Implant Gives Grayscale Vision To the Blind Using Lasers 165
MrSeb writes with a bit from Extreme Tech: "After a lot of theorizing, posturing, and non-human trials, it looks like bionic eye implants are finally hitting the market — first in Europe, and hopefully soon in the U.S. These implants can restore sight to completely blind patients — though only if the blindness is caused by a faulty retina, as in macular degeneration (which millions of old people suffer from), diabetic retinopathy, or other degenerative eye diseases. ... The Bio-Retina, developed by Nano Retina, is a whole lot more exciting. The Bio-Retina costs ... around the $60,000 [and] the 576-pixel vision-restoring sensor is actually placed inside the eye, on top of the retina. The operation only takes 30 minutes and can be performed under local anesthetic. Once installed, 576 electrodes on the back of the sensor implant themselves into your optic nerve. The best bit, though, is how the the sensor is powered: The Bio-Retina system comes with a standard pair of corrective lenses that are modified so that they can fire a near-infrared laser beam through your iris to the sensor at the back of your eye. On the sensor there is a photovoltaic cell that produces up to three milliwatts — not a lot, but more than enough."
Ain't technology great? (Score:3, Funny)
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I think if you were unable to see sufficently to function you would take this option! I certainly did when I got lasic.
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Indeed. I had a CrystaLens implanted in my left eye, and two years later a vitrectomy. Someone should tell the AC they don't use knives in eye surgery, they use needles.
TFS says "The operation only takes 30 minutes and can be performed under local anesthetic" but this is at least misleading. The first surgery I had (lens replacement) took over an hour and would be far simpler than this procedure, and the vitrectomy, which repairs a detatched retina and replaces the eye's vitreous with nitrogen gas took two
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Would you say that if you couldn't see at all?
Re:Ain't technology great? (Score:5, Insightful)
This is super cool, if it works, but I'll shit golden sunshine before I let someone near my eyeball with a knife!
If you were blind would you care?
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Eyes are very sensitive whether you can see through them or not. Personally, I can't even manage putting eyedrops in my eyes. I'd rather sit with my eyes closed until they generate enough lubrication on their own than use eyedrops, and that can take 20 minutes or so if I'm really stoned.
If I were totally blind, I'd probably opt for surgery. But it would have to be general anesthetic.
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Local anestethic is delivered as eyedrops and remove the sensation of pain from your eye.
But before that they give you some benzodiasepides which make you, well, high, calm and amnesic.
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Not that amnesic, I remember all of it. I especially remember kind of freaking out when they stuck the needle in my eye. But there was no pain, and I didn't feel high or disoriented, although they warned me that it was illegal for me to drive for the next 24 hours.
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I've had two eye surgeries in my left eye; an artificial lens implant and a vitrectomy. There was no pain in the eye whatever with either surgery, not even post-op.
Not being able to put eyedrops in is only a matter of your fear. Artificial tears don't hurt, neither do new contact lenses (back in 1975 when they were primitive, I couldn't use them, I tried).
Sometimes you can't opt for a general, for the lens replacement you can't be asleep, but I would imagine with this artificial retina you would have a choi
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If you were blind, how would you know?
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This is super cool, if it works, but I'll shit golden sunshine before I let someone near my eyeball with a knife!
If you were blind would you care?
You wouldn't even see it coming!
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That's a shitty analogy.
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Stop poo-pooing his efforts.
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You should try CXL surgery for a keratoconus, they don't actually cut anything but they drill away the upper layer of your cornea and you're only under local anesthetic so you see it coming. It looks just like a household drill with a small sander and works just the same. After that it's smooth sailing though and if you've gone from -3/-4 to -8/-10 in sight in less then a year you'll do pretty much anything to make it stop. I'm pretty sure a blind person would go through hell to see.
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Hope you don't get cataracts then. They used a diamond scalpel on my eye to pop that acrylic lens in.
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I've had that surgery. They don't use scalpels, they use needles. First they shoot ultrasound down the needle to turn the lens into goo, then extract it through the needle, then insert the artificial lens through the needle where it unrolls. Here [wikipedia.org] are photos and an explanation, which pretty much matches what the surgeon told me.
I hope you got the CrystaLens, they can actually focus. I don't even need reading glasses and I'm 60. I used to need both contacts AND reading glasses.
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Don't worry, you won't see it coming.
