Ballmer Tells the BBC There's More MS Hardware On the Way 133
Microsoft has made hardware for quite a while, but not much of it as visible as the Surface; now, it looks like there's more where that came from. Dupple writes: "Steve Ballmer told the BBC: 'Is it fair to say we're going to do more hardware? Obviously we are... Where we see important opportunities to set a new standard, yeah we'll dive in.' The chief executive's comments came ahead of a Windows 8 launch event in New York, following which Microsoft's Surface tablet will go on sale. News other devices are likely to follow may worry some of the firm's partners. Mr Ballmer caused a stir when he revealed in June that his company was making its own family of tablet computers — one offering extended battery-life powered by an Arm-based chip, the other using Intel's technology to offer a deeper Windows experience."
We've come full circle in 30 years (Score:5, Interesting)
Microsoft was just a vendor of some software utilities. "Everyone knew" all the real money was for IBM, manufacturing the hardware.
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Hardware is an easy well studied and researched business model. You make it, people buy it, if it works that is money.
For software you make it, some people will buy it, there is a big black market of pirated software. Then once you get it you are expected to keep it up and running with fixes.
Now the Apple and seeming the new Microsoft model. You make the hardware and software. This fixes the piracy problem because it means for every hardware unit you sell you sell the software too. As well it makes writ
Copying Apple (Score:5, Insightful)
Company that was focused on copying Sony and then turned to copying Google is now trying to copy Apple. If Chipotle captivates the stock market again, they'll start making burritos. Or maybe they'll start making coffee if Dunkin Donuts goes into a growth phase.
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All companies "copy". Steve jobs built Apple on taking other companies' designs and tweaking them. [newyorker.com] So how's this less acceptable?
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Enough of this "copying" BS. All companies "copy". Steve jobs built Apple on taking other companies' designs and tweaking them. [newyorker.com] So how's this less acceptable?
It's less acceptable because they're spreading themselves thin and loosing focus on the OS and Office suite that make them real bank.
This is the ultimate outcome of a Corporate life cycle: The stock holders demand growth. They expand and diversify hoping to stave off death, but the reality is newer more nimble entities will evolve to take their place as new niches form. It's a fight till the end for relevance, and it's only really just beginning for MS, but I've seen it in Big Iron, Arcades -> Conso
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I was talking about their business model instead of focusing on their competencies instead of particular product per se, but that's tied up into what business model you pursue.
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He didn't "take" anything. Apple "bought" the rights from Xerox with Apple stock. Stock which, by the way, continued to increase before Xerox sold it.
Besides, if the company that has something doesn't recognize its value and has absolutely no plans to market it successfully, and the company buying that thing also improves it immensely, the only question left to ask is this: Does that make the company that buys it an innovator (as they have had to innovate to improve) or a savior of the technology? Especiall
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Posted from my MacBook Pro running OSX 10.8.2.
Bad news for Nokia (Score:2)
Surface phones won't matter at all to anybody other then Nokia. HTC and the like have no real investment in the platform and don't care. They're just making phones mostly to shut up patent issues and to hedge their bets.
Nokia is all in, however. If Microsoft releases a Surface phone, it's a vote of no-confidence in their main Windows Phone partner's ability to get it done. Or in it's ability to survive, given how well WP7 went for Nokia.
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Nokia is all in, however. If Microsoft releases a Surface phone, it's a vote of no-confidence in their main Windows Phone partner's ability to get it done. Or in it's ability to survive, given how well WP7 went for Nokia.
You do not, suddenly in six months, find the ability to develop phone hardware. Building up basic radio competences took Apple about ten years. This is one of the reasons they spent a long time doing iPod type, WiFi only devices.
This is a deliberate and reasonably long term plan to kill Nokia. It may have been a conditional plan; they thought that if Nokia went well enough they would let them continue as a partner. More likely, the whole thing was a set up as with Sendo. They've planned from the beg
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Yeah, and ..... (Score:1)
In a BBC interview today, Steve Ballmer said to his partners and customers further down the supply chain 'we've started competing with you in some small niches, but don't think we're going to stop there. We're going to keep expanding down the supply chain until we've completely destroyed your business model. Oh, and please keep buying Windows 8 licenses from us!'
