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Costa Rica Goes 75 Days Powering Itself Using Only Renewable Energy 317

An anonymous reader writes with news about an impressive renewable energy accomplishment in Costa Rica. Costa Rica has achieved a clean energy milestone by using 100 per cent renewable energy for a record 75 days in a row. The feat was achieved thanks to heavy rainfall, which powered four hydroelectric plants in the first three months of the year, the state-run Costa Rican Electricity Institute said. No fossil fuels have been burnt to generate electricity since December 2014, in the state which is renowned for its clean energy policies."
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Costa Rica Goes 75 Days Powering Itself Using Only Renewable Energy

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    by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Monday March 23, 2015 @07:15AM (#49319079)
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    • by jellomizer ( 103300 ) on Monday March 23, 2015 @07:22AM (#49319123)

      Hydroelectric for some reason is never talked about for green energy. Because of the Hoover dam image. A large structure that completely changes the local environment. The problem is in america, we are still stuck on the idea of Big Energy large grids covering the nation. We don't think in terms of small energy, having a small community powered by modest green sources. And every community can have different sources to meet their needs. Solar is good. But some of us live in areas where there is a lot of tree cover (and cutting trees isn't really the green option), Other areas have a decent wind, and others are near running water. These smaller sections will in agragate may take up more space, their impact is actually a lot less, as a smaller plot of land can heal a lot faster then say plowing down hundred acres.

      • by rmdingler ( 1955220 ) on Monday March 23, 2015 @07:41AM (#49319213) Journal
        Damming a large (or small) river runs the same gauntlet with greenthink groups as most non-petroleum energy sources: It is a bit of an eyesore and it alters the flow of a majestic natural resource. Ironically, environmentalists most interested in alternatives are the pickiest sort.

        I think it is clear that alternative sources of energy not only exist, but will be brought to bear once the easy-peasy carbons are depleted or no longer cost-effective.

        What everyone needs to come to grips with is that there is no energy source that meets our current demands without some negative environmental impact.

        • I think in the U.S.'s current situation it's hard to find things that even more moderate people would accept that are still big enough to produce a significant change in energy. A big hydro installation is really big, and typically requires flooding an absolutely massive area. China can pull off something like the Three Gorges project because it's heavily central planned and controls dissent, but I don't think you could get that to fly in the U.S., even if the major environmental groups disappeared tomorrow. Heck even something the size of the Hoover Dam is not that palatable to many people anymore.

          Maybe if it were really in the middle of nowhere, like damming up a river in Alaska, than the average person would be fine with it, and you'd have only environmentalists opposing it. But energy transmission is expensive, so damming rivers in Alaska isn't very cost-effective.

          • Five square metres of solar panel on every single domestic roof in the USA would produce a very significant energy change. 125 million houses * 5Kw is 625 gigawatts. Germany has 23 gigawatts of domestic solar panels, which, on a sunny day, is sufficient to power the whole country. Yes, obviously, it doesn't work twenty-four hours a day, or in bad weather. Yes, obviously, you need to find some way of storing energy, such as compressed air, hydrogen hydrolysis, pumped storage or whatever. None of this is rocket science.

            Bottom line: the USA could power its whole economy, including road vehicles, on domestic solar panels alone.

          • It's more a problem that pretty much any river in the US that is suitable for a large hydro project, already has large hydro projects built in the 1930s through 1960s.

            We weren't afraid of mega-dam projects in the past - look at some of the dams on the Columbia as proof, specifically the Grand Coulee Dam which holds back 9 km^3 of water and produces 6800 MW of power - over 3x what Hoover Dam puts out. And it's one of 14 dams on the Columbia.

            • It's more a problem that pretty much any river in the US that is suitable for a large hydro project, already has large hydro projects built in the 1930s through 1960s.

              I'm glad one person here gets this. Hydro power in the US is a moot point. Pretty much all of the power we can get from our rivers is already being generated. We can't replace fossil fuel use with new hydro power.

        • What everyone needs to come to grips with is that there is no energy source without environmental impact.

          Fixed that for you

          • "What everyone needs to come to grips with is that there is no energy source without environmental impact."

            True, but that doesn't mean we should throw our hands up and stop exercising judgement.

            Impacts can be weighed, placed on a relative magnitude and severity of risk/impact scale, and acted on accordingly.

            On such a scale, the impacts of for example, solar PV and wind technology are fairly obviously much less than that of continued fossil fuel energy systems.