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It is probably worth pointing out that the vast majority of people with cataracts could dramatically improve their vision just by using N-acetylcarnosine eye drops daily for a few months. Cataract surgery should be reserved for only the most serious cases, and only when eye drop treatment has failed. Instead, surgery seems to be the default treatment in the U.S. And this is, in part, why medical care is so expensive here....
citation needed (Score:3)
A quick WikiP search indicated the latest evidence for effectiveness against cataracts of N-acc drops was not real solid (see 2008 Royal College of Opthalmologists statement), the the Wiki article also indicates subsequent evidence is available, but doesn't give a cite. As someone who's developing corneal opacities, I'm interested, can you give a cite or two? Tnx.
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There might be some additional benefits: Superhero vision http://www.komar.org/faq/colorado-cataract-surgery-crystalens/ [komar.org]
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There might be some additional benefits: Superhero vision http://www.komar.org/faq/colorado-cataract-surgery-crystalens/ [komar.org]
I can vouch for that as an eyewitness. I was severely nearsighted all my life with 20/400 vision. Then I got older and was farsighted as well, then I got an eye infection and the treatment gave me a cataract. My vision is now 20/16 at distance and 20/12 at close up; way better than the normal 20/20. No glasses, no contacts, not even reading glasses... and I'm 60!
You would have been better
Retina Display Anyone? (Score:4, Funny)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaHUpWuqNHY [youtube.com]
Re:Retina Display Anyone? (Score:5, Funny)
You mean the iEye? Sigh.
If such a product were available, I could imagine Apple zealots* lining up, waiting to poke their eyes out as soon as it was their turn...
(*Not picking on all Apple users, just the extremists)
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I am suddenly fearful for my retirement years.
I imagine loads of teenagers running around with augmented vision while I struggle to figure out how to configure the device.
Hopefully this doesn't happen before I can afford to disappear into the mountains and just go fishing every day.
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Don't worry, kid, you'll be fine. I have a CrystaLens in my left eye that gives me 20/16 vision at distance and 20/12 closeup vision. I used to have 20/400 vision. It's completely transparent to the user, as the best designs always are. I focus it just the same as a young person focuses their natural lense; no figuring anything out at all. Look at a thing, and it's in focus.
Your problem when you get old will be the same problem my 81 year old dad has with cell phones and computers -- a fixed income and an a
Careful. (Score:4, Informative)
I'm always happy for research done to improve mobility and functioning for disabled people. Not enough is done to help those who are vision, mobility, or hearing impaired. That said... be really careful out there. There's way too many people who are scared by anyone who looks different. Steve Mann was recently attacked [huffingtonpost.com] for having a digital eye prothetic by employees of a McDonald's. There didn't appear to be any motive for the assault other than a fear of his prothetics. His family was with him at the time.
I've heard similar reports of people being attacked who have brain implants to deliver electrical stimulation due to epilepsy, depression, etc. If it's visible, sooner or later some stupid neanderthal bastard's going to attack you for it. I personally think it should be a hate crime to attack a disabled (or 'augmented') person... but it's still more science fiction than science fact to our legislators to consider, I think.
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a shouldn't mess with nature/God/et cetera attitude?
careful, but in a different way... (Score:2)
...There didn't appear to be any motive for the assault other than a fear of his prothetics...
The apparent motive was that they didn't want to be filmed and were trying to confiscate his camera. Of course many business establishments have a policy against taking pictures or video (under the guise of security and patron/employee privacy, but more likely to avoid any bad publicity).
Unfortunatly, these folks were likely not well trained on how to handle this and as a result even worse publicity will result from this incident.
That doesn't make this event a hate crime against people with prosthetics, though...
My policy: you should be careful not to cry wolf when there isn't really a wolf, because when the wolf comes (and they aways do), people might have already written you off.
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damn preview timer, messed up the quote tags.. Oh well...
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Except this is invisible. If you'd watched the video linked in TFA, you'd have noticed that the implant itself is entirely hidden in the eye (and is smaller than a penny) and uses a specially modified but otherwise plain-looking pair of eyeglasses to get power.
If you get assaulted for wearing glasses, well, we have really big problems.
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Back when few wore glasses, glasses were the sign of being a nerd and we were indeed attacked, quite often. Worse than wearing glasses was wearing glasses while carrying a stack of books.
