New Wireless Handhelds On The Way 133
Imran writes: "Palm and Handspring have both received regulatory approval for three new wireless devices. According to documents filed with the FCC, the Palm i705 will have a built-in antenna, a universal connector for add-ons and syncing, and a postage stamp-size Secure Digital expansion slot. There will also be new features aimed at making e-mail a key function of the device. Handspring's devices, the Treo k180 (which has a keyboard similar to that of the BlackBerry) and Treo g180, can surf the Internet using Handspring's Blazer browser. They feature a 33MHz Dragonball VZ processor, 16MB of DRAM and rechargeable batteries. Both can connect to a PC using a USB or serial cable. The cover of each device flips up and acts as the earpiece for the phone, while a microphone is located at the bottom of each unit."
Dragonball VZ? (Score:2, Offtopic)
Re:Dragonball VZ? (Score:1)
Re:Dragonball VZ? (Score:2, Informative)
from the stuff-to-lose dept. (Score:1)
I think that should be:
from the Department of Redundancy Department.
Re:Dragonball VZ? (Score:1)
You'll pay for that remark. Just give me about 9 episodes to charge up my attack, and your history punk!
Re:Dragonball VZ? (Score:1)
Re:Dragonball VZ? (Score:1)
Besides, dragonball doesn't suck
Hehe trunks will check my email and vegeta will yell at me until I get all my to-do's done...
Old news, wrong news (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Old news, wrong news (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Old news, wrong news (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Old news, wrong news (Score:2)
[nod] That's the story, though it seems kind of silly. With stuff like this, there's no such thing as temporarily public. The info is out there now, changing the status of the FCC application won't change that.
Re:Old news, wrong news (Score:5, Informative)
Um, not for long... (Score:1, Redundant)
And according to this [theregister.co.uk] article, the approval has been immediately retracted by request. Nice try...
Re:who cares?? (Score:1)
Yes, the early adopters were nerds and geeks, but I think if you bought one now, you aren't considered an "early adopter". They are close to mainstream now--no one stops in amazement if you pull out a Palm III.
And as for all this about how "no one wants a whole computer in their pocket", I happen to like having a lot of power in my pocket (in the computing sense, and otherwise).
Re:who cares?? (Score:2)
Charge-N-Run [chargeandrun.com]
Are you just trolling ? (Score:1)
No one wants to have a whole computer in their pocket
I do. The thing I like about the first Palms is that they were computers, not just PDAs. Sure, I bought one because I wanted a PDA, and I bought a Palm PDA because they had better HotSync than any others, but the reason I'm still using them today is because they're also a quite useful pocket computer. I calculate IP netmasks and tide timetables on mine. I can even write my own programs to convert video tape timecodes (and other personal weirdness).
Moore's law for bandwidth is increasing at a slower rate than processing power. I think Palms have a limited lifetime (in their current incarnation) but the future is going to be more like a desktop PC (thicker clients), not like a Blackberry (limited and task-specific).
We'd better all learn to bend over and squeal like a piggy, because there's a real risk that the "Palm of the Future" might be a Windows-spawn gadget, horrible prospect though that is.
So show me one company that is giving out Palms to their employees.
How many do you want ? Even today, I know at least six local companies doing this, and they're suits, not nerds.
Re:who cares - we do!! (Score:1)
We've found the Palms to be so enormously helpful to clergy doing the sort of everyday work that clergy do - visiting the sick, dealing with relationship crises, making calls - that for those who don't have a secretary, the Bishop is personally buying Palms and giving them away.
I'll take credit for the idea - my palm with my calendar (linked to Outlook) and parish phone directory (linked to our parish database) has saved my bacon more times than I want to count - especially when we've got a real emergency (e.g. dying parishioner, relatives to be gathered, advance directives to be followed etc...
-Nick+
Re:who cares?? (Score:1)
RIM isn't the future, it's a starting point and wireless PDA's will do everything that RIM does, and more.
Re:SIM card? (Score:1)
The PocketPC with a GPRS sleeve or PC Card give me full up wireless access to the real Internet. Replace the iPAQ's OS with Linux if you really want. Personally, I use it all the time but I'm just lucky to actually have early access to the gear.
