Wireless Net on the Zaurus 103
An anonymous reader writes "Straight from infosync.no: "Sharp has announced the release of a wireless Internet package for Sharp Zaurus SL-5500 and SL-5000d. Using the Verizon Wireless CDPD network in US, the package includes a Compact Flash CDPD modem from Enfora, the necessary software, and a Verizon Wireless account"."
Its Huuuge (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Its Huuuge (Score:1)
Re:Its Huuuge (Score:1)
Also this:
Deutsche Telekom has proposed selling its U.S. wireless unit VoiceStream to Cingular Wireless, a combination which would rival market leader Verizon Wireless, the Wall Street Journal reported on Tuesday.
Apparently D. Telekom needs to pay some debt, and has to sell VoiceStream or so I have heard.
Not that any of that would affect the Zaurus setup, but it might...
CDPD? (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:CDPD? (Score:1)
I got one of Sprint's AirCard's about a year ago, and I was pleasantly surprised by the coverage in TX and CA. The speed was horrible, of course, only around 14.4 max. Plus it wasn't always-on, either.
Re:CDPD? (Score:2, Informative)
The Palm setup was a Vx with the Novatel Wireless sled. This, of course, was a bit less bulky than the iPAQ with the PC Card sled, and I liked the retractable antenna. However, unlike the iPAQ where you could charge both batteries simultaneously, you have to charge the Palm and the sled separately. Also it seemed like the Palm combo was just as vulnerable to network holes and spottiness.
I stopped using both accounts because of the inconveniences caused apparantly by the hardware's inability to hold on to a signal. What was gained in convenience by the small form factor was more than washed out by those problems. I would rather wait for a GSM+GPRS-based solution (only because I perceive GPRS to be both faster and less spotty, not because I have empirical data comparing the two).
HTH!
Re:CDPD? (Score:1)
Re:CDPD? (Score:2)
Sure, I used the Omnisky service for a couple of years. My take in brief: CDPD sucks.
They claim 19.2kbps; I rarely saw a quarter of that. But worse than that is the fact that you lose service if you're moving around very much ... e.g. in a car or on a train. Coverage is poor, too, even in major urban areas (e.g. Boston and New York City).
I had hoped to use the service to expand the capabilities of the palmtop device by allowing remote access to deep datastores (the web, of course, but also mail archives and personal files). The reality was that it was too slow and unreliable to use for anything but short data bursts ala AvantGo. I could only use it for e-mail in emergency situations, and it was next to worthless for the web both because of performance and display limitations.
The 2.5G network Verizon is rolling out may have a better shot at it. With much higher data rates and presumably better handling of cell migration it might just be good enough. Until then I'm using 802.11 despite its short range. CDPD is a bust.
What about Sprint? (Score:1)
Plus, sprint now offers 1xRT service, (BTW, this is not 3g as most ppl define it).
I've only played with it briefly at the Sprint store, but Sprint's phone service is pretty good around here (NYC/LI).
They're also offering a 3 mos. discount right now.
$40/mo unlimited for 19.2? (Score:2, Informative)
wow! compared to my ISP at 56K for $19.95... (Score:1)
Re:wow! compared to my ISP at 56K for $19.95... (Score:2)
Re:wow! compared to my ISP at 56K for $19.95... (Score:1)
It makes me think of what it used to say on early Jolt bottles: "Twice the caffeine and all the sugar." Too funny.
well yeah but... (Score:2)
Re:$40/mo unlimited for 19.2? (Score:1)
Re:$40/mo unlimited for 19.2? (Score:1)
Not in America - the coverage areas aren't nearly wide enough. Fatport is in Canada, for what it's worth.
New Verizon Commercial (Score:3, Funny)
Re:New Verizon Commercial (parent=Redundant) (Score:2)
(slinks away quietly)...
No GPS, though! (Score:2)
-russ
Re:No GPS, though! (Score:2)
By the way, the wireless modem is a CF serial device running PPP, a very conventional Linux networking device accessable by free software, not some proprietary BS with a closed driver.
I haven't figured out how to make the USB slave into a master yet, but it's probably possible. I just got a 1/2 Gig SD card, and an SMC 802 card usually lives in the CF slot when I'm home.
