Zaurus Software Reviews 103
Steve Emms writes "The Zaurus SL-5500 PDA represents a new frontier. Here Linux is not an afterthought shoehorned onto a windows product - the Zaurus is a PDA that comes configured with Linux out of the box. And it's a good fit, Linux works well on relatively low spec machines like PDAs. But it's the software that makes the machine. So LinuxLinks has started a series of reviews of commercial Linux software for the Zaurus." Little thin right now, but a nice start for anyone interested in the PDA.
a little thin indeed (Score:1)
Reef War Price: $9.95 - Battleships (09/15/02)
IslandReversi Price: $9.95 - the classic board game for the beach! (09/15/02)
No wonder linux is a clear choice for pda's
Some alternatives if short of cash (Score:1)
Opie Media Player 2 - early beta but plays divX.
a Little expensive (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:a Little expensive (Score:1)
Re:Not expensive at all! (Score:1)
Links (Score:3, Informative)
Nice summary by O'Reilly [oreillynet.com]
Sharp USA site [sharp-usa.com]
Zaurus user's site [myzaurus.com]
Sharp Developer site [sharpsec.com]
ZDNet UK review [zdnet.co.uk]
cNet review [cnet.com]
Linuxdevices.com review [linuxdevices.com]
ZDnet review [zdnet.com]
TechTV review [techtv.com]
ThinkGeek review [thinkgeek.com]
PC Magazine review [pcmag.com]
IT Reviews review [itreviews.co.uk]
Cnet shopper latest prices [cnet.com]
Buy @ Amazon [amazon.com]
Re:Links (Score:4, Informative)
http://opie.handhelds.org [handhelds.org]
http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net [sourceforge.net]
Re:Links (Score:1)
Re:What I'd like to build (Score:1)
Their EDEN platform runs with their C3 cpu.
Not incredibly fast, but does the job.
Also, they are supposed to introduce their new generation some time this autumn.
Look on the VIA website [via.com.tw]
and on this one mini-itx website [mini-itx.com]
Re:What I'd like to build (Score:1)
Re:What I'd like to build (Score:1)
Also, check out the OQO [oqo.com] . Both are small, silent and powerful enough.
Roguelazer
Windows look and feel ? (Score:2, Insightful)
Now when you look at the screenshots, it *really* looks like they are trying to make it look like Windows XP.
http://www.linuxlinks.com/portal/content/png/tk
That's a pity that the Kompany cannot even develop its own look and feel. People tired of windows ME & co, who will buy this, will be quite disappointed to get linux with a windowsish style, won't they ?
Re:Windows look and feel ? (Score:1)
Re:Windows look and feel ? (Score:1)
Re:Windows look and feel ? (Score:1)
Re:Windows look and feel ? (Score:1)
Re:Windows look and feel ? (Score:5, Insightful)
The point being, asiide from me being a sarcastic twit, is that people are getting use to XP and it's 'tarded telletubies interface. They, as all smart developers, are giving people (the consumers) what they want.
And, to me, it looks like the "XP Team" copied Gnome - Gnome had rounded-large-colorfull icons well before XP did.
Re:Windows look and feel ? (Score:2)
Re:Windows look and feel ? (Score:2)
I don't think Microsoft would want to open -that- can of worms. I bet, somewhere, on some Amiga or Atari, someone made "collrfully-puffy" icons - and can prove it. Someone out there had to have made XP-like icons long before XP came about.
Re:Windows look and feel ? (Score:1)
And if they did? Personally, I don't really care what the interface LOOKS like as long as I can see what I need to see to get done what I want to get done, then who cares? I'm not one of those drones that spends hours tweaking their desktop... so what difference does it make to me?
-Republicans cause cancer.
-1 Flamebait, -1 Troll, -1 Not a angry Microsoft hating bastard....
Re:Windows look and feel ? (Score:1)
Well, kinda. The first Honda production car was the 1963 Honda S500. It had four wheels and a front/rear engine/drive config, true. But that's about as close to Ford-like as it came, with the drive train being a motorcycle chain. And of course, the steering wheel and controls on the right-hand side. (You've forgotten that the Japanese drive on the English side of the road.)