Pocket PC (Score:1)
Re:Pocket PC (Score:1, Funny)
Re:Pocket PC (Score:1)
I'm replying on the persons behalf, but neither. CE 3.0 devices are generally very fast, very intuitive, and in the UK there's PocketPC/cellphone integrated devices for sale in high street stores. These are also GPRS (2.5G) compatible. Obviously there are exceptions but some people would say palm devices suck as well.
I know people don't want to talk about CE 3.0, but everybody is completely missing the wood for the trees by touting this as a technological advance. It's already been done for months and months. And it's been done well.
thenerd.
Treo k180 - with keyboard? Why bother... (Score:2)
[Next issue] Generally, I think the PalmOS enabled phones have a lot more promise as wireless devices go. The PDAs without connectivity were useful in their own right, but adding connectivity of this sort - counter-intuitively - doesn't add that much value when compared with a cell phone having the same feature set, for aproximately the same price. And besides, Cell service providers are still subsidizing the hardware, so you get more for your money. Palm needs to concentrate on improving this aspect of the PalmOS platform's capabilities with reard to use within cellular phone hardware.
Whatever happened to Palm's plan to exit the hardware business and become the 'Microsoft of Handheld Devices' anyway? This was an announced strategy back when a bunch of their hardware designers quit and founded handspring...
--CTH
Re:Treo k180 - with keyboard? Why bother... (Score:2)
Well, something like 98% of Palm's revenue comes from the sale of hardware, and what's left from PalmOS licensees. They did recently spin off a subsidiary [prnewswire.com] to handle PalmOS and licensing it. Now Palm proper is just a hardware company.
Re:Treo k180 - with keyboard? Why bother... (Score:2)
Treo k180 - keyboard will be a big feature (Score:1)
I predict that this device will be a big hit with my mom, who likes to play games on my Handsring but can't enter her name for the high-score list!
More than for just technophobes (Score:2)
Re:More than for just technophobes (Score:1)
Named after a pain-killer? (Score:2, Funny)
I wonder if there's some marketing gimmick in naming a wireless device after a well-known pain-killer (Treo). Most wireless devices I've tried have regularly been so furiously limited that I had to use pain-killers after using the device...
Similar Symbian products? (Score:1)
I know that both Ericsson and Nokia are a big partners - this this is their neck of the woods, - and that the new OS has wireless fuctionality, but I don't know of any solid hardware in development.
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Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life
Re:Similar Symbian products? (Score:1)
The site was down when I was checking, so here is the Google Cache [google.com]
Re:Similar Symbian products? (Score:1)
Re:Similar Symbian products? (Score:2, Funny)
I knew Europe was a little more sexually free than the United States, but how the hell are you supposed to get any work done?
The built-in microphone... (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:The built-in microphone... (Score:1)
Re:The built-in microphone... (Score:2)
That said, it might be possible to build a simple module to connect the microphone to the rest of the visor. All the Perl scripts in the world won't help me there, though, so someone else will have to do it.
Re:The built-in microphone... (Score:1)
I'm too lazy to look for the exact links, but I'm sure you'll find an answer at palmgear [palmgear.com] or on Handspring's site [handspring.com].
The only Palm OS devices that have voice recording built-in is the kickass Handera 330 [handera.com] (but no mp3 to date) and maybe some high-end Sony Clié.
/max
Re:The built-in microphone... (Score:1)
Todd
Re:The built-in microphone... (Score:1)
/max
Try again on October 15... (Score:1)
Oh boy (Score:1, Insightful)
The "Old" VisorPhones (Score:5, Informative)
Re:The "Old" VisorPhones (Score:2)
If you don't own a Visor, you get a VisorPhone free with the purchase of any Visor.
Seems like a great deal, as an admin, wireless net access is a godsend. I've been using my Vx with the Skytel Minstrel for about 6 months now, mainly for SSH and AIM. It's great to be able to pull something out of your pocket and restart a server if you get paged without having to drive to the nearest net connection...
REALLY. (Score:2)
Re: REALLY. (Score:1)
Re:REALLY. (Score:2)
Re:The "Old" VisorPhones (Score:1)
I'd jump over to the Visors in a second if I knew that they use a regular TCP/IP network for wireless connectivity and if I heard that they've improved the problem with their LCDs breaking so easily...