Bruce
Re:No GPS, though! (Score:1)
that wont eatup the CF slot.. and gets you similar
storage to the IBM microdrive.. gdamn that cool.
Re:No GPS, though! (Score:2)
Alas, no. The USB client is built into the CPU, and it can ONLY be a client. And yes, the serial port is still available, but cords are a Serious Pain in the Butt.
-russ
Re: No GPS, though! (Score:1)
I guess you'll have to put the GPS card in, figure out where you are, swap in the wireless card, and *then* browse the Internet. Easy, right?
People aleady use the Zaurus for wireless. (Score:1)
Is the news here that Sharp is providing internet access? Confused as to the news here.
Loomis
Re:People aleady use the Zaurus for wireless. (Score:2)
"Using the Verizon Wireless CDPD network in US..."
This isn't 802.11, it's wireless data like your cell phone gets. I.e. more coverage at slower speed and metered rates.
the evil Starbuck's.. (Score:4, Informative)
This isnt' worth the $30 a month they want for it, otherwise this is a seriously cool combination with a Zaurus. I could go to the mall and do my shopping. If I'm concerned about an item costing a little too much, I could run down to the Starbuck's (or just close to it...), fire up the Zaurus, and go check out the price at a place like Newegg.com. Even better, I can find out if a competitor is running a sale! Best Buy's site will let ya order the item from the web and pick it up in the store.
As I said, this isn't worth $30 a month to me, but that's a seriously cool alternative to trying to cover the US with a cellular-like WAP cloud.
Re:the evil Starbuck's.. (Score:1)
Every one of 'em in Dallas and Houston has had them for around a year. I've been a subscriber for quite a while, and it's a phenomenal service, but I wish it had better coverage in more airports.
Re:the evil Starbuck's.. (Score:2)
Ironic, everybody hates Starbuck's for being everywhere, but they may be our saviors when it comes to getting wireless broadband up.
Re:the evil Starbuck's.. (Score:2)
Yeah, but now they're preventing mom & pop places from going broke trying to make a service that's not quite as good! They're destroying America!
Re:the evil Starbuck's.. (Score:2)
Old News (Score:1)
I think they had almost every Starbucks covered.
The original company folded like a 10 high poker hand.
Day Late, I'm afraid... (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Day Late, I'm afraid... - Verizion 3G (Score:2, Insightful)
GSM/GPRS isn't the only choice. Verizion has good coverage now, Sprint's is almost everywhere.
Re:Day Late, I'm afraid... (Score:2)
err... that would be the GPRS bit, plain vanilla GSM maxes out between 9.6 and 14.4kbps
CDPD - Slow and outdated (Score:3, Informative)
Re:CDPD - Slow and outdated (Score:2)
Judging from the prices paid for the 3G spectrum licenses, it looks like the 3G providers were looking to extract ~$100 month per subscriber....
Battery Life (Score:4, Interesting)
Based on the size of this thing, it may have an additional battery on board. A few quick glances of the website did not make it appear that way.
Re:Battery Life (Score:1)
Re:Battery Life (Score:1)
Re:Battery Life (Score:2)
Re:Battery Life (Score:4, Informative)
I used one of these as part of the wireless beta. I got a good 2-3 hours out of a charge on the wireless battery and about 4-5 hours of constant use on the Z itself.
Re:Battery Life (Score:2)
Obviously, this saves a lot of power on the Zaurus because it doesn't have to manage its own long range cell connection. I do have to say though, that with GPRS, even the phone spent very little battery life, since you only spend energy (and money, hehe) when you are transferring data. I'm sure it would be different if I were downloading huge files, but if I'm just sitting in away-mode on Jabber I get very good mileage. And cheap too!
Re:Battery Life (Score:2)
Is it just me or... (Score:2)
Re:Is it just me or... (Score:2)
Re:Is it just me or... (Score:2)
Too little, too late. (Score:3, Interesting)
In the US, eh? (Score:2)
Does Sharp plan on selling this wireless package outside of North America? If so, then why can't any American just pick up the European GSM version of it, and use it here? Sure, the GSM version would need to support 1900 MHz... but Sharp does expect European users to roam, no?
