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Steve Nakhla writes: "I came across this article detailing how the Walt Disney Company is using ONLY gigabit ethernet in its new Japanese park, Tokyo DisneySeas. Previously, a combination of ethernet, ATM, and others were utilizied to create the network backbone in Walt Disney World and Disneyland. It's an interesting look at how the "magic" is created. For example, using CobraNet's technology, they are able to stream audio out to speakers with no loss of sound quality, while keeping the control rooms in a centralized location remote to the area."
ping mickey... (Score:1)
Sorry, but that was one of the funniest of the department lines in a long while.... Thanks guys, you've made a overworked man's day a bit brighter!
Re:Very interesting, but... (Score:1)
Re:Useful to sell to management. (Score:1)
Re:Nice to have money (Score:2)
It'a also nice that they're using fiber for the long network runs.
Since you can upgrade either end, and keep the same fiber runs, and scale up the bandwidth that way, it stays somewhat ahead of the curve. Granted, that's theoretical, but it shouldn't be too far off. We don't know how to get a faster medium than fiber anyway.
Ch... Good luck Disney. (Score:2)
Last month it was one called "Sea Gaia". All of them are economic misadventures, and any could be the poster child for Japan's current "bad investment" crisis.
I'm glad Disney is using good technology, but I give the park a 5% chance of making any money.
Re:WestWorld + FutureWorld + Jurassic Park (Score:2)
Disney park has a frame rate? (Score:1)
"First, the entire park runs at 30 frames per second,..."
The park is just a huge 3D movie. That is pretty awesome.
But 30 FPS is lame! If they had a GeForce 3 and a 1.33 Athlon, they should be able to get it up to 100 FPS, even during busy parades!
kabloie
Re:WestWorld + FutureWorld + Jurassic Park (Score:2)
~luge
Re:WestWorld + FutureWorld + Jurassic Park (Score:2)
Re:Try this at home? (Score:2)
Website at [LCS Audio] [lcsaudio.com].
I can probably answer a number of questions about the sound system, if anyone is curious. If I can't answer them directly, I can get the info in fairly short order.
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Re:Switches? VLANs? do you have a clue? (Score:1)
Re:Good idea. (Score:1)
Westworld.
Re:Off Site Control Room (Score:1)
You've been breaking Rules One and Two again, haven't you?
How Automated (Score:1)
Fascinating... I guess that is one of those things you don't normally think about. (the number of folks involved, as well as the technology behind it)
Jethro
Re:the reason ... (money and ...) (Score:1)
Re:ATM != proprietary (Score:1)
You just HAD to mention that, didn't you? (Score:1)
Ol' Walt's brain was nowhere to be seen...
The kids were _so_ disappointed...
Jim in Tokyo
Re:Nice to have money (Score:1)
Yummy... G4 driven switching routers with 480Gbit backplanes.
what's that spanking sound? oh, that's right. It's cisco getting whooped
Re:now all they need... (Score:1)
2.) even with using something like triple-DES, etc I can't imagine that your wireless network would be anywhere as secure as a hardwired fibre setup. Can't you see the little japanese script kiddies sitting outside the fence, trying to hack in to the wireless network with their super-cool-released-only-in-japan laptops?
3.) number 2 would be fun to bring your palmtop/handheld with you! hehe.
other scary bits about NT (Score:1)
firewire? scales? (Score:1)
My employer streams television feed over ethernet for many locations, and we haven't had any problems with delivery or performance. as you said, it's all about carefully engineering your solutions, and not relying on cisco^H^H^H^H^H proprietary protocols to do the work for you.
Firewire has yet to impress me; I'm not sure where the future of that product is going, if there is one. since apple decided to jack up the licensing costs on the firewire technology, most manufacturers aren't adding firewire due to the roughly 1 USD it adds per board. that's a lot for a manufacturer to spend on something (compared to an open standard w/o licensing fees.)
a working digital ubiquitous device interconnect probably won't happen for a while, sadly. god forbid the consumer get something cool and cheap that works
light (Score:1)
Re:Hackability? (Score:1)
it depends. (Score:1)
there is a difference between the Extreme networks equipment disney is using there and a catalyst 3500 series or what have you- a large, large price/performance/quality difference!