Re:The "Old" VisorPhones (Score:1)
Well, if you're limiting "convergant device" to the marriage of a cell phone and PDA, I'd say the honor goes to the Qualcomm pdQ [cnn.com], which was a full blown Palm device inside a cell phone, in a convenient brick-like form factor. ;-)
Re:The "Old" VisorPhones (Score:1)
I've owned one for about 3 weeks. It supports .pqas, as well as apps that access other things directly, like web browsing, POP/IMAP email, NNTP, etc. It has a screen similar to the Palm 105 (smallish, B&W), but I find it's not any worse than other Palm screens.
Service is available through Verizon and Sprint at the moment and the phone costs around $500.
Some of my dislikes:
Things I like:
Todd
Why GSM? (Score:2)
Re:Why GSM? (Score:1)
Although 3G is based on current CDMA technologies, it is so far away right now that, in effect, it is a moot point. Look at it this way (from a North American viewpoint, anyways) - 3G is currently a very, very developmental technology in Europe right now (currently only available in the Isle of Man, I believe), so it'll be years before its available as a cellular communication standard. Companies would be crazy to release a product for it now.
Keep in mind that anytime you see anybody using a mobile phone in Europe, Asia, or Australia, they are using a GSM phone. Too the best of my knowledge, I don't believe that there are any CDMA networks in Europe anywhere. Can anyone verify that for me?
Re:Why GSM? (Score:1)
Re:Why GSM? (Score:2)
Re:Why GSM? (Score:1)
Doing GSM in the US makes sense as they are now rolling out GSM networks (the US is a couple of years behind Europe, here 30% of the population has one(if not higher)) and ramping up users is still needed.
However I'm planning to replace my palm with a PDA that does atleast GRPS. The higher data rate makes it a nice internet pad (WAP sucks GSM is too slow). I won't buy a phone with pda ability, but a pda with phone ability. With the common handfreesets there is no need for something that fits nicely in your hand and talk to. The motorola palm phone and the nokia, are really convoluted attempts at merging two concepts with different needs in a bad way, too big for a phone, too small for a nice pda.
I still have a year on my current contract. By that time there should be a nice GRPS capable pda.
Sharp showed one at JavaOne, which was going to run Linux.
Re:Why GSM? (Score:1)
Currently in the USA, and here in Canada, there are:
GSM/GPRS
CDMA
TDMA - which I like to call "Digilog", as its a real bastard cousin of GSM and Analog. When was the last time you actually heard static on your 'digital' phone? You hear it often on TDMA!
iDEN - Only real useful if you have the need for a two-way radio / phone
Re:Why GSM? (Score:1)
To use CDMA would prevent Handspring from selling it outside the USA and/or Canada.
In Europe, for example, GSM is now the *only* mass-market mobile phone protocol - and it works very well.
The launch of 3G will probably make most current digital mobile phone protocols - and therefore current phones - obsolete within ten years.
Re:Why GSM? (Score:1)
Texas Instruments to Deliver 3G Wireless Connectivity to the Handspring Visor
http://www.ti.com/sc/docs/news/2000/00136.htm
AirPrime Announces First CDMA Wireless Module for the Handspring Visor
http://www.handspring.com/company/pr/pr_airprim
Re:Why GSM? (Score:1)
There will be two flavors - Wideband CDMA (WCDMA) the most important part of the ITU's IMT-2000 family and cdma2000, a not surprisingly similiarly named family of technologies from Qualcomm. There was a hope that once there would be just one 3G standard but alas, vested interests from all sides prevented that.
Before 3G is available you pretty much have 2.5G to keep you going. For the GSM folks (i.e., the whole world except Japan and Korea) that means GPRS and for the Qualcomm CDMA folks (N. America, S. Korea, Japan, Oz and a few other places) it means 1XRTT. 1X is probably going to turn out to have a little faster bit rate than GPRS. (The Qualcomm marketing machine and others push 1X as a 3G technology, sometimes even calling it 3G1X but it only just scrapes in as the IMT2000's definition has 144Kbps as it's lowest 3G rate.)
Billing will be more of an issue IMO. You're probably looking at $25 to $40 US on top of your mobile phone bill for 4MBytes or 10MBytes respectively. So get the company to pay OK?
As with VHS and Betamax, the best technology doesn't always win. AT&T Wireless worked wonders with their IS-136 TDMA technology before switching to GSM/GPRS mainly due to clever marketing and a national reach. I think that GPRS will command most of the world's attention but that 1X will do well for itself.
