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Spindl3top Introduces Latest "Super" Blackbird 73

Posted by michael from the try-not-to-suck-any-birds-into-the-fans dept.
Golgo_13 writes: "Spindl3top released their latest community-generated Blackbird source today, pooling together some of the coolest free software-friendly components. Highlights include the project's ultracool trademark black cube, SMP with dual PIIIs @ 1GHz, SCSI @ 10000RPM, a Matrix-Orbital LCD panel (with lcdproc), a ThermoEngine (or optional Watercooler), and an ultra quiet PS from Enermax. Aside from being an ubergeek dream, it's for a good cause. They are selling them here for less than $2500 and all proceeds are being used toward Spindl3top going nonprofit. Since Spindl3top and the FSF have joined hands (first mentioned here by Lucas) to create the official, noncommercial GNU hardware/free software database, this is a very important cause IMHO."
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  • Skip the Blackbird (Score:1)

    by Anonymous Coward
    The FSF is looking for an additional person to help out with coordinating the volunteers working on GNU software and documentation.

    The volunteer coordinator job involves reading and handling messages from people offering to help out, sending them information such as the coding standards or the task list, recording what they want to work on and their progress, putting people in touch with others who are working on related tasks, and telling other people in the GNU project when a completed package is available.

    We hope to have three coordinators, who would divide up the job, each spending two or three hours per week. It is important for coordinators to stick to the job in a responsible way for a long time; it causes problems when they come and go.

    If you are interested in volunteering to be a coordinator, please send email to coordinators@gnu.org.

  • Re:SR-71 (Score:1)

    by Anonymous Coward
    Isn't it back in service [geocities.com]?

  • Re:Watch out -- Sounds like FUD from you. (Score:1)

    by Anonymous Coward
    Not the article, the post by "spiers". Here's a link for you:

    http://www.kuro5hin.org/?op=comments&sid=2001/2/21 /19441/2905&cid=38#38 [kuro5hin.org]

  • Re:Ok, I'll bite. (Score:1)

    by Anonymous Coward
    Read this K5 article [kuro5hin.org]. In short however - they don't sell donated parts as it's all new and nice. They wouldn't include parts from companies such as nVidia as they don't open the specs to their cards. It's like GPL virus (which I like) for hardware. They give their approval stamp to systems with components deemed "open".

    Holloway, on holiday.

  • The drives are faster than 10,000 RPM?! Wow! =)

  • Ok, I'll bite. (Score:4)

    by pb ( 1020 ) on Friday April 06, 2001 @12:28AM (#311499)
    Serious question:

    The link doesn't work, and the description is confusing and vague, as usual.

    So someone tell me just *who* Spindl3top is (besides, perhaps, yet another l33t h@x0r group), where we might have heard of them before, and why we should care.

    It sounds like they're selling cool computers at low prices because people donated parts, and now they can spend their time doing cool stuff? Oh, and something about the FSF? And a Blackbird? Which, of course, we have all somehow heard about before right now?

    A little more information, please.
    ---
    pb Reply or e-mail; don't vaguely moderate [ncsu.edu].
  • The AIM-54C Phoenix [navy.mil] is capable of speeds over 3000 MPH, the SR-71 [nasa.gov] around 2200. 800 MPH approach speed is probably fast enough.

    Now, one of those should really never be fired at a Blackbird, but I imagine the Bad Guys have something similar.

  • Hhmmm... the SR-71 has a cruise speed of Mach 3 (with a sustained maximum of 3.3). The Concorde can do Mach 2, IIRC.
  • Also, LinuxHardware.net seems to mostly consist of 1) a list of drivers for hardware (as opposed to the hardware itself) and 2) a bunch of user-submissions quickly listing the stuff they have in their machines. I'm not knocking the site or anything; it's just a different focus.
  • Costs money (lawyers and such) to set up a non-profit org., since it has to be done right so as to not upset the IRS and so on.
  • The actual systems aren't the main point of Spindl3top. The main "product" is going to be a good non-commercial database of hardware that works well with Free software. You can buy systems pre-built with hardware from that list, and the price you pay over cost will effectively be a contribution to the project.

