Living Fossils: Old Tech That Just Won't Die 388
jfruh writes "You might think that flat files, VAXen, and punch card readers are things of the past — and you're right, for the most part. But here and there, these fossilized technologies have found places where they can survive in production use."
Hardly obsolete. (Score:5, Informative)
I can speak from first hand knowledge that many Fortune 500 companies are using technology that most people think of as obsolete. If you paid $50k for a software package that was written for VAX OpenVMS and the publisher went out of business 15 years ago, what would you do? You'd do the same thing these guys do. Work on getting a replacement, and keep that replacement in the wings until you can no longer run the existing (perfectly working) package.
In 2009, I worked on porting a fairly lengthy program from VAX to Alpha in OpenVMS Fortran. Why? Because it took 20 years to get the program just right and it works perfectly for the suited task. Why throw away a perfectly functional program just because the VAX is dying?
Today, companies are producing good and providing services that touch all of our lives using 30+ year old technology.
LK
Re:Vaxes (Score:3, Informative)
VAXes, not VAXen.
Actually, "Vaxen" is acceptable and I have actually heard it used - yes, I'm that old. Furthermore, from (1) Vaxen [reference.com] and mentioned on (2) VAX [wikipedia.org]:
(1) The plural canonically used among hackers for the DEC VAX computers. "Our installation has four PDP-10s and twenty vaxen." ... systems include the "BVAX", a high-end ECL-based VAX, and two other ECL-based VAXen: "Argonaut" and "Raven".
(2)
IBM 402 now in museum. (Score:4, Informative)
Actually, the IBM 402 mentioned was acquired by the Computer Museum, and is on exhibit there.
Re:B-52s (Score:5, Informative)
There might be no integrated-circuit memory, but components still need to be connected somehow.
Yeah, the GP mentioned it - wire wrapping [wikipedia.org]. It's pretty cool stuff - done properly, it actually creates an even better connection than solder.
Re:Flat Files FTW! (Score:5, Informative)
It's true that flat files may be "good enough" for a particular use, but it's not very flexible for unanticipated future uses.
Basically if you base your app on a flat file, you are gambling that you won't need many of the features databases provide out of the box. Knowing how requirements changes, it's often the wrong bet.
Software design is a lot like picking investments: you have to estimate future changes and the magnitude of their impact. Experience in both software design and the domain (industry) help in this regard.
Re:Vaxes (Score:4, Informative)
It's just bad English.
No, it's an Old English plural noun ending for the weak form (e.g. ox oxen.)
Some office equipment and software never die (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Vaxes (Score:5, Informative)
I also go back that far, and I believe it's an anachronism. We called them VAXes back then, not VANen. They *xen meme smells more 1990s than 1970s
Here are about 25 usenet posts from 1981 [google.com] that use the term VAXen.
But even if there were some were calling them VAXen back then it's still wrong. It's just bad English.
My high-school english teacher, who was awarded state english teacher of the year on more than one occasion, taught his classes that "Language creates environment and environment creates language" - in other words, correct usage is defined by nothing more than whatever enough people say is the correct usage. And we had a cluster of microvaxen at my high-school too.
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Re:Technology (Score:5, Informative)
You don't have to rely on old computers for ISA support. There are plenty of well-known designing and producing new motherboards with ISA slots for pretty much the same price as an average motherboard, with the benefit of also supporting modern hardware.
In a way it's sad the ISA standard is gone; it was very easy for an electronic geek to make ISA cards as the protocol didn't require complicated hardware.
I don't think modern computers have any interface left that can be used without requiring a chip to handle the protocol.
Re:Some office equipment and software never die (Score:5, Informative)
Really?! (Score:4, Informative)
Because the submitter is a nimrod.
Re:Technology (Score:5, Informative)
What you're describing is economic specialization. On the upside, that means that people who do plumbing or electrical or whatever are really good at it. On the downside, your everyday guy doesn't do plumbing or electrical, even on their own home. In theory, that makes things more efficient, because rather than a do-it-yourselfer completely botching the job, the specialist does the job right much faster than the do-it-yourselfer.
This process is not really that new: there was a time when pretty much everybody was doing the same things: hunting, gathering, banging rocks together to make spearpoints, fighting for survival, raising children, etc. Then you started getting differentiation based on gender (as far as current archaeology can tell) with men more involved in hunting and banging rocks together and women more involved in gathering, processing food, and raising children. Then you started getting divisions into professions, with some people specializing in warfare, food production, toolmaking, religion, and so on.
So we have specialized. And it's brought us productivity far beyond anything the world has ever known. But you're right that it means that we're more reliant than ever before on the skills of other people.