'Computer-On-Glass' Display 214
bfries writes "Sharp Corp, Japan's largest maker of liquid crystal displays (LCDs), unveiled a screen Tuesday with microprocessor circuitry applied directly onto the glass, enabling it to function like a computer. It uses Sharp's continuous grain silicon (CGS) technology and should be used on some products in 2005."
Minority Report (Score:1)
Re:Minority Report (Score:2)
Sounds more like an iMac to me. (Note for the humourless: I am joking, I am aware of the difference).
Re:Minority Report (Score:2)
Now the whole of
I can see the case mods coming now. (Score:5, Funny)
Re:I can see the case mods coming now. (Score:1)
Re:I can see the case mods coming now. (Score:5, Funny)
Yeah, of course my pc runs on windows...
The answer? Defenestrate now!
Re:I can see the case mods coming now. (Score:2)
Defenesetration is the wisest path
Re:I can see the case mods coming now. (Score:2, Interesting)
I could actually think of a real world application for the fish tank PC, although not as a case mod.
I would just love it, if the front glass of my aquarium would be a PC. Then I could just touch it, and it would display the water temperature, the pH, the salinity and so on directly on the front. Boy, would that be cool. No more Gadgets which destroy the look of the aquarium.
Re:I can see the case mods coming now. (Score:2)
Cool... (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Cool... (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Cool... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Cool... (Score:4, Insightful)
Ding ding ding... (Score:2)
Re:Ding ding ding... (Score:2)
Re:Cool... (Score:2)
Or through.
Business card computer made of glass? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Business card computer made of glass? (Score:1)
Note:
"Crack" relates to software.
The correct term for hardware is "Hack"
I guess "Crash" would be appropriate though.
:)
<Picky>
Re:Business card computer made of glass? (Score:2, Funny)
Yeah? (Score:3, Funny)
Yeah? You think so, buddy? Well, what if we decide not to use it, huh? What are YOU going to do about?
Who are you to say if we SHOULD use it or not...
Oh, hold on...that might not be what you meant.
Somethingwicked, you ignorant slut.
NOT A TROLL!!!! It's a joke! It's a joke! (Score:2, Insightful)
First off, MY username is somethingwicked. Was I trolling myself???
NO!!! I was making a simple joke about how I briefly misinterpretted the wording of the original comment.
Does no one remember the old SNL joke I referenced? So MAYBE it wasn't that good a joke, it sure wasn't a troll
Re:NOT A TROLL!!!! It's a joke! It's a joke! (Score:2)
I'm not trying to bug you, I just think it's real funny... you should see the lighter side and recognize it as an acomplishment.
I, for one, salute you
(Not trolling, it's a joke... and if it isn't funny, hey, yours wasn't very funny either)
Re:NOT A TROLL!!!! It's a joke! It's a joke! (Score:2)
I too found it funny and all too typical for
And you're right, I did troll myself
How's it look. (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:How's it look. (Score:1)
Re:How's it look. (Score:2)
Glass/Silicon (Score:3, Interesting)
What is the difference between glass and the silicon crystal used in chips? Aren't they kind of similar?
Re:Glass/Silicon (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Glass/Silicon (Score:3, Informative)
Hmm, what gets 5s these days...
Quartz is silicon dioxide (SiO2), as opposed to pure silicon. It's like the difference between rust and iron.
Re:Glass/Silicon (Score:5, Informative)
Glass is primarily SiO2 or "silica", but what we go around calling glass has plenty of additives. Most of what we call glass is actually soda-lime glass, so called because it contains ample ammounts of soda (Na2O) and lime (CaO). Those two ingredients help lower the melting point of SiO2 and make it a lot easier to process. Pyrex is a brand name for borosilicate glass and its composition allows it to be very strong and resistant to thermal shocks (this is why you can put Pyrex in the oven without worrying about it shattering). LCD glass is probably different alltogether.
Very pure amorphous SiO2 glass can be made, but it is much more expensive and is often sold as "fused silica" or "fused quartz".
True "quartz" is a crystalline (ordered) phase of SiO2, and it is not the only one. Crystoballite and tridymite are two other crystalline phases of quartz.
In any case, SiO2 is a dialectric, and not a semiconductor, so the computation being done in this story is all contained in the layers on top of the glass and not in the glass itself.
Heat dissipation (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Heat dissipation (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Heat dissipation (Score:5, Interesting)
Meanwhile wouldn't it be nice to have a half-inch thick high resolution LCD TV?
Brain fart... (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Brain fart... (Score:2)
Re:Brain fart... (Score:4, Insightful)
My suggestion was meant to be more along the lines of the water-cooling (with a radiator) that is popular among the overclocking crowd, not just a static pool of water. A display like this could be mounted on a wall, with the pump and radiator in a separate location, connected by a hose.