Re:other scary bits about NT (Score:1)
Re:firewire isn't the second coming of christ (Score:1)
Re:light (Score:1)
Switches? VLANs? do you have a clue? (Score:2)
as long as you're content with the segmentation capabilities of your switching equipment, there's no security faults with this approach.
that being said, it's still kind of a bad idea. I'm sure they've got some tie-ins there, of course.
While I appreciate humourous comments quite a bit, technically clueless comments drive me bonkers.
I'm sure somewhere there's someone like Dug Song laughing at my pathetic ass anyhow
Re:It's a small world .... (Score:1)
I found the idea great, but I don't know what happened to it. Now however, all technologies are here for Disney to do that. They should really consider it.
Re:Useful to sell to management. (Score:1)
These boxes are from Extreme Networks
Kick Ass networking
Do you want some 10 gig ethernet soon?
http://www.extremenetworks.com
Re:Gigabit backbone (Score:1)
Re:WestWorld + FutureWorld + Jurassic Park (Score:1)
>Crichton wrote WestWorld. Basically, Jurassic
>Park was a rip-off of his own work, cast with a
>new villain
The even more amusing part? He's done this before...
A while ago (not bothering to check the exact details right now), there was a text adventure w/limited graphics game I had written by Crichton called "Amazon" -- but the plot was almost exactly that of the the book "Congo", 'cept for the change in locale and character names.
--craig
Off Site Control Room (Score:5)
Re:It's a small world .... (Score:2)
Dolly had a new water ride installed. When they fired it up the first time, it knocked out power for the whole park. Which caused the music to go silent. Which caused everyone to cheer
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Re:Try this at home? (Score:1)
all the speakers?
Its one thing if it sounds like crap at a
park, but inside...
Re:Nice to have money (Score:1)
Re:Useful to sell to management. (Score:1)
WestWorld + FutureWorld (Score:2)
http://us.imdb.com/Title?0074559 [imdb.com] - FutureWorld (The sequel.)
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CitizenC
Hackability? (Score:1)
With a laptop and a packet sniffer, you too can 0wn the rides and play your favorite MP3's as you ride the attractions!
Did I read the article right? They are going to hook up the guest rooms to the same ethernet network that controls the lights, sound and rides?
Re:Nice to have money (Score:2)
The multi-channel audio stuff they talk about is stuff the phone company has been doing for years, but the PC industry has never managed to do sucessfully, which is why high-bandwidth streaming doesn't work even over a fast LAN if there is a moderate amount of traffic.
Firewire is supposed to solve this in the consumer market by vastly over-provisioning bandwidth, but there is only so far that approach scales.
Re:Useful to sell to management. (Score:1)
Dosen't the International space station use 10B2?
Yeah, page 14 http://www.spaceref.com/iss/computer/iss.poc.pdf
So what you are saying is that Disney has better tech than the International Space Station. Ok, I believe that.
-Joe
Re:No tomorrowland (Score:1)
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Re:Nice to have money (Score:1)
FireWire is about a lot more than overprovisioning bandwidth. For instance it has an isochronous mode so that 2 devices on a FireWire bus can get a guaranteed slice of the bandwidth. Theres a lot more to FireWire that you should check into if you want to sound semi-informed.
Re:Nice to have money (Score:1)
Re:Nice to have money (Score:1)
Re:+5 Funny?? (Score:1)
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should be good... (Score:5)
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Interesting possibility (Score:1)
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now all they need... (Score:2)
oh, and it'd be cool to be able to check email too
I have to say it (Score:1)
Re:Multiple accounts? (Score:1)
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Good idea. (Score:5)
That way the owners can escape easily when all the robots have a malfunction and start killing everyone.
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DisenySea better than Canned Elevator Music! (Score:1)
GREAT! DisneySea sounds BETTER than riding in an ELEVATOR!