      • The problem is in america, we are still stuck on the idea of Big Energy large grids covering the nation. We don't think in terms of small energy, having a small community powered by modest green sources. ... These smaller sections will in agragate may take up more space, their impact is actually a lot less, as a smaller plot of land can heal a lot faster then say plowing down hundred acres.

        Because small-scale power generation is inherently less efficient that large-scale. There's a reason why electric cars are better for the environment than internal combustion, even if the electricity is generated in a fossil fuel power plant.

      • by Kjella ( 173770 )

        Hydroelectric for some reason is never talked about for green energy. Because of the Hoover dam image. A large structure that completely changes the local environment.

        I suppose, a bit. But mostly because you need a lot of rainfall and a lot of height difference to make sense. Compared to wind or solar, there's a lot less room for expansion and to power the needs of the future. And putting small waterfalls in tubes is not very visually appealing either, here in Norway the ones we have left we mostly like to keep for tourism and preserving som of the natural environment. Sure you could put Niagara Falls in a dam, but it wouldn't be pretty.

        • by ceoyoyo ( 59147 )

          Bad example: Niagara falls was the first hydro-electric plant, built by Nicola Tesla and George Westinghouse. The US and Canada both have hydroelectric plants there now. The US also has a pumped hydro storage facility.

          • by Andy Dodd ( 701 )

            Yup. FYI the hydro facility's output is throttled based on time of day to make the falls look pretty at peak tourism times.

            I've seen claims that from 50-75% of the river's flow is diverted to hydro depending on time of day and season (more diversion is allowed in winter when there are fewer tourists) - There is not as much need for a dam thanks to consistent flow and the fact that there's a pretty hefty height difference, although there are dams downstream for large pumped-storage facilities (which provide

            • by ceoyoyo ( 59147 )

              I haven't ever been there in person when they're diverting most of the water, but there are pictures on the net. It's impressive.

              Winter is by far the prettiest time to visit Niagara falls.

        • by Jaime2 ( 824950 )

          Sure you could put Niagara Falls in a dam, but it wouldn't be pretty.

          They went through a lot of effort to get hydro power from Niagara Falls without ruining the tourist attraction factor. Instead of turning it into a dam, a three square mile reservoir was built and water is diverted from the upper river to this reservoir (mostly) at night. During the day, the dam creates energy by draining the reservoir into the lower river. No part of the power generation system is within a mile of the falls itself.

      • Hydroelectric for some reason is never talked about for green energy

        Hydroelectric is not usually talked about for the same reason that geothermal is not usually talked about, and that you won't find people talking about wave power in the middle of the Sahara, it's a fantastic technology, if and only if you have the geology to use it.

        Many dams are used for drinking water where you don't want to run out turbines, those that aren't already have turbines. It's not a very good green technology compared to say wind or solar which can be used practically anywhere.

      • by ceoyoyo ( 59147 )

        Hydro is certainly one of the things that works better on a large scale: large dams are much more efficient than small ones. Solar thermal as well. Wind too, though less so. Photovoltaics work fine on small scales.

        • However Efficiency is one of these numbers used to explain the lack of common sense. Sometimes the best method isn't the most efficient one. How much extra power and wasted disk space are you actually using in your RAID 5 Systems? It is more efficient to have everyone live and work in one building.
          But efficiency is only part of the issue. Having a lot of small power generation, while say wasting twice as much power generation, means no wide scale power outages. Also easy to heal environmental wounds.

          • by ceoyoyo ( 59147 )

            Relying on "common sense" is a far worse source of lack of sensible decisions.

            I was in New York during hurricane Sandy. The house I was staying was without power for about ten days. The Starbucks down the street didn't ever lose power. The long distance transmission wasn't the problem, it was distribution within the neighbourhood. Unless everyone had their own electricity generation capability, even neighbourhood level generation wouldn't really alleviate power outages much. Things like pruning trees a

      • by dbIII ( 701233 )

        Big Energy large grids covering the nation. We don't think in terms of small energy

        "Small energy" with a "big energy" grid spanning timezones and increasing amounts of HVDC to sharply reduce transmission losses can give a very nice "big picture". The wind is always blowing somewhere (although some idiot here argued for ages about frequent continent wide calms that never happen), rain/snow is going to end up somewhere on a continent, and that solar in Texas is going to be kicking out the watts before Califo

      • by lars_stefan_axelsson ( 236283 ) on Monday March 23, 2015 @08:45AM (#49319755) Homepage

        and others are near running water.

