Inside the CueCat Hardware 186
HaveBlue writes "Apparently not content to simply go after those writing software for the CueCat, Digital Convergence is now giving the evil eye to hardware hackers. I just got a letter via FedEx this morning almost exactly like the one sent to Michael Rothwell and other developers. DC just doesn't seem to understand that they can't control hardware that's given away for free..." The second link is an extremely detailed discussion of the internals of the CueCat. Mirror it while you can.
Re:Excuse me? (Score:1)
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yeah, way OT, but who cares now.... (Score:1)
It is pretty old... way back when the RIO and mpMan came out... C|Net had a review on them. And that was the quote... "no matter how hard we shook them, they didn't skip." So I emailed him asking if he ACTUALLY shook it or if he just said that to prove a point. He told me that he had to shake it to make sure it wouldn't skip. I couldn't stop laughing.
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Re:Sue K & K (Score:1)
Now if only I could get an aftermarket (read: CHEAP) oil filter for an '81 Honda Gold Wing...
Re:Another mirror up. (Score:2)
the scientology lawyer problem a long time
ago. When there secret stuff leaks out, they
have an ages old policy.
"Never Explain. Never Complain."
--chuck
Re:The email I sent Mr. Rossini (Score:2)
If he doesn't answer my email because of a grammatical error, that's fine with me. By sending the email I have one more piece of legal defense if they should try to stop me.
Kevin Fox
CueCat USB? (Score:1)
Re:DISASSEMBLY BAAAAAD! (Score:1)
Proposed T-Shirt design!!!!!! (Score:1)
In Code39, or Bar128 : FUCUECAT.
Breaking News! (Score:1)
iMox
Re:Hardware Hackers (Score:2)
Re:Excuse me? (Score:1)
No matter how funny you and enoch_root thought this post was, it really falls flat at the end despite the profanity and poor use of the word 'sods'. So please ask enoch_root to kindly stop modding you as Score:5 Funny.
Re:Did you just make this up? (Score:1)
Fancy meeting you here.
Geoff
Can I Still Get a CueCat? (Score:1)
UPC database (Score:1)
Re:The letter I received... (Score:1)
Where's the beef? (Score:2)
Let's see a copy of that letter, eh? The only links in that post were to other, "similar" letters. If they really are sending letters to people for dinking around with their own hardware, that's a new level of ridiculous. But I'd like to see confirmation of that before I fly off the handle.
Re:Excuse me? (Score:1)
And besides, who are you to judge what obviously 3 (at min, 5-3=2(sig's default post)) other people deemed worthy and funny.
You must be God!
Please dont smite me oh Lord! I was wrong to question your powerful judgement.
Maybe you should realize that other people have different senses of humor, and you are not the judge. So, if you are going to request him to not get modded, I'll request for you never to post on slashdot again. In fact, please, never use a computer again. Better yet, the only form of communication you can do is smoke signals. Not even talking.
I think that's reasonable?
Re:Strange (Score:1)
I wish I could.. but they never sent me one, so I can't complain yet. :/
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Are these lawyers hired guns? (Score:2)
Can't they be sued for harassment, or wrongful prosecution if they ever did take action on this? What prevents a lawyer from being a hired gun to harass people? - it seems these days that your average slashdot user is running into more and more of these guys/gals.
Re:SLASHDOT ENOUGH ALREADY!!!! (Score:3)
Slashdot effect is da house (Score:2)
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Re:laws, shmaws, how do you ensure them (Score:1)
while i'm sure all of us think this is quite funny (Score:2)
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Peace,
Lord Omlette
ICQ# 77863057
Re:QueCat - the best thing since the mouse. (Score:1)
Re:I have a dream.. (Score:2)
infomercial (Score:1)
Basically DC in it is showing that a regular user can not go anywhere on the web without one. They try to indicate that a regular user can not get any information on the web because there is too much of it for them to handle. They make it sound like a revolution of technology.
