Aluminum Server Case Review 290
Anonymous Coward writes: "Hi guys, Here is a review of the Lian Li PC626, which is a server case made entirely out of aluminium.
Unex from Belgium :)" Or aluminum, which is the only proper spelling, of course. Are these cases actually worth the premium price? I may be having heat problems (for the first time) with our latest PC purchase, so I'm suddenly more interested in cooling...
Al ? (Score:1)
water cooled cases (Score:1)
Re:Al ? (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Al ? (Score:2, Informative)
If you look around that (or any other) overclocking site, you'll find more cooling info than you could shake a stick at. In fact, I'm installing [overclockersonline.com] [overclockersonline.com] such a system as we speak.
Re:Al ? (Score:2)
Re:Al ? (Score:2)
Aluminum scores very well in both, but copper is more transmissive and less conductive. If you've ever soldered on heavy copper you've probably felt the pain of soldering one land only to desolder one nearby...
This is exactly why the best pots are copper-bottomed: even heat transfer.
Re:Al ? (Score:2, Interesting)
What's even worse is trying to solder a heavy gauge copper conductor. (e.g. AWG No. 6) You can't get the solder to flow because the copper transmits all of the heat right out of the iron and away from what you're trying to solder... You practically need a propane torch to get it right... This is why electricians rely on heavy duty compression lugs instead of trying to solder. For really heavy duty connections (like grounding and bonding with AWG 4/0), exothermic welding (similar to thermite) is used to generate enough heat to make a good connection. (OK, slightly OT, but it illustrates how well copper transmits heat...)
--z
Re:Al ? (Score:2)
It's the steel heatsinks that you don't see that get you, like where some TV's horizontal output transistors are mounted on a steel bracket that doesn't dissipate heat quite fast enough for that particular transistor after it's got a few years on it.
Re:Al ? (Score:1)
soo... it would transfer heat away from the inside, thus cooling the interior..
Actually (Score:1, Informative)
aluminum ? (Score:1)
Re:aluminum ? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:you're such an idiot (Score:2)
Color = American spelling Colour = UK spelling
That was the point you moron. Aluminum = American spelling, Aluminium = UK spelling.
Re:aluminum ? (Score:4, Informative)
Sir Humphrey first called it alumium, then aluminum, and finally aluminium. Somehow the Americans ended up calling it by the intermediate name and it stuck.
Re:aluminum ? (Score:2, Funny)
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Aluminium vs. Aluminum: The Real Story (Score:2, Informative)
Before the 20th century, aluminium, while very common in the earth's crust, was extremely rare in it's metallic form. The reason was that no one could figure out a cheap way to convert it from ore form (bauxite) to a metal. Once a process was discovered to do this cheaply, new companies started up refine and manufacture aluminium products.
One of these companies, the Aluminium Corporation Corporation of America, forerunner of Alcoa, sent an order out to a printer for stationary, forms, etc. Somewhere along the line, someone dropped the 'i' and everything wound up getting printed up as "aluminum". The company decided, since not that many people had ever heard of the stuff, to go with the new spelling instead of going through the expense of having everthing reprinted. There it is: a spelling mistake that got institutionalized (institutionalised for the Brits).
This is not unique: The national park up in Maine, Acadia, is called that because when the first maps were made of the park, the mapmaker dropped the r in Arcadia. The Park Service decided to just go with it instead of reprinting the maps.
Also, here's the reason we are not the United States of Columbia: A few years after Columbus landed in the New World, another Italian, Amerigo Vespucci, was running around Europe claiming he disovered the New World. German mapmakers (the best in the world at the time)had nothing else to go on and started making maps based on his descriptions. They then misspelled his name as America and that's what got put on all the maps.
Re:aluminum ? (Score:2, Informative)
Thankfully Webster kept Franklin from doing what he wished, which was dropping all the silent letters in words. Then things would have been really screwed up.
'Though, we'd have more literate Americans.
(And I'm thinking my karma's going to take a beating from that...)
Re:aluminum ? (Score:2)
However, 'rowter' has stuck in N-A, so I guess its here to stay.
Common usage has a lot to do with spelling and pronunciation in English, which is why its different in Canada from the U.K. and Jersey from Tennessee from Texas.
$600? (Score:1)
This is a luxury item. Total overkill.