        In Sweden at the moment (where we have about 50% hydro, give or take), we're busy tearing down all the small dams and generation facilities in the south, since what puny amounts of power they generate doesn't outweigh the loss of fish habitat and migration routes.

        Truth be told, small scale anything sucks (with the possible exception of solar panels on your roof for AC and possibly charging your electric vehicle.) Wind and hydro electrics in particular work better the bigger they are. And when it comes to hydro electrics it's better to royally screw up a large river or two and get your moneys worth of electricity and to hell with the fishies, than piss about and destroy every little stream with not much to show for it. And no fish whatsoever, anywhere.

        • I worked in a building right next to a small hydro plant built into a waterfall. A large manufacturing facility nearby also had its own power plant that supplied some of the local houses. During the northeast US blackout of 2003 I rode home after dark and didn't realize the power was out until I got beyond those facilities. Small scale can work.

          • Yes of course it can "work", in the sense that it can deliver electricity. No-one is questioning that. However, they destroy a lot more waterway than what they deliver electricity, so since we actually want fish (to eat), on the whole, small scale hydro is a net loss and that's why we're decommissioning them.

            As a comparison there are about 2000 hydro electric power stations in Sweden, 10% (200) of those produce 94% of the energy... So there's clearly room for clearing out a lot of small plants without affec

      • by Andy Dodd ( 701 )

        Huh? You're not making any sense.

        "Because of the Hoover dam image" - what the heck do you mean here?

        Yes, hydro is not talked about, and yes, the Hoover Dam (along with the various other hydroelectric dams in this country) is a major reason why - Because it has ALREADY BEEN BUILT AND DEPLOYED FOR DECADES AND IT ISN'T MEETING OUR NEEDS.

        We simply don't have enough rivers to dam that we haven't ALREADY dammed. The USA's hydro resources are tapped out - and many of them are encountering severe problems due to

        • To US Energy Dept. estimated, in 2012, that there is ~12GW worth of power that could be tapped from existing, non-power-producing dams [energy.gov]. That's handily 10% more hydro than what we've got now.

          That same report estimates a potential for 65GW of new hydro power installations (85GW if you allow trampling of federal protected lands).

          The reason hydro isn't talked about is because of uninformed people like you who think there's no additional capacity.
          =Smidge=

          • To US Energy Dept. estimated, in 2012, that there is ~12GW worth of power that could be tapped from existing, non-power-producing dams [energy.gov]. That's handily 10% more hydro than what we've got now.

            10%? Check your math.

            One dam on the Columbia [wikipedia.org] puts out 6.8GW by itself.

      • The problem is in america, we are still stuck on the idea of Big Energy large grids covering the nation.

        There is a reaso behind that; 81% [wikipedia.org] of the US polulation lives in urban/suburban environments. Small communities make up a very small proportion of the US population.

        The main reason larger installations are used is called economy of scale. As things get bigger they generally get cheaper. Sure one could run a lot of smaller installations but they would be more expensive and less reliable. Why do we have such a big grid? Reliability. As one plant goes down for immanence there is always another to take up the sl

      • The problem is in america, we are still stuck on the idea of Big Energy large grids covering the nation. We don't think in terms of small energy, having a small community powered by modest green sources.

        Perhaps because we no longer live in small town agricultural communities? Unless you're talking about New York being a "small community".

    • by Dunbal ( 464142 ) *
      There's always room for dessert. But I don't like eating solar panels.
    • You said "look at Hoover Dam". Okay, I'm looking. I see it's situated in a nice canyon, flooded 100 square miles, and provides less than 1/10,000th of our energy needs. If you go find another 10,000 nice deep canyons, we can flood 1,000,000 miles of land and be okay, until there's a drought.

      Since we don't actually have 10,000 canyons, you end up needing to flood basically the entire area between the Rocky Mountains and the Appalachians - I've done the math.

      Costa Rica has a population of a few million -

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        • >. So why do I not see an article where it says that Houston and it Suburbs are 100% green over a 3 month period.

          Houston doesn't happen to be located beneath a mountain range, where it would get a nice flow of water coming in during the rainy season. Houston also chooses to have affordable electricity available year round. Steady, affordable energy is directly related to all the jobs which Californians are moving to Houston for.

