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Texas Power Use To Break Records In Heat Wave, Prices Soar To $2,500 Per Megawatt Hour (reuters.com) 203

The Texas power grid operator, ERCOT, has urged residents and businesses to conserve electricity as the first heat wave of the summer increases air conditioner usage, causing power reserves to potentially fall short. Power prices in the state's day-ahead market reached over $2,500 per MWh, and ERCOT issued a warning about a projected reserve capacity shortage, although controlled outages are not currently necessary. Reuters reports: ERCOT operates the grid for more than 26 million customers representing about 90% of the state's power load. The grid operator issued a "Watch" for what it called a "projected reserve capacity shortage with no market solution available for Tuesday" from 3 p.m. to 9 p.m. local time, which could push ERCOT to take more actions to maintain reliability. Although controlled outages are one of the most extreme actions a grid operator could take to maintain reliability, ERCOT said "controlled outages are not needed at this time."

ERCOT forecast power use would reach 81,348 megawatts (MW) on Tuesday before slipping to 80,991 MW on Wednesday. Tuesday's high, which is a little below a forecast earlier in the day, would still top the grid's current record peak of 80,148 MW on July 20, 2022. Day-ahead power prices for Tuesday settled around $2,500 per MWh at 5 p.m. local time in several zones, including Houston and Dallas, according to the ERCOT website. That compares with next-day prices at the ERCOT North Hub , which includes Dallas, that traded for $37 per MWh for the peak hours during the day on Monday, the U.S. Juneteenth holiday.

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Texas Power Use To Break Records In Heat Wave, Prices Soar To $2,500 Per Megawatt Hour

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @06:49PM (#63619296)

    Come on down and the spin the wheel! What will republicans blame this on?

    Obama
    Something woke
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    Trans people
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    Antifa
    Gay people
    Nike
    NFL players taking a knee
    Cancel Culture
    A black mermaid

    The wheel has landed on.....

    Tony The Tiger!

    See the many in funny clothes to collect your prize!

    • Re: Spin the wheel (Score:4, Insightful)

      by Junta ( 36770 ) on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @10:44PM (#63619806)

      You forgot "but what about California?"

      Which seems to be the predominant answer in this discussion.

      Written from one of the evidently obscure other 48 states that exist and is glad they don't have Texas nor California power issues.

      • You forgot "but what about California?"

        I like honestly really enjoy this discussion. It's hilarious watching two utter failures battling for last place arguing about which is slightly less shit. Both states rank miserably in all power system reliability metrics.

        • Sadly, what won't be learned here, is that extremist policies never really work and there's a reason that one should embrace a bit of centrism in politics and in life. Whenever you take an extreme position you are "all in" like putting all of your money in a single stock. Unfortunately, I doubt that will be the outcome of this thread.
          • by Junta ( 36770 )

            So I understand the policies that lead to headache in Texas, the 'no grid to other states if Texas can't keep up' and 'allow residential customers to get surge pricing that can bankrupt them unexpectedly'. I also see that Texas doesn't even manage to be very cheap, e.g. my state is fully connected and no surge pricing and still my rates are lower than Texas rates.

            I don't understand California situation. Their utilities are allowed to charge one of the highest rates in the nation. One would think with one

      • He didn't forget it. Some tool beat him to that higher up in the thread. It was one of the first replies.
    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      Don't they usually blame power problems on solar panels?

  • Frdom (Score:5, Funny)

    by locater16 ( 2326718 ) on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @06:50PM (#63619302)
    Freedom from the damned government! I dunt want no government telling me whut ta do with muh lectrics.

    That's why I support this badly run government supported monopoly over power distribution in Texas. The freedom to avoid open market competition, reliable power delivery, and having even the possibility of avoiding human civilization destroying climate change is my fascist given right daggumit!
  • Ha (Score:5, Funny)

    by ArchieBunker ( 132337 ) on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @06:51PM (#63619306)

    How's that de-regulated market working out for you guys?

    • Dont knock it (Score:5, Interesting)

      by Roger W Moore ( 538166 ) on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @07:02PM (#63619348) Journal
      I think it's great. Just think how much more attractive home solar panels, heat pumps and batteries are going to look in Texas if you have prices like this. The greed of power companies may well achieve what scientific evidence and rational argument cannot.
      • That's a fair point, honestly. Exorbitant utility prices are a great driver of renewable and off-grid energy.