    Spindl3top may also work on setting up a Linux certification and some other educational stuff; I think that's further out.
  • Did you figure in shipping and handling? Each of those things is going to have a shipping charge of $8-12 from random pricewatch vendors. And of course more for big items like the case. (Not to mention that the lowest-priced listings from pricewatch are often suspect.) And, figure at least couple of hours for assembly and testing. I'd say it sounds reasonable to me.

    But beyond that, the point of all this is not necessarily to provide the best deal possible. It's to provide a computer guaranteed to work with Linux (aka GNU/Linux) and to provide some financial support for the hardware database project. Look at the FSF's pricelist [fsf.org] -- that's certainly more than you'd pay for the same stuff elsewhere. This is the same deal (or more accurately, will be once the non-profit is fully set up).
  • ZDNet's hardware database is badly out of date, incomplete, and doesn't provide much information, especially in terms of Free software compliance.
    And, they're advertising-based revenue model leads some to suspect their objectivity.

    SuSE and RedHat's lists are useful, but they're vendor and release specific, tend to focus on "supported by us" rather than "works well", and again not necessarily neutral.

    PCfE is a good place (I get stuff there too), and I appreciate that they check things out for linux support, but "Linux-OK" hardly tells the full story.

    LinuxHardware.net I hadn't seen before. It looks okay, but is far from comprehensive. It's a bit hard to find specific information on the site (try, for example, to find information on ATI products), and entries once found tend to be very terse. And, it doesn't have the focus on Free software that the Spindl3top database will.

    I think there's definitely a place for this.

  • Re:Watch out -- Sounds like FUD from you. (Score:4)

    by mattdm ( 1931 ) on Friday April 06, 2001 @05:59AM (#311507) Homepage
    Join the discussion lists or follow activity at the web site. If you did this, it's completely clear that all of "spiers"'s concerns are eventually going to be addressed. These things aren't easy to start up.

    If you have doubts, don't buy anything now; wait a little while until the non-profit is set up completely. As the slashdot story says, the proceeds from these initial for-profit sales will be used to fund the formation of the non-profit.

  • You've never heard of the B-1B then. They are built to do just that. Ranchers near the training grounds don't like them much when they break the sound barrier a few hundred feet off the ground. It scares the crap out of the cattle. I got to sit in the ECM officer's seat during a tour of the local SAC base. They invited juniors and seniors from the nearby engineering college in order to try to get them to join the USAF. The B-1Bs and getting to play around in the Minuteman practice silo were lots of fun.

  • I don't know about the MiG-31s, but the SR-71s never had anything to fear from the MiG-25s. According to the pilot that flew his MiG-25 to Japan in the late 70s/early 80s, they would try to catch SR-71s from time to time. Their MiGs while rated at a top speed of approximately Mach 2.5, but they would rarely go that fast because their engines would get too hot and seize up. They tried shooting one down with air-to-air missles, too, but the missles weren't fast enough either.

  • A chase plane at Edwards accidentally flew into one of the B-70 prototype's exhaust nozzles and blew up. The B-70 flew on for a few seconds and then augered into the desert. This was a setback, but probably wasn't what killed it. The advent of Russian SAMs that could easily reach the B-70s max operating altitude and the bomber's huge radar signature is what killed it. It couldn't adapt to the ground hugging attack strategy very well, either, so the project was killed and the use of the BUFFs continued.

  • 70's? You're off by a decade. Try early 60s. One of the planes that NASA uses was built in 1965. SR-71 History [dodgenet.com]

  • Re:SR-71 (Score:1)

    by drix ( 4602 )
    I wouldn't hold your breath. It's hard to (safely) pilot a machine that flies so much faster than the speed of sound that the paint melts off after every flight, and that the metal airframe expands - allowing jet fuel to seep out of its tanks and onto the exterior of the aircraft - all due to heat from atmospheric friction. At 80,000+ feet. Where the ambient temperature is something like -50 celsius.

    Pretty fucking amazing, despite the fact that you can't fly it.