That was back when little TV was watched (three channels black and white, cable was in the future... most thigs we take for granted were sci-fi then) and kids played outside. A kid being inside all the time watching TV and playing video games and surfing the net will make him as nersighted as reading did back then... and ju
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this is for macular degeneration, aka old people (Score:2)
do you think the thugs on the corner are scared of blind granny? not at all
but: do you think the thugs on the corner might be scared of granny with terminator style cybernetic laser eyeballs? she just has to learn how to say "hasta la vista, baby" or "i'll be back", the thugs will scatter in the wind
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Modded negatively because (a) you didn't read through and understand the motive for the assault on Steve Mann (thus you are spreading FUD), and (b) you are trying to justify your ignorance with hearsay. Provide facts or state your case as opinion or just STFU.
Sayeth the chickenshit AC.
Re:Careful. (Score:4, Informative)
In reality the AC is correct and the grandparent is incorrect in his assertion that, "There didn't appear to be any motive for the assault other than a fear of his prothetics." Grandparent is apparently unaware that essentially all information regarding Mann's incident comes from his blog. There was thorough discussion on Slashdot about possible motives and I think it was generally agreed upon that the reason for the attack was a perfect storm of a) language barrier b) Mann's disregard for the rules of McDonalds, and from what I gather, unwillingness to leave (no filming or pictures) and c) McDonald's employees who are currently trying to keep their restaurant, which is currently under protest, from going under.
All this being said, AC's comment, though correct, was inflammatory with the "state facts or STFU" spiel at the end. It looks like there are only losers here.
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Modded negatively because (a) you didn't read through and understand the motive for the assault on Steve Mann (thus you are spreading FUD), and (b) you are trying to justify your ignorance with hearsay. Provide facts or state your case as opinion or just STFU.
Please enlighten me. I've seen several stories about the assault, but never anything about the motive. If you have a source that I haven't found, links or it never happened.
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Re:Careful. (Score:4, Informative)
As far as I could tell from the admittedly-scant information the /. story and linked article provided about Mann's implants & digital vision augmentations, it seems they were not designed, nor had as a normal function, the ability to photograph/video-record on command. The pictures of Mann's attackers were said to have resulted from the attacker's damaging the system resulting in the images being frozen in buffers.
If McDonalds or any other business that deals directly with the public in such a manner has a problem with the possible capabilities of such prosthesis, then they need to post high-visibility signage at the entrances stating that those with electronic-based prosthesis are not welcome on the premises.
Assault & battery is not an acceptable response in any civilized society. Then again, the French have never been in danger of being accused of being overly-civil to Americans visiting France. It's one of the main reasons I as a blues musician have turned down opportunities to do tours in France, despite the love the French have for American blues music.
Strat
Re:Careful. (Score:4, Insightful)
They may not have known that it didn't permanently record. They just saw a camera affixed to the guy's face and acted.
No.
They saw a prosthetic device affixed to the guy's face.
Because they feared what they did not understand simply because of it's appearance, and in addition, despite documentation he carried for this purpose they assaulted him.
I don't know how much clearer this can be made that they feared him because of his appearance with prosthesis.
Strat
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So, what will they do when visual prosthesis becomes more common, will we hear phrases like "we don't serve your kinmd in here! Get lost Po!
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So, what will they do when visual prosthesis becomes more common, will we hear phrases like "we don't serve your kinmd in here! Get lost Po!
Well, that's what C3PO was told at the cantina on Tatooine. :P
I could see the day when augmented people need a civil rights movement to protect them from arbitrary discrimination.
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There is this Docu-game called Deus Ex: Human Revolution, quite interesting and entertaining :)
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As with pretty much all posts with girlintraining, the post gets some basic information right, and then goes off on a wild goose chase. The attack was motivated by his implant, but the motivation was absolutely not "he looked different". Instead, they objected to the fact that the camera was photographing them, which was counter the rules they had set up, and which were indicated on the sign outside the restaurant. Finally, her last comment is unsubstantiated hearsay, and probably flat out wrong as well. I
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In a civilized society you don't beat the shit out of people even if provoked.
Introducing the iEye (Score:3)
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Every year, a new version will come out with less invasive surgery, better resolution, color... night mode... I hope they make these things somewhat easy to upgrade. Just imagining being able to switch visible spectrum has me wanting the future version for myself.
This.
Not knocking the achievement - a journey of 1000 miles begins with a single step, and all, however...
Wake me when we get to the enhancement phase; I always wanted to be able to switch between vision modes like in Predator.
The wrist blades and mini-nuke would be bitchin', too, although that might be asking a bit much...
