Budget 27" IPS Displays From Korea Are For Real 266
crookedvulture writes "Giant, high-resolution LCD monitors have been around for years, but they've always been prohibitively expensive. Good displays based on IPS panel technology command upwards of $700 for 27" models and closer to $1200 for 30-inchers. However, Korean vendors have started selling similar screens on eBay for roughly half the price. These off-brand models purportedly use the same panels as pricier alternatives, and in practice, they appear to be nearly as good. There are some caveats, of course. The number of inputs may small, HDCP support isn't guaranteed, and user controls can be limited. Those may be deal-breakers for some, but getting a 27", 2560x1440 IPS display for well under $400 will be a deal-maker for others."
sounds interesting (Score:5, Informative)
lack of hdcp support sounds GREAT to me. no license fee, no contribution to the bad ways via my purchase! no supporting a bad regime (hdcp) with my dollars.
I watch using a pc and I never care about 'protected path' content. my dvd's are ripped and saved on a nas, drm-free. I could give a shit about hdcp!
sign me up!
Buy local (Score:1, Informative)
So.. my only point is you don't necessarily need to go through some nefarious eBay listing if you look hard enough for deals, and support your local economy more than sending money through PayScam and the like...
I bought one 4 months ago! (Score:5, Informative)
Yep they are for real. Sold on Ebay mostly. You can read all about people's buying and ordering experiences at overclock.net:
http://www.overclock.net/t/1232496/crossover-27q-led-led-p-27m-led-2720mdp-gold-led-monitor-club/1800
My experience:
1) Bought a Crossover 27" IPS with swivel stand from S. Korea over ebay - $420 (Canadian) shipping included
2) Arrived in 3 days in Canada from Korea (If only Canada Post was that efficient)
3) Seller filled out customs form saying it was worth $150, I paid next to nothing in duty fees.
4) Monitor is freakin' awesome in display quality
5) Had 1 red stuck pixel that shows up in black background, but that you won't even notice unless you go hunting for it.
6) Monitor has no warranty, but at less than 50% of the cost, it's a risk you take. That said, seller did say he'd take it back if there was a serious defect/damage in shipping.
7) The IPS panel is the same one they put into Apple's 27" Cinema display, but didn't make the cut for some reason. I can't see anything wrong with it.
8) WARNING: There are practically no button controls on the monitor. Only brightness up/down and on/off. That's it!
9) The build quality of the 27" Crossover casing is superior to that of even Dell (read the forums above if you don't believe me). It is solid metal (not cheap plastic), and looks very stylish. That said, a word of warning, the monitor gets almost too hot in the back during hot summer days if I don't open the office window.
For $500-$700 discount, I accept no warranty, slight overheating on hot days, 1 stuck pixel, and only 2 control buttons.
Re:USA (Score:3, Informative)
to sell here, you MUST implement 'display protection' (its not copy protection; lets call it what it really is).
but, if they sell direct from overseas, they can skip this.
its a known loophole in many areas. you can even bypass U/L style testing (or CE testing) if you are just selling stuff over direct mail or ebay.
some of the stuff I've gotton direct from china would NOT NOT NOT pass U/L if its life depended on it. I stopped using some gear since, when I opened it, I found the wiring and parts locations to be unsafe (heat buildup, etc).
and so, you take a greater chance when you bypass some of the 'manuf standards' that are enforced on local sales.
Re:USA (Score:2, Informative)
to sell here, you MUST implement 'display protection' (its not copy protection; lets call it what it really is).
[citation needed]
IANAL, but to my knowledge selling a display without HDCP or whatever isn't in violation of the DMCA, it just won't be able to display content that requires HDCP. That's different from actively circumventing HDCP.
(Also "display protection" isn't any better a term.)
Are you sure? Microcenter claims it does (Score:4, Informative)
Microcenter Specs page for the EQ276W claims it supports HDCP. The one reviewed in the article did not...
Re:sounds interesting (Score:2, Informative)
Re:LOL (Score:5, Informative)
The one that I got gave a phone number and the address of the manufacturer (Yamakasi) in the back of the user manual, along with a map so you could drive up to the manufacturer and get a replacement.
