Microsoft's Touted iPad Rival Courier Becomes Less Than Vapor 401
Kostya writes "The much discussed Courier two-panel tablet device from Microsoft is now even less than vaporware — now it's just plain dead. 'Microsoft execs informed the internal team that had been working on the tablet device that the project would no longer be supported.' While the Courier had never been officially announced as a supported product by Microsoft, it had generated a lot of discussion as what the iPad should have been."
On the upside though... (Score:5, Insightful)
*snicker*
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Do you need me to squirt you a copy?
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Re:On the upside though... (Score:5, Funny)
Ya, it would have been nice to see Bing come out as a good competitor to Google, competition really does push everyone to improve... sucks that it had to die...
Oh, you meant the Courier? Ya, that thing was cool.
Re:On the upside though... (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:On the upside though... (Score:5, Insightful)
It's too wonderful and too practical a concept to be gone for long.
Yeah, Microsoft finally canned it because it was so wonderful and practical...
The video that went out right around the time the iPad was announced was a concept video. It was a rendering and not an actual product or even a prototype. Pure, unadulterated vaporware whose only purpose was to get some people disinterested in the iPad. And it appears to have worked. There are numerous Slashdot posts about how, "I don't want an iPad, I'm waiting for MS's Courier." This is one of Microsoft's oldest tactics, vaporware.
The thing about vaporware is that it's vaporware for the very reason that's it's both wonderful and *not* practical. It's biting off more than you can chew, so of course it has to be wonderful (easy to do when it doesn't even exist), and it's not practical since if it were, it would either exist, or if it doesn't exist yet, it would be something you'd not want to show off until it's just about finished since someone else could presumably beat you to the punch (if it's so practical, after all).
ov Vaporware (Score:5, Insightful)
Vaporware is the ultimate refining of the process of "Overpromise, Underdeliver".
In other words, when you promise everything, and deliver nothing.
Though the basic premise of overpromise/underdeliver has always a basic theme in I.T in general. You're making promises you know you can't deliver, to an audience that is in no position of expertise to question what you say, and in their dependent state, has to believe you, and has no choice but to accept whatever you happen to actually deliver. (a process also known more commonly as "I.T. Consultant")
Re:On the upside though... (Score:4, Insightful)
Pure, unadulterated vaporware whose only purpose was to get some people disinterested in the iPad. And it appears to have worked.
So, my choices went from iPad vs Courier to iPad vs nothing else on the market, and this helped Microsoft in some way.
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So, my choices went from iPad vs Courier to iPad vs nothing else on the market, and this helped Microsoft in some way.
When they went from XP vs. OSX to Vista vs. XP and OSX it sure didn't do much for their reputation, or stock prices for that matter.
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So they announce the end of the project when the iPad hasn't been out a full month yet. Wouldn't it make more sense to keep going for a year?
Sorry, I think you're all tilting at windmills. Apple should worry about the project that Google has planned, not Microsoft.
Microsoft doesn't sell hardware unless it drives OEM software sales. Google has no problems taking over Apple's market.
Microsoft doesn't want Apple to fail. Microsoft wants Apple and Google to keep busy so they can keep selling to Dell, HP and oth
Re:On the upside though... (Score:5, Insightful)
Pure, unadulterated vaporware whose only purpose was to get some people disinterested in the iPad. And it appears to have worked.
So, my choices went from iPad vs Courier to iPad vs nothing else on the market, and this helped Microsoft in some way.
You don't seem to understand how vaporware works. If you actually had a competing product, you wouldn't need vaporware, you'd just promote the real thing you have to offer. But MS has nothing to offer.
For at least for a short amount of time, potential iPad buyers were holding off for a Courier. For this tactic to work, MS never has to actually release Courier. All they have to do is slow iPad sales.
There used to be a time when people would put off purchases, in favor of some vaporware MS product, for years, by which time the superior technology (that actually existed) would fail to gain traction and die, all without MS ever shipping anything. The market doesn't really work that way anymore, so at best it will buy them a few months. The fact that they didn't make the best use of those few months doesn't negate the potential upsides of this tactic.