Here's Another! (Score:1)
Another use for MRTG and Cricket! "Helps you tell when the lights burn out."
Seriously though, this is a pretty nifty setup they have.
Re:light (Score:1)
Re:Nice to have money (Score:1)
So I guess I was implying that coax doesn't run at the speed of light.
Re:Nice to have money (Score:2)
Fiber (glass) run at the speed of light... I hope that's fast enough, because it's going to be hard to pass that up in a production enviroment any time soon.
Re:other scary bits about NT (Score:1)
Re:Very interesting, but... (Score:1)
Err, yes?
Re:MOD THIS UP! (Score:1)
*sigh*
Useful to sell to management. (Score:2)
This will be a wonderful blueprint for the Sysadmins who are looking to upgrade their systems from 10BT/10B2 networks (does anyone use 10B2 anymore?) and are looking for a system that can handle the bandwidth that the modern 'net uses. Streaming media, stock tickers, realtime quotes, CNN on-line, and a hundred other things that are bandwidth-sucking and the bane of sysadmins everywhere.
If this works out like it should, we can then go to management and get the upgrade to gigabit as new pieces are required. This is a mix already and a high-availability system so it should be a cinch to handle the needs of a typical office network.
DanH
Cav Pilot's Reference Page [cavalrypilot.com]
Speaking of NT @ Disney... Actual photos herein... (Score:1)
BSOD-1 [arcadecontrols.org], and BSOD-2 [arcadecontrols.org] ... Glad that wasn't running the monorail!
Re:Loop-the-loop on WinNT? No. (Score:3)
Marvin the Martian isn't... (Score:1)
firewire isn't the second coming of christ (Score:1)
Firewire works GREAT for its current (intended) purposes. Here at work we have three G4 systems running Final Cut Pro, each connected to a DV deck. (Two are connected to DVcam decks, one is connected to a DVCPro dec). The 25mbit digital video data and all control signals go over that tiny cable. It's a dream to work with. We also have a few firewire-interfaced external CDRWs and external hard drives floating around. They're handy, but we're still mostly a SCSI shop.
Firewire was more hyped than Java... but it sure does a good job. Last I checked there were no USB2.0 professional DV decks... and interfacing a DV deck through CCIR601 digital video and controlling through RS-232, while possbile, is A LOT more expensive (though uncompressed... but that costs again through additional disk space).
Firewire doesn't wash my car or walk my dog, but it works. And that pays the bills and feeds the kids.
Re:Useful to sell to management. (Score:1)
We do. Well, only in older builings as it's been in place for quite awhile. But it's still used and hasn't yet been upgraded. There's really no need right now as far as we can see. Secretaries and other such office workers that do little more with their computers than type letters, send print jobs, handle email and scheduling, and surf the web most likely don't need anything more than 10bit.
Some folks like to upgrade for the sake of upgrading... I guess I'm not one of them. Especially when something already works and the upgrade process would actually be bothersome to all involved.
So yes, many folks still use 10B2.
Running Disney on NT (Score:1)
actually... OpenPark ?????? (Score:1)
Gee Disney, WinNT and gigE, that's nice. How do you like our Linux setup with multiple gigE links, a room full of clusters, and actually LISTENING to our guests?!?!
they probably have something like that (Score:1)
we all know that (Score:1)
And dude, GPS-controlled vehicles would scare the living shit outta me.
thoughts on central control (Score:1)
10BT would be fine (Score:1)
Gigabit backbone (Score:1)
Notice there is **NO** mention of redundancy?!
ATM != proprietary (Score:1)
Hold the phone (literally)!! ATM is not proprietary. What color is the sky on the planet you're from? Just because Redhat doesn't ship with drivers for an ATM interface and you can't buy such a beast at Fry's doesn't mean that it's proprietary.
Re:firewire isn't the second coming of christ (Score:1)
(wicked grin)
Monorails are controlled by humans... (Score:1)
Check out the "Hidden Mickeys" website for LOTS of monorail info.