        Then again, knowing Texas they'll pass a law that makes people pay utility rates on power they generate themselves or limit the number of panels you can legally use without paying fees. Then they'll limit the number of gallons of rain you can collect, and somehow make it illegal for women to order power service to their house, and find a way to bus people who use more power than they like and have
  • Texas is worse. Hypocrite conservatives love to claim blue states suck. I mean DeSantis tries to tell us California is dangerous, but Florida has higher murder, drug overdose, and suicide rates than California. Republican run Miami is more deadly than San Francisco. Yet DeSantis loves to claim that California is dangerous. Nobody except me bothered to check the actual facts and murder statistics.

    • by sfcat ( 872532 )
      Yes yes, the other side is worse. Dude, you both suck. And what you both have in common is that you both elect ideologues who inject politics into engineering and you get unnecessary price spikes, blackouts, forest fires, and extra CO2 emissions. You deserve what you get. How damn incompetent do you have to be to have the level of money and power that both CA and TX have and no be able to keep the damn lights on. JFC, you both have problems, pot meet the kettle. If you can't keep the lights on, the pr
  • Just like in 2021 (Score:5, Informative)

    by quonset ( 4839537 ) on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @06:55PM (#63619324)

    During the Great Texas Freeze of 2021 where hundreds of people froze to death, governor Greg Abbott ordered Ercot to go with sky high, usurious, price-gouging rates to customers [newsweek.com]. The only slight difference is two years ago rates went as high as $9,000 per megawatt, compared to the paltry $2,500 being shoved down Texans throats this time.

    Needless to say, all the bribers, er, contributors to Abbott and other Republicans had really great profits in 2021. Will be interesting to see how big their profits are now with a captive audience.

    • When the utility is regulated, it gets relief from liability. "I follow all the regulations, and if something goes wrong, not my fault".

      When they removed regulations, they should have also repealed liability relief. They should have demanded the utility to carry liability coverage.

      Instead they got relief from both regulations and liability. But as long as Texans are voting against their own interests, nothing will work.

      • it gets relief from liability

        Yes and no. They have some ability to discount their actions as "mandated by regulations" but those regulations also impose severe maintenance, pricing, and SLA requirements that they have to do a lot of work to meet which prevents a lot of the issues Texas is seeing with the deregulated market.

        They wouldn't be able to just flip to regulated and leave everything as it is, then say "Oops, not our problem, regulators are supposed to fix it" when their outdated and broken infrastructure results in mass pow

  • by jheie393939xmxm ( 6396020 ) on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @07:00PM (#63619342)
    June 2022 Texas power was around $0.26/kwh. The rate in the article is $2.50/kwh.
    • by Bahbus ( 1180627 )

      Nor is the baseline important. Doesn't matter if it's normally $0.01/kWh or $1.00/kWh. Price surging due to incompetence on ERCOT's part is the only thing that matters here.

      • Nor is the baseline important. Doesn't matter if it's normally $0.01/kWh or $1.00/kWh. Price surging due to incompetence on ERCOT's part is the only thing that matters here.

        Incompetence, or deliberate?

    • So, according to this handy calculator [energyusecalculator.com], running your AC (air conditioning, not you, Anonymous Coward) for 3 hours at this rate would cost you $26.
      Yikes!
  • by sonlas ( 10282912 ) on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @07:02PM (#63619350)

    Isn't Texas the world fifth largest generator of wind power [weforum.org].

    Oh; this is because we are talking about capacity, which is ~38000MW. However, at the time of peak demand, it was only providing 4700MW. That's 12% of the installed capacity.

    To be fair, solar was a bit better off (luckily because AC was more needed during day time of course), providing 11000ish MW.

    That said, solar and wind were basically providing 14% + 6% of the needed power, the rest being from natural gas (~58%, bad) and coal (~7%, worse) and lignite (8%, so worse).

    Brace yourself, the oncoming years are going to be fun.

    • Brace yourself, the oncoming years are going to be fun.

      Texas is always fun. Always wearing a clown nose.

  • by gillbates ( 106458 ) on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @07:02PM (#63619352) Homepage Journal

    What I love about Texas is that not only is the grid unreliable, but before finally dropping power to your home, you'll get stuck with a bill for an extra grand or two for the power you used before the outage.