Re:$600? (Score:1)
I agree. I don't see how making the case out of aluminum makes its cooling effect any better. As a previous poster said, only the convection currents ever touch it. Even if it does, is it worth $600?
Does anyone know of any tests that have been done to rate the cooling efficeny of cases based on their metal composition?
PC Power & Cooling are just badge engineers (Score:3, Interesting)
Take for example their full tower case. The PC Power & Cooling full tower case [pcpowercooling.com] is just a California PC full tower case [calpc.com] with a different bezel on the front & an inflated price tag.
Its the same with every product they sell, for example their mid tower case is the same as one of the big OEMs (I forget which brand) with a different bezel & again an inflated price tag.
Their heatsinks & powersupplies are no different.
I remember when they used to sell a 275 watt 'Silencer' powersupply. It turns out it was just a generic 300 watt powersupply that was just de-rated to cope with the retro-actively fitted low speed so-called 'Silencer' fan (I think just a slow speed Adda fan).
Re:PC Power & Cooling are just badge engineers (Score:2)
I'd also be surprised if they didn't outsource their case production. I have bought midtower cases from them and they're solid, well-designed, no-nonsense cases. Had I known more about these nice aluminum cases I'd have gone with one of those instead, though.
Check these links out (Score:3, Informative)
Lian Li PC-70 aluminium full tower computer case [dansdata.com]
Lian Li PC-76 server case [dansdata.com]
Lian Li PC-60 computer case [dansdata.com]
Coolermaster ATC-201SX alloy case [coolermaster.com]
Lian Li HDD Caddie Page [lian-li.com]
RH-620 Alloy HDD Caddie [lian-li.com]
RH-600 Alloy HDD Caddie [lian-li.com]
RH-29 Alloy HDD Caddie [lian-li.com]
Yeah right (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Yeah right (Score:1)
Re:Yeah right (Score:1)
Shouldn't that be bastardization, not bastardisation? :p
And yeah of course I'm only doing this to be annoying. :)
Periodic table: Na=Natrium (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Periodic table: Na=Natrium (Score:2)
on topic: tweakbox [tweakbox.com] is a good canuckian supplier for things like the Lian Li cases.
Re:Yeah right (Score:1)
Re:Yeah right (Score:1)
Re:Yeah right (Score:1)
However, I would not like to read Scottish or Geordie English language books (I have seen one) written as it is spoke.
Americans say "alu-min-um", we say "Alu-min-ium", so strangely enough, this word is spelt pretty much as it is said in both countries.
Olde Englishe is written much more as it is spoken. Some motherf*cker obviously decided to f*ck up the language and spell things differently at some point in history (must have been an arts student, they have not better use for their time), and it stayed that way. C*nt.
Monster Magnet Rule.
its aeroplane (Score:2)
Re:Yeah right (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Hell, we call it that just to piss you folks of (Score:1, Insightful)
Dig down people.... (Score:1)
Overheating indicator (Score:2, Funny)
John: Hey Sid? Wanna check out my new Athlon? It's overclocked something awful.
Sid: Yeah, cool. What's that white fire in your room?
John yells some incomprehensible syllables (mostly vowels), grabs the fishtank and runs to the fire
Sid: Hey John! That might be a bad id...
Boom
Ah well... At least they don't make fire extinguishers out of aluminium...
Re:Overheating indicator (Score:1)
> Sid: What's that white fire in your room?
> Boom
Isnt that with Kalium (Potassium, K)?
now that would be interesting
Re:Overheating indicator (Score:1, Informative)
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1st time I've MySQL /.'ed (Score:1)
CoolerMaster (Score:4, Informative)
Re:CoolerMaster (Score:2)
You can find it at Directron [yahoo.com]. I love these guys - they're usually the first or only to sell some of the more esoteric stuff.
They had removable aluminum U66/U100 IDE drive trays, USB 2.0 external drive cases, etc well before anyone. The prices have consistently been near the best on pricewatch, and delivery's been quick - can't say enough good about 'em.
And no, I don't work there or even know the guys running it.
Re:CoolerMaster (Score:2)
procooling.com has a good review [procooling.com] about it.
Anybody have any experience with it?
Obligatory Karma Whoring... (Score:2, Informative)
Shayne
Re:CoolerMaster (Score:2)
It's AluminIum (Score:1)
Re:It's AluminIum (Score:1)
But what if... (Score:1)
It's the British spelling (Score:1, Offtopic)
n. Chiefly British
Variant of aluminum.