    --
  • The site is of course Slashdotted to all hell and back, so I (patiently) downloaded the hi-res image of the box and stuck it up on Geocities [geocities.com]. And my karma is maxed, so save your breath.

    --

  • Re:SR-71 (Score:2)

    by GypC ( 7592 )

    Oh we have plenty of supersonic bombers... and the Blackbird flies 3 times faster than any of them.

  • Re:SR-71 (Score:2)

    by GypC ( 7592 )

    Well I was assuming that the extreme high altitude of the Blackbird coupled with its speed would ensure that the missle would run out of fuel before reaching its target. I'm assuming that there is no real flight ceiling on a missle since they are rocket powered (?)

    The other followup post mentioned something about 3 high-altitude Migs being theoretically able to bring down a Blackbird. I'll buy that, but the original post was about getting radar lock with a single Swedish Viggen...

  • Re:SR-71 (Score:3)

    by GypC ( 7592 ) on Friday April 06, 2001 @05:53AM (#311516) Homepage Journal

    after which you can fire your missle and head home

    You might as well head home because the missle will never catch up with its target. :^)

  • Re:Watch out (Score:4)

    by GypC ( 7592 ) on Friday April 06, 2001 @04:34AM (#311517) Homepage Journal

    After reading the comment and the posted replies at Kuroshin (or however you spell it), I think you are overreacting. They are disorganized and maybe a bit ignorant of how these things work, but a cooperative (which is their goal) is not a charity, and they have merely been stating their intentions to donate profits. I work for a non-profit organization myself. The CEO still drives a brand new jeep, it's not like we're all paupers.

    I also wouldn't suggest that anyone "Give them money" but why not buy something? If they have a product for sale and you use a credit card and you never get it, well your credit card company will withhold payment for you. As for all this whining about free advertising, I don't understand why no one complained about all the Transmeta hype here, or the announcements of Nvidia's latest video cards...

    Of course, if their webserver worked at all I might be able to form a more concrete opinion.

    Oh, by the way, recoup means recover your investment (break even), not profit on your investment.

  • I want this. (Score:3)

    by Pope Slackman ( 13727 ) on Friday April 06, 2001 @05:55AM (#311518) Homepage Journal
    Magic Bean! [yycomputer.com]

    Y'all can co for sleek, utilitarian, black boxes - that's fine.
    But _I_ want amorphous, green and fugly for my next case!
    Magic Bean!
    Hell, I wish I was IT director of a fortune 500 company...
    I'd draft a new standard, calling for Magic Beans on every desktop!
    Magic Bean!

    C-X C-S
  • yeah, the expansion mostly closes the gaps. Which is, of course, why they build it to leak on the ground.

    --

  • Re:I Want one??? (Score:3)

    by Lifewolf ( 41986 ) on Friday April 06, 2001 @02:23AM (#311521)
    Apart from that obvious point, where can I get some of those parts down under???

    Well, the site being Slashdotted, I've only managed to get a very small section of the jpg. However, the top corner of the case looks like the black version of the Yeong Yang YY-0221 case [yeongyang.com] I'm using right now. You should be able to find someone to who imports it.

    If it is the same case, it's not suprising to me that they replaced the power supply. The PS that came with mine is loud. I intend to replace it as soon as I have the money.

  • I think a swedish Viggen is the only plane ever to get radar lock on one (after which you can fire your missle and head home). Bit of a fluke, but still. The thing about SR-71s is that they are pretty much build exclusively for invading other countries airspace and to be fast enough to get away with it.

    I'd imagine that the advent of hi-res satelite photography -- if ikonos is getting better than 1m, what don't you think the spooks can do? -- coupled with high operating costs and bad PR were instrumental in its decommision.

  • FWIW (Score:2)

    by Rambar ( 56340 )
    Geocities doesn't like links directly to images on its site. So start a new browser session and paste the URL in.
  • Geocities doesn't like links directly to images on its site. So start a new browser session and paste the URL in.

    Try this instead:

    Click on the link. You get the "I'm sorry..." page. Then:

    Put your cursor on the location bar (which still has the URL of the image) and hit carriage return.