Yeah, and your point being?
What I see is Ballmer moving MS to copy Apples's business model or as much of it as possible.
You will start seeing MS hardware fine tuned to their OS. A Windows 8 app store [wikipedia.org] and probably more lock down.
Dell, HP, etc ... well, eat shit and die! It's their wake up call. Move your shit to Linux or die.
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I was going to say something similar. If the ghardware companies got together with RedHat, Canonical, etc, and put out a polished version of Linux that their hardware supported perfectly, it would be good for them in the short and long term. It would be very bad for Microsoft in the long term, which is really just an added bonus. This would also finally get the video card vendors on board with providing proper drivers, and provide the extra push needed for games to be ported. Having Office, etc would likely
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This appears to be Microsoft's gamble. The problem is that a huge amount of their profit margin comes from the enterprise, where the PC still reigns supreme, and I wonder how thrilled many corporate and government customers will be to suddenly find that to keep using Windows, they're now facing a future with a single vendor.
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Maybe Microsoft is more or less following the Steve Jobs business model, where Steve immediately got rid of all of the 3rd party hardware manfacturers holding licenses for Mac OS? This is why you don't run OSX on your PCs from Power Computing, Motorola, Radius, APS Technologies, DayStar Digital, UMAX, MaxxBoxx, or Tatung.
Following along those thoughts, why can't the %$#@! Nokia board replace Stephen Elop and his 'strategy' with some bright Nokian with a perspective and actual vision? Stephen Elop should go
Of course, why wouldn't they? (Score:2)
After all, they're still flush with cash from Zune sales. :-)
"deeper Windows experience" (Score:2, Troll)
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Xbox 720?!?!? (Score:3)
Dude, it's been *7 years*. The standard life cycle since the Atari days was 5 years, and you haven't even ANNOUNCED a new console generation yet. And frankly, the 360 is looking a little long in the tooth.
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And frankly, the 360 is looking a little long in the tooth.
Compared to what? A new PC that's going to run a copy of... Microsoft Windows?
You don't have to to run fast if no one else is running fast in the market either.
Lets ask Valve (Score:2)
Valve, what do you think the future might be for Intel/AMD Gaming? Oh... hedging your bet and trying to cater for Windows/Mac/Linux so whatever happens, you continue to rake it in with your Steam platform and own games?
I see.
Once everybody gamed on a commodore... or atari (freaks) and laughed at the dos crowd.
Things change.
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Dude, it's been *7 years*. The standard life cycle since the Atari days was 5 years, and you haven't even ANNOUNCED a new console generation yet. And frankly, the 360 is looking a little long in the tooth.
I think they considered releasing Kinect as extending the life cycle of the console.
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The Atari 2600 was released in 1977. The next console generation didn't occur until the release of the NES in 1985. That's 8 years. Atari actually didn't stop selling the 2600 until 1992.
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he Atari 2600 was released in 1977. The next console generation didn't occur until the release of the NES in 1985.
Oh, to be too young to remember the Atari 5200 [wikipedia.org].
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That doesn't count as another console generation. It was just their previous generation home computer packaged in a gigantic case and given shitty non-centering joysticks.
The 7800 counts as another generation, but it was released after the NES.
Lets post fact not feelings (Score:2)
They don't need to announce a new generation of consoles.
Nintendo aren't competing with Sony and MS any more - the specs of their new console won't interest "hardcore" gamers, but will be fine for casual gamers and Nintendo franchise fans.
Sony are on the brink - their company is worth a mere $12 Billion, and lost $6.4 Billion last year. They went from having the all-time best selling console (PS2) to the worst selling 7th Gen console (PS3). They can't afford another technological arms race, and must be dreading the next generation console launches.
Microsoft have been booking a healthy profit from the Xbox 360 in the last couple of years, and will continue to do so until the next-gen Sony and MS consoles are launched. They have no reason to launch early, unless they are willing to pay $$$ to kill PlayStation completely - unlikely given MS's past anti-trust woes.