    I can think of no better argument for reducing your carbon footprint via rooftop solar than Texas. As much as progressives talk about green energy, Texas is actually making it happen. Granted, you may not agree with their methods, but I can think of no better argument for solar power than unreliable, overpriced electricity.

    Granted, the sun doesn't shine at night in Texas, but it shines more reliably than the grid... And it's free.

    • What Texas doesn't like to talk about, is their power grid has three interconnects with Mexico. https://abc13.com/texas-power-... [abc13.com]

      Hypocrites will gladly fly their 'MURICAN flags while buying electricity from Mexico.

      • by sfcat ( 872532 ) on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @12:53AM (#63619972)
        You might also want to point out that most of that power comes from the world's largest nuclear plant operated by Mexico. Its 2.5 GW of CO2 free baseload capacity. When the Mexican government can keep the lights on and TX and CA can't, look real hard at who is running TX and CA.
    • by Bahbus ( 1180627 )

      I don't understand why, at this point, we don't just default all new buildings to have solar panels. At least in places where there are legitimately more sunny days - Texas, Colorado, Nevada off the top of my head. Solar roofing should be developed and designed to point where it makes more sense to use it even in cloudier markets just for the little extra in can help with.

      • by hey! ( 33014 )

        I think the improvement in battery storage costs that's coming down the pike will further accelerate that.

        Middle of the road projects are estimating costs for grid storage technology to drop by about half in the next ten years, which will do a lot to stabilize Texas's electricity pricing. Many of those technologies are scalable down to large commercial buildings which could allow some of them to operate off-grid most of the time.

  • "Day-ahead power prices for Tuesday settled around $2,500 per MWh at 5 p.m. local time in several zones, including Houston and Dallas.... That compares with next-day prices at the ERCOT North Hub ... that traded for $37 per MWh for the peak hours during the day on Monday, the U.S. Juneteenth holiday."

    From $37 to $2500, god damn. I'm assuming that gets passed on to the customers, right?

    So they can either go into debt to turn on the air conditioning, or they can swelter to death and save money.

    What a time to

  • Ran twitter to ground.

    Took Tesla out of the fertile soil it grew and transplanted it in the middle of Texan ignorami. Deserves it

  • Incompetent organization, ERCOT, is incompetent. Shocking. More at 11.

  • Simply the invisible hand doing some of its best work. This one's a beaut. I'm a fan.
  • The Texas grid is designed to create crises which then allow State Law mandated price gouging for the generators that provide power during the crises so that they can make a year's profit in a day. The name of the grid managing organization that sets these prices, Electric RELIABILITY Council Of Texas is pure gaslighting. The entire point of the organization is to create these crises periodically to justify the outrageous profits of the energy generators.
  • I'm a Canadian, but I real a bit about the Texas power system during the last outage. The system doesn't seem all that in terms of pricing.

    I remember something like 90% of all Texans are on a fixed rate plan. Meaning, they're paying the usual 10c/kwh of whatever. Note, I say usual as prices are normally like 8-20c/kwh depending on the state/province.

    So most people aren't going to see this crazy bill because they're on a fixed rate plan.

    For the people that aren't on a fixed rate, well that can be complicated

  • Isn't Texas the original home of Enron? Does its influence linger?

  • by Bruce66423 ( 1678196 ) on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @04:55AM (#63620250)

    Which is the obvious way forward to cope with the demands of air con.

  • Texas grid can't handle hot weather......do you really think it could it could handle state wide EV's ?? Nope ! Also right now in several states, power has been out for over 100 hours, EV'S will be daed and gas powered cars still rolling !
  • Before we get all sanctimonious "look how Republicans are stupid hurr durr" * let's remember that California is likewise a basket-case.

    One could almost draw the conclusion that EITHER single party running the show for too long invariably ends up delivering exactly the society their (one sided, dogmatically-driven) policies promise and the result is, predictably, a shitshow.

    *I've read at +4, too late....

  • Inducing record temperatures is tough, but it just might work.

  • The Texas population has increased from 20 million to 30 million in the last 20 years. Maybe we need a few more nuclear power plants? Yes it takes a long time to build them, but if you don't get started, you'll never have them.

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