Re:Why GSM? (Score:2)
Most GSM operators are upgrading to GPRS, which provides a fairly good always-on IP network service - you just dump packets into the GPRS network whenever you want (just like cable/ADSL, but slower). The 3G standard that will be implemented by many GSM operators is called UMTS and uses Wideband CDMA (W-CDMA) as the radio interface - this is based on CDMA technology but is not upward compatible with the Qualcomm-backed version of CDMA that's used in the US, Japan, Korea and a few other places.
Japan is migrating to W-CDMA, and AT&T Wireless and some other US operators are deploying UMTS, so you'll be able to buy phones that roam across the US, Europe and Asia (including Japan), when 3G eventually arrives. The CDMA camp's strongest suit is that their CDMA2000 3G standard doesn't require new spectrum (or at least the 1X variants don't), which avoids the horribly expensive UMTS 3G licenses that European operators are suffering from.
Why don't we have color wireless PDAs yet? (Score:1)
-Matthew
Re:Why don't we have color wireless PDAs yet? (Score:1)
Re:Why don't we have color wireless PDAs yet? (Score:1)
not counting playing super-snake in color while chatting thru the headset.
You are right about the Mono screens. I tend to like color especially if I want to use my Palm as a universal remote for all my devices at home (do a search on google for universal remote software, they are quite slick). But I'd rather have 10hrs use / 2 week standby. Ugh.. I'm so conflicted. Don't we have better battaries yet?
I have thought about a PocketPC.. But it appears the Palm's interface is much more thought out.
Re:Why don't we have color wireless PDAs yet? (Score:1)
Of course, the color doesn't really matter all that much to me- I use the Palm mostly for Address/DateBook/AvantGo/Vindigo, none of which use color (at least not effectively). The only bonus I found with color on my IIIc was that the games are all cooler than their mono equivalents.
Now if only they came out with a GPRS version...
Too slow for me too care. (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Too slow for me too care. (Score:1, Insightful)
Sure the CE devices have faster processors, but they don't actually perform better in real usage.
Re:Too slow for me too care. (Score:2)
Lord knows I need a faster PDA (Score:3, Funny)
There's also the fact that I want to do heavy number crunching on my PDA. Factoring large numbers into primes, running software to design chips with millions of transistors, etc. Palms just don't cut it in that department.
But maybe these CE devices are what I need. Since I also have tremendous strength, it would be no trouble to carry out the trash despite being weighed down by the many batteries that the CE devices would burn through.
New Blackberries? (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:New Blackberries? (Score:1)
Re:New Blackberries? (Score:1)
It's great to here this - thanks alot there, AC
usage (Score:1)
These devices would sell like hotcakes.
Re:usage (Score:1)
Careful with your assumptions, dude.
In my area, the VisorPhone uses Voicestream ('cause it's the only GSM provider available to me). I negotiated the service with Voicestream (choosing from their current plans) and Handspring didn't have anything more to do with me after I bought the phone.
Re:usage (Score:1)
Cellphone Headset jack (Score:1)
This would definately be a deal breaker.
Also, the FCC may have pulled approval, but both companies can get it back with a check of a box [palminfocenter.com]
Question: (Score:2)
I severely want to get wireless e-mail. I am going to Germany in about a month until the end of the year, and I am putting it off until January as I don't want to buy something and instantly put it aside.
Slowly, my main form of communication has become I.M.s and e-mail. I have both wireless already on a PCS, but as we know the interface SUCKS BAD!! I need a solution so that I can IMAP or POP into my central e-mail and see what is going on and not type 3 several times to see a "C".
Here are the contenders so far, in order of what I like best:
1) Blackberry. Small, limited, and has a small keyboard built in. I don't know the capabilities in terms of using IMAP or POP or anything of the sort... I see some weird comment about "syncing with Outlook..." ew...
2) Any of the Motorolla 2-way pagers. Essentially a wireless e-mail device. Again, has a keyboard. Also, don't know about POP/IMAP.
3) Palm. My least favorite solution because I never have liked stylus interfaces. I don't like the idea of carting an external keyboard around in my pocket, no matter what the size. Big plus is that there is probably a mail program to do ANYTHING I want...