IMO MS and Sony (if they are smart) have privately arranged to launch as late as possible, and at similar times, maximizing profits for both companies.
Its not that I care but don't let the figures get in the way of any facts http://www.vgchartz.com/ [vgchartz.com] pegs Xbox360 at 69.1Million against Sonys PS3 67.4Million That 3% difference may make you happy as a fanboy, but from what I see there is precious little in it.
As for you comparing Sony's Financials vs Microsofts I would love to know how you did that,
Having a look at http://www.microsoft.com/investor/EarningsAndFinancials/Earnings/PressReleaseAndWebcast/FY13/Q1/default.aspx [microsoft.com] Microsofts Profit for the last three
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Hardcore gamers don't like 1080p?
I would say console gamers would surely appreciate that upgrade.
Hardcore gamers don't use consoles anyway.
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Xbox profits not so healthy.
http://www.microsoft.com/investor/EarningsAndFinancials/TrendedHistory/SegmentsHistory.aspx [microsoft.com]
Last 5 quarters of Entertainment Div's profits:
+$340M, +$514M, -$231M, -$253M, +$19M
That's $77M/quarter average. After spending billions on development.
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Since Microsoft doesn't break it out any further than what I listed, neither you nor anyone else has any more insight into the actual Xbox profits.
But playing along, if you add $250M for the last 2 quarters, you still only get $177M per quarter of profits for the division. Still going to take a long time to pay off the investment with that stream.
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Sure. Any more insights into MSFTs undocumented income and expenses?
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I keep hearing this "XBox is profitable" line, but considering how much money Microsoft through at it, has it even paid for the R&D and the marketing (read: dumping) that went on to get it to this lofty position?
Microsoft bought game console market share with oodles of cash robbed from other divisions. To say "well, it's profitable now" is a pretty heavy distortion of the situation.
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To simplify, no, the XBox division is not yet profitable, and having a few solid quarters does not mean a solid investment.
Competition (Score:2)
Sitting alongside all those Microsoft shills who have been forced to endure years of, having Apple and Android dominate the news with compelling interesting devices. Iproclame like mr First Poster this is the greatest news ever!!! Finally Microsoft have finally stepped up to take on the opposition, by promptly stabbing its OEM [and other] partners in the front...AGAIN :)
I'm astonishing after the launch of surface plans of "Super Ninja" devices using new input methods, or reinventing old ones, or hell puttin
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from the IBM Blue Ballmer Translator... (Score:5, Funny)
Input: "Where we see important opportunities to set a new standard, yeah we'll dive in."
Output: "We'll copy any product if it's a chance to make money. And if we can figure out how to squirt Windows into it, we'll do that, too."
The IBM Blue Ballmer Project is an artificial intelligence computer system capable of translating statements made in the unnatural language of Microsoft Chief Executive Orificer Steve Ballmer.
Apple vs $Someone, you ain't seen nothing yet (Score:2)
If you think the Apple vs Samsung patent battles are bad. You ain't seen nothing yet. The more Microsoft tries to become Apple the bigger a target it will draw on itself.
Me, until lawfirms go public and issue shares, I'm investing in popcorn.
Chairs? (Score:1)
MSX (Score:2)
In the '80, Microsoft created the MSX computer platform. I never actualy seen one of those for real so I can't tell if they were any good.
The Best Stuff (Score:1)
It's their software I Do
Windows 9 hardware (Score:1)
A watch that down loads data optically! (Score:2)
You get some special software that lets you build your calender in any windows machine. The calender could be exported from Outlook too. Then issue the comand "download data to watch".
Presto!
The screen displays a series of bar codes. The watch's reader can decode it and store it in the watch. They are partnering with Timex for this project. They are planning to call the
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Well you are kidding, but I expect that with Bluetooth 4.0 this is actually a killer app.
And there is a even a super successful kickstarter on the topic:
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/597507018/pebble-e-paper-watch-for-iphone-and-android
But yeah, I don't think you need Microsoft for that. You need standards (e.g. Bluetooth 4 is needed), component manufacturers and some good designers.
omg (Score:1)
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Who. Fucking. Cares.