    That tries again. But it reports the previous page as being the "I'm sorry" at the same URL, which is on their server. Thus the server thinks you're coming in from a self-link on the same page. B-)

    (At least it worked for me when I tried it. I'd debug it but I'd have to flush my chache at this point - Netscape wants to serve me my local copy.)

    Nice looking box.

  • I was able to remove the file from the URL and get a directory listing of many pictures - including the linked to 26 - which then magically worked for me.... If it doesn't for you, try a different number - it's all the same object and nothing overly special to write home about (IMHO)...
    "scratch" cancel that -
    Update - I just tried it again to verify my results and it was broken again. So, I downloaded the linked to pic (#26 and posted it on my site) here [zimwiz.com] so let's hope I don't get /.'ed now....

    Cheers
  • You can buy the case for $179 + shipping (about $30) from here:

    http://www.directron.com/yy0221bk.html [directron.com]

    I bought mine from them and am happy with it, although I too replaced the power supply with one from PC Power & Cooling.

    It is a great case, the drive bays are in a whole different compartment from the motherboard, which makes it very easy to work on without having to totally disassemble. The site above has multiple images, including the internal assembly.

  • Software-friendly components = hardware that has well supported Linux drivers.

    The case, I believe, is a nice extra wide ATX case based off the style of the old black NeXT cubes.

    If I remember correctly, Lucas from Spindl3top was originally looking at creating a user-friendly GNUstep Linux distribution to get NeXT fans setup easier (GNUstep had a fairly hard install path at this stage). I didn't follow this but noticed them pop up awhile back with the rather nice hardware collective idea.

    The idea is that they basically bulk buy on a small range of parts, thus getting better deals. These parts have all been tested or have a history of working well on Linux. They then put this set of parts together into their pretty black boxes and ship'em out to happy Linux power-users.

  • How on earth can something with x86 CPUs be an "übergeek`s dream"? Who's dreaming of lame, boring pentiums? That's not even a "geek's dream"!

    (BTW: Please write ue if you don`t find the ü on your keyboard).

  • That's why geeks buy x86 but dream about something else!

  • I'm sorry, Matt, but I just don't buy it (and didn't). Lists of hardware that works well with free software are all over the place. There's LinuxHardware.net [linuxhardware.net], The Linux Hardware Database [datapower.com] on ZDNet, and the hardware databases provided by each major distribution. Here is SuSE's [cdb.suse.de] and RedHat's [redhat.com].

    There's even a place in the same city as Spindletop where I usually buy my hardware. PCs for Everyone [pcsforeveryone.com] checks out each component for Linux support.

    The price I pay over cost is a contribution to what seems like a superfluous project. I just don't see the added value.

    All of which is not to say that I would turn the dogs on the UPS driver if he showed up at the door with one...

    As long as I'm wishing, I might as well wish for a pony...

  • What's the Big Deal? (Score:3)

    by bill.sheehan ( 93856 ) on Friday April 06, 2001 @05:19AM (#311531) Homepage
    I have been to Spindletop's [spindl3top.org] web site several times, and have yet to understand what the big deal is. Building your own PC is child's play [pbs.org]. Linux Journal [linuxjournal.com] and many other publications often run "Ultimate PC" articles. The only cool thing that your local computer parts emporium might not have is the black cube case, but it's easily available online. (I believe Spindletop gets its cubes from Yeong Yang [yycomputer.com], or you can patronize your friendly neighborhood ThinkGeek store and check out their cool black case [thinkgeek.com].)

    So why does this still qualify as "Stuff that matters?"

    Peril n.: A sysadmin with a screwdriver.

  • Fantastic aircraft! But the bloody thing leaked even more on the ground.

    I can remember a photo-call on the last day of (official) deployment from USAF Mildenhall here in the UK back in (racks brains) the early 90's, and the floor of the (secure, hardened, guarded by men without humour) hangar was covered in paint tins, catching the drips...