Any other solutions that we have now or that we will have in January? What does everyone think?
Re:Question: (Score:2)
My solution and my suggestion would be a Palm with an IR-capable phone
However, not all cell carriers charge for data calls the same (GSM can tell). My carrier doesnt count data calls as part of my 100 minutes i get free a month, even if i am calling a local DAN. Also, plan on about 9.6kbps on a good day. POP is fine, but web would be a bit of a stretch.
As for graffiti, I aint crazy about it either. Try a paste-on keyboard, see if that helps.
And also try T9 for your SMS messages (you need a T9 phone --most modern Nokias have it standard). For short messages w/ common words T9 is sometimes faster than qwerty...
Translation (Score:2, Interesting)
In otherworks, RIM and the Blackberry are starting to eat their lunch and they are trying to fight back.
The Blackberry does exactly what the Palm made it's initial success for; a small, focused device that does a few things extremely well rather than trying to do everything. Palm has really lost their focus in this regard lately, so I'm glad to hear they might be trying to get back on track.
Question about modern handhelds (Score:2)
What can one do for me that a notepad, a pen, and a cellphone can't do for considerably less money?
Re:Question about modern handhelds (Score:2)
Search for things. Beep before you miss important meetings (or whatever). Play games or let you read books if you get unexpectedly stuck waiting in a line (or stopped traffic). It should be smaller then a cell phone plus a notepad (at least one the size of a typical day planner). The "display" isn't as good as a day planner though, unless you have trouble with your own handwriting.
It also sucks differently if you lose it. If you lose your paper day planner you probably lose your only copy of some dates, and some phone numbers and things. If you lose a PDA it should be backed up, depending on how recently you sync'ed it. Of corse it costs way more to replace.
Re:Question about modern handhelds (Score:2)
You have got to be kidding me.
Palm Advantage 1: The Find Feature
What, like a phone book? The kind that's in every house, office and phone booth?
Palm Advantage 2: Less to Lose
Let's see, if I lose a Palm, I'd lose a very expensive piece of equipment. If I lose a notepad, I've lost about a buck worth of paper. As for backing up data, just keep two notepads with the same info. One at home, one with you.
Palm Advantage 3: Multiple Alarms
A more useful feature, but still not worth the hefty price.
Palm Advantage 4: Rescheduling
Need to change an entry? How about using (gasp!) a pencil?
Palm Advantage 5: Repeating Events
No way does it take hours to write a few lines of text in several different date entries.
Palm Advantage 6: Categories
Gee, it's too bad I never thought of writing out descriptive headers on paper. I could have patented it.
Palm Advantage 7: Other Built-in Applications
All of these functions can be either duplicated by a cheap cellphone, cheap paper pad or cheap digital watch. And the email-through-hotsync feature? If you need to be at your desktop to use the email feature anyway, what's the big advantage?
Palm Advantage 8: Third Party Applications
Ah, the stuff that's actually interesting. Genuine word processing, spreadsheets, interactive programs. Much more useful, but still limited by the screen size and interface.
Maybe I'm just in the wrong target market, but I don't really see how many of these features can't be duplicated by a paper pad for about a thousandth of the cost. The use of a handheld as an actual computer is far more interesting, but still not worth the price. I might get one in a few years when they're more capable and cheaper, though.
Re:Question about modern handhelds (Score:1)
1. Security - You have some important numbers that you need to know, but you don't want others to know you have - say the HR dept. of a company you are looking at working for, a mistress, etc. You can hide those names from even appearing unless you have the correct password.
2. Sharing - Say you meet a new group of people, and you want to get their phone numbers. Just link the 2 IR ports, hit 1 button, wait about 20 seconds - all the people in the phonebook are transferred to your PDA. No worries about spelling, illegible numbers - nothing.
3. Phone/internet capabilities - I know this is worthless to someone who would actually consider paper over a PDA, but since this is still a tech forum (I think...) being able to access multiple devices without having to find your computer, or drive onsite to fix a small thing that could be done byu issuing a command (to reboot a hung server, etc.) these things are perfect for such use. And now, couple it with the fact that you could get a base model Visor for $129 - and a free phone module, you are now hitting the price point of base model cell phones, with so much more to offer. Even the top of the line color Visor is like $350 - still $150 below the Kyocera phone/PDA - and you get a full size Visor screen - with 16 bit color.