And besides, Courier helped make the iPad appear less interesting and less advanced than it is, this helped play a small role in the "iPad is lame" nerdfest, which is still active and is still benefitting Microsoft. It's hard for a real product to compete with a product that is completely made up, and once you're able to convince at least some people into accepting that this wonderful imaginary product is real, it sours one's impressions of real products that can, and do, actually exist.
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Courier helped make the iPad appear less interesting and less advanced than it is, this helped play a small role in the "iPad is lame" nerdfest, which is still active and is still benefitting Microsoft.
I think this is a key point. People get psychologically and emotionally locked into positions and they don't like to admit that they might be wrong. They don't even like to consider in their own heads that they might be wrong.
So Microsoft can release a video of the Courier and get some people saying, "I'm not getting an iPad. The iPad sucks. I'm going to wait for the Courier." They'll tell their friends and family and random people online, and when Microsoft drops the Courier, those people won't go ba
Re:On the upside though... (Score:5, Insightful)
Let me tell you about my first computer purchase.
I was 17 years old and had a job at K-Mart. At the time, the Commodore-64 was around $500.00 and the Vic-20 was $150.00. So I decided to purchase a Vic-20.
As it turns out, the K-Mart lay away program did not allow you to purchase electronics that way. I did not want to wait to come up with $150.00 money in my pocket would be spent before it was saved. There was a Federated store across that that I could purchase a Vic-20 for the same $150.00.
So I got paid every Friday, and I would go on Saturday across town and make a $50 payment on my VIC. I had paid off $100 and had $50 to go. I got my paycheck on Friday night, and found out at the same time that the price on the VIC-20 had just dropped form $150.00 down to $100.00. The restock fee was $50.00 over at Federated. So my choices at that point were to a) go, ask for my money back, pay the restock fee and buy the computer outright with the money I had in hand. Total cost: $150.00. Or b) make my last payment, total cost $150.00.
Essentially I had purchased a computer that went down in price by 33% the moment I bought it. It was a good lesson. That is ALWAYS the decision you make when you buy a computer. There is always something newer coming along at a lower price. Sometimes it is worth waiting 3 months before purchasing, sometimes you just as well buy it now and be using it for the next 3 months instead of waiting for the next 3 months.
And generally speaking, waiting 3 months to purchase a Microsoft product that they are not already selling to stores 3 months before they ship. That my friend is always a bad idea.
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Re:On the upside though... (Score:5, Funny)
Why so they can cry on my shoulder about getting owned by Nintendo?
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It's perfect for note taking and portability ... it's a bit substandard for video viewing.
Re:On the upside though... (Score:5, Insightful)
How is it good? It doubles the cost while giving you a screen with a nice visible split in it. Books are closed because of the format, tablets do not need to act like books.
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Because it doesn't have to play the movie across the split. Imagine opening the Courier up to an angle similar to a netbook, resting one half on the tabletop, with the other at a comfortable viewing angle.
You watch the movie in 16:9 on the top screen only while the other screen is dark, conserving batteries and simply awaiting your touch in order to present a full playback menu.
I suspect there would have been a "netbook mode" that would have had the lower screen acting as a touch-keyboard for more traditio
Re:On the upside though... (Score:4, Insightful)
Imagine opening the Courier up to an angle similar to a netbook, resting one half on the tabletop, with the other at a comfortable viewing angle.
You mean like the iPad can with a $30 case that ads no weight or bulk to the device?
Oh yeah, that works pretty well.
Only it costs half as much and has half the weight thanks to not having to need enough battery to power two screens for a reasonable period of time (since you can't expect users to just watch videos or mostly do other tasks with one screen off).
Also I can't imagine what about the Courier design led you to think the center portion would be able to hold either screen aloft at any arbitrary angle.
Re:On the upside though... (Score:4, Funny)
You mean like the iPad can with a $30 case that ads no weight or bulk to the device?
No weight and no bulk? What is it made out of, magic?
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The dual screen thing is very good idea. People still like closing their books and will want to close their electronic tablets too....
