Is Intel Selling Bay Trail Chips Below Cost? 156
edxwelch writes "An analyst at Bernstein Research has found that Intel is selling their tablet Bay Trail chips to OEMs below cost, concluding that after end rebates, Intel's tablet revenues are likely to be "close to zero," while profits will be negative. Intel has responded that the 'special costs' Intel is incurring are not pushing down gross margin. Intel needs to offer the subsidies to OEMs building $199-$299 devices to bring the bill of materials down and make them competive with cheaper chips from the likes of MediaTek and Rockchip."
Dice is selling out Slashdot with the Beta (Score:5, Insightful)
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slashdot has been dead for a while.
YUP (Score:5, Interesting)
Slashdot is officially being actively destroyed because it doesn't make enough advertising revenue anymore [twst.com]
From the report:
Slashdot Media was acquired to provide content and services that are important to technology professionals in their everyday work lives and to leverage that reach into the global technology community benefiting user engagement on the Dice.com site. The expected benefits have started to be realized at Dice.com. However, advertising revenue has declined over the past year and there is no improvement expected in the future financial performance of Slashdot Media's underlying advertising business. Therefore, $7.2 million of intangible assets and $6.3 million of goodwill related to Slashdot Media were reduced to zero.
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If I've learned anything from the community here, it's that everyone has their shit figured out and runs their own small business which has at least a million dollars of liquid assets.
So a few of slashdot's smart asses need to get said asses in gear and preserve this place for the greater good; maybe even make it profitable.
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No need to be a millionaire, you should be able to buy it for a couple bucks since they already wrote down the value to zero.
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If I've learned anything from the community here, it's that everyone has their shit figured out and runs their own small business which has at least a million dollars of liquid assets. ...
Such excellent snark, I had to friend you.
Re: YUP (Score:2)
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It's even easier to post 7 stories a day when 2 of them are dupes!
I kid.
Fuck Beta, though.
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Well the beta of Slashdot is a sure way to drive the value down further.
As it looks like I, and many others, will not be visiting Slashdot after it changes to the new layout.
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And Slashdot Beta reduces the goodwill left in Slashdot Media to below zero, a phenomenon last seen with Stephen Elop and Nokia.
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Dice will come back with their quad core, out of order execution beta.
Re:Dice is selling out Slashdot with the Beta (Score:5, Informative)
More posts like this. Protest beta with on-topic posts. (bonus points if title is on topic too).
Editors are scared (Score:3, Interesting)
Looks like they're using their unlimited mod points to try to downmod everyone who posts on the beta.
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Look at the Amazon double-helix comments. Mass downmods everywhere.
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Yep, I noticed that. In a technology oriented site they could at least try to hide the blatantly obvious statistical anomaly. A small script with some randomness and delays would be enough.
Re:Editors are scared (Score:5, Informative)
That's OK. What made slashdot great is the people who love it, leaving insightful comments. Since they are currently only leaving comments related to beta... if you mod those down, there won't be much of a discussion left.
If they do manage to suppress the beta "noise", just bring it to their facebook page.
We'll go aggressively passive-aggressive then (Score:2)
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Thank you for your efforts.
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The hardest part, of course, is building up enough momentum fast enough for such a large community to transition. It may or may not work...
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Re:We'll go aggressively passive-aggressive then (Score:4, Funny)
I like http://httpcolonslash.org/ [httpcolonslash.org]
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Interestingly enough, a colon slash is pretty much what using the beta version feels like.
Or at least some kind of royal pain in the a....
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It's funny; if this happened on any other site the Slashdot editors would be all over posting stories about "censorship."
Whichever editor is doing this: how about you at least have the balls to admit it? Just put up a notification on the front page that you're downmodding all complaints about the beta site.
And yes, since you probably think you can do it without people realizing -- it's pretty damn obvious that it's an editor doing it, not normal users. Huge numbers of posts are getting hit with "offtopic"
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It's fucking timothy. Look at who's been posting all the stories today.
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Yeah, keep modding down timothy. Shutting the door after the horses have already gotten out. Might be better off spending that time updating your resume.
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Good, then it means they are at least SEEING the feedback. Doesn't mean they'll act on it though...