Refs:
Honda Corporate timeline [hondacorporate.com]
Classic Honda History [hondabeat.com]
Comments on Honda S2000N [demon.nl]
Re:Windows look and feel ? (Score:1)
Obviously, the Kompany is one of the few business-oriented software developpers for Linux (as opposed to fully OpenSource developpers). Now it seems to me that it is like working in a proprietary way and trying to sell products to free software "extremists". The most interested people in Zaurus must be the linux community, are they going to accept a Windows-oriented platform ?
Last point: isn't there any copyright on this, or did The Kompany pay a lot of money to Microsoft to get their UI, icons and all ?
Lack of money isn't what kills OSS UI's (Score:2)
I often say that Bill Gates doesn't have to lift a finger to crush linux on the desktop because so many people in the linux community do his job for him.
Re:Lack of money isn't what kills OSS UI's (Score:1)
* Users who do the same.
Don't you just hate people who won't listen to you when you tell them what they should want?
Hmm, interesting. (Score:2)
Granted, most of them are games, and a bit on the bad side, but Linux is starting to make mainstream strides beyond the server market...which is always good to see.
Personally, though, I'd be more interested to see a review of the software included with the Zarius.
Re:Hmm, interesting. - Here's a quick review. (Score:2, Informative)
The Calander application is thin, but adequate.
The synch software pretty much sucks and is the only piece of software that needs a complete overhaul.
The text editor is a functional text editor.
The address book, email, todo list, voice recorder, image viewer, and media player apps - ditto.
Asteroids is a pretty good asteroids clone.
I don't know how to play Go, so I can't comment on that.
Mindbreaker is like the Logic game on some Nokia phones.
Mine hunt is a good Minesweeper clone.
Patience is a reasonably good solitaire game, with one caveat. You can't double-click on the cards to send them home.
Snake is a much better version of the Nokia phone game.
Tetrix is a passable Tetris clone.
Word game is very fun once you figure out the UI eccentricities.
There are a couple of unnecessary Java demos that I can't understand why were included.
The appearance app doesn't allow for enough control over the appearance, but more than other handhelds that I've used.
Hancom Office is a totally usable, MS Office compatible office suite (though I admit to using the text editor more than Hancom Word).
Opera is - well, Opera. If you hit a site that tries to open more than one window, you're given the option of which one you want to open which is kind of nice. I think I'm going to try to track down a flash plug-in for it, though.
All that said it might sound like I don't like the Zaurus that much. Not so. I love it. The power of it being Linux based is all of the software available for it NOT included (oh, and I LOVE the keyboard). I immediately downloaded the terminal app so that I could get to a bash shell without having to reboot it. It's a nice terminal - has shortcuts to commonly used commands - very cool. I also installed a VNC client/server, ZIC for IRC, Sketches of Q - which is a nice little drawing app, FTP spftware (opie ftp), and even a nice version of PacMan.
The machine is snappy and has a great screen. Text input via the keyboard is much faster and more accurate than any handwriting recognition. On the other hand, the handwriting recognition on the Zaurus is outstanding. No grafiti to learn, just write normally in the appropriate section of the screen and it works. In addition, it has a predictive text input system, so as you're writing on the screen, it gives you several suggestions as to what word you're attempting to type. If it makes a hit, just clikc on the word and move on. Very nice.
I've also added a WAP (in my home office) and a Wireless CF card. Both are Linksys and the installation was basically non-existant. True plug and play (except for security on the WAP). I can surf the net, hang out on slashnet or #everything, ftp, vnc, whatever from the Zaurus. My next foray may be into a wireless modem. Still deciding whether it's worth it.
The cradle it USB and synching is easy (once you've got it set up), but lacking in options. You can synch to the proprietary app (Qtopia desktop) or Outlook. I use Eudora, and would like an option to synch my contacts to there, and the other stuff (calander, etc...) to elsewhere, but alas nothing yet exists to allow for this. Of course, that the system is Open Source, this probably is not far off.
Copying individual files to and from the Zaurus is also easy as the device works sort of like an external USB harddrive. No, it doesn't get a drive letter, but through QTopia Desktop, you upload and download files as if it were a drive. Simple and reasonably quick.
There are some areas that need work, but overall the Zaurus is a hell of a little handheld that is already very powerful because of its Linux roots and has a significant amount of potential.
Killefiz.de/zaurus (Score:1)
Opie Player and mplayer (Score:2, Interesting)
Opie player 2 is better in many ways though, because it supports OGG, MP3, MPEG4 (divx), MPEG1, MPEG2, RV10 (early real video codec) (ffpeg's codec) and has a pretty graphical front end.