It's boring hardware with a boring OS from a boring company that's spamming Slashdot with boring Slashvertisements that're making Slashdot boring.
Stop it! Stop it now!
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Re:Microsoft Hardware (Score:4, Insightful)
You had me going until your bought up .NET and ActiveX. .NET is really a failure. It wide use isn't in the .NET but in the quality of Visual Studios.
ActiveX is worse. Much worse, very bad. My mild mannered self in public will open ridicule anyone who thinks ActiveX was a good idea. ActiveX was a blatant attempt to take the thunder away from Java Applets. They touted it faster but that is just because it was for Windows and Intel Platform and IE only. in essence it is a windows application that runs in the browser. ActiveX opened the door to a lot of very bad and serious malware. It locked businesses into using IE for application and once IE had too many security flaws they were still stuck, because there were too many idiot vendors who were MS shills that put their technology in their systems.
I am fine with most of Microsoft products. but ActiveX is the choice of Idiots.
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The fact that this is modded insightful shows the groupthink of anti-MS hatred without even looking at the facts. .NET is wildly successful, even if you believe it not to be true.
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As I commented, the success of .NET isn't in .NET it is in the quality of Visual Studios. .NET The speed of Java but only runs on Windows. Microsoft could had released an updated VB7 and C# without using .NET added additional libraries. And our apps will be faster, without the .NET overhead. It is the fact that Visual Studios when got upgraded went to .NET leaving us in the cold if we did other languages
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No, .NET is simply there, as part of a decent IDE, and little else.
By itself, it was/is a way to quickly get a job as a programmer without having to learn all that fluff like design, efficiency, portability, or flexibility. Aside from Miguel D'Icaza (who seriously drank the koolaid on that one), I doubt that any serious programmer who knows more than one language would consider it as the top choice.
Visual Studio is great for writing code in C/C++. OTOH, .NET on its own is rather bloated, shifts drastically
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There are many programmers who consider it a better choice than Java. And in many respects it is, if portability is not a concern.
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.NET on its own is rather bloated, shifts drastically over time, seems determined to generate carpal tunnel syndrome, is severely limited in platform scope, and has its upgrade treadmill dial set to '11'.
Says someone who's obviously never developed in it. There have only been about 5 major releases (1.1, 2.0, 3.5, 4.0, 4.5) with one lesser release (3.0) across three runtimes (1.0, 2.0, 4.0). The API is stable - 2.0 code will compile with very few changes on 4.5. C#, for all its detractors, is a rather elegant language that has helped drag Java into the new millennium. Plus, the IntelliSense support in Visual Studio is unmatched (in my experience).
So you know, I've spent my entire career so far working with
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By comparison, guess how many releases of C -or- C++ have occurred over the past 40 years? ;)
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Not a fair comparison - not even close. You're comparing language specs with APIs.
You'd be much better off asking about the number of versions of GTK+ (28 significant releases to date) compared to .NET (at most 8).
And I'll head off anyone mentioning .NET Compact - that's separate, and has had 4 major versions. I'll also head off .NET Micro (at most 3), Silverlight (5) and WinRT.NET (1).
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Agreed. MS's .NET / C# is a competitor to Java. Using that huge runtime for native C/C++ coding is a bit silly, esp. when cross platform alternatives exist (GTK, Qt, etc), but a failure .NET is not.
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The existence of the
That being said, APIs are have and forever will be Microsoft's Achilles heel. Also it took too much time to get WPF right. Development infrastructure is also on the costly side when compared to Java. Java offers s
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While it is an OLE update/rebranding. However by adding support in IE, it was meant to derail Java Applets. Advertisments pointing out the speed, and additional features that Java didn't put in for good security reasons. It was an attempt to make a quick Java Applet replacement once they realized that at the time Java Applets were gathering attention.
It was rebranded to solve a real problem... They didn't like Java, and the fact that it ran on non MS systems, that was the problem, and ActiveX was the solu
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This is definitely satire.