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I'd stay if they transitioned to OMG!!! Ponies!!!
Intel's profit methods (Score:2, Insightful)
Much like Dice should sell Slashdot before they dr (Score:1, Insightful)
FUCK BETA!! You are changing a formula for success that you obviously don't understand. Change can be good, but change is not good for the sake of change. Software and websites developed by people who do not understand their users will always be a catastrophe.
Is Dice selling slashdot below cost? (Score:1, Offtopic)
Only beta will reveal.
Desperation ... (Score:1, Troll)
Let's face it. Intel is desperate for their chips to still be used in things.
As people are moving to different forms of computers and different kinds of chips, Intel is getting squeezed -- the sales of desktops are down, and increasingly it's stuff like ARM processors which are running things.
I'm betting Intel is doing this to try to ensure they still have a market share, otherwise things are going to start looking pretty bleak for them in the consumer market.
Of course, I worry this is just going to have t
Re: Desperation ... (Score:4, Informative)
The chips in question, quad-core Atoms (AKA Bay Trail), are actually quite good - I have a Dell Venue 8 Pro tablet with that CPU and it runs Windows 8.1 quite well, with very useful battery life (IMHO)...
I think their strategy is to get the products in user's hands to overcome negative impressions from earlier Netbook/mobile offerings from Intel.
Calling attention to the beta fuckup (Score:1)
Is anyone writing to the advertisers to let them know what a massive fuckup is Slashdot beta? Perhaps that's the better way to communicate this idea to Dice
Boycott (Score:5, Informative)
Please post this to new articles if it hasn't been posted yet.
On February 5, 2014, Slashdot announced through a javascript popup that they are starting to "move in to" the new Slashdot Beta design.
Slashdot Beta is a trend-following attempt to give Slashdot a fresh look, an approach that has led to less space for text and an abandonment of the traditional Slashdot look. Much worse than that, Slashdot Beta fundamentally breaks the classic Slashdot discussion and moderation system.
If you haven't seen Slashdot Beta already, open this [slashdot.org] in a new tab. After seeing that, click here [slashdot.org] to return to classic Slashdot.
We should boycott stories and only discuss the abomination that is Slashdot Beta until Dice abandons the project.
We should boycott slashdot entirely during the week of Feb 10 to Feb 17 as part of the wider slashcott [slashdot.org]
Moderators - only spend mod points on comments that discuss Beta
Commentors - only discuss Beta http://slashdot.org/recent [slashdot.org] [slashdot.org] - Vote up the Fuck Beta stories
Keep this up for a few days and we may finally get the PHBs attention.
Discussion of Beta: http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op=view&id=56395415 [slashdot.org]
Discussion of where to go if Beta goes live: http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op=view&type=submission&id=3321441 [slashdot.org]
Alternative Slashdot: altslashdot.org [altslashdot.org]
As goes Slashdot goes Intel (Score:1, Interesting)
It is a sad day that Intel's big news is having to slash prices to compete with the likes of MediaTek. I'm surprised no one has complained to the ITC yet if they are effectively "dumping" these chip. While I recognize mobile's importance, the nerd in me yearns for the good ol' days when AMD and Intel were fighting it out in the x86 space. Kinda like Slashdot...
fuckbeta
Predatory pricing (Score:3, Informative)
I'm surprised no one has complained to the ITC yet if they are effectively "dumping" these chip.
I thought about that too, but I don't think it applies in this case. I think it's allowable to sell things below cost if you're not a dominant player. In fact, temporarily losing money on a product when entering a market is a common tactic to gain market share. This is distinct from predatory pricing [wikipedia.org], which is intended to force competitors out of the market. You would need to be a dominant player to do that, which Intel clearly isn't in the mobile space.
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I still remember when the original Athlon came out. That was the first time in quite awhile that AMD gave Intel a serious challenge. It is just too bad that they rested on their laurels for too long and let Intel power on ahead. The day Intel gave prerelease samples of Core 2 to be benchmarked by the tech sites was the day I knew AMD was pretty much never again going to seriously contend in the x86 CPU space.
Slashbeta is miserable a failure (Score:1, Insightful)
Dice holding, you are looking at this revolt and I hope you all feel like a bunch of dicks.