Tokyo Disney is doing well (Score:1)
NOT ONLY gigabit ethernet (Score:1)
Nice to have money (Score:2)
But like everything that gets you ahead of the curve performance only for a little while. If not next year, then in 5 or ten years, it will be obsolete and they'll have to look at rebuilding the whole thing in terabyte network speeds. I imagine you'll be able to do interesting things with that kind of bandwidth. (3d movies, for example)
Although you should not really get into the attitude of "If someone's doing it, it must be old" type of thinking.
(I am reminded of the "keepup with the jone's" attitude you see sometimes in hardware ownership, etc.)
Check out the Vinny the Vampire [eplugz.com] comic strip
Re:With bandwidth like that... (Score:1)
"Unf unf! Look at all that pr0n I can download in 5 minutes!"
It's a small world .... (Score:1)
Re:No tomorrowland (Score:1)
Presumably, since it opened in 1983?
Try this at home? (Score:3)
Just wondering if there's stuff in the market that's cheap and does this via ethernet. (Obviously the Enterprise Class QoS-Enabled Solutions described by the ITWorld writer aren't, but that's because they need to sell ads.)
Re:Try this at home? (Score:1)
Last summer I saw a demo at an AES meeting of a multichannel audio transport system at the Banff Centre for the Arts that used a couple of computers running Linux, some cheap 8-channel audio cards, some custom software and a wicked fast campus network to do remote multichannel recording of things in the concert hall from the recording studio a couple blocks away. Neat stuff...
This follows other noteworthy networks from Disney (Score:2)
To get a network connection out to a cart (that's what they called all the little stores all over the park), they would do just about anything. There were stores that had RF connections when cable couldn't be pulled to them. A routine call from one of those stores was, "Is the little dish next to the register plugged in? No? That's the problem." They built a new store on the opposite side of one of the lakes down there and ran fiber along the bottom of the lake for its network connection.
And if any of the Disney IS staff from Orlando read this, I want to say that they did a great job handeling the poor software the company I worked for wrote. They were some of the best people I dealt with at that job.
With bandwidth like that... (Score:5)
Now, when I go to Disney World with my kids ten years from now, they won't want to leave the hotel room. "But Dad, I have a latency of 0! ZERO!!!! I'm fragging all my friends back home! Who wants to ride stupid roller coasters, anyway."
Re:other scary bits about NT (Score:2)
The fire control, navigation systems, and other mission critical items are still stand alone entities, not microsoft related at all. the worst that could happen is some irritated boatswain can't play minesweeper. 'Course, who wants an irritated boatswain?
Congraturations?? (Score:1)
Re:Nice to have money (Score:1)
Re:No tomorrowland (Score:2)
Are you sure you weren't at Pleasure Island?
Translator? (Score:1)
Park entrance sign: "How are you gentlemen !!"
Techie Nerd 1: "What happen?"
Techie Nerd 2: "Someone set up us the gigabit."
Add a little bit to that last sentence. (Score:1)
Re:Very interesting, but... (Score:1)
For a moment (Score:2)
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Re:WestWorld + FutureWorld (Score:1)
They've also incorporated CMU tech... (Score:5)
[tokyo.disney.net]
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Login name: waltdisneysbrain
Plan:
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Time until re-animation: 4763 days, 4 hours, 32 minutes, 12.27732323 seconds.
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That's.... (Score:1)
That's fuckin' Goofy...
Re:Hackability? (Score:2)
Audio Technology (Score:2)
Cobranet is pretty cool. Check out http://www.peakaudio.com/
The audio mixing is done by Level Control Systems. Check out http://www.lcsaudio.com/ - It transports audio over analog, cobranet, adat optical, redundant gigabit fibrechannel, and also has embedded linux for audio playback from scsi disks with raid. Scales to hundreds of audio channels in and out. Massive DSP processing, all done in floating point.
And that just comprises a PART of tokyo disney seas!
--jeff
No tomorrowland (Score:4)