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Is an International Nuclear Fuelbank a Good Idea? 187

An anonymous reader writes "A roundtable at the Bulletin of the Atomic Sciences explores the notion of nuclear fuel banks which would offer nations a guaranteed supply of low-enriched uranium if they renounce the right to enrich on their own. From the article: 'The basic idea behind an international fuel bank is that it would, in a reliable and nondiscriminatory way, make emergency supplies of market-priced low-enriched uranium available to states that sign up to participate. States that opt for membership in a fuel bank would gain increased confidence that their access to reactor-grade fuel would not be interrupted. In return, they would renounce the right to enrich uranium and reprocess spent fuel on their own. Such an arrangement could be appropriate for a number of states. But for others, it might be less than ideal.'"
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Is an International Nuclear Fuelbank a Good Idea?

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  • by BMOC ( 2478408 ) on Wednesday August 29, 2012 @07:41PM (#41173583)
    What you would essentially be asking states to do is give up energy independence. It's a nice idea if you strongly trust every other nation in the world. The trouble is, even most allied nations these days harbor low-level suspicion of each other. That is to say nothing of all the ongoing conflicts and near-conflicts that exist. We're still living in a time of independent nation states that look after their own interests and try to avoid getting too pissed off at each other, so compulsory use of a central fuel repository is asking a lot of your average nation.
  • Secrets (Score:2, Interesting)

    by bugs2squash ( 1132591 ) on Wednesday August 29, 2012 @07:42PM (#41173603)
    So states will line up for their handouts and conduct enrichment programs in secret, denying that they do so. Where's the difference from today ?
  • Re:Won't work (Score:5, Interesting)

    by icebike ( 68054 ) * on Wednesday August 29, 2012 @07:50PM (#41173659)

    Those that sign up, will be at the mercy of the UN (useless nations), bank on it.

    Which is to say they will face no restrictions what so ever, and will be free to use the nuclear material for any purpose they want with no fear of anything but a stern "talking to".

    This probably amounts to a promise of refueling from the original reactor manufacturer, because most of these are one-off designs or made
    to specifications such that fuel rods can only be manufactured by one source. So realistically, you only have one country you have to remain
    on good terms with, and that is the country that supplied your reactor. Even if there was a fuel bank, they are not likely to be trusted with any
    significant amount of fuel, and would simply serve as an intermediary to process orders.
    So if you piss off the country that made your reactor the chances are you still would get no fuel, unless you could go to the UN and have
    them deliver a vicious tongue lashing to the country withholding the rods.

  • by Sir_Sri ( 199544 ) on Wednesday August 29, 2012 @08:09PM (#41173819)

    except that they're already dependent on someone for the uranium. That's the issue. Canada, australia, Russia, Niger, Namibia, Kazakhistan are the big net exporters, with south africa, communist china, the US, germany/czech republic, romania all have some mines, or at least reserves, but unless you're one of the big 5 (for want of a better phrase), you're at their mercy to actually get the uranium.

    Which leads to say, Iran, South Africa or Japan (or others, such as india, brazil, israel, the UK, France etc.). They all want nuclear power (or at least might want it), have no domestic source of the uranium, and they rely on someone to sell it to them. If the US vigorously objects to Iran getting uranium of any sort them well, they can't even have a civilian nuclear power programme, if china and north korea and russia make enough of a stink the same could happen to Japan and South korea. The Israeli's bank on being able to get their supplies from the US, and the US can always buy from Canada or australia, so they're safe, but everyone else that has a legitimate need for civilian nuclear power has a tough time saying 'I'm only interested in civilian nuclear power, but that other guy really just wants bombs".

    If you're talking about oil then sure, I agree, oil is in total worth so much money, and many of the producers so small that they can be forced into particular spheres of influence and the controllers of those spheres have no real vested interest in giving them up. Uranium is basically worthless in terms of total dollar value, 50 000 tonnes a year at $132k/tonne = 6.6 billion dollars a year as total worldwide production. Worldwide oil production is about 8 billion dollars per day.