FUCK SLASHBETA
time to start a nasty rumor... (Score:1)
Fuck Beta (Score:3, Insightful)
The day I lose access to the classic version of Slashdot is the day I block slashdot.org at the border.
Your move, Dice.
I don't always comment, but when I do... (Score:5, Informative)
Regarding the fucking beta (Score:5, Insightful)
I'm not a guy who blindly follows what he's used to. When I got Windows 8, I gave Metro a try. It has some good parts, and I don't even dislike the look of it. I could have adapted to the inconsistencies, and the weird tabletness of it all. But after trying dozens of apps, I found that none of them worked as well as the desktop applications.
I like to think I'm a guy who does what works. Metro didn't work, so I no longer use it. I got a program that gives me a start menu back, and it lets me configure it to be even better-fitted to my needs than the stock W7 menu.
I gave Slashdot Beta a try, because I thought it deserved a chance. Perhaps all the hate for it was just small-minded traditionalists clinging on to the familiar. But no. Slashdot Beta breaks all the important functionality, and it makes it look worse. If it goes live as it currently is, not only am I quitting Slashdot for good, but I'll be throwing a proposal to my bosses about making a competitor, because the market for an audience-focused tech site will be wide open (I'm currently contemplating "Alpha" as a name).
Slashdot Classic has problems, certainly. Unicode is broken, HTML comments are stupid, the design isn't that great, and since the thing is still running on Perl I'm sure there's some hindrances to continued development. Slashdot needs a rewrite, a clean new technical foundation powering a new front-end design.
But Beta isn't it. With all the problems Classic has, Beta is a million times worse. I can't think of even one way in which Beta is superior - it is a step down on all fronts, obviously designed by people who never used Slashdot and only copied from other news sites and comment forums.
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Agreed, I went to beta on day one after being a mobile beta participant and what I saw horrified me. I wrote a very detailed writeup about what was wrong with the design and even gave them the tweaks I had made to their CSS using Tampermonkey to make the site less annoying, and yet absolutely nothing of substance changed between when I wrote them and when they foisted it on the larger population. Why the hell am I being asked to give feedback if you're not going to take any of it seriously?
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I gave Slashdot Beta a try, because I thought it deserved a chance. Perhaps all the hate for it was just small-minded traditionalists clinging on to the familiar.
Yeah, same here. I figured it was just some brittle whiners exaggerating things they didn't like. Then I tried it. Holy fuck, what a pile of shit!
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I'll be throwing a proposal to my bosses about making a competitor, because the market for an audience-focused tech site will be wide open
Good news everyone, the domain seecolonbackslash.org is available!
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Slashdot needs a rewrite, a clean new technical foundation powering a new front-end design.
Let's rewrite it in Ruby On Rails, yay !
Fuck Slashdot Beta Fuck Dice (Score:3, Insightful)
Fuck Slashdot Beta Fuck Dice
Fuck Slashdot Beta Fuck Dice
For the first time (Score:5, Interesting)
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http://slashdot.org/?nobeta=1 (Score:2)
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You forgot to Fuck Beta.
No, it's not optional.
No Beta! (Score:1)
Protest Beta (Score:2)
Dice, I am protesting the beta site. I will not follow any links from a beta redirect and I will not participate in any meaningful discussion.
Your new Slashdot design is hideous. The comment layout is an abomination which has always been /.'s strong point. The comments are why we come here. This isn't twitter, Digg or Facebook, we come here to get away from that. You will lose more members than you will ever hope to attract with your new and unimproved design. Please abandon your attempts to cash in on /.
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Slashdot beta sucks hot grits in my pants (Score:1)
FUCK BETA (Score:5, Insightful)
Can you see this on the beta site? If not I am sad (Score:1)
huh? (Score:2)
BETA DOESN'T WORK RIGHT ON LYNX (Score:2)
-1 ontopic (Score:4, Insightful)
Fuck Beta is the only thing to say today.
Re:-1 ontopic (Score:4, Insightful)
I will be joining in the Slashcott from Feb 10-Feb 17. No on-topic replies today!
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Actually it is not as off-topic as you think, the story is about Intel performing dumping... otoh, someone at Slashdot took a dump and TADA!!! Slashdot Beta was born.