My favorite is when they say on it that they will include for no extra charge the connection to the TV.
Re:Radio Shack no longer hacker friendly (Score:1)
Conflicting Information from DC (Score:5)
Apparently they do understand.
Today, I got this response from Charles Richardson of DC.
Dear Wallace,
The Cat is yours to do with as you please. I would suggest that you give it
to a friend if you do not want this for yourself. I'm sorry but we have no
way for you to conveniently return this to us.
At 06:00 PM 9/28/00, you wrote:
>Submitted: 09/28/00 at 06:00 pm:
>====================
>Name: Wallace Lee
>Regarding: tech
>Email: koala@koalaweb.net
>Heard from: magazine
>Which one:
>Comments: Hello,
>I recently received a ":Cue:Cat" device with a magazine subscription.
>I do not agree with your EULA, and I would like to return it to your
>company. Please provide me with shipping instructions, and a prepaid
>shipping container or label. If you can supply me with such an item,
>please e-mail me koala@koalaweb.net. Otherwise, I will destroy the
>:Cue:Cat device or play around with it as I am considering it an
>unsolicited gift.
>
>Thank you,
>WL
>====================
>Browser & Operating System: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows 98)
>Remote Host: adsl-63-198-207-97.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (63.198.207.97)
>
>eMphormed(tm) email system v2.0.3 by eMphasys technologies, inc.
> Copyright 1998-2000, All Rights Reserved. For authorized use only.
> http://www.emphasys.net
Re:The email I sent Mr. Rossini (Score:1)
In 20/20 hindsite, I think they should have built the thing only supporting their slanted code. Then it would only have been useful only for it's intended purpose. Then only those who want to get into the user tracking game are free to participate and the rest of us that would really like to index the cd's etc. would get a real scanner. Only book and CD sellers paying DC would then print a slanted bar code on their products. Nobody would have an interest in hijacking it.
QueCat - the best thing since the mouse. (Score:2)
-CueCat CEO guy.
Mouse - Device that let users manipulate their computer using a graphic user interface, thus omitting the need to type confusing text commands, making the computer a publicly viable resource, changing the world as we know it.
CueCat - Cheap, plastic barcode scanner giving away at now charge, which let's users manipulate their web browser by ommiting the need to type confusing commercial web addresses such as "ford.com" or "disney.com" or the very confusing "go.com" by scanning a barcode on a magizine. Making the computer a viable technological embarressment, changing the world as we know it, and also increasing the number of stolen magazines from doctor's offices.
Conclusion:
Obviously, the CueCat will dominate, being built into the mouse itself. Paraciticly it will slowly take over the mouse and there will be no mouse, instead the user will have to navagate their computer using barcodes from magazines and user manuals.
Say "hello" to CueCat - the future.
Be careful... (Score:1)
Re:Not good; can we do anything? (Score:1)
Re:Conflicting Information from DC (Score:3)
Hmm. You might ask him about the obvious conflict between his statements and the EULA posted on their web site.
...phil
Re:Excuse me? (Score:4)
enough already (Score:1)
I know junk mail when I see it... (Score:1)
Re:UPC database (Score:2)
Now, with larger chain stores, I bet they now have somewhat centralized databases... however.
Having seen a spanky new IBM POS (point of sale, not that other term) installed in our family owned supermarket.... I know that some employees spent several weeks of large overtime scanning & entering in prices for every single product we carried.
This really is quite easy once the initial push is done.. adding a new item to the store takes only a minute. Of course, adding the first 500 thousand takes considerably longer.
Strange (Score:2)
Info on the lawyer (Score:2)
The guy's been around the block. Several times. He knows what's what in intellectual property law. In particular, he should know better than to send cease and desist letters without being specific about just what the infringement is. Doing that pretty much defeats one of the two purposes of sending such a letter: showing the court that you gave the defendant a chance to mend his ways before suing him. That makes winning a case in court quite a bit more difficult.