Re:Brain fart... (Score:2)
I think the parent was thinking about water flowing between the panels, drawing the heat out of the case, and dissipating that heat much like a car radiator, or liquid casemod.
The only problem I can see with this (no pun intended), would be turbulence of the water might distort the image on the screen.
Re:Heat dissipation (Score:2)
Quick! Ship it now! Do it now! (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Quick! Ship it now! Do it now! (Score:1)
Re:Quick! Ship it now! Do it now! (Score:2, Funny)
Ok this typo just made my morning. Thanks.
Re:Quick! Ship it now! Do it now! (Score:2)
Slow Glass (Score:5, Interesting)
you can store the all the data for a single pixal for a 90min movie within the area occupied by the pixal.
Once that's possible you can create dedicated movie "books".
Re:Slow Glass (Score:2)
But who needs compression when you have 60Gb/sq. in.?
Consider a 100dpi screen. 10000 pixels/sq. in. * 2 hours * 60 minutes * 60 seconds * 24 fps = 1.728 billion individual pixel values/sq in., which gives 34.7 bits per pixel value. Tada, beautiful 32 bit color.
Picture of the product... (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Picture of the product... (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Picture of the product... (Score:2)
A Z80 on glass. The Z80 brings back the good 'ol days.
Let's not forget how the Z80 used to run CPM. But with this invention, CPM can stand for Clear Panel Machine or Clear Panel Microprocessor
Re:Picture of the product... (Score:2)
So what's with the "call me back in 3-5 years when it's ready for production"?
Cheers,
max
Mod (Score:4, Funny)
The processing power isn't great, but it did manage to support Wine.
Re:Mod (Score:1)
Possible drawbacks... (Score:2, Interesting)
Seriously though - I can really see this sort of technology being used on phone booths (if it can be made cheep enough not to matter if its vandalised now n then) to make them display moving images while still being able to see through the glass to see that theres someone inside
It reminds me of a scene from The Time Machine where the hero blokey was talking to the hologram-type-librarian who was shown walking around "inside" pieces of glass...
Re:Possible drawbacks... (Score:2, Interesting)
How would we... (Score:1)
Re:How would we... (Score:1)
Transparency (Score:1, Interesting)
Re:Transparency (Score:3, Insightful)
If Palm could make a PDA with one piece of glass instead of glass and PCB, it could save money.
Every LCD I've seen on a shelf or in a picture has a casing on it. If that space had extra glass with a microprocessor embedded - your LCD screen could be higher quality for less money.
If you want to go to the extreme of the clear hand-held computer, you will probably still have an area to hold it by and maybe even some buttons for using it, which will provide space for circuits.
Re:Transparency (Score:2)
Buttons aren't a problem, you can vary capacitance with flexion. (Is that a word?) You can get clear plastic calculators for use on overhead projectors...
Nice for HUDS (Score:1)
Re:Nice for HUDS (Score:2)
Re:Nice for HUDS (Score:1)
Note: The above does not apply if "you only have one eye", and I'm an "insensitive clod".
Cool, (Score:1, Interesting)
Digital Photos (Score:5, Insightful)
The abiliy to offload some of the processing on the display would be very helpful. I can see that being a very useful display. Still the idea of storage on the display sounds like Minority Report to me. Very cool.
Re:Digital Photos (Score:2)
I'm just glad that they're actually mentioning potential applications which aren't a part of the the current buzzword set. They could have easily shoved in there the usual "wireless devices" drivel...
1 GHz limit (Score:5, Interesting)
a problem at 1 GHz.
Science, fiction and aesthetics (Score:1)
Will we see soon an aqua-themed computer box?
Re: (Score:1)
Wow! Now I can really... (Score:5, Funny)
*Runs for cover*
Re:Wow! Now I can really... (Score:1)
Contacts? (Score:2, Interesting)
Here's a picture (Score:2, Informative)
Information (Score:2)
<geek>
If nothing else, it looks like the PDAs they use in StarTrek are made out of a piece of glass with a handle, this means that we can actually manufacture 'em!
</geek>
A whole new meaning... (Score:3, Funny)
They're gonna run into prior art on this one! (Score:2)
Oh, wait... silicone, not silicon. Nevermind.
Didn't look like you could use as a display (Score:5, Insightful)
I don't see the significance of this.
Re:Didn't look like you could use as a display (Score:2, Insightful)
Large Photo in Reuters (Score:5, Informative)
Does it run windows? (Score:2, Funny)
What about on skin? (Score:3, Funny)
Circuitry applied to glass is absolutely fascinating and all, but I want to know when they will come up with a good way for printing circuitry on skin. I want computerized skin damnit. One more potential reason to legitimize orgies..
