPhone and your Fossil/Palm watch!

      Instant backup, baby! Yeah, yeah, yeah!

    • Unless of course they find a way to integrate the cell phone in there too, perhaps with a Bluetooth earpiece/microphone (Been done, IIRC) and transmitter (Perhaps a small belt clip device with more powerfull batteries?). No more carrying around that little brick - I'd seriously consider it then.

      Soko
  • by GrouchoMarx ( 153170 ) on Monday November 18, 2002 @05:25PM (#4701029) Homepage
    They've got more news [infosync.no] on the new watch, as well as some nice pictures.
  • still fails.. (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Lumpy ( 12016 ) on Monday November 18, 2002 @05:26PM (#4701033) Homepage
    and like all the other pda/pc watches it's missing one crucial feature...

    WATERPROOF!

    Why cant they throw in that small and desperately needed thing? It must be waterproof... so I can wear it swimming,snorkling,in the shower... how about just in the shower/tub without fear of it getting killed?

    why cant they do that?
    • Re:still fails.. (Score:4, Insightful)

      by unicron ( 20286 ) <{ten.tencht} {ta} {norcinu}> on Monday November 18, 2002 @05:32PM (#4701128) Homepage
      Most people don't recognize the difference between "water-resistant" and "water-proof" when they buy a watch. Water-resistant means that it can survive the shower. If your watch is truly water-proof, then odds are it's a dive watch, and you're going to be spending some bucks.
      • Actually, I believe no modern watch claims to be "waterproof", it's always "water resistant to xx meters". This is certainly more accurate, since nothing is truly "waterproof" given enough pressure.

        I am curious, though: Does anyone have a watch purchased in the last 15-20 years that claims to be "waterproof"?

        • waterproof (Score:3, Interesting)

          by sg3000 ( 87992 )
          > Actually, I believe no modern watch claims to be
          >"waterproof", it's always "water resistant to xx meters"

          Rolex Oyster Perpetual watches are designated as "waterproof": From their website [rolex.com]: "An Officially Certified Swiss Chronometer, the Rolex Oyster Perpetual is equipped with a waterproof case, a sapphire crystal and a self-winding movement." Sorry, their site is too annoying to navigate, so I can't give an actual link.

          Urban legend used to say that this was because Rolex trademarked the phrase "waterproof", so everyone else had to use "water resistant." I'm not sure if this is the case (I've never seen them stick TM at the end of the phrase in their literature), but the reason could be that Rolex watches are made a little differently than a regular watch.

          Rolex Oyster watches are cast all in one piece or slug, rather than assembled from multiple pieces. As a result, when the watch is put together, it is basically sealed. The result is rather heavy -- to give you an idea, take off your shoe, attach that to your wrist, and then walk around for a while -- but they're built to last.
          • Interestingly, one of the Oyster watches (I didn't take note of which one, you're right that site is very annoying): "Waterproof to 100 metres/330 feet, all models are fitted with a crystal crafted from a solid block of synthetic sapphire that is virtually scratchproof."

            100 meters is no better than a decent quality casio.

            On the other hand, the "Submariner" is "waterproof" to 300 meters or 1000 feet. That's more impressive. That's a lot pressure.

            • Re:waterproof (Score:3, Insightful)

              by Andy_R ( 114137 )
              If you are 100 metres deep, you are either going to be:

              a) already dead, or about to die from decompression sickness
              b) a highly experienced scuba diver (in which case you will have a dive computer strapped where your watch would be) or
              c) in a pressurised submarine

              You are unlikely to return alive and well from 50m unless you really know what you are doing, get anywhere near 100m and your watch will be the least of your worries.
    • by shadow303 ( 446306 ) on Monday November 18, 2002 @05:35PM (#4701167)
      Why do you wear a watch in the shower? Unless you are timing your spank time, I fail to see why you should be wearing it.
    • how about just in the shower/tub without fear of it getting killed?

      Tub/Shower? For what? Smaller than life porn?

      I suppose if you're one-handed you would have a hard time taking it off.. but then wouldn't you have a hard time watching it too?

    • and like all the other pda/pc watches it's missing one crucial feature...

      WATERPROOF!


      Nah, this isn't even close to crucial for the only guy I personally know who wants one. He wants it to replace a scientific calculator watch that isn't made anymore and which is decidedly non-water-resistant.

      Ergo, not every geek showers with their Geek Watch on (I admit I've forgotten to take mine off until after turning the water on, once or twice after too little sleep, so I'm glad mine is water resistant, but even so I would surely never try to submerse it).
    • Water resistant for accidental dunks in the dishwater, sure.

      But waterproof? SNORKLING? What are you doing looking up your addresses while snorkling? It's not like you're going to be making a phone call from down there.