Some of The Kompany's stuff looks interesting, but their multimedia stuff is just a rip off. (tkcVideo uses ffmpeg as the backend (which is also used by opie player 2 and mplayer, all it provides is a $10 pretty GUI, which opie player 2 does as well now)
Re:Opie Player and mplayer (Score:1)
Opieplayer2 uses xine as a backend.
Re:Opie Player and mplayer (Score:1)
XMMS too (Score:1)
Though I suppose it should be called QMMS now because it isn't in X anymore
download (Score:2)
Re:Opie Player and mplayer - FUD (Score:2, Informative)
Shawn Gordon
President
theKompany.com
I got one (Score:2, Informative)
My 5500 replaces a Palm 3. Synchronizing that data was seamless. Being able to pop a CF wireless or networking card saves me the hassle of having to pack a laptop for troubleshooting network problems.
Software for the 5500 is constantly being added. One of my favorite sites is
http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/
Re:I got one (Score:1)
Hardware, not software, is what the Zaurus needs (Score:4, Insightful)
The Zaurus keyboard is better than nothing, but it's not good enough -- and handwriting input isn't what I want. 90% of what I do with a laptop when I'm on the move is concerned with text, and the Zaurus with a folding external keyboard and a spare battery would actually replace a laptop for most purposes. So where are the hardware add-ons?
Re:Hardware, not software, is what the Zaurus need (Score:1)
Lots of Software (Score:4, Informative)
Console Only Mode (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Console Only Mode (Score:2, Informative)
When you power on the machine hit (/ ?) when it says "waiting ... " then chose a (linux console)
Re:Console Only Mode (Score:4, Informative)
q (x): Qtopia
a (e): Linux Console
e (e): init 3 (ttyS0:-free-)
r (e): init 4 (ttyS0:terminal)
t (e): init 5 (ttyS0:pppd)
Re:Console Only Mode (Score:1)
Zaurus controls keys (Score:1)
> panel) and CTRL I think is the "Fn" button, Fn+C
> does a CTRL-C in the console anyway.
For most control keys, you hit CTRL-SHIFT-?. CTRL-C is one of the two or three exceptions.
http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/zaurus-faq/sect
is one source of info on this. There's a chart somewhere, but I'm working on eight seconds or so of sleep and my cups of tea and coffee haven't kicked in yet, so I can't find it.
Re:Zaurus zaurus zaurus (Score:1)
Dev on the go. (Score:2)
Eon Games... (Score:2)
Apex Design (Score:1)
I'm waiting for Payback [apex-designs.net] by Apex Design.
An awesome looking GTA2 killer, should be availible any week now.
Zaurus Rough Spots (Score:3, Informative)
The GUI shells you can get for the machine work pretty well, as do X and the C compiler off the Open Zaurus web page. The X package seems to be made to install in RAM and doesn't like being relocated to install on a CF or SD card. The C compiler is not a package file and can be detarred anywhere, though making all the links to get it working right can be tricky.
Oh yeah, and battery life sucks. That kinda goes without saying. I get about 2 to 3 hours of powered on use out of a battery. I keep a spare on hand, and that helps a little. Palm users will have to modify habits (And take that AC adaptor with you on business trips.)
You can also replace the initrd with a build of your own. So if you want to completely build your environment from the ground up (or try Debian's build) that's pretty easy.
All in all a nice little machine, though it could benefit from fuel cell technology.
Linux on iPAQ (Score:2)
opie.sf.net [sf.net]
And that's all you need.
Install Familiar on your iPAQ (you need a serial cable), then install opie (if it's not already installed.) Use ipkg to install zaurus packages. Then smirk and go "NYAHHHH" to all those trying to charge you money for it.
Have fun!
--pi
Re:Linux on iPAQ (Score:2)
Rundown H38xx vs Zaurus
Processor: Same (206MHz SA-1100 StrongArm)
RAM: Same (64MB)
ROM: 32MB (Ipaq) 16MB (Zaurus) (Slight advantage to Ipaq)
Expansion: SD (Ipaq) SD and CF (Zaurus)*
Software: Functionally equivelent
Input: Onscreen (Ipaq) Onscreen and Keyboard (Zaurus)
Price: 550 (w/mail in rebate, compaq, bestbuy) (Ipaq) 400 (Compusa) (Zaurus)
For ~2/3 the price, you get a machine that is more expandable and otherwise nearly identical in feature set.