Rosini, presumably, knows this. That means that he's hiding something: either he's got some new and novel legal theory that he's just waiting to spring on some poor slob who'll be the defendant in a case lawyers will cite for the next 50 years, or else he has no case and is just rattling sabers.
I've set up a mirror of HaveBlue's page at http://www.i-foo.com/cuecat [i-foo.com]. I await my very own FedEx delivery with bated breath.
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Lawyers aren't always an advantage (Score:2)
Didn't anyone learn ANYTHING from DeCSS?
Re:A patentable business process? (Score:2)
My kid's paper route is more profitable than most dot-coms.
Gee, now I have another file to mirror (Score:1)
Re:Strange (Score:1)
You must be fairly young to believe that you can take on a company in a legal battle, without VERY competent representation. Even if you win, you are going to end up paying out lots of cash out of your very pocket. A company with millions of dollars can tie up a legal case for months... years... and you still have to pay your lawyer during that time.
Marketing opportunity for lawyers:
Set up a lawyer firm specialized in fighting frivolous lawsuits for people who can't pay. People go to the office and explain what kind of harassment they're being subject to, the lawyers examine the case and, if it holds the possibility of a profitable countersuit, they pick the case without the harassed person having to pay legal fees.
The firm's profits come from the countersuits and legal fees the other side has to pay if they win. Careful risk analysis has to be made, but I'm talking about a VERY professional enterprise. It should be possible.
Of course, IANAL and IHNBS (I Have Never been Sued), so if someone in the know spots some flaw in my reasoning, please point it out.
Re:Surprise (Score:2)
Great! (Score:1)
Re:Strange (Score:3)
"You'll die up there son, just like I did!" - Abe Simpson
For Those Who Can't Get To The 2nd Link... (Score:2)
...I unscrewed my CueCat a while ago just to see what was in it: One Circuit board with a connector for the "tail". There was also a plastic piece that apparently served no purpose other than to help hold the light steady. Then when I snapped it back together, the little lense that focuses the light onto the sensor came out. So, it's basicly 3 pieces inside -- PC board, plastic retainer, and lens. The sensor is held to the PC board with a strip of copper tape. I did not remove the sensor or the copper tape, because I wanted it to remain intact.
As far as hacking stuff off the PC board goes, it's way beyond me, since there are a lot of tiny surface mount components, and I haven't dabbled with a soldering iron in years.
The lens assembly was intriguing. It got me thinking that perhaps you could turn this thing into a scanner that could scan more than barcodes. Maybe it could even scan text. Maybe somebody else can provide some insight as to whether or not retrofitting a bar code scanner to scan in 2-dimensions is practical or not.
Re:Slashdot effect is da house (Score:2)
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Slashdot DC icon (Score:1)
Re:Hardware Hackers (Score:4)
Why?
First, they changed the EULA when this stuff started happening. People were getting CueCats, and tinkering with them, and posting their findings. DC went apeshit, and modified their EULA to say "Well, we really didn't give it to you. It's on LOAN to you, and we can take it back whenever we please."
That doesn't work either. I dare them to try to "recall" my scanner. I have a legitimate receipt of purchase from Radio Shack that clearly lists the CueCat Scanner, as well as a barcoded catalog. Everyone should have gotten one of these receipts. The purchase price is $0.00, but so what? It's still a legal purchase, and I have my receipt to prove it. So if DC claims that these scanners are on LOAN, that would mean that Radio Shack is dealing in stolen merchandise.
Sounds like DC should be butting heads with Radio Shack's lawyers, and not the end users.
-- Give him Head? Be a Beacon?
Cease and Decist (Score:2)
"New York, Sept. 28, 2000
Digital Convergence, a firm specializing in the manufacture and distribution of 'barcode' scanners called the "Cue Cat", has sent out cease and decist letters to the manufacturers of convinience and grocery store equipment. A 'barcode' is a series of parallel lines of various thickness that Digital Convergence has developed for the use of uniquely identifying an item.