      You don't require your cell phone or PDA to be waterproof, so neither should the wristwatch.
  • by Rui del-Negro ( 531098 ) on Monday November 18, 2002 @05:27PM (#4701053) Homepage
    They decided to go with Palm OS because there was no way they could fit Windows CE's EULA into something that small.

    RMN
    ~~~
  • Yes, because your current Palm OS device is a massive, unruly behemoth of a machine, right? I thought we were all in agreement that the wearable, smaller and smaller computing equipment was a weird and dying trend. Hell, I think the screen on my Visor is too small, now it's a watch?
  • To get a sense of how this would work, set up your computer desktop to a high contrast theme with font size = 200 or something similar

    Of course, you would do this with Windows so you can really get a sense of how unworkable it could be in a worst case scenario.

    But don't worry, Bill wil try to get us a Windows version Real Soon Now(tm)

  • by mcroydon ( 530462 ) on Monday November 18, 2002 @05:29PM (#4701084) Homepage Journal
    I had read an article at CNet [com.com] earlier today that contradicts one of the few details in the slashdot article. According to the article:

    Fossil plans to sell the watch under both its own brand and its new Abacus brand. The Abacus brand will feature either metal or plastic watchbands and will sell at electronics retailers for $199 or less. Meanwhile, the Fossil-brand models will have a more stylish look and fetch as much as $299 at department stores and at Fossil's own outlets.

    I don't think that this watch will fly. The stylus looks painful to use, and it packs about as much punch as a Zire. I think that is about equivalent to the power of my first computer, an IBM 8088. You should definately check out the article at CNet [com.com] for more details.

    • > I think that is about equivalent to the power of my first computer, an IBM 8088

      Wrong. Even the original 68000 was a 32-bit CPU (internally) and much more powerful than the 8088. The closest Intel CPU would be the 386SX.

      But I think you're right, at $299 it won't sell. For $149 I could see myself getting one of these, since I mostly just use my Palm to look up addresses and to-do lists anyway, and the rocker switch should work fine for that without requiring the claw-like stylus.
  • silly little stylus (Score:4, Interesting)

    by The Fun Guy ( 21791 ) on Monday November 18, 2002 @05:30PM (#4701097) Homepage Journal
    Would anyone seriously use the dinky little stylus that's part of the band? Talk about an ergonomic nightmare (and a choking hazard). Why not just include a selectable-point pen with every watch, that will let you switch between blue/black/red ink and a stylus? That seems to make much more sense from an actual functionality standpoint than that tiny stylus, letting you use the PDA concurrently and seamlessly with more traditional dead-tree technology.
  • Problems (Score:3, Informative)

    by silvakow ( 91320 ) on Monday November 18, 2002 @05:30PM (#4701098)
    There are some inherent problems with this solution. Screen size is an issue, ie. is there even enough space to display a full name on one line? How about their address and phone number?

    Also, you had better hope there's a smart keylock implemented so you aren't walking around erasing all of your files without realizing it (damn, sure is crowded on these New York subways ...)
  • by tinrobot ( 314936 ) on Monday November 18, 2002 @05:30PM (#4701101)
    Never went in for calculators on my hips or wrists - this seems like the logical extension of that sort of geekwear. Not the kind of fashion statement I want to make.

    Plus - it's sooooo tiny, don't think I could read it anyways.

    Next!
  • I change the batteries enough in my Handspring. I can only imagine how hard it's gonna be to pry the back off of the watch let alone trying to switch out the small watch batteries.
  • The screen looks to be quite a bit smaller than the Palm standard of 160x160. With the 6cm screen it is hard enough to get within a single pixel for selecting. The screen on their site looks to be about 3cm squre.

    If they do have 160x160, those icons look awfully big. If they don't have it, lots of apps will break. Guess we'll have to wait and see what the specs really say...

    frob.

    • The cnet link answered the questions.

      It does have the regular screen, but they modified the default apps to have bigger icons. Even so, it would have about .2 mm pixels; way to small to be useful. With even the .5 mm mechanical pencils you would end up always hitting multiple pixels on the digitizer.

  • by falser ( 11170 ) on Monday November 18, 2002 @05:31PM (#4701107) Homepage
    When can I have my Dick Tracy phone-watch?

    It's only been, what, 60 years since everyone has been waiting for it. We finally get something, and all it can do is graffiti? Sigh, the pace of evolution is slowing to a crawl...
  • It's underpowered, [slashdot.org] sure, but the 68k architecture has been around long enough that, by now, it's a straightforward proposition to manufacture cores at low cost. Device makers are still trying to figure out how to put together ARM devices that land in impulse-buy territory, but Fossil can pack a totally functional 68k PDA into a $150 wristwatch. Nifty.
  • This is definately neat, but I would much rather get this [palm.com] Palm Product for the same price as the watch, but with four times as much memory.
  • 4 days? (Score:2, Insightful)

    If it only lasts for 4 days, they should have at least included the ability to wind it.