Sheesh, /. really is US centric. This is the common spelling and pronunciation in many countries. I know it's off topic, but someone had to say it. Incorrect spelling, huh :)!
Re:It's the British spelling (Score:1)
Re:It's the British spelling (Score:2)
Aluminium was the officially accepted spelling here in the US too, until 1925, see the
Los Alamos National Laboratory Periodic Table entry for Element 13 [lanl.gov]
Cool! (Score:1, Interesting)
I submitted this months ago and it was rejected!
graspee
Fighting Obsolescence (Score:5, Insightful)
My biggest justification for the extra $$ spent to get the cases was this: I go through hardware like mad, but the one thing that will remain constant in my systems for the next few years is my case. It is an investment that will undoubtedly be in my top performance machine for years to come. If you can reccommend another purchase to fight hardware obsolescence as effectively, I'm all ears.
Weight (Score:2, Interesting)
If you go to a lot of lans or move your box from place to place a lot aluminum is the only way to go.
In Belgium (Score:2, Informative)
Actually, aluminium is the only proper spelling in Belgium: in French, in Flemish, and even in German. For once we all agree on something!
Lian Li Cases (Score:3, Informative)
Lian Li PC-60 case Re:Lian Li Cases (Score:2, Interesting)
I don't believe it ... (Score:1)
It'd be even weirder if there actually was a mistake though, and not just a regional difference. I guess the world's not going to end just yet.
Re:I don't believe it ... (Score:1)
Re:I don't believe it ... (Score:2)
Perhaps it's just a /. editor making a joke.
Certainly not a sign of the apocalypse, or if it is, we're all doomed :)
Slashdotted! (Score:4, Insightful)
My Lian-LI Case (Score:1, Interesting)
I would definitely recomend this case to anyone who opens ub thier box often, it is wonderful to work on.
Slashdot the manufacturer (Score:1, Informative)
Slashdotted (Score:1)
Un-Slashdotted (Score:1)
Supermicro cases (Score:2, Informative)
Yeah, I know they're just OEMs, the SC-750 is actually made by some other company (which I can't recall now), but anyway if it was picked by Supermicro then it must be very high quality.
Also, Supermicro always bundles high-quality power supplies, an increasingly important point with the powerhogs that are Dual Athlons and Xeons. In my case, the Sparkle FSP300-60GT -- hasn't failed yet (and the load's high on it, believe me, plus it's 24/7), and should be enough power for most needs. Unless you're building the ultimate peltier/watercooling rig.
I have one of these (Score:3, Informative)
I got sick of all those garbage $50 cases made out of stamped metal with the razorblade sharp inside edges, cheaply riveted together.
The Lian Li case looks good (especially with Tux, Gnu, and Linux stickers on it!). More importantly, it fit my motherboard perfectly (a dual Slot 1 Tyan) and the drive cage at the bottom is PERFECT for a small RAID setup. I've got four 60 GB Maxtors stacked in there, and with the twin drive cooling fans right in front of them they don't even get warm to the touch. (I have a lot of MP3 and OGG files...) The cooling works well for the twin 800 Mhz CPUS as well.
The whole case comes apart with thumbscrews. You can pull out the power supply, the motherboard, all the drive cages... very quick and easy.
Best of all, even with all those fans it isn't too loud. The twin cooling fans on the front have a three-way switch that lets you adjust the speed (and noise) as appropriate for your cooling needs. I have mine at max speed, and I still have no trouble sleeping next to it.
PC60 not bad (Score:2, Informative)
Concerning the cooling - well with all those fans it should be allright, and until now I've experienced no problems with my Athlon 1.33, GeforceGTS2 etcetera.
Apart from that, I myself can't really measure the difference to other cases. Of course both cases emit some noise (because of the fans), which is tolerable at least for the PC60. As you know, both good cooling and little noise are hard to get, so if your priority lies on the latter you might want to try another case.
On the whole, I'd recommend - for the average user - the PC60, whereas the PC70 is not designed for regular hardware fiddling and a bit too loud.
Wether the PC60 is worth the extra money ? Well, I don't know. But it sure is a nice case.