In my case, it didn't even work out of the box, though. I sent it back to the Ebay seller, who claimed that it worked for him, but then stopped responding to my messages. I just filed a Ebay case, and got a full refund, but that same guy is still the main person selling these on Ebay.
From A Satisfied Customer (Score:4, Informative)
I'll make this short and sweet.
I got mine here:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230774446127&ssPageName=ADME:L:OC:US:3160 [ebay.com]
It is the most amazing and beautiful screen I've ever owned, and I've actively been a computer geek for 34 years. It arrived in 2 days. There are no dead pixels. I've used it for hours daily since mid-April with no problems.
Have a nice day.
Re:sounds interesting (Score:5, Informative)
Agreed, I work in the scientific field and getting a 120Hz or higher display to work without HDCP currently requires a little box that doesn't support HDCP just to kill the signal. Without the little box (Gefen DVI-Detective), the HDCP signal won't work correctly through any type of DVI-D splitter (one side will get the signal while the other one gets snow).
I love when I can find a display that doesn't support HDCP as it cuts the cost of circumventing HDCP. HDCP is killing legitimate use cases and requires work arounds that aren't obvious.
Re:Common practice. (Score:4, Informative)
Not rejects, just lacking a lot of the electronics (no scaling, no DRM, only one input, no colour management or image enhancement, no on-screen menus). They are manufactured to a lower spec as well, so they will tolerate the odd bit of dust behind the glass or a few dead pixels, but it is pot luck if you get any of that or not. Some vendors will check and make sure you get a pristine one for a few extra dollars.
I had a dead pixel when I bought my my 24" monitor. I massaged it out easily, but maybe I was lucky.
Re:LOL (Score:5, Informative)
I bought a Yamakasi Catleap 27" screen from bigclothcraft on Ebay, $330 Australian dollars delivered to my door by courier. Took only about 4 days from Korea.
I could not get the screen to work with either of my two PCs. I tried different DVI cables, different PCs, different video cards, no joy. All video cards detected the new screen, just nothing actually showed up on the screen. I eventually complained to bigclothcraft and they offered to pay for the return of the screen using their courier service account, which I thought was decent of them, however they did say that if it worked on arrival back in Korea they would charge me for the return courier service.
I then had one last go at getting the screen to work, this time using their supplied DVI cable rather than my own cables I had been using up to this point. Somehow this disabled the video drivers for my card (NVidia GTX560) but at least the screen illuminated and showed a low-res image. After reloading the drivers for my video card, the screen worked. Absolutely gorgeous picture, colours are great, haven't noticed any dead pixels.
Another oddity is that it will NOT work as a dual display, as soon as I have another screen plugged into my video card the Yamakasi goes blank. Since I only want a single display this is not an issue for me, but still it's a bit odd.
Last gripe is that the base seems a bit plasticky and flimsy, but I can live with that.
For way less than half the price of a 27" 2560x1440 bought locally, I am very happy with it, but be advised there are a few non-critical weird issues. YMMV.
Cheers,
John
You are the reason things are expensive (Score:4, Informative)
Idiots like you who refuse to read the manual. High-rez monitors require dual link DVI. You used old single link DVI cables instead of the supplied dual link cable.
Rather then just think or do some research, you cost the company support costs that everyone has to pay for even if they are not as stupid as you.
I really wish support costs were simply done through the costs of the phone call or paid for emails, so people who can read don't have to pay for the terminally stupid.
It is the main reason Dell isn't really cheap, all the support costs people generate is what separates hardware costs from the selling price. Yes, your printer doesn't work? Did you plug in the power? No? That will be ten dollars please to pay the poor guy having to deal with it.
Re:You are the reason things are expensive (Score:4, Informative)
Sure, if you know nothing about DVI. But then you should be buying it from from a place that provides guidance rather than a cheaper place that lets you work out that if the resolution is higher than the single link DVI standard allows then it won't work with a single link DVI cable.