Timothy is mass downmodding! (Score:1)
Timothy is mass downmodding everyone who posts on the beta. Look at the comment sections in the Amazon story.
Re:-1 ontopic (Score:5, Funny)
"Former US president (and everyone's favorite funny man) Richard M. Nixon announced his approval of the Slashdot Beta site.
"I was just telling Pat this morning as I made sweet Nixon love to her that what the web needed was a whitespace-riddled atrocity. Slashdot Beta is the Tet Offensive of discussion sites, so screw you, you stupid hippies."
Henry Kissinger was said to have been very pleased as well. Dr. Kissinger was quoted as saying "In Soviet Russia, Slashdot betas you!""
Re:-1 ontopic (Score:5, Insightful)
You are NOT a paying customer
Nope. As people are so fond of pointing out, we're the product. Since our displeasure with the new UX-infested abortion obviously, as you so correctly put it, "means squat to Dice," maybe having a bunch of "products" walking off the shelves and out of the store will get their attention.
Can't speak for the others, but whether or not I walk back onto the shelves on the 18th depends on whether or not they manage to complete the cranio-rectal extraction or not.
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Nope. As people are so fond of pointing out, we're the product. Since our displeasure with the new UX-infested abortion obviously, as you so correctly put it, "means squat to Dice," maybe having a bunch of "products" walking off the shelves and out of the store will get their attention.
With "ads off" button checked, (not to mention adblock and safescript running, I fail to see how I am a product.
It is hard to see what their game plan is here, at this stage, but judging by the layout you can expect an ever increasing amount of floating ads. They have hacked out huge percentages of real estate on each page, the entire right column is currently wasted. I predict this won't last as it will be full of ads (all designed to beat adblock) for the entire page height.
This is the camel's nose und
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With "ads off" button checked, (not to mention adblock and safescript running, I fail to see how I am a product.
Simple, because ad blockers are apparently a minority, even on slashdot, where the draw isn't the five-day-old articles. It's the community. Even if you're not looking at ads, you're commenting and taking part in the discussions that are what keep us coming back here (the same discussions which are marginalized and crippled in the horrible new design). "We", as individuals, aren't the product; "We," as a community, are.
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With "ads off" button checked, (not to mention adblock and safescript running,
Only people who post in the discussions get the magic "ads off" button.
What is slashdot without the posters? You think people come here to read the crappy summaries?
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What is slashdot without the posters? You think people come here to read the crappy summaries?
You must be new here. People don't read the crappy summaries or the linked articles.
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With "ads off" button checked, (not to mention adblock and safescript running, I fail to see how I am a product.
You are a frequent poster with excellent karma. People don't come to Slashdot to read the news articles that they could have read a week earlier somewhere else. They come to read the comments, and gain insights and learn "the story behind the story" from nerds in the know. People like you write the comments that create that value.
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Their chief revenue is from ads that are viewed by slashdotters
It's not just google et al selling our data that makes us "the product." The "customer" is the one who gives them money (the advertisers). What they're getting in exchange is exposure; our "eyeballs", in scumbag speak. Complaints and feedback go ignored, so clearly they don't care whether we like it or not: the theory to be tested by the "Valentine's Day Massacre" is whether they care if we don't like it enough to drop their ad impressions and, subsequently, their revenue.
Without users, they have nothing to
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While I might not be the customer in their new business model, I am indeed a paying customer. Does an asterisk not appear next to my UID for you?
I think that Dice would be incredibly stupid to move forward with their beta after today's protests. Since this is an almost entirely user-driven site, the users are the only reason people come here. Start driving the users away and what will they have left?
Bad Attitude (Score:2, Insightful)
The "fuck beta" obsession is actually making reading slashdot far more unpleasant for me than the Beta layout. A lot of people here are saying that the site leadership is totally ignoring the opinions of the community. Did any of you actually use the beta and the mobile site back in October when they initially solicited feedback? They were practically unusable, and Beta has definitely become much more pleasant to use by this point. That means that someone is listenin
Dice has written off Slashdot (Score:5, Insightful)
The editors are getting involved by modding down the "fuck beta stuff", but only this comment went from +5 to -1: http://games.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=4760775&cid=46174399
I think we have hit on what is really going on. Slashdot is being killed so that the brand can be re-purposed.