Re:Introducing the iEye (Score:4, Insightful)
I wouldn't get your hopes up too much, they're not really doing anything to map out the neurons in the eye. They're just punching through and stimulating whatever neurons are behind that spot of the retina, which will be "close enough" to give you a low-resolution grayscale image but they haven't got a clue on how to stimulate only one type of receptors so you can have color or to map it accurately so you can have high resolution. A working eye is a helluva sensor and I suspect we'll be using night vision goggles and such to translate invisible light to visible light for many decades to come.
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Color is admittedly a problem, but I would have thought that the brain would learn to adjust things for the positioning. At least, your brain did it once (unless every single eyeball has it's neurons laid out in exactly the same positions, which seems unlikely) and there are lots of things that your brain can take care of before it hits your stream of consciousness. I would think it's possible that ignoring the problem and letting the brain do it's thing might produce good results.
waiting for IPS repair options (Score:2)
My mom is (was) a fine artist, and has macular degeneration. Is is almost completely blind in one eye, and half blind in the other.
It is my wish that IPS treatments for macular repair become a reality before she dies of old age, as it is something I would really like to get for her.
I'm not knocking the progress on this optical implant, but it only does greyscale and without serious microsurgery, will never stop being greyscale only. She needs full color to regain what she lost.
When they can regenerate damag
Re:waiting for IPS repair options (Score:4, Interesting)
I'm not knocking the progress on this optical implant, but it only does greyscale and without serious microsurgery, will never stop being greyscale only. She needs full color to regain what she lost.
There's no reason to believe that fancy microsurgery is required in order to visualize color. As a trivial example, nearly all color digital cameras have color filter arrays embedded over a monochrome sensor (other than foveon/sigma). It's not a big stretch to imagine that a future revision of this chip could have a color filter array and your brain (visual cortex) could learn to recognize different spatial encoding patterns as different colors.
That's similar to what your brain does now (although the retina helps by doing some type of local opponent-color coding). If the color mapping isn't easy for your brain to learn and you need a mapping more like your original mapping, in the worst case, you could even make the sensor configurable (stimulate different nerves for different colors). Although if you did this "simply" the pixels might be slightly scrambled, but that could be compensated for by using a really high resolution sensor (all cameras have multi-megapixel sensors these days), and then recoding to a lower resolution for output to the optic nerve.
All these things can be easily done on the sensor chip itself w/o requiring more advanced surgical techniques... Ah the wonder of silicon technology...
P.S. Dibs on the patents for this (or at least prior-art on the idea)...
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It's not so great (yet) (Score:5, Interesting)
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I watched the video as well and caught that right away.
Well, I'm not saying their video isn't overrepresenting the acuity, but it's not near as bad as your naive assumptions lead you to conclude.
The retina doesn't have anything like resolution the vision system as a whole does (FFS, there's a blind spot, but there's no "hole" in perception except in specially contrived circumstances.) -- while this implant is certainly worse than a healthy retina, your fixational eye movements will give substantially better than resolution than a 24x24px video.
That's not the only thing they BSed though. Obviously it can only go in 1 eye, as the pixels wouldn't match up perfectly 1:1 between the eyes so the user would be disoriented and have no depth perception.
Your retinas don'
Re:It's not so great (yet) (Score:4, Insightful)
Obviously it can only go in 1 eye, as the pixels wouldn't match up perfectly 1:1 between the eyes so the user would be disoriented and have no depth perception
Don't underestimate the brain's power to figure out the distortion in sensory inputs and compensate for them. For example, there was that study where subjects wore mirrored glasses so that everything they saw was upside down -- within a day or two they didn't even notice (until they took the glasses off, anyway, at which point they had to re-adapt again).
A more likely reason to limit the procedure to one eye would be to avoid having to double the price to $120,000 for only minimal additional benefit.
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A more likely reason to limit the procedure to one eye would be to avoid having to double the price to $120,000 for only minimal additional benefit.
that is why you get it done in one eye and then wait until generation 2 or 3 comes out to do the other. then there will be a larger benefit
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When humans view stuff their eyes constantly move. The brain stitches all the images together to get a great view of whats going on. The human eye really isn't that great of a camera but it is connected to the greatest image processing software in the universe. Since the sensor implants directly into the optic nerve I bet the human brain can make the most of the sensor and people with the implant can see better than you think.
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but it is connected to the greatest image processing software in the universe
... that we know of. There might be better that we've not found on this planet, in fact there almost certainly is better for various definitions of better, before even considering elsewhere in the universe.