          Houston also doesn't happen to have the volcanic fault line that Costa Rica

          • Hate to break it to you but California is not the only geothermal site within the US, there are MANY. Hell if you just include the ring of fire we've got, Cali, Oregon, Washinton and Alaska. Throw in the other sources and you add hawaii, utah, wyoming, idaho, montana and many many others. There are lots of spots where there is enough thermal energy close to the surface to make geothermal energy not only economical but cheap and clean. The magma ball under yellowstone is so large that it alone could probably

      • by dbIII ( 701233 )

        which is great when they get heavy rains

        Heavy enough for tropical jungle and growing sugar cane is pretty heavy dude.

      • think Houston and it's suburbs.

        Okay, I'm thinking about Houston and it's suburbs. Can we flood it and use it for power generation?

    • The real issue is that this will require investment in research and that means not making a profit in the next 3 years, which is about the duration of how far a CXO looks.

      And yet money is being invested. How do you account for that?
    • by LWATCDR ( 28044 ) on Monday March 23, 2015 @08:36AM (#49319665) Homepage Journal

      "The real issue is that this will require investment in research and that means not making a profit in the next 3 years, which is about the duration of how far a CXO looks."
      Ahh... No.
      1. There is not enough hydro resources in the US. The US has actually exploited a lot of them already. They US already gets 7% from hydro and has been using it for decades.
      2. "And there is dessert enough available to put a LOT of sun collectors." And no effective way to store it for use at night and the evenings. Solar only produces power for around 8 hours a day. Less in the winter. Storage is now and has been a problem forever. Lots of money is being out into battery tech but nothing is shipping yet. Solar production also does not match peak demand. It comes close in summer but still drops to near zero while peak hours are still in effect. Also most desserts in the US are in the south. They have shorter days than areas in the north of the US in summer and much higher temperatures which means lots of AC.
      Even Germany which people like to show as Solar working is really not a working system. They are going to massive coal plants for base load.
      http://www.businessinsider.com... [businessinsider.com]

      Costa Rica is a small mountainous nation that has huge amounts of rain forests. Frankly it was dumb for them to ever use fossil fuels for electricity except as a back up. In many ways they are like Iceland in that regard. The US has a lot of hydro resources and is using them but it is not enough to power the entire US.

      • > And no effective way to store it for use at night and the evenings.

        I guess you haven't heard of solar thermal with storage. You concentrate sunlight with curved troughs or steerable mirrors. This is used to heat a storage material such as thermal oil or rocks. In the off-hours you use the heat to boil water, and the steam runs through a tubine-generator set like in conventional fossil plants. There haven't been a lot of thermal storage units built yet *because we don't need them yet*. For example,

    • It's easy being green... if you have loads of opportunities to use hydro power. Hydro is the only large scale green power source we currently have that is a buffer as well as a generator, and will continue to run regardless of environmental conditions until the buffer runs dry. You can even top up the buffer if you have a surplus of wind or solar power, which is what Norway does I believe. But in densely populated and more or less completely flat countries like my own, we need to look at other green sources
  • electricity only (Score:5, Interesting)

    by gl4ss ( 559668 ) on Monday March 23, 2015 @07:17AM (#49319093) Homepage Journal

    or did they go all electric cars and boats too and start cooking on electric? they had a good rainfall.

    with this reasoning norway has been 100%+ renewables for a loong time(they generate more renewable energy than they use, and export the rest). sure, they do export fossil fuels too..

    • by lkcl ( 517947 )

      the difference is that costa rica is not considered to be a first world country, it's part of the emerging markets. also, all the other examples given (USA, Canada) are still using non-clean energy sources. the story is that this is an *entire country* running on *renewable energy*, 100%. that's a big hairy deal.

    • by Andy Dodd ( 701 )

      Interestingly, Norway is the reason Denmark is one of the few countries to achieve more than 20-25% grid penetration for wind/solar - Denmark's neighbor to the north has EXCELLENT energy storage facilities due to their geography.

      (When the wind is blowing/sun shining, Denmark sells surplus power to Norway. When it isn't, they buy it back. Note that they're usually paying far more than what they sold it for due to supply/demand economics.)

  • by stud9920 ( 236753 ) on Monday March 23, 2015 @07:19AM (#49319105)
    Now, they only need to install electric pumps for when it's not raining, and they're 100% renewable forever!
  • Big Deal (Score:5, Informative)

    by AftanGustur ( 7715 ) on Monday March 23, 2015 @07:24AM (#49319129) Homepage
    Iceland has been doing this since 1921 when the fist hydroelectric power plant was put in service.