Spelling... (Score:1)
International standard spelling (Score:1)
In 1761 de Morveau proposed the name "alumine" for the base in alum. In 1807, Humphrey Davy proposed the name alumium for the metal, undiscovered at that time, and later agreed to change it to aluminum. Shortly thereafter, the name aluminium was adopted by IUPAC to conform with the "ium" ending of most elements.
Aluminium was first isolated by Hans Christian Oersted in 1825.
Aluminium is the IUPAC spelling and therefore the international standard. Aluminium was also the accepted spelling in the U.S.A. until 1925, at which time the American Chemical Society decided to revert back to aluminum, and to this day Americans still refer to aluminium as "aluminum".
So, although it wasn't discovered, named or isolated in America, a group of American Chemists randomly decided to use the SECOND name Humphrey Davy gave to an element he hadn't yet isolated, even though he changed his mind later.
Hmmm.
review of 4 Al-cases (Score:2, Informative)
- Coolermaster ATC-200, Coolermaster ATC-201-SX, Lian Li PC-60, Lian Li PC-61 -
in dutch and in english at:
http://www.mcdos.nl/consumenten/paginas/nieuws/
(from: GamePC, 21 April, 2001).
one quote:
"The ATC-200 still stands as one of the best aluminium cases on the market,
despite being more than a year old."
So, by now, it is at least one and a half year old allready!
Perhaps I'm getting old, (Score:2)
If your boxen is running too hot, start with the basics. Clean the clutter - round your cables, bundle wire, and have airflow (not to be confused with tons of fans just making noise). If you are carving blow holes or doing other mods, the steel in these cases are a lot easier to work with than aluminum. Ducting can help with hot spots as well.
Course, nothing says I have money to blow out of my ass like a shiny aluminum chassis.... there is that. A good 3U setup will bring the proper googling, however...
More Lian Li reviews (Score:5, Informative)
PC-76 server case [dansdata.com]
PC-70 full tower [dansdata.com]
PC-31 mini-tower [dansdata.com]
PC-60 midi-tower [dansdata.com]
UM vs IUM (Score:2, Interesting)
Actually, it appears Aluminium is the more correct spelling, considering the British guy who found it settled on the -ium ending himself. There's a whole article devoted to the subject at World Wide Words [quinion.com].
Non-Cooling Benefits of Alumin(i)um Case -- Weight (Score:2, Interesting)
I bought a Lian-Li case because I was building a computer as a gift, and I thought it looked really slick. When it arrived, though I was shocked by how light it was -- just under 6 Kg without mobo/powersupply/etc. I've since bought 3 more for computers that I frequently move, and it really makes a difference. I am not uncomfortable carrying 2 or even all 3 of them at once (comfort including fear of dropping, that is).
Yes, they cost significantly more. They are also significantly more convienient if you have to open them up frequently. Are they better a cooling? I suspect that, for the difference in price between a "standard" case and a Lian-Li AL case, you could buy fans, etc. that would make more of a difference. Even their large server cases are refreshingly light. These cases are definitely not for everyone, but if you need a large, light, accessible, and sturdy case, I don't know of anything better.
(and if you know of anything better, I'd like to hear about it... these are awfully expensiveRe:Non-Cooling Benefits of Alumin(i)um Case -- Wei (Score:2)
How do they hold up against scratches and brushes? I'll be the first to admit that I am kinda rough with the cases that I throw into my trunk all the time. I'd really be afraid that the case would look horrible after just a few of my moves.
Is this an issue?
Recycled Aluminum? (Score:2)
I don't see any of these cases claiming to use recycled aluminum and I can't image there would be a less quality using it compared to virgin aluminum. So, is there a recycled aluminum case?
Spelling??? (Score:3, Insightful)
"Or aluminum, which is the only proper spelling, of course"
Please, tell me, when did slashdot even give the slightest consideration to spelling? Does this means the editors will *gasp* spell check their witty comments, polls, and other writings? Oh please, tell me it ain't so!
Spelling as tool of military conquest (Score:5, Insightful)
The use of spelling in this way goes back to the very founding of America. In early secret sessions of the Congress, it was decided to deliberately change certain spellings, at that time as an irritation to the British. The King's court in England would be plunged into a grammatical outrage when receiving a communication from the American colony, containing strategic abuses of the King's English. This prompted the King to send troops to whip the colonies into shape, which in turn inspired ordinary American colonists to rise up and throw off their oppressor's yoke.