That's unique (Score:2)
Well, actually, if the connection would not be "proxy based" - it could make a lot of sense - to have a always-on (even low bandwidth) connection in your pocket which does not suck your batteries in a second. But this "proxy based concept" seems to be the fun-spoiler and aimed to make your life more difficult when you actually would like to do something fun with it. Like making it more difficult to get an IP masquared for that.
I just bought the Enfora wireless portfolio. (Score:2, Interesting)
Obviously I won't be doing much C++/Java coding through it but it will be nice when I get a call out on the town and I need to fix production.
Much better than explaining the use of the 'top' command to find a run-away process to the new operations guy. (yes, I've had to do this).
Specifics about the modem (Score:3, Interesting)
My 1/2 Gigabyte SD card came in the mail today. I have an 802.11 card from SMC in the CF slot right now. I can ssh from my desktop to the palmtop.
I am about to put the OpenZaurus load on the machine instead of the partially-proprietary load it comes with.
Bruce
Re:Specifics about the modem (Score:1)
Quick primer on CDPD (Score:5, Informative)
The CDPD system involves sending short, relatively low speed data bursts over a voice channel of standard North American Analog Phone Service (AMPS). This allows a standard AMPS system to carry CDPD with little retrofitting of the cell towers, whereas GPRS requires a whole new system. Given that your average cell site runs about US$1M, that adds up very quickly.
CDPD is a CS/A TDMA system (Collision Sense/Collision Avoidance Time Domain Multiple Access) system - Multiple users transmit on the same frequency at different times, much like Ethernet.
CDPD is in common use for vending machines, electric meters, and other systems that need to report relatively little information.
When it first came out, years ago, I thought "YOU IDIOTS! You are pricing this PER PACKET - it will never sell. Price it flat rate and people will eat it up!" Guess what - now they are starting to look at pricing it flat rate, and it is now becoming attractive!
CDPD operates in the 800MHz US Cellular band. It can use encryption based on RSA.
I had done some work on a CDPD tester [navair.ca] in the past.
is this like GPRS or? (Score:1)
my bro has a zaurus and even with just a clumsy gsmphone(with flat rate gprs) connected with ir it's attractive as hell(tho should be much more user friendly when/if he gets the bluetooth card for it), ssh&opera everywhere!
is there similar lag in this system? accessing pine through ssh is like you're on 9.6kbps modem, transfer speeds average around ~8kbytes/s when moving files though so it's pretty snappy, plugin the card from camera, click, leave it to u'l the pictures to home during night, blam, your all ready on the morning for another phototrip.
Re:is this like GPRS or? (Score:2)
ssh. The missing feature. (Score:2, Interesting)
Sure imap and web browsing are neat tools for sales guys but what I really want is a way to login analyze and fix a problem with a server from anywhere.
The scenareio would go something like this:
Use remote server monitoring software to check on my server.
Re:ssh. The missing feature. (Score:2)
Re:ssh. The missing feature. (Score:1)
Re:ssh. The missing feature. (Score:2)
my experience w/PDAs and CF expansion. (Score:2)
I have been recently excited about getting a wireless CF LAN card (after rebate they are in the $35 - $40 range at BestBuy and Circuit City). Problem here is that the machine itself comes w/little on-board space and my large storage comes from ANOTHER CF card.
So, without two CF card slots (I always found laptops w/only one PCMCIA slot annoying as well) this machine is not very good for any sort of Internet connection.
When the machines come w/1G on board or a second CF slot for my Microdrive, I will make another PDA purchase.
Re:my experience w/PDAs and CF expansion. (Score:2)
Personally, the service has some appeal, but the battery life on the Zaurus is far too short. Still, it's proven useful for WarWalking with a CF 802.11b card.
Have to agree with the general consensus though. 19.2K (max) is far too slow for the modern web, though if I can ssh through the proxies I could actually get some work done while sitting in traffic...
Re:my experience w/PDAs and CF expansion. (Score:1)
Zaurus and Wireless (Score:1, Interesting)
http://www.verizonwireless.com/mobile_ip/svc_avai
Not much to talk about. They say most major US cities. How did they come to that?