"We have spent five years coming up with the idea of letting people identify an item by a 'bar code' printed on it", said the company's Vice President of Technology, "And now, these costly years of research are in danger of being wasted because of all these companies trying to profit from our great idea"
The official further noted that by allowing the scanning of these 'barcodes' by third party hardware, the manufacturers of these machines are effectively undermining Digital Convergence's revenue stream, and "stealing away [our] market share".
No comment could be obtained from the companies that received the Cease and Desist letters, and no request for an interview was answered by press time."
Re:Are these lawyers hired guns? (Score:1)
To unduly harrass someone is to subject the attorney to a Federal Rules of Civil Procedure 11 sanction. If a judge decides that there is an abuse worthy of Rule 11, there are significant reprocussions to the attorney's career. It is more likely that K&K is working within the confines of what the Federal Rules permit.
See Rule 11. [cornell.edu]
To prevent firms, or more accurately, clients of those firms from taking legal action against possible patent/copyright infringers or trade secret misappropriators for cases like this is to impose a draconian overbroad prohibition likely to impede the protection of those with "real" intellectual property.
Com'on it's life. It's not perfect and it's sometimes abuses, but it works and may be the best way.
Stuart
Re:The email I sent Mr. Rossini (Score:1)
Mirror on dirtywhitekitty.com (Score:1)
Well, I've had this site lying around for a few months doing nothing so it's about time it was put to good use. The mirror is on dirtywhitekitty.com/dirtycat/ [dirtywhitekitty.com]. This is the hardware site that was originally located here. [matrixpm.com]
Enjoy!
Re:UPC database (Score:2)
2) Aren't barcodes somewhat patented, and licensed to a degree? Not in an exploitive manner, but I believe the patent holders use this to make sure the system doesn't fail?
CUECAT IN AUSTRALIA (Score:1)
grunef@liquidchicken.org or
fatso@fatsothefatarsedwombat.com
thanks a heap
Re:Another mirror up. (Score:2)
Thanks for reminding me of that. Maybe I can take advantage of the large donations I give my congressbeing to get the CueCat info put in the Congressional Record. May as well add DeCSS while I'm about it ... :-)
One Question (Score:4)
Where's a bowl of hot grits when you want to use something for other than it's intended purpose...
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Chief Frog Inspector
Re:Isn't this obvious? (Score:2)
Have a take, don't suck, or don't talk to me.
Just a friendly tip!
How to Screw Digital Convergence (Score:2)
I posted this earlier and it got eaten. Anyway, here are *TWO* ideas for screwing Digital Convergence:
Idea #1: Digital Convergence just announced an IPO. [yahoo.com] We can do our part on internet investment discussion boards to make sure that their potential investors are well-informed about this company... every day until the IPO!
Be sure to relay only FACTS on internet discussion boards-- that will suffice. Of course, wouldn't it be a shame if frank and extensive discussion of these facts cut a few percent off their $100 million IPO?
Idea #2: Since Digital Convergence plans to build a database of demographic data [digitaldemographics.com], how about a little program that pulls random items out of the UBC database, encodes them, and ships them off to the DC servers every couple minutes? This would irreparably corrupt their database, making it worthless-- weeding out fake scans would be essentially impossible. If you're worried about legality, print out 10 pages of barcodes for obscure items you'd never own or desire and scan them again and again whenever you have an idly thinking about something else. That way, you're using their product exactly as intended, yet still corrupting their database. What can they do?
Re:Strange (Score:2)
The disadvantage of this is that you rarely if ever get anything (except smug satisfaction) at the end, since it all goes on the remaining legal fees after you've won.
Tony
Re:Are these lawyers hired guns? (Score:2)
Why don't they just forget this? (Score:2)
Not good; can we do anything? (Score:2)
IANAL, so I would appreciate it if anyone with substantial relevant expertise could tell us:
- Are these actions of Digital Convergence perhaps in violation of the First Amendment?
- If so, is there a possibility of certifying a suit against Digital Convergence as a class action?