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Even 24x24 would be enough to help you navigate around as you walk. That would be a HUGE step up from being blind. Also, by moving your eye around a bit, you could probably get more effective detail--like how if you move your head while looking through showerglass you can get a better idea of what's behind it.* Or, you can be standing near the frame of a door that's open 2mm and by moving your head back and forth you can get a pretty good idea of what's on the other side.**
OK, better example: watch some rea
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surprisingly (Score:2)
this is not goatse.
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would be interesting to see what the upgrade cycle will be on this for patients as resolution increases and color perception is added.
Upgrades for "perfect" vision (Score:2)
Some day, these will evolve into incredible resolutions and better sharpness and viewing angles technically possible with analog eyes. Add some good interfaces for displaying synthetic signals without cameras, and you'll have the perfect monitor. I think I saw the research for this stuff in late 90's, so turning research into mass-market products seems to have at least a decade of delay. The current research stuff being direct brain implants not only for eyesight, but sending and reading nerve signals direc
Wow! (Score:4)
So wonderful! My grandfather went blind towards the end of his life, or nearly so. Having sight again would have been something he dearly would have liked for reading. I hope this continues to advance and quickly for all those who are sight impaired.
What I can not figure out... (Score:3)
Is just *why* the blind are using lasers!
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Is just *why* the blind are using lasers!
Well, they weren't blind when they first started using them...
"modified" to shoot lasers? (Score:3)
Never mind the parts that the author did not feel were important enough to mention:
1) the lasers
2) The power source for the lasers
Last I checked, standard corrective lenses didn't have anything batteries, electronics, or even the raw materials to make power sources or electronics.
They are just regular sharks. Well, apart from the friggin lasers on top of their heads!
Science marches on.. (Score:5, Insightful)
Eyes ain't the only thing being replaced by tech
A buddy of mine is a type 1 diabetic; he was simply born with a faulty pancreas. For the majority of his life, he dealt with constant insulin injections, as typical for a diabetic. A few years back however, he was upgraded to an external pump. It looks just like an old beeper, and plugs into a semi-permanent* injection point under his shirt. Whenever he eats, he just has to push a few buttons on the pump and it steadily drips the correct amount of insulin into his blood stream
Of course, a pancreas isn't nearly as complex as an eye, so I'm glad to see science and medicine marching onward. Given that these advancements have happened in just a few short years, has me excited to see what will happen in this field within the next decade or so.
*semi-permanent: He stab himself once every few days, and there's a whole bracketing system roughly the size of a silver dollar that glues onto his skin and keeps the needle/tubing at the correct depth.
Photovoltaic? (Score:3)
If their power comes from a photovoltaic chip on corrective lenses, does that mean that you're going to wake-up blind every morning?
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Hopefully improved (Score:4, Interesting)
I'm hoping not only that resolution improves (and color, naturally), but why stop there? I wouldn't mind being able to see in UV bands and a telescopic lens would be nice.
Re:Hopefully improved (Score:5, Interesting)
Just think: in a few decades time "you'll go blind" will no longer be a threat to 14 years olds...
dodgy html? (Score:2)
My blind colleague would just like to read the article without it blowing up his text-to-speech software!
In other words... (Score:2)
Europeans shall play guinea pig for Americans.
Alt headline: Blind Sharks Rejoice (Score:2)
The Bio-Retina system comes with a standard pair of corrective lenses that are modified so that they can fire a near-infrared laser beam through your iris to the sensor at the back of your eye.
From the subject, you obviously know where I'm going with this...
I'll Wait (Score:2)
Avoid Mcdonalds (Score:1)
Careful to not take that into McDonalds.
The Future (Score:1)
Since it's 576 lines, it must be PAL, which means she's seeing stuff happen with a speedup of about 4.271%.
Give it a few weeks and she'll know the lottery numbers before they're drawn.
Wait a minute, medicine in Europe is socialized! (Score:2)
Why do they get this stuff before we do in the US, with our world-beating health care system?
Maybe there wouldn't be enough profit for insurance companies if we had it here...
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Often it is the FDA approval process
As long as you don't take it into a McDonalds... (Score:2)
n/t
Irony (Score:2)
I just won a bet because of this (Score:1)
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There are aleady hearing restoration though a devinde put in the head with the receptor and an electrode sending the "sound signal", and a device looking like a standard earing helper with the microphone and the emitter, put around the ear.
And years ago (15-20 years ago), I read in a book about electronics and what it allows about an artificial hand controlled by the brain (it could open/close the fingers), with heat and pressure captors which would send some basic feeling to the brain... It required lots o
too late !! We already built the brain pacemaker (Score:2)
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Here is my list of Feature Requests:
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