    Must put those pix up on the web someday....Tim

  • "We're sorry, but this page is currently unavailable for viewing" Blimey, this is a popular story! Tim

  • Great, thanks.
  • You might as well head home because the missle will never catch up with its target. :^)

    Not necessarily. The high altitude flown by the SR-71 avoided most SAM missiles (SA-5's come close), but high-altitude interceptors (MiG-25 and MiG-31) take away that safety margin. According to this page [cornell.edu], six MiG-31's performed a coordinated "attack" on an SR-71 over the Barents Sea that would have defeated it.
  • The highest "official" speed released was Mach 3.31 or 2000 miles and hour. I have the info somewhere and I'll see if I can dig it up.
  • The RF-12 was the high speed interceptor/fighter version of the SR-71. Very few were made and you would have to wonder how well the would work for that.

    The B-70 was a mach 3+ bomber that never went past prototype. I believe there are 3 of them left. One crashed and I don't remember if was 3 left after that or if it was only 3 to start with.

  • IANAL, but from what I've read, for a company to become a non-profit (in the eyes of the IRS), it first must start up as a regular for-profit company, then apply for non-profit status. So, it's quite reasonable that they're not yet a non-profit. As long as they don't stay that way...
  • You got me all excited about an SR-71 "Blackbird" that was new and more improved (if that's possible) than the ones they retired a couple years ago.

    Oh, it's just another computer :)

    DanH
    Cav Pilot's Reference Page [cavalrypilot.com]
  • Actually yes, I beleive redline is in the area of 13k.
  • 1) Giving to the cancer society
    2) Volunteering time to the local food bank.
    3) Helping Spindl3top go nonprofit.

  • If you know that something is off-topic, why do you even bother to post it?

    The security hole you described is no longer there. I just checked.
  • Right-click and open in new window solves that little hiccup.
  • What's even cooler is they got the zero-wing PR team to put together some promo material for the magic bean. Check out some of this golden material:

    "Surprise for your Kids - Magic Bean
    My dear kid needs a partner to accompany on her growing way"

    "The system built-in DVD, hard disk, ,mini speaker, keyboard, Headphone set, bring kids to enter globe interesting Internet world Immediately"

  • Webservers? (Score:5)

    by hoquaim ( 169689 ) on Friday April 06, 2001 @12:30AM (#311546)
    Maybe they could throw a couple of those bad-boys to addresss the problem of their /.ed web site?
  • Err - 4.24am in your hick town = 9.24am in the UK, 10.24am in a lot of Europe, and getting drunk time in Japan.

  • These two statements do not jive. If it has incredible market share, it is going to be living for quite some time to come. The older x86 designs are just now making it into embedded satellite systems, so you can bet these will still be making money 10 years from now because they will continue to be made in good quantities.

    As far as stability and speed, the x86 lines are running faster than most other offerings including Sun and given a good OS, you don't need to worry about stability; you have your hardware and software arguments mixed. Innovation? What the hell are *you* doing with the current things they gave you in the latest round of new chips? Going to overclock it for the sheer joy of doing nothing but overclocking it? Pee-yew. Christ, do something with your systems besides posting whiny trash!!

  • In case anyone didn't notice. The google cache is from January !!! So there's not really a lot about the more recent activities like that PC selling thingy....

  • Watch out (Score:4)

    by flatpack ( 212454 ) on Friday April 06, 2001 @01:18AM (#311551)
    > They are selling them here for less than $2500 and all proceeds are being used toward Spindl3top going nonprofit. Since Spindl3top and the FSF have joined hands (first mentioned here by Lucas) to create the official, noncommercial GNU hardware/free software database, this is a very important cause IMHO."

    Be very careful of these people.

    There whole operation is based on a massive deceit.

    Please read this:
    http://www.kuro5hin.org/?op=displaystory&sid=200 1/ 2/21/19441/2905, in particular the thread by 'spiers'.