I like where you are going with this. So we have a device with a screen like an Ipad, but you can close it to protect the device. Then we have a second screen which can be used for input when the device is open. The only thing I see wrong is that even haptic input isn't that great. But, what if, instead of soft keys, we had hard keys, sort of mounted on a circuit board (a "board-key". if you like). Admittedly you'd lose the flexibility of dual screens but then again divided screens aren't always ideal,
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Tablets are dead (Score:4, Funny)
Neither the iPad nor Courier have (or would have in the case of MS's canceled project) any real advantages when it comes to getting work done than a regular Netbook or Laptop. I can see the point of a low-priced tablet device, essentially a large, sturdy smartphone for a -low- price. But when it comes down to it, its quite stupid to pay more and get less of a product and that is what tablets currently are.
Re:Tablets are dead (Score:5, Insightful)
Er, the ipad is selling hugely. This is the start of the era of tablets, so no they are not dead.
The advantage they offer over laptops and netbooks is a tactile natural way to consume media at your leisure i.e. while you're on the sofa.
They won't replace laptops or desktops or anything else, but they're here to stay.
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Er, the ipad is selling hugely
At the moment. But will Apple really be able to carry the momentum once people start realizing theres nothing really -great- about the iPad?
The reason why the iPod got marketshare so quickly was because it was the smallest media player for the space at the time and had a decent UI. The reason why the iPhone got marketshare because at the time it was the only way you could browse the web decently from a phone.
But, I don't know if I'm simply blind to some hidden factor but I don't see the appeal of
Re:Tablets are dead (Score:4, Insightful)
The very same thing was said about the iPod and the iPhone, and look where they are now.
The era of the geek driving computer development is dead: people want easy to use features, and Apple is giving it to them. The era of clock speed, bus speed and VRAM capacity being important for selling computers is over as well. These things will still matter for select user bases--programmers, gamers, scientific use, graphic design, audio/video and other--but, for the vast number of average computer users for whom web, email, music, word processing and simple video are all that's really important, the iPad and its children are the future.
It will be interesting to see what people are saying about the iPad this time next year, when Apple's sold 25 million of them.
Re:Tablets are dead (Score:5, Insightful)
And beyond that, Apple is building a computing platform that is completely appropriate for 95% of users out there.
I've been observing with great amusement the geek outrage over Apple's closed, locked-down ecosystem, starting with the iPod and iPhone, and culminating with the iPad, and I say: more power to Apple .
To paraphrase Spider-man: "With great computing power comes great computing responsibility." Manufacturers have placed general-purpose computers into the hands of the masses, and what have we gotten in return? Mountains of spam, malware galore, and tens of millions of zombie boxes. A general-purpose programmable device has proven, overall, a disaster for the Internet. In the hands of typical non-technical users, they are just begging to be exploited, and that's exactly what happens to them.
Steve Jobs has it exactly right. The overwhelming majority of people don't need a computer with a general purpose operating system. They need an iPad or something like it - an appliance that meets the needs of 95% of users, and is locked down so tightly that it is very hard to exploit via user stupidity.
Personally, I don't want an iPad. I don't need an iPad, because I'm capable of managing a general-purpose computer. But the appeal of the iPad to the average consumer is blatantly obvious. Apple is going to sell a lot of iPads.
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Kudos to timholman and the mods. This post is a great (though perhaps rare) example of what I love about slashdot - a post that actually got me to change my opinion.
While I've been bemoaning the locked down nature of where Apple is going, I think for the majority of internet users this is exactly what they need.
Re:Tablets are dead (Score:5, Insightful)
So why does the closed Apple ecosystem bother you when you freely admit that the Android ecosystem is a viable alternative to those who wish to hack their handheld devices? Apple is not forcing Android out of the market - on the contrary, Android is doing very nicely. But that Apple monoculture has clearly been a boon to developers and consumers alike, far more so than Android to date.
If Apple was the only choice for smartphones, I'd be unhappy too. But Apple is only one player of many in that market. How does Joe Average's choice of the Apple monoculture diminish Android in any way?
And yet the iPad will probably sell more units in the first year than all the installed Linux desktop distros in the U.S. It's not just the concept, it's the implementation. Apple takes ideas that have been tried by others, and makes them mainstream and popular. I have nothing against Linux (I use it myself for part of my work), but even at its best you can't begin to compare it with Apple's ease of use.
Like what? Games? Books? Music? Movies? Occasional word