- Are there any statutory damages we could expect, or just a "cease and desist"? I know it would be nice to just take a company with a stupid legal-driven business plan and get them to shut up, but driving them out of business for trying to mess with people's free speech rights would be much harder for the rest of the business community to ignore.
Just my ruminations...--
Build a man a fire, and he's warm for a day.
Re:here's an idea (Score:5)
Our clients, the slashdot communicty, have recently made it clear to us that your firm has been partcipating in an unjustified harassment campaign against developers of open source CueCat software on behalf of your client, Digital Convergance. Despite repeated requests for clarification from the recipients of your requests, your firm has seen fit to persist with its harassment of developers working on legitimate hardware and software development.
This letter is being provided to inform you that persuant to section 53, paragraph 12 of the State of Ohio Revised code, you are hereby ordered to cease and desist all actions against the forementioned developers until such time as a complete list of specific grievances can be included with your request. Failure to comply will result in the filing of a civil lawsuit against your firm, digital convergance, and its partners.
Thank you,
Scott F. Crosby
Will that do?
Re:Hardware Hackers (Score:4)
As has been explained multiple times before...
In a contractual transaction, the receiving party has to be given an opportunity to read and understand and agree to a contract (which is what a license agreement is) in order for it to be binding. I've gotten two of these little scanners so far, and neither has come with any kind of license agreement that I could see. There might have been something on the CDs, but I didn't need them, so I pitched them. There certainly wasn't anything on the package telling me that the hardware was being given to me under terms of any kind of contract or license.
Therefore, it appears that there is no contract is in force between Digital Convergence and myself. Any hardware that was given to me freely, with no conditions stated, is mine to do with AS I WILL, provided I don't violate anybody's copyrights or patents. (Copyrights and patents are binding on me no matter if I've signed a contract or not. There is no doubt a copyright on any microcode contained in the processor of the bar code reader, but I'm not attempting to do anything with that code, so I'm OK there. There have been no indications of patent violations, so I'll continue to do as I please until notified that I'm violating a patent. Note that this is different from a trade secret, which requires a contract between the secret owner and other parties. Without a signed contract, I'm under no obligation to keep private any trade secrets that may belong to Digital Convergence.)
I also understand that there might be something on a web site somewhere that talks about restricting what I can do with something that was given to me freely. Since I have not had the opportunity or desire or obligation to go to the web site, any words there are hearsay as far as I'm concerned, which also means they have no legal affect on me. It's also hard to see how terms could be imposed ex post facto, and I believe a court would agree.
So. License? What license?
obDisclaimer: I am not a lawyer.
...phil
cuecats and bungee cords (Score:5)
Unfortunately, he had neglected to attach the other end of the bungee cord to his legs.
He apparently started screaming about halfway down
Evolution in action.
Here we have the corporate equivalent. In order for DC's business model to work, they needed to ensure that no one else could write software to use their hardware. Their entire business model is based on funnelling all cuecat scans through their web site. If you can use a cuecat without going through their web site, then their business model is destroyed.
Unfortunately, they failed to do that. They used a primitive algorithm, and they made the slightly scrambled string print out in a DOS window, making it extra simple to figure out. They have NO patents that cover use of the hardware, and all of their copyrights only apply to their software, which you don't need to install to use the cuecat. Their "trade secret" was easily reverse-engineered, which is completely legal.
The reason that their vague lawyer-letters don't actually specify any specific intellectual property violation, and the reason why people are receiving vague letters instead of cease and desist letters is quite simple.
They forgot to attach the bungee cord to their legs.
Those letters are the screaming.
Evolution in action.
Sue K & K (Score:4)
He then asked for clarification; that is, what exactly is illegal on the site and what laws were being violated.
K & K did not provide the information.
Therefore, it seems to me that any accrual of financial penalties has now become their burden, for failing to provide the information necessary for the flyingbuttmonkey to determine how best to serve their viewing public.