This is why the "spelling bee" is such an important feature of America's education system. As any boy can tell you, "bee" is for "bomb". Indoctrinating young Americans to misspell is the secret weapon which America has used to devastating effect against its enemies, who are so flummoxed by the apparent illiteracy of their opponent that they forget to watch for incoming Tomahawks. Misspellings are behind some of the key events which have shaped our history. Next time you see a /. editor use "then" instead of "than", turn on your TV - the consequences are sure to follow swiftly.
Re:Spelling??? (Score:2)
Slashdot: where the coders can't implement a built in spell check.
Lian-Li PC+61 USB (Score:2, Informative)
Cultural spelling reference (Score:2)
Canada is (as usual) comfortably wedged between the Brit and American columns of the table -- sometimes Canucks use the Brit spelling exclusively, sometimes they use the American one exclusively, and sometimes they use both. How diplomatic!
Re:Cultural spelling reference (Score:2)
Can't we all just agree that the constants with gray/gray should just be one thing? I don't care what we all decide on, but if my compiler balks on a "Undefined Constant" just for a color/colour again, I'm gonna invent a symbol and get it shoved in the Unicode standard just to represent the midway between black-and-white. We can call it the "Color Previsouly Known as the Often Misspelled Color Between Black and White." or we can just call it "the Color" for short.
Thermodynamics (Score:2)
Al may be light and slick-looking, but it's not really a thermal improvement over steel. If you really want to improve heat transfer through the case, try these:
Re:Thermodynamics (Score:2)
The real reason, though, is that pretty much any paint is going to have a negative effect on your thermal characteristics. You really need to anodize metal for radiant effect, and even then the performance difference is tiny.
Thumb screw problems... (Score:2)
There are times when I just want to build my own case. I wonder where I can find sheet titanium... (Actually, you used to be able to get scraps from Boeing. Probably not big enough to build a case and too damn hard to work. Have to talk to my father-in-law. He has a metal shop.)
Love my Coolermaster ATC201 (Score:2)
I've gotten many comments like "Wow that is a badass case" since I built this machine. Hell, my girlfriend even thought it looked cool, and she is not anything close to a geek
Beyond that, it runs 15 degrees cooler than some of my friends computers, and that is without any crazy fans.
I did put in an Enermaz power supply. I have been very happy with the setup.
Re:I love my aluminum rackmount (Score:2)
Re:gold (Score:2)
{on topic reply, semi-off topic for the catagory}
We do. It is called Overrated. But the score is -1, sadly.
(/gomer pyle voice) You're gonna burn in hell for that one!(/end gpv)
Anywho, back on topic.
Trying to read the review, same as others, I'm getting the MySQL error.
It was pointed out that for a server case 600 dollars is not that bad. And inferring from other post, if I may, it is strong, light and has excellent cooling properties/abilities.
This is an excellent value when you consider the commodity market of today's PC hardware.
16K for a Proliant, true, but it makes you wonder how much went into the case?
Even a wild guess would put it at a 1k to 2k mark, leaving the other 14k for hardware and other components and software.
Kind of makes that 600 bucks pale in comparison, plus the {god, I hate to sound like a marketer} "added value" of having "standars compliant" bays, connectors, MB trays and mounts.
I mean, really now, adding memory to a Dell...gotta go to {almot typed goto, shudder) dell, need a newer/better mobo? ain't gonna happen unless you get the dremel tool out.
These are excellent looking and functioning cases, but, I've always been partial to the Enlight series of cases, myself, for workstation/general configs, but, for servers I just might have to look into these.
Re:Been thinking about this (Score:2)
Re:Electro-magnetic insulation (Score:2)
Re:Clearing Up The Spelling Confusion (Score:2)
Re:Clearing Up The Spelling Confusion (Score:2)
From Alcoa's own site is this bit of history: [alcoa.com]
Why the difference between Aluminium/Aluminum - (Score:2)
It is properly called aluminIum, because the -Ium suffix denotes a metallic element.
Yhe entire English-Speaking world calls it aluminium, but since we are dodos, we insist on alumminum. Probably easier to say.
Re:Heat (Score:2)
Re:Aluminum derived from alumina? (Score:2)
At least, that's what I was told.
Cheers,
Tim