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COM had its own introspection - IDispatch offered the ability to query for the type of an object, and then you could use typelib APIs to enumerate members and dynamically invoke them. It's just built in layers on top of basic COM (which is simply IUnknown).
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ActiveX was a CORBA implementation, so it was hardly Microsoft alone that was responsible for it.
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ActiveX was a CORBA implementation, so it was hardly Microsoft alone that was responsible for it.
Say what? I've worked with both CORBA and ActiveX. If you think ActiveX is a Corba implementation then you must see a big flashing "I'm a moron" when you look in the mirror. Maybe if they had kept developing COM+ and ActiveX they would have become a CORBA implementation, but as it was--not even close.
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ActiveX might not have been good, but it sure was innovative.
'Innovative' in the sense that everyone else realised what a stupid idea it was and didn't even consider implementing it.
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> Every company out there is looking for a way out from under the M$ thumb
Something tells me you've never worked in enterprise IT, anywhere. No one is, certainly not everyone.
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you might want to run that by the enterprise finance guys.
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And how is this brand new UI going to work out for MS. The average user will find KDE more familiar than what's about to be dumped on them.
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Compared to the lost hours of productivity changing to a new version of Windows, switching to Linux seems like a much better alternative where you know you won't need to be retraining people every couple of years.
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Aside from workstations and those orgs who are Microsoft partners, can you point to an example of an enterprise which prefers Microsoft solutions?
Even Intel is shifting away from the damned thing. When I worked there, we released all of our SDK/PDKs as Linux VMs. Three reasons why: One, licensing costs dropped to $0.00. Two, it was a hell of a lot more efficient to give a customer a perfect copy of a 'golden box' to compile on and make further copies of, than to try and wet-nurse them through setting up a w
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Thanks "DogFaces". Having read many of your insightful comments on Slashdot over the years, I always value your opinion.
Hang on, I was thinking of someone else. You're an MS shill who's created yet another new account for yet another pro-MS first post. Thanks for nothing.
Re:Microsoft Hardware (Score:5, Insightful)
They still make the mice, not sure about joysticks(which seem to have fallen off a cliff in terms of popularity of late, except for console thumbsticks), and said mice are still a decent deal. In OEM packaging they are substantially cheaper than the 'fancy' opticals; but the fit and finish are markedly better than the $3 "Inland" and other mystery mice.
What I'm more concerned about is the possibility that Microsoft's hardware plans are basically going to boil down to some unwholesome mixture of Xbox and Apple: reasonably well polished; but indifferent or downright hostile to anything except the firmware it shipped with and the increasingly tightly integrated set of first-party online services and 3rd party products officially blessed by the vendor...
For all its messiness, the seething pit of Wintel gear has(if at times only through apathy, and the need to make sure that WinXP doesn't freak out despite being a decade old) been a great boon to our ability to run free software on hardware with a useful price/performance ratio and good absolute performance without playing a risky cat-and-mouse game with an overtly hostile vendor.
It would be a great pity indeed to see MS start xboxing the Wintel world into a bunch of opaque appliances.
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That was before they were corrupted with MS-DOS, but I'll grant to you that Microsoft has been in the hardware business for quite some time. Microsoft branded mice and keyboards have been around for decades as well, along with other kinds of equipment.
The difference is that Microsoft is now becoming a competitor to what was their bread and butter customer base (computer manufactures imposing the "Microsoft tax" upon future computer users). For whatever reason, Microsoft is deciding they don't need those
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I got myself a Transformer Prime(warts and all; I knew most of the problems beforehand and bought it nevertheless) and I find I use my laptop less and less. sometimes I don't even bring it with me on business trips.
The tablet come ultrabook strategy is a sound one. Pity RT/8 are not binary compatible.
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I am a linux nerd, and well Windows RT looks damn attractive to having an office-friendly tablet in my household....because really that's about as far as Microsoft will ever get in my house.
But damn, I want (wife needs) one more than I think I need another droid device in my house. Pretty slick indeed.