    That is about 9500 days Iceland has Powered Itself Using Only Renewable Energy.

  • by Trepidity ( 597 ) <delirium-slashdotNO@SPAMhackish.org> on Monday March 23, 2015 @07:26AM (#49319141)

    A bit over 99% of the electricity generated in Norway is from hydro plants, because it has a ton of hydro resources.

  • Meh (Score:5, Informative)

    by Maury Markowitz ( 452832 ) on Monday March 23, 2015 @07:29AM (#49319157) Homepage

    Quebec, with 8.2 million people, goes 365 days on hydro all the time.

    • Re:Meh (Score:4, Informative)

      by cdrudge ( 68377 ) on Monday March 23, 2015 @08:28AM (#49319593) Homepage

      Right, you guys use hydro 365 days of the year. But not exclusively hydro generated electricity. There are several fossil fuel power plants, several dozen off-grid diesel plans, more than few wind farms, and a couple of biomass.

  • by rossdee ( 243626 ) on Monday March 23, 2015 @09:02AM (#49319897)

    We should stop using the word renewable for energy like solar wind and hydro. Its not theoretically renewable, but thats not the point. The point is that they don't emit CO2 into the atmosphere, and thats the thing that is going to screw up the climate.
    So we should be using the term Non-Carbon-Emitting energy sources. We could even use the acronym NCE but its probably already in use in some other field.

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      The problem being that nuclear power is also Non-Carbon-Emitting.

      And the people who favour solar, wind, and hydro often have a pathological fear of nuclear....

    • by tnk1 ( 899206 )

      Well, to be honest, if you look at energy sources, they're all non-renewable, if you are looking at the extreme long term. At some point, there is the heat death of the universe. Sooner than that, the sun is going to bloat up into a red giant and engulf the Earth, rendering the energy argument moot for our current habitat.

      In the sense that it will be a constant source that we'll have for the next billion or two years, energy sources that rely on current solar radiation are renewable. Not infinite, but re

    • by dave420 ( 699308 )
      The term you are clumsily looking for is "carbon neutral", and it's already used very frequently.
    • Then there is a case to be made for Hydro electricity not being NCE. First the huge amounts of concrete involved that take lots of emissions [wikipedia.org] and the area that used to be covered with foliage that is now under water and no longer sequestering CO2. Then there is the fact that many dams silt up [waterpowermagazine.com] and have reduced capacity or do not work after a number of decades,

      • CO2 generation isn't an impossible challenge. Since the concrete production is centralized, it can be sequestered on site, and concrete naturally re-absorbs that carbon over the decades. Even if you don't address the immediate emissions, since concrete production is a mere 1% or so of total CO2 output by the US and the entire lifecycle emissions (including construction, operation and decommissioning) for hydro is a tenth that of natural gas, you're still coming out way ahead [ucsusa.org].

        =Smidge=

  • Costa Rica is roughly 20,000 Square Miles.
    That's about half again the size of the NYC metropolitan area.

    Rewrite it to read "Tiny country you can walk across in a couple days...."

    Second, they're down on/near the equator. Long days. Mostly great weather. Now compare to Chicago, with roughly 30 days of snowfall a year (mostly in a period of 8 months)

    Third, they got helped by high (even for them) rains, allowing their hydro resources to run at a higher capacity.

    And, as others have noted, funny that eco-nuts

  • For those who keep asking why we can't store water during times of low electrical demand and use it during high, take a look at how the Lewiston Pump-Generating Plant [wikipedia.org] at Niagra Falls does exactly that. Generates massive amounts of electricity during the peak load times. Really an awesome bit of engineering.

    At night, a substantial fraction (600,000 US gallons (2,300 m3) per second) of the water in the Niagara River is diverted to the forebay by two 700-foot (210 m) tunnels. Electricity generated in the Moses plant is used to power the pumps to push water into the upper reservoir behind the Lewiston Dam. The water is pumped at night because the demand for electricity is much lower than during the day. In addition to the lower demand for electricity at night, less water can be diverted from the river during the day because of the desire to preserve the appearance of the falls. During the following day, when electrical demand is high, water is released from the upper reservoir through the pump-generators in the Lewiston Dam. The water then flows into the forebay, where it falls through the turbines of the Moses plant. Some would say that the water is "used twice".

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