Anyway, IANAL. Everyone compares computer hardware to cars, and the "welded hood" analogy. It seems to fall apart when you get into these "give away the razor, and make you're money selling blades".
Have any aftermarket car companies been sued for making GM/FORD/HONDA/TOYO replacement parts? Shocks, Tires, Wheels, pistons, etc? What laws let someone take their car apart and posting dimensions of the piston, for example?
Also, Steve Ciarcia (former Byte Magazine/Circuit Cellar guru) ran a lengthy series on the design and programming of barcode readers.
Sheesh, only a small percentage of people getting this thing are going to hack it, anyway. All Digital Divergence is doing is screwing their image with the computing elite. Dumb, Dumb, Dumb.
Re:Hardware Hackers (Score:3)
Unsolicited Merchandise
Federal law prohibits the shipment of
unordered merchandise. Such a practice
may constitute an unfair trade practice.
Merchandise mailed in violation of United
States Code may be treated as a gift by the
recipient without any obligation to the
sender. The laws governing this practice are
enforced by the Federal Trade Commission.
If you believe that you have received unor-dered
merchandise in violation of federal
law, contact the Commission's Bureau of
Consumer Protection at:
BUREAU OF CONSUMER PROTECTION
FEDERAL TRADE COMMISSION
WASHINGTON DC 20580-0001
(emphasis added was mine. Digital Convergence has no case)
sue DC (Score:3)
1. The CueCat is a bar code reader (explain it).
2. I would like to reverse engineer the CueCat and write software to intercept the data (explain how).
3. DC is sending out vague cease and desist letters (attach an example).
4. On information and belief, DC has no patent on the CueCat.
Then move for summary judgment asking the judge to rule that there are no patent or copyright rights in the CueCat and that you can reverse engineer it. The plaintiff wins (without having exposed himself to risk). Now, everyone can point DC to a legal decision.
Re:Hardware Hackers (Score:2)
At what point do you think any of us entered into a contract with Digital Convergence? That's what a license agreement is: a contract. Did people enter into a contract simply by removing the package from their mailbox? Did they enter into a contract by opening the package? Did I enter into a contract by asking the RatShack clerk for a free scanner? Did I enter into a contract when he handed me the bag? I was never asked for my name, and certainly never signed anything. None of us have installed or used the software. Why bother? If the license agreement said everybody born in odd years owes Digital Convergence a dollar, would that mean I owe them a dollar? Of course not.
So why exactly are any of us bound by the license agreement on the software? Did I enter into a contract when you read the license agreement? The simple fact of the matter is these lawyers are sending out scary-sounding but completely worthless letters. I don't think they even qualify as a cease and desist letter. There is no IP infringement going on. The lawyers know that. They are just hoping that they can scare everyone with their worthless threats.
Re:here's an idea (Score:4)
Student's electrial engineering project [washington.edu], includes schematic (scanner + RS232 interface)
And another. [umn.edu]
Can't be too hard to do anyway; just need an IR LED, IR phototransistor positioned to pick up the reflections, clean the signal up into digital and stuff it into a computer for processing.
Or the software way, if you've got a decent enough quality webcam, write some image recognition stuff to read the barcode off frame grabs.
A patentable business process? (Score:3)
1. Put out a lame device that's easy to take apart.
2. Record all such instances of "violations of IP".
3. Allow the "damages" to accrue.
4. Sue the IP violators for millions.
5. Patent the process and license it to other companies.
They will be more profitable than most dot.com's
Ralph
Re:Slashdot DC icon (Score:2)
Bill Gates of Borg one.. Only instead it's a mouse with a red laser/LED eye
Re:here's an idea (Score:3)
If anyone REALLY wants this done, perhaps you can motivate me. Email me and ask me to do it. Send me money, a used laptop, or some other motivator.