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Quick! Start tablet. Fire up file browser. Ah! There ain't no place like
Any platform that gets dosbox/ScummVM ported to shall henceforth be considered a success. Mame and UAE are also important. Does it run Xenon2 on an Amiga emulation? Does it support a run of the mill bluetoothed game controller? Android does that. iThings don't. Therefore iThings stink. Does RT stink?
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Well being ARM it's going to be a brave new world but at least there will be build tools and APIs to support RT and x86 one supposes. Consider me optimistic about Win8 and positively enthused when it comes to the MS tablet.
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Logitec? When did they finally set up their own factory?
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Anyone remember those old MS keyboards and joysticks? They were and are always quality hardware, so I'm happy with these news. Another great hardware manufacturer is Nokia, who are partnering too.
Anyone else think that that there is a massive difference between a keyboard and fully functioning computer device! I think the Xbox 360 is any measure of quality thinks are going to go badly!
Interestingly Nokia used to be a great Manufacturer in Finland[even had a meme], is now outsourcing everything to China. ...at least Microsoft and Nokia got to create third party patent troll!
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..there's less difference these days than you might think.
Computers are largely SOC designs with RAM and flash added. The packaging makes the product, and the biggest variable on quality is the components used to regulate power. Microsoft has a good understanding of both those - on a positive, from a design perspective, and .. well, you've heard about xbox power supplies. :)
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Microsoft has a good understanding of both those - on a positive, from a design perspective, and .. well, you've heard about xbox power supplies.
Note to Sheldon: that was sarcasm.
Re:Microsoft Hardware (Score:5, Interesting)
The XBox was a loss-leader to sell games. It had to be cheap. The new tablet isn't cheap.
I think Microsoft has a weird advantage here. They're "competing" with their customers. If they create a flagship device to set the bar high, it keeps the market from becoming a race to the bottom.
All sales profit Microsoft, so it doesn't matter if *their* hardware doesn't get deep marketshare, as long as the combined market is large. Currently, the race to the bottom hasn't done well for PCs, creating shovelware minefields and overall bad user experiences.
That said, I'm sure Ballmer will find a way to screw up. He always does.
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Currently, the race to the bottom hasn't done well for PCs, creating shovelware minefields and overall bad user experiences.
Enough with the race to the bottom. That is called capitalism, and on the whole it worked. I have a cheap great PC, and I use Linux. Lets be honest even Apple computers are awfully similar. To be fair very little goes wrong with computers, apart from the OS. Even dirt cheap OEM machines just work.
Microsoft takes all the profit, but without them taking chances they deserve everything they get.
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The Xbox 360 had serious manufacturing or design issues. Most people think the reason was that MS launched it like software: Release it even though it had bugs and fix them later.
No, the Xbox 360, for about a year of production, had the exact same problem a ton of consumer electronics had -- a shift to lead free solder lead to some dynamics related to heat and failure that wasn't expected. That happened with DVD players, TVs, and a slew of other hardware at the same time.
Just like every other company at the time, the manufacturers of the 360 figured out how to manage heat and solder components properly to not have surface mount parts come loose.
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This is a great point and a reason Google must make use of that moto mobility purchase ASAP. My personal view of Android is that a "pure" install is fine, but the hardware + software that most devices have is crap. If google sets the bar high, they can compete with apple and i might have a choice next time i buy a phone.
Microsoft benefited by seeing what went wrong with the android licensing approach in this space. They're far behind, but they got to see what not to do too. I can't wait to see tablet da
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You might as well add "Disclaimer: I'm paid by MS to say this" to your posts...
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At least he's getting paid- the Linux chumps are pushing shitty GUIs and syntax MANGLED with bad puns for free.
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Re:Microsoft Hardware (by logitech) (Score:4, Interesting)
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No I don't remember them because MS never really made hardware themselves before the XBox. The keyboards, mice and joysticks were made by Logitech and simply rebadged just as Dell and a host of other companies did. This is a blatant case of astroturfing.
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This isn't really the same as peripherals, and nokia is probably the biggest victim of this move as it's completely dependent on wp8 sales for its smartphone division.