    Please also note this:

    >Look at the furious back-pedalling at
    >
    >http://www.spindl3top.org/faq.php
    That's very true. When I wrote my article on k5 originally (reposted here http://www.kuro5hin.org/?op=comments&sid=2001/2/21 /19441/2905&cid=38#38 to an ad (http://www.kuro5hin.org/?op=displaystory&sid=2001 /2/21/19441/2905) for his business), it got dumped because it was essentially speculation. I had a very strong suspicion that they were running a profit-making enterprise, but from the goodwill it got from naive story posts in slashdot (not that you could truly expect any kind of integrity or checking of stories from them) it was masquerarding as a charity.
    They did confirm that eventually:
    me>Why doesn't the site say who is profiting from it?
    reply> As of now? Nobody. Lucas has sunk some of his savings into it, which he does hope to recoup.
    Which is otherwise known as a business. You invest money in the hope of getting more back.
    Although:
    Michael Leutenberg:
    > I'm not sure exactly what you mean by this. The FSF is one of the organizations that will be donated to; once spindletop has money to do donations.
    uh huh
    whereas:
    Lucas:
    > Give me a break, what will my crap pocketchange per video card or whatever do for the FSF? Nothing. They get a lot of money from other places, grants or whatever.
    hmm.
    I did intend to write another article from the firmer basis: this is a business but people are under the false impression it's a charity, but sadly my indolence took over. By making this 'plain', tucked away on the FAQ amidst much obfuscation (the summation of which reads 'We are making money out of people's naivety): ' It is for-profit currently (see below, why);' he attempts to pre-empt any further such article - 'everyone knows; it's in the FAQ!'
    Note this:
    9.How are the profits being distributed?
    We don't make a big deal out of where the money goes (assuming a net profit), what for, etc. because someone is always going to say, "Well, you should have given x more" or whatever. We feel it is an ethical responsibility to give support if there is a net profit.
    It would be nice for members to select their most favorite projects, so that a little democracy could be used... but this feature has to be built into the software.
    If the entity were to go nonprofit, we don't know if it would be viable to continue this practice since money is taken from the profits at year end and returned to paying members or used to break even.
    Utter bullshit.
    It is interesting to not that this is different from the initial sales pitch, where this business got hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of free promotion on the basis of 'Spindletop is in the process of becoming the first (and only [this implies GNU affiliation as a worthy cause]) GNU Cooperative [again this implies a not-for-profit site]', and in particular on this totally fraudulent statement (here http://www.kuro5hin.org/?op=displaystory;sid=2000/ 11/14/134531/20):
    'Money after expenses is donated to the FSF and Debian.'
    He's just frantically trying to cover his ass to pre-empt anyone criticizing his shadowy business (which is basically a black hole as far as money goes, in the absence of any requirement for accountability).

    AVOID THESE PEOPLE.

    Anyone who behaves like this should be given a wide berth.

  • 1) Gets funneled into research programs that will profit off the drug if developed. 2) What? A bank for food? Like a squirrel's hutch or something? Just kidding... that's nice if you're in to that sort of thing. I'd prefer volunteering for community education programs. Teach a man to fish... 3) Well, from a selfish standpoint, you increase the influence of fsf et al bringing more resources to open source software. Of course, there is also the tangential impact of weakening Microsoft's stranglehold on the marketplace, forcing them to fire accountants, and making them actually pay their taxes - thus benefitting the US populace by billions of dollars.
  • How on earth can something with x86 CPUs be an "übergeek`s dream"? Who's dreaming of lame, boring pentiums? That's not even a "geek's dream"!

    Well, it's why we sort of decide what things go in it. As I've written before, I would love to have an alternative. Of course, try to get mobos from anywhere else. Whether you like it or not, we're pretty much stuck with x86 and its foibles... I mean, if you've got a better way, let me know.

  • Yeah, the weak link here is the 384K DSL line. The original ISP went bankrupt and, through a myriad of circumstances, we ended up with a very expensive UUNet contract.

    I'm showing a load of 0.01 right now.

  • No, no, no. (Score:4)

    by lwagner ( 230491 ) on Friday April 06, 2001 @04:16AM (#311555)
    That was before we could go nonprofit. You've quoted it entirely out of context. Michael was just trying to defend me.