-Adam
My website [ubasics.com] (electronics, PIC uControllers, etc)
Re:Strange (Score:3)
You must be fairly young to believe that you can take on a company in a legal battle, without VERY competent representation. Even if you win, you are going to end up paying out lots of cash out of your very pocket. A company with millions of dollars can tie up a legal case for months... years... and you still have to pay your lawyer during that time.
Things like this should NEVER be taken lightly, it may be the stupidest thing in the world; but if it gets to court 5-10k for a fees, lost work, etc. is nothing to them but that can break a lot of people I know. The best thing to do is to contact your well paid lawyer, under their guidance they will tell you to respond or not to. If they tell you a response it necessary, they draw up everything and you just put your signature on it. More than likely they will tell you to do nothing, and laughing at them, is the quickest way to get yourself into a lawsuit.
Spelling & grammar checker off because I don't care
here's an idea (Score:5)
let's see em sue you for that.
p.s. since it's legal to send a cease and desist letter for anything, can we get a slash lawyer to write a cease-and-desist letter to DC that asks them to cease and desist being assholes? Then all of us can mail them a copy...
Re:here's an idea (Score:2)
Re:Eh? (Score:2)
I have a dream.. (Score:5)
Is it just me.. (Score:2)
Their case against people is so absurd, it almost seems like the whole CueCat thing came about to get the chance to prove in a court that, in the computer industry, IP means a very different thing than it used to.
I mean, even the timing of these guys is perfect to poke fun at the mp3 and DeCSS debate.
#include <stdIANAL.h>
And with that in mind.. would it be worth it to hurry up and push CueCat into a court so a precedent could be set? It'd be amusing to watch these guys lose. Then, turn around and use that against RIAA or MPAA.
A legal issue (Score:2)
Re:Excuse me? (Score:2)
mirror of the hardware site [firehead.org]
My
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Re:UPC database (Score:2)
The Uniform Code Council assigns the company codes on the UPC. The first part of the code is unique to the company manufacturing the product. The end of the code is determined by the company. Therefore, there shouldn't be any duplicate bar codes (unless the same company produced both or someone created unauthorized codes).
Want a UPC code of your own? Check out The Uniform Code Council [uc-council.org]'s instructions.
Cue Cat Clones (Score:3)
Re:Slashdot DC icon (Score:2)
Free publicity? Suuuuuure. More like seppuku. (Score:3)
- Go down to Radio Shack,
- Pick up a CueCat and lie about their name and address, and
- Either never use it with the Windoze client, hack the EEPROM before doing anything with it, or both.
All of these people are going to give DC no revenue for their outlay. The publicity alone has given DC a huge hit in their current expenses and future revenue, and frankly they're a bunch of morons to have bet their business on such a lousy business plan.Let me predict the next cycle of the arms race.
- DC produces a new version of the scanner which truly encrypts the scan output, and fails to operate if the EEPROM is disconnected or altered.
- Some embedded hacker (like, maybe, me?) writes some code for a pin-compatible microcontroller to make their new scanner produce the same output (for ISBN, UPC, etc. codes) as the old CueCat... only without the serialization. Said code is distributed for free, or you can buy a pre-programmed microcontroller for a few bucks and an SASE.
Either way, Digital Convergence can kiss its corporate ass goodbye.--
Build a man a fire, and he's warm for a day.
Kenyon and kenyon on slashdot in 1999 (Score:4)
Hal Duston
hald@sound.net
Stop Immediately (Score:2)
Hello,
I'm Ben Blonkey, inventer of the cue cat. I'm sorry, but talking about the cue cat is now illegal. Everyone who replies will now be scouted out by the cue cat mafia and sent a letter from fed-ex.
Thank You,
Cue Cat Inc.
"
Re:Strange (Score:2)
For $25/month, you are protect from civil lawsuits with about 50 hours of free legal respresentation (this is usually enough to settle any case since rarely do cases go beyond that and the coverage increases by 10 hours per year for each year you continue service). They will also handle traffic tickets, IRS audits and write two letters per issue on your behalf in case you want to do a little legal bullying of your own.