    It's not like the people at question are energy independent with nuclear power now, this is about finding a way to expand that market so that lots more people can get access to supply without (further) threatening the security of the world with more nuclear bombs. Obviously it's sort of an absurd proposition, if north korea can build nuclear weapons anyone can, but it's an honest effort.

  • by girlintraining ( 1395911 ) on Wednesday August 29, 2012 @08:15PM (#41173873)

    so compulsory use of a central fuel repository is asking a lot of your average nation.

    I suspect this is just an excuse to justify developing nations being forced at gunpoint to buy carbon credits and other non-sense intended to cripple their economies. The only civilian use for low grade enriched uranium is energy. Power plants are expensive, and in many countries, if one or two fail, the entire grid for that country fails. Nobody has power. Look at India right now -- they have a massive energy crisis. While having access to uranium to fuel a nuclear reactor looks tempting at first, once they're on the hook, they have to pay whatever price is dictated to them, or agree to sanctions, etc.

    Remember the story of the scorpion who wanted to cross the river...

  • by Genda ( 560240 ) <mariet@go[ ]et ['t.n' in gap]> on Wednesday August 29, 2012 @08:18PM (#41173897) Journal

    As a species, we get together (good luck on that) and relinquish uranium and plutonium for any use on planet, and instead create a thorium based nuclear economy. Take all the uranium and plutonium and use it to build and power cities on the Moon and Mars. The cities on Moon can then beam collected solar energy back to earth in the form of microwave, collected by a network of geosynchronous satellites. Anyone who agrees to using Thorium now get's a share of the solar power coming from the moon so they have abundant Nuclear power now. Abundant Solar power later, and the threat of global thermonuclear war is eliminated (at least until the folks on Mars decide to nuke earth for holding back on the cream puff shipment or whatever.)

    The problem is simple. People claim to want clean, unlimited power. They don't. They want bombs. They want to make certain that if you nuke them, they can nuke you back. The solution is to give up the right to nuke anybody, so everyone can live with the threat of having ones home converted into a blue ashtray eliminated. Sadly there is a certain amount of trust required for this to work, and nations with good sources of yellow cake need to trade these for free thorium technology. Its really simple. Society is sick and we can either cure or perish from the illness together.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 29, 2012 @08:21PM (#41173935)

    This program is basically designed for Iran. What they are trying to say that if Iran gives up their Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty rights for enrichment, then the US and Israel probably won't bomb them for that reason. And if the US or Israel needs to bomb Iran in the future, it can be done knowing that Iran doesn't have nuclear weapons or highly enriched uranium that they can give to their allies. Even better, if Iran starts misbehaving, this fuel can be sanctioned. Finally, if Iran doesn't accept this program, then they must be building nuclear bombs, which gives the US and Israel justification to start bombing.

  • Re:Exactly (Score:4, Interesting)

    by fuzzyfuzzyfungus ( 1223518 ) on Wednesday August 29, 2012 @09:36PM (#41174459) Journal

    Guaranteed by whom? What are they offering up as collateral; their firstborn sons? Yeah right. Why would any sane nation accept (i.e. Iran) such a proposal?

    Well, any sane nation with a viable enrichment program might be a hard sell(which is an issue, since those are the customers that they actually want); but if I were Benevolent President for Life by the Unanimous and Wholly Uncoerced Assent of the People of some backwater hellhole or other, I could easily imagine that it might make decent economic sense to set up the cheapest, nastiest, scariest-looking bunch of fleabay-sourced enrichment apparatus that I could knock together, and then oh-so-magnanimously agree to halt the project in exchange for cheap, premade nuclear fuel and perhaps a little bit of 'development aid' for my fourth-best palace...

  • by ShanghaiBill ( 739463 ) on Wednesday August 29, 2012 @09:42PM (#41174491)

    They want to build nuclear weapons.

    Bingo. Iran has already been caught enriching uranium far beyond what is necessary for power plant fuel. They have already been offered a guaranteed supply of fuel from a consortium of countries, including both the USA and Russia, but they have turned it down because they would have to agree to inspections. They are not worried about fuel, they want to build weapons. This proposal would solve nothing, because it is not addressing an actual problem.

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