    Basically, I'm going to donate most of the assets of this for-profit company to the new nonprofit. I'm killing my company. Why? I'm tired of worry about a bottom-line, I'm tired of all of the shit involved with for-profit companies because it prevents me from the intangible goals I set out for in the first place... the goals that don't generate profit.

    This is just more FUD. For the record, I'm getting a job like everyone else.

  • Spindl3top, according to the creator of it. (Score:5)

    by lwagner ( 230491 ) on Friday April 06, 2001 @05:03AM (#311556)
    I think people are kinda confused as to what Spindl3top is. This would have helped.

    Basically, I'm killing the for-profit company and getting a job. I'm going to donate the assets of the for-profit to the nonprofit. Why? I'm tired of worrying about the bottom line, the profit margins, and all of the other pains in the ass that come with being for-profit. You quickly lose sight of what matters most, and it isn't money. When hardware isn't very profitable and you're losing money (though you're selling stuff), you get a really bad taste in your mouth. It's like, "Why did I do this in the first place? argh."

    I do this stuff because it is fun for me, and for no other reason. I didn't want to go entirely under the FSF to construct the hardware database because I still want to do Blackbirds and Stallman didn't want to touch hardware. I love building them and working with the hardware; it's just nice to be able to design geek-like stuff. If others are interested, that's cool. There's no FUD involved, though.

    Really, if anyone has any questions, they can call me up via voice and ask me, I don't mind. I do mind people quoting things on K5 out of context and attaching conspiracy theories to them. As I said on there, don't quote from me like it's the Bible, because I make mistakes like everyone else. The only thing Streetlawyer (on K5) had a problem with is that it wasn't charitable. Sure, I'm the same way... skeptical of for-profit stuff. Now it will be and the for-profit will be killed because I've always felt it was the right thing to do... I just didn't know how and didn't want to spend another $3000 on lawyers. Now, with the help of others in the community, we know how and we're going to do it.

    I'm getting a job like everyone else and will do this for fun again.... and that is what I'm looking forward to.

    If you're interested in being on the board in the new nonprofit or just helping out, we're having a meeting this month here in Cambridge, Mass. to finalize our articles/goals and elect boardmembers... and, as usual, hang out and talk geek -- nothing too formal.

    Lucas

  • It looks like they replace the front portion, but the rest looks just like the black YY0221, which I also have.

    FWIW, I eventually replace the power supply with a PC Power & Cooling 450W PS. I guess running five IDE drives, dual PIII 700's and a couple SCSI controllers (one of which was HVD) was too much for the stock PS.

  • I was sorta joking, but when i posted it, the story was up for maybe 5 mins, i mean for it to go down that fast its probably more than bandwidth related. It was also trying to be a joke too.

    Arathres

  • Maybe they should use the SMP with dual PIIIs @ 1GHz, SCSI @ 10000RPM to run the site. That way it will be accessible to more than the 4 people trying to see it.

    Arathres

  • I think it's "free software"-friendly components.
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  • Please tell me you're joking - the /. effect is usually bandwidth related, not HW. My servers run off a 384kbps DSL line too for cost reasons and it works great - if I ever got /.'ed - well it would die. But its not worth paying 4 times a much for access in the remote chance one of my sites got /.'ed :)

    A /. cache is something that really needs to be considered for the MAIN page of any site linked.

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  • Since the site is slashdotted all to hell, if you want some more background infromation here's the link to googles cache of their page. http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:www.spindletp .com/+&hl=en
  • That plane was one of the greatest engineering feats of the cold war. IIRC that plane was first designed/developed in the early 70's, and was designed almost completely on a drafting table. Pencils and rulers, and a whole lot of ingenuity. I saw a special on the SR-71 a while back, apparently there is still no known matererial that could be used for sealed fuel tanks, and I think the expanding plates are a darn near brilliant sork around.

    kudos to everyone at the SkunkWorks for a brilliant piece of aviation engineering.

    Homer, that's not God, it's just a waffle Bart stuck to the ceiling
    I know I shouldn't eat thee
  • AROS animal rights logic. Linux AROS rights animal animal. AROS AROS animal logic rights.

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