Re:What about on skin? (Score:2)
more like:
Hey, ladies - imagine coming over to my place and having a beowolf cluster of us?
I was driving down the road.. (Score:4, Funny)
I can just hear the engineers... "Well we already have to put circuitry on the windshield for the HUD.. why don't we just go ahead and put the fuel injection computer and all the other electronics there as well..."
Hey, you think it wouldn't happen? I bet you thought that refrigerators would never have Internet access either...
--sg
What are these screens going to cost? (Score:2, Interesting)
Super-fantastic application... (Score:5, Funny)
[sigh]
Electronic Paper (Score:2)
Cool future uses and bad future uses (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Cool future uses and bad future uses (Score:2)
Style! (Score:2)
Didn't we see something like this in Our Man Flint...? =)
Sort of like active matrix LCD (Score:2)
Put them on a crystal substrate instead of glass, then they would be shock resistant too.
Still cool stuff, dont misunderstand.
Dangerous DRM possibilities (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Dangerous DRM possibilities (Score:2)
Urgh, get me a bucket! I'm gonna spew!
What a whiner. I so hate having to debunk upmodded trolls. Sigh.
First try, reductio ad sarcasium:
Indeed! No place to upload new firmware, applications, or content. We don't even have to bother with the circuity in this model! We can just paint the glass! BWAHAHAHAHAHA!! It's _completely secure_! Fooled those silly customers, didn't we now!
Second try, a more serious approach:
This is no different than a large variety of new printable circuit technologies on the horizon. (E.g. printable on plastic, woven/printed into cloth, etc.) ALL OF THEM WILL EVENTUALLY COME TO PASS. Just like current implementation technologies, none of these have any instrinsic connection to DRM.
Listen up: the feature sets and marketing profiles of products are determined by what customers will buy, or by what companies guess customers will buy. If customers continue to value of a product market without DRM, then products without DRM will continue to be sold. If customers never value DRM, eventually markets will learn.
Yes, despite the diligence of those in the know, we may enter a Prohibition like phase regarding IP rights here in the U.S. We may already be there. Yes that sucks. But I believe that continued diligence and basic economic forces will eventually roll over all of that like so many other times that "progress" went burp! in world history. At least we don't have to deal with the Black Plague.
Moreover, your position holds powerlessness and fear as its fundamental assumptions. How can you stand to think that way? You've already lost!
Transmetta.... (Score:2)
Excellent.... (Score:2)
I am just waiting till I can have the zoom map table from alien and starwars to view detailed maps - or anything else.
I do a lot of CAD work and would love to have a glass CAD table.
I know the guy (Score:2)
I saw a few posts argueing about heat problems. You could still put a heatsink on the chips. PCB doesn't conduct heat all that well either. PCB's on the other hand do block more RF. And photons hitting the traces on on a PCB is less of a problem than on glass
All in all, it's a very neat technology and is very interesting. It will save manufacturing costs a lot, maybe even in LCD monitors/LCD TV's or even hand helds. It's not going to be used for a fast computer because the technology to put traces on glass isn't nearly as good as copper that you will find in the average PCB.
At least that was the case the last time I checked. There might be some good conductors for glass now.
People who use (Score:2)
Sorry, just had to day it
Well, it's a darn interesting start (Score:2)
Re:Glass is a Liquid... (Score:2, Interesting)
Glass is a crystalline structure, and does not warp with age.
The old windows which people often point to as being thicker at the bottom, are that way because the glass itself was irregular, and was installed with the heavy part at the bottom as it is more stable that way.
Or so I've been informed by a professional glass-blower who should know such things...
Glass is not a liquid. (Score:2, Informative)
More information [ualberta.ca].
Re:Glass is a Liquid... (Score:2)
Re:Glass is a Liquid... (Score:2)
The glass does NOT change shape, it never did, if it does in the future the human race will have been LONG extinct and won't notice. Glass is warped in old buildings because the techniques for creating glass windows mostly SUCKED. So the glass started out warped. The bases are thicker so the glass won't FALL OUT. The only time I have actually glass with melt lines is after a massive housefire when we were cleaning the place out.
Glass MIGHT flow on a geological time scale on the order of a billion years or so, but hell, given that much time what doesn't?
Kintanon
Re:Glass is a Liquid...Maybe..maybe not (Score:2, Interesting)
The crux is that glass's structure is not clearly solid or clearly liquid. The explanation for the windows that have thicker bottoms than tops is that the old processes for making glass involved blowing a large bubble and then spinning it. The glass had non-uniform thickness, and was typically installed with the heavy end down.
Re:Cool, but more useful would be computer-on-late (Score:2)
"With integrated circuits, for her pleasure."