*Yes, CF and PCMCIA slots can be obtained for Ipaqs but for an extra 30(the absolute cheapest I have seen them for)-100+ USD (Zaurus users can get a CF->PCMCIA adapter for 30-70. USD)
In addition, if running linux the ipaq is limited to mmc cards, because of SD's licencing. This semi-applies to openzaurus, but they can load sharp's module.
Re:Linux on iPAQ (Score:2)
battery: Ipaq-H38xx unknown, H39xx 1400mAh unknown voltage. Zaurus-3.7V 950 mAh
Advantage to Ipaq, of course I can't find the official H38xx battery specs because of Compaq/HP's website being down. (and I am too lazy to look for them other places)
OK, so you can get a Zaurus and an extra battery for $100 less than an Ipaq.
UI needs improvements (Score:2)
First, Qt is clearly is a desktop widget set that has been converted to a handheld: the shape and size of many components simply takes up way too much space, completely unnecessarily, and the overall layout of applications is also quite wasteful of screen space. The Zaurus Opera browser illustrates this: at the "tiny" settings: you still get the 3D decorations for buttons and text entry boxes, but the text for those widgets is completely gone; now, which is more important--wasting pixels on a 3D look or being able to see the actual text? There are lots of ways of indicating buttons that do not require a several pixel wide 3D border. Of course, even at larger scales, when you can read the text, those pixels take up unnecessary space. If you only have 240x320 pixels to play around with, this kind of thing needs to be highly optimized, and there are better ways of doing this. What we really need is a special-purpose handheld toolkit, not a port from a desktop. Altogether, with its 240x320 screen, Zaurus applications feel more space constrained than a Palm Pilot; it's the same problem that Windows CE and PocketPC have.
Second, Qt/QPE software takes up lots of memory to run. The QPE process alone takes up nearly 8 Mbytes of memory, with a terminal application taking an additional 3.8 Mbytes (all RSS while being used). A full, running X server (Xvnc) running on the same system takes 1.3 Mbytes, and that includes additional support for the VNC protocol, and a handheld version of rxvt can be run in a few hundred kbytes of memory. The Agenda/VR applications also took up a fraction of the amount of memory of what the equivalent Zaurus applications take up. It's a myth that Qt/Embedded is memory-efficient.
Third, the use of Qt/Embedded cuts the Zaurus off from a lot of other Linux handheld development: there are lots of neat, small, efficient applications written for other widget sets, some of them straight to X11, some of them using FLTK and others. While you can run them using Xvnc on a Zaurus, you end up with two completely unintegrated environments--that is not acceptable for day-to-day usage.
Sharp and Lineo should recompile the Zaurus applications to use X11; given that they are written in Qt, that should be easy, although they may have to do some performance tuning on the X11 version of Qt. Then, people could pick and choose which applications they like to run among a larger variety of software. I'd replace some of the built-in applications with FLTK-based ones, saving both memory and getting an interface I prefer. And then there would be a lot more software available for it and we wouldn't need reviews of four tiny applets at the amazing price of $10 each.
it's fast -- you must be confusing something (Score:2)
AFAIK, there effectively has been only one commercially released model (the developer model is similar but has only 32 Mbytes).
It's slow as hell!
You must be confusing the Zaurus with something else. There have been three Linux PDAs: the Agenda/VR, the Yopy, and the Zaurus. Linux also runs in the iPaqs. The Agenda/VR runs on a 66MHz MIPS chip, and it is a bit sluggish--but once applications are loaded, it's OK. I haven't tried the Yopy, but I don't think you could have either--as far as I know, it's only available mail order.
While it has some flaws (see above), the Zaurus UI is very fast and responsive, comparable to Palm and better than Windows CE, in my experience. In fact, the quality of the Zaurus UI is at least comparable to Windows CE, not just in my opinion, but also in many reviews. On the iPaq, we can even make a side-by-side comparison of the performance on identical hardware, and X11 running on the iPaq beats Windows CE hands down.
the price wasn't there, though much cheaper than the linux models.