I already have wireless (Score:2)
How is the Zaurus doing? (Score:2)
Re:How is the Zaurus doing? (Score:2)
Now I just started using it, but I've got to say, this thing is awesome! I probably wouldn't recommend it to someone new to PDAs though. In all honesty, the PIM (calendar, addressbook, etc.) applications included are kinda week. They're okay, but they're not as polished as what I'm used to with a Palm. The multimedia features are very impressive, but best of all is that you have an entire _real_ OS to work with. I've got apache and mysql running on it now. I can use a VNC client on my Zaurus to connect to my servers. I mean, come on, what else could you want?
While I don't expect the Zaurus to outpace Palm anytime soon, if Sharp keeps developing it, then I expect it to be a real contender. Oh, and there is a fairly active development community too. Try zauruszone [zauruszone.com] for example. And there are some good replacements for the week PIM apps that come with it ( thekompany has some really nice ones for a couple dollars too).
19.2 kbps? (Score:1)
Zaurus CDPD (Score:1)
CDPD vs. GPRS (Score:1)
no cell phone plugin? (Score:2, Insightful)
I'm getting tired of carrying both and a "unification" is past due.
enough ranting...later!
Slashdot on a Zaurus (Score:1)
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Fix the keyboard! (Score:2)
I tried a Zaurus at LinuxWorld and really wanted to buy it. It was on sale for $299, and my wife was standing next to me.
My wife said, "Buy it if you want it." But I just couldn't.
After ten minutes of futzing, I couldn't type on it. I have small hands, and I use a Motorola T900, which has a tiny keyboard too, but there's a big difference in usability between them, and even though it was clear that day that the Zaurus would have a superior wireless solution, better apps, and the coolness factor of opening up an xterm (qtterm?), I just couldn't buy it.
My fingers even actually hurt from trying to reach the number keys, which are sandwiched about 2 millimeters away from the edge and almost impossible to press. The keys themselves are oddly peg-shaped, uncomforably to press, and reminded me of the Commodore PET and the TI 99/4 chiclets.
Sharp, please benchmark against the T900 and Blackberry and try to make the keyboard more usable on the next version.
Re:Fix the keyboard! (Score:1)
Hold the Zaurus with both hands, then use your thumbs like its a gameboy.
Works really nicely.
Re:Fix the keyboard! (Score:2)
All well and good, except where's verizon? (Score:2)
Putting CDPD on Your Zaurus... (Score:2)
... is like putting an Archer 8-track stereophonic in your new Lexus. Sound comes out, but it's just plain wrong.
CDPD and PDAs (Score:1, Insightful)
I have been a CDPD subscriber for several years now. Infact, i am currently on a CDPD connection as of this posting. It has been a very reliable service for me in the Seattle area -- both in coverage and in up-time. I have used this service on both my palm pilot and laptop.
My palm pilot experience was probably the best. Since most web browsers on the palm made use of compression proxies, load times were as snappy as a modem. SSH, telnet, email, etc. from the palm was very responsive. I have done circuit turnups and various other network engineering tasks from this device without fail. Switch techs would sometimes ask what all that noise was....id be driving one day, or at the mall the next...it was a riot.
19.2kbps on a laptop isnt all that bad either. I am able to surf the web, IRC, check email, use various instant messaging clients, SSH, webcam, etc. from my laptop with little trouble. Plus, i can do this from the car, plane, bus, park, etc.
As a network engineer (and frequently being "on call") this service has been a life saver countless times.
Until recently, there has no real alternative. Especially with the wide footprint CDPD provides. Circuit switched is expensive, 802.11b coverage is non-existant, and GPRS is expensive and immature. My GPRS experiences have been absolutely horrible -- enough for me to cancel service.
CDPD is unlimited, cheap, and although a little slow, completely bareable. And when no internet is my alternative, i choose CDPD.
You guys can dog CDPD all you want, but I love it!
CDPD is unbearably slow (Score:1)
See the truth (Score:2, Informative)
zaurus 802.11 heaven (Score:1)
Re:zaurus 802.11 heaven (Score:1)
Re:- 1 ?? (Score:2)