Now if they could only up the resolution to 320x320 - then they would have the ultimate device - until they come out with a PDA that you can roll up and kill a fly with. Unitl then, paper has the nod in that category.
Re:Question about modern handhelds (Score:2)
I think you are being a curmudgeon. It's clear that no amount of discussion is going to get anywhere. But, if your mind is open in the slightest, spend the $129 and buy a Palm m100 [palm.com]. If you are an employed professional type, you have probably spent more than $129 on dinner on occasion. But buy it from a place with a good return policy so you can get all your money back if (when) you come to hate it. You lose nothing but a little time.
At least try it out -- and then come back here and tell us we're all fools when you have some first-hand experience with the product. Because right now, everyone with a PDA is just laughing at you. We're organized and reading the news on the road and playing solitaire when stuck in line and whipping up spreadsheets in the car and all that jazz while you are crying about paper notepads as if it's a clever comparison. Sheesh.
You probably don't "get" what a Tivo is good for, either. I mean, all you have to do is write down when your shows are coming on in a notepad, and keep that by the TV, and set your cheap digital watch to beep for Ally McBeal, right?
Re:Question about modern handhelds (Score:1)
Re:Question about modern handhelds (Score:1)
Ebooks. Gutenburg Project or otherwise, I love to read, and it's hard to beat fitting 10 books in your pocket. Plus I can read at night very comfortably, without turing on the light and pissing off the girlfriend.
PDF's. I read Podkletnov's latest paper on my palm one night. I still don't know if the guy is for real, but it was a cool read!
Avantgo. I get Space.com (including a nightly guide to the sky), all the latest Routers and AP news bites, some Canadian content, and what movies are playing where in my town, with reviews!
Planetarium. I never new !@#$ about the night sky till I tried this. Now I can look at any celestial object in the sky and positively ID it in a few seconds with my palm. Very cool around the campfire on those whitewater kayaking weekends. I'm even learning to do rudimentary navigation using the stars. I just wish the Palm was waterproof.
Collins French-English Dictionary. Full on, 100,000 definitions, and instant lookup. Kicks ass on any paperback dictionary I've ever seen, and with graphiti I can find words very very fast.
Asteriods. Need I say more?
Re:Question about modern handhelds (Score:1)
Ah, the stuff that's actually interesting. Genuine word processing, spreadsheets, interactive programs. Much more useful, but still limited by the screen size and interface.
I wouldn't underestimate the importance of the third-party apps. When I purchased mine, the Palm Vx (8 MB) still cost considerably more than the Palm V (2 MB). I only thought of it as being a planner, so I hestitated to spend the extra money on memory I thought I'd never use.
Well, those extra 6 MB are full of bus schedules, maps, a checkbook register, an email client (to compose emails for sending later), and more. The Palm makes a surprisingly good eBook reader (don't knock it until you try it), so I always have some reading handy. I also have stopped carrying a watch since I bought the Palm.
That's a lot of other things (watch, book, check register, maps, bus schedules) I don't have to carry and keep track of. Plus, since they're on a handheld computer, they do have more features than their paper counterparts. For example, the check register reconciles with statements in seconds, as opposed to the old fashioned pencil, calculator and paper method which can take quite a long time if you've made a mistake somewhere.
I also have used it to load up applications for short-term needs, such as a loan amortization app that came in quite handy while car shopping.
It's not for everyone. I know several people who have Palms gathering dust in the bottoms of desk drawers. I, for one, have found it very useful, though.
Re:Question about modern handhelds (Score:2)
Sure glad everybody doesn't think like you or we whould still be grunting and dragging our knuckles on the ground when we walk.
Be adventurous and try something new every now and then. You might find things more usefull then you think they are.
LoB
Playing Catch Up (Score:1)
Specialized Wireless for Restaurants (Score:1)
Re:Specialized Wireless for Restaurants (Score:1)
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More pictures of the Palm i705 (inside pics too) (Score:2, Informative)
Found these pictures [palminfocenter.com] available at palminfocenter.com - looks great, and seems even better.. time to upgrade this Palm III!!
X-Box, coming soon to a dumpster near you.
Danger Device (Score:1)
Re:god... (Score:1)
Can you ask more questions? (Score:1)