Coverage takes effect immediately and covers your spouse and children (unless they have recently changed that policy). Some professions, like commercial truck driver, need special additional coverage due to the high risk of personal lawsuits that their professions generate.
All in all, I signed up two years ago and have yet to even use the civil suit protection. Usually a letter from a lawfirm with an impressive letterhead is all it takes to get the matter dropped. Once the other guys think you've called their bluff and actually hired a lawyer, I have found they usually back down.
If interested, check out the website
http://www.prepaidlegal.com/
Legal insurance is fast becoming as important, if not more important, than home/car insurance. After all, if you car gets stolen you lose your car. If your home burns down, you lose your home. But if some nut slips on a french fry you dropped, sues you, and actually wins then you'll end up losing your home, car, and your salary for the next few decades to boot. Scary, ain't it?
- JoeShmoe
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I'm sold! (Score:4)
I mean really what are we going to do, switch to one of the other bar code readers? Of course not, but we've all gone out and got a CueCat!
Whoever put together this plan has got to be sitting in his chair rocking back and forth laughing his butt off at how we fell for it hook, line and sinker! All the while churning out invoices to the CueCat enabled advertisors who signed deals at a rate of .10 per shipped CueCat for the right to use that TMed slanty barcode and logo!
In fact, I wouldn't be surprised to find out Taco was a principle over at DC!
DISASSEMBLY BAAAAAD! (Score:4)
--K
Ok, I said it. Now where's my $50?
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The email I sent Mr. Rossini (Score:2)
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 17:02:11 -0700 (PDT)
From: Kevin Fox
To: jrosini@kenyon.com
Subject: Cuecat violations
Dear Mr. Rosini,
As the owner of a Cuecat scanner and someone who knows a fair amount about
intellectual property law, I would like to know Kenyon & Kenyon's position
regarding what you term infringing use of Cuecat scanners.
Which intellectual property laws specifically do you content that users
are infringing upon? are users infringing on trade secrecy, patent,
trademark, or copyright violations?
Speaking as someone who is planning on performing similar tasks as those
you found infringing when enacted by 'flyingbuttmonkeys.com' I would like
to know cuecat's specific legal position on this matter.
Thank you for your attention in this matter. I eagerly await your reply.
Sincerely,
Kevin Fox
Fury.com
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If I get a reply, I'll post it here.
Kevin Fox
Why not grab all the freebies (Score:2)
Another mirror up. (Score:2)
Anyway, feel free to visit also my mirror, the address is the same as below...
Ville
My DeCSS archive:
Re:Strange (Score:2)
Rader
Excuse me? May I have my letter please? (Score:2)
I've taunted the RIAA, the MPAA, I've denounced the christian coalition, NOW (national organization of women), and I have yet to receive a single letter of reprisal.
Hmmm. Interesting.
Watch for a page soon that taunts mad pit bulls with RIAA-approved Christian Coalition cease-and-letters to NOW for hacking the CueCat with the help of the MPAA to secretly send information to Digital Convergence about anti-feminist movies from open-source MPEG4-based DVD-ripper programs powered by DeCSS.
That should stir up a nicely amusing unholy mess, not to mention a very confusing one.
Intellectual Property Lawyers (Score:2)
Re:Excuse me? (Score:2)
Digital Convergence
Surprise (Score:4)
I think DC can make an argument that the software violates their IP (whatever that is, and however weak their argument is... i think they can make one). Now... I don't see anythign wrong with the hardware side of it.
I got my Cue:;'#$.,==+Cat before they changed their EULA, and since RS didn't get my name and address I feel I have no obligation to any changes they make. So, therefore...I can do with this little piece of hardware as I please. It just so happens I'm allergic to white plastic...so to use their wonderful product I removed it from its casing.
You know...whatever. If they want to waste their money on Legal crap that no one cares about, let them. Are we REALLY worth it? I mean, seriously. How many people have taken theirs apart? Is it worth the cost of all this trouble and bad publicity on their part?
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