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Repurposed as what, worthless crap?
The people who care about the brand are revolting against changes to this site.
People who have frequented this site for over a DECADE are talking about walking away.
Sure they could try to forge a new brand â¦. for the pittance of users they'd have left.
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This is what happened to DIGG.
History repeats itself in the name of greed.
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Re:Dice has written off Slashdot (Score:5, Insightful)
1) Make Slashdot a popular site.
2) Sell Slashdot for lots of money
3) Wait for new owners to kill Slashdot
4) Make new Slashdot site with different name
5) Wait for everyone to switch to new site
6) Sell new site for lots of money
7) Profit!!!
First Time for Bad Karma; Expect More (Score:5, Interesting)
I've been posting here for years. I always try to be polite, even in disagreement. Accordingly, I have never been downmodded, except in a few cases of clear disagreement (i.e. a controversial topic gets "overrated", etc) and in most of those I generally get moved back to my starting score of 2 by others. I'm always at karma cap. Again, I ascribe this to the fact that the comments of someone who tries to be polite are generally not rejected by the community.
All this is to say that today is a first. I corrected a link to a comment by an AC here [slashdot.org] making it easier for folks to follow his intended direction to this project [altslashdot.org]. When I did this, my comment was downmodded OT into oblivion.
I don't claim to know who's doing this OT downmodding, but if even my little comment (which was on topic for its GP) was downmodded then we should expect it to continue. Your comments may no longer be welcome on Slashdot.
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"Again, I ascribe this to the fact that the comments of someone who tries to be polite are generally not rejected by the community. "
Depends on the subject. Certain positions on certain topics have historically received downmods on Slashdot, regardless of how sincere and polite the poster is.
I try to be respectful and polite, until someone else is not. When someone else has already been disrespectul, I no longer have any motivation to respect them in return.
But having said that, I am not a very "politically correct" person, and the vast majority of the downmods I have received have been due to my positions on certain controversial
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The editors are getting involved by modding down the "fuck beta stuff", but only this comment went from +5 to -1: http://games.slashdot.org/comm... [slashdot.org]
I think we have hit on what is really going on. Slashdot is being killed so that the brand can be re-purposed.
Well, right now it's back up to +4, so apparently some beta hata's are still getting mod points.
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So the plan is to drive away all the real users, because we use adblockers.
I've been here since the October Papers back in October of '98, and regularly get entrusted with 15 Mod points at a time, so I guess I'm a real user, but although I run Flashblock in Firefox so that videos only play when I want them to, I've deliberately never touched the disable advertising checkbox (because I know they need to pay the bills somehow and have considered it more than a fair trade), and don't run anything else that would block legit ads, so I don't know why they want to run me off.
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Oh, come on, moderators. Yes, I deserve punishment for being on-topic during this time of trouble. But can't you unite behind the Overrated flag enough to award me the coveted Score: -1, Insightful?
Re:Didn't this get them in trouble before? (Score:5, Informative)
Yes, but Intel is an American corporation which only manufactures outside of the USA
Pure B.S. [wikipedia.org]
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You can read "only manufactures outside the USA" as either "the only place its manufacturing occurs is outside the USA" or as "manufacturing is the only thing that it does outside of the USA." Which makes sense in the context of the following three sentences?
Hint: I live in the Phoenix area and used to work in Chandler. You don't need to tell me that Intel has fabs (and design, etc.) in the USA.
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And neither of those interpretations would be correct.
So you know about the US fabs. Presumably you also know about the design offices outside the US.
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Oh man, Digg. Remember how *fast* Kevin Rose went from former TV host to the most cocky motherfucker on the planet? Must have been a hard fall for a guy who had forgotten than his shit stinks.
Re:FTC issue? (Score:4, Insightful)
SLASHBETA - A violation of human dignity.
DOWN WITH BETA
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Error 17: random ';' outside of a function: programmer should be shot
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def slashdot_beta():
base = urlopen("goatse.cx").read()
return uglify_even_more(base)
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use strict;
my $slashdot = shift;
while($slashdot =~ /[Bb]eta/ ) {
print "Fuck Beta\n";
}