    Of course, I could be high.

  • At $149, I may be the first in line when it comes out next spring.

    I'll bet you [toysrgus.com] will.
  • Lefties? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by bziman ( 223162 ) on Monday November 18, 2002 @05:36PM (#4701180) Homepage Journal
    Waterproof is important... but for something like this, it would also be nice to have a left-handed model -- or a reversible model. I'm sure their engineers could do that. It would suck to have to use the rocker-control with my left thumb instead of my index finger, like designed.

    And what's with the two hour battery life?

    Otherwise, very very cool.

  • an aggressive strike (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Gizzmonic ( 412910 ) on Monday November 18, 2002 @05:38PM (#4701206) Homepage Journal
    Although Fossil brought Palm to the table for this one, does anyone else get the distinct impression that they might be making an end-run into the PDA market?

    Fossil is a hugely popular brand (they even have Fossil stores in airports!) and with the low margins on watches, they might be looking for a new market. I mean, right now, any Taiwanese sweatshop can put together a POS digital watch, hell, some kid in his garage could do that.

    Remember when watches only had an hour and a minute hand? And then all of a sudden, they had a second hand, and now the date, several time zones, "chrono" mode and other stuff.

    The PDA is the next step in complexity and "needed" features for a wristwatch. If Fossil were to come out with its own Palmtop OS, or maybe even take Opie or something, they could ink a deal with a few fortune 500 companies just with the force of their name.

    And what happens at "What's up Wednesday" when your technology-fetishizing boss passes out a gaggle of huge PDA-watches to all the gals in accounting? I think you may have to start firing up the copy machine to print out resumes!

  • No hope... (Score:2, Insightful)

    Like slashdotters aren't already having enough trouble getting a date without wearing one of these goofy things.

    At least it doesn't have an antenna...
  • The stylus, hidden in the band, is confused by most airport guards as a prison shank.
  • by fireboy1919 ( 257783 ) <rustypNO@SPAMfreeshell.org> on Monday November 18, 2002 @05:45PM (#4701274) Homepage Journal
    This is not the first wrist-pda made by fossil, just the first Palm based one.

    They've been advertising their products as something that could interface with a PDA. In other words, they expect you to already have a PDA when you use it. The process of inputting data into it is something like this:
    1) Buy a PDA
    2) Put your data on your PDA
    3) Beam your data from your PDA to your fossil.

    I don't really like that too much. What's the point of the middle man? I want a pda for two reason, and two only:
    1) Addressbook
    2) Expenses data entry (not NEARLY as important).

    I need to be able to get data to my PC and from my PC, and I don't need another PDA. And for what I need, I don't need a touch screen, really. I'd rather have a more rugged watch than a touch screen.

    I expect that I am not alone in this assessment. I wonder when fossil will get the idea; reviewers have been talking about the serious shortcoming in their product (that they can't interface directly with PCs) for quite some time.
    • there's one BIG plus to having a palm-PDA-in-a-watch even if you already have a PDA: getting decent alarms!

      I don't keep my Palm on me all the time (obviously) which limits its usefulness for alarms quite a bit: having a watch that can be synced with my iiic would be a really nice bonus.

      Being able to look up somebody's phone number wherever you are, is really good, and if they mod this to be able to do DTMF (sp?) directly, it would be even better.

      Also, if they are smart, they will also include a vibrating alarm in this watch, but I'm not holding my breath on this one.
  • ...is how long it would take me to lose that itty-bitty stylus that comes with the wristband!
  • Against God (Score:5, Funny)

    by L. VeGas ( 580015 ) on Monday November 18, 2002 @05:46PM (#4701285) Homepage Journal
    A palm on the back of your wrist! You know what's next. We'll be eating with our butts and walking on our hands.
  • This looks like a great entry into the stagnating pda field. However, can really stand the abuse associated with everyday life? First, I probably slam my wrist into some object or another about once every two weeks or so. This used to destroy cheaper watches until my wife bought me a near-indestructable watch (ESQ for anyone who cares). When I think about the fragile touch-screen on my Handera and my old Workpad (both palmOS devices), I wonder how Fossil manages to get a touch-screen that won't get smashed the first time I bump into something when working under my car.

    Second, you've gotta wonder about battery life on an item that small. A closely-related third concerns accessories -- If they came out with one of these that could take an MMC card, supported bluetooth, or had any other fancy doodads, the battery life would be pretty abysmal. Then again, I'd nab one of these if it had any sort of expansion or networking capability. The notion of hotsyncing over bluetooth while in a charger stand next to my bed is very cool AND useful. And musing about the possibilities for corporate espionage with a SDIO 802.11 card in your watch strike me as the ultimate anti-Dick-Tracy chic.