The Zaurus costs $340 mail order, for a 206MHz device with keyboard, CF, MMC, MP3, and other features, and it comes with a huge amount of software. It is, and has always been, cheaper than comparable Windows CE machines.
I know people with WinCE models and love them
To each their own. To me, the Windows CE machines aren't even in the running: they are expensive, slow, and lack most of the software that I would want to run.
Re:it's fast -- you must be confusing something (Score:1)
Re:it's fast -- you must be confusing something (Score:1)
Re:it's fast -- you must be confusing something (Score:2)
I'm sorry, but you are just making that up. Every single PocketPC that Circuit City sells costs more than that. Check their web page.
It is slow!
Not compared to PocketPC machines.
It is Expensive!
At $330, it's 2/3 the price of the NR70, the closest Sony model. And for that, you get a much more powerful handheld.
in the end a sony clie now sits on my desk
The Clies are very nice organizers. An SJ20 or SJ30 is a really good deal. If a Clie gets your job done, be happy. But as handheld platforms, the Palm-based systems are just much more limited in what they can do.
SL-A300? (Score:1)
Re:SL-A300? (Score:1)
Having just purchased an SL-5500... (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Having just purchased an SL-5500... (Score:1)
Re:Having just purchased an SL-5500... (Score:1)
Are you sure about that? I have a couple of thousand contacts in my addressbook and a very full and detailed calander in my datebook (I use a Palm btw) and I couldn't imagine trying to do the same with a paper Rolodex and a paper Planner. Using paper is in no way shape or form easier or faster. Text entry is smooth with this app I installed called simplyWrite for the Palm. It makes grafitti much easier to use but even without it using the PDA is much quicker for basic PIM stuff than paper is. IMHO.
Re:Having just purchased an SL-5500... (Score:1)
I've found the Zaurus to be useless (Score:1)
Re:I've found the Zaurus to be useless (Score:1)
Yes! I just ordered one of these puppies! (Score:1)
I can't wait to start porting programs to it, I already have a StrongARM based Netwinder [netwinder.net] which is running Debian Woody, got a SanDisk SDDR-009 Compact Flash Card writer, I'm totally set and ready for some serious Linux PDA hacking fun. And there is already a Debian Zaurus [debian.org] specific port in progress. There is going to be tons of software for these things before too long, as the Debian ARM [debian.org] port is quite mature and already has some 9000 packages!
GSM (Score:2)
UAE on Zaurus? (Score:1)
Replaced my laptop (Score:2)
Now mind you, my laptop, in terms of processor power, wasn't much more powerful than the Zaurus. But it was much heavier. I can do everything on my Zaurus I used to do on my laptop and actually much more. It's much easier to carry around to classes or work. It's a perfect "datebook" and personal computer. I have faced a few bugs here and there, but you know, the nice thing was that I could often figure them out and fix them, while with my old palm I felt much more helpless.
Probably the thing I love the most is how easy it is to transfer information to and from the Zaurus. With my palm, all my files had to be converted and manipulated between formats. Now it's a matter of FTP or swapping a compact flash card. Text files are still text files, PDF files are still PDF files. I'm dealing with a real computer here which is wonderful.
Is the Zaurus perfect? No. In fact, there's plenty of people I would NOT recommend the Zaurus to. PDAs like any technology should be considered with need and use in mind and some people don't need a whole little Linux box in there pocket, a Palm works just fine. But for me, the Zaurus is one of those devices I've always been looking for.
No Zaurus "killer app" ... yet (Score:2)
1) It's the only portable OGG player right now
2) It's a reasonably full functional, and powerful PDA
3) It runs linux, thus has endless potential -- far more than any proprietary PDA
Already there is a completely opensource replacement OS [sourceforge.net] for the Zaurus.
But... there is no "killer app" yet. A few possibilities though:
1) Real, usable, opensource GPS software using one of the many CF GPS cards out there.
2) Wireless portable OpenH323 [openh323.org] terminal
For now, zaurus xmms [inf.elte.hu] and zmame [mameworld.net] are enough to keep me busy for a long time
Re:No Zaurus "killer app" ... yet (Score:1)
That's all the killer app I need.
Zaurus merely OK as a PDA, but I prefer it anyway (Score:1)
Anybody get Opera working with OpenZaurus? (Score:1)
I've copied over all the files, but it segfaults.
At one time I saw a link to a howto, but can't find it now of course