    I guess I will be first in line... for the second release.

    Jon
  • by serutan ( 259622 ) <snoopdoug@RABBIT ... minus herbivore> on Monday November 18, 2002 @05:52PM (#4701338) Homepage
    WARNING: Using this product to view pr0n on your wrist can cause eyestrain and motion sickness.
  • The watch uses a USB interface for synchronizing with a PC, and sports a battery that according to Fossil will keep the watch running for approximately 4 days

    I tend to like my watch to keep time for more than 4 days before switching the battery out. If you have to replace the battery every 4 days and a battery costs $.50 US, it will cost you ~$45 a year to keep it running. No thanks! My Ericsson T68m has a PDA and clock with the side benefit of letting me call anyone, anywhere in America plus its not much bigger than this clunker of a watch.

  • by Wonderkid ( 541329 ) on Monday November 18, 2002 @05:55PM (#4701374) Homepage
    And that's from someone I know who works at the firm.

    In addition, I was on a train from Paddington Station in London, England this week, and got to see an actual 3G phone working. An employee was testing it (yes, there is a nearly complete 3G network in the UK). The phone was from a Japanese manufacturer, had twin cameras and a very high quality feel. But what blew me away, and this will mean the death of ALL OTHER phones the moment this puppy is launched in the UK in a few months is the fact that it has a PIP (Picture In Picture) feature thanks to the two cameras. The other person sees your face in a window in front of the view you can see, or the other way around. The video quality was at least 10 fps, and the killer app will be shopping. "Dahling, is this the wine you wanted me to get?" And of course, there will be the drunk twit who forgets he has a videophone and while at the bar with a cute chic in view calls his wife to say he will be home late because he's working late at the office. (What he meant to say was orifice.)

    (All the above is true. I am not revealing my sources, but within 3 months, everything is going to change. Goodbye privacy. Everyone will be in view of someone's video phone at some point every week. Get out the lipstick baby!)

  • Cheating In Exam (Score:2, Insightful)

    by atam ( 115117 )
    Now you can cheat at your exam by storing hard to remember formula, historical events, famous quotes, etc, in the palm enabled watch. When no one is watching, you could browse the information at your own pace. When your teacher is walking nearby, press a couple of the button, it becomes an ordinary watch again. Also, use the IR to beam back and forth for networked cheating. (Assuming your next chair neighbour also has this watch) It is the student's ultimate learning tool :-)
  • Just image in a beowulf cluster of these! It'd fit on your arm and have enough power to emualate a REAL PDA at about 1/10th speed! Of course, it'd be cool to put five on and get super-micro-wide-screen.
  • Anyone remember the RUnning comPUTER?
  • It's so small it will take me forever to scroll over when I want to look up Paulina Porizkova's phone number!
  • Misleading... (Score:3, Interesting)

    by WeirWolf ( 458699 ) on Monday November 18, 2002 @06:13PM (#4701534)
    Shouldn't they call this a wrist pilot?

    -Chris
  • Frankly, I can't imagine using such a thing. PDA's are tough enough at that size, but a watch? The huge sacrifices in usability are certainly not worth the tiny size. Also, it's going to take a tremendous amount of abuse on your wrist, as opposed to a PDA hiding safely in a breast pocket most of the time.

    This is, IMO, a perfect example of a gee-whiz product that has minimal practically for all but the most determined gadget freak.

    Let's face it, CPU/Memory are no longer the major limiting factors in PDA design. The real issue is(or should be) how to interact with the damn thing in a convenient and rapid manner using our clumsy fingers. A PDA watch is a step in the wrong direction.

  • Let's see. 2Mb. I don't know what the screen res is - let's say 160x160, which is probably an overestimate. Assume mono so that's 8 pixels/byte. That means 2,000,000/160/160*8 = 625 images.

    I'll be watching carefully to see how much longer people with these things spend in the bathroom.

  • by edremy ( 36408 ) on Monday November 18, 2002 @06:16PM (#4701555) Journal
    Doubles as a birth control device! Wear one of these puppies and watch the women cross the street to avoid you!
  • timex datalink (Score:3, Interesting)

    by asv108 ( 141455 ) <asv@@@ivoss...com> on Monday November 18, 2002 @07:04PM (#4701984) Homepage Journal
    Anyone remember the Timex Datalink? [ogopogo.com]. It wasn't a full fledged PDA, but it was really cool back in 1996. The watch would read bars on the monitor to dowload information from the PC. It was a nice way to keep track of phone numbers and Appointments.
  • by marhar ( 66825 ) on Monday November 18, 2002 @07:07PM (#4702008) Homepage
    Most watches aren't too bad worn on the right wrist, but this one looks like it's going to be really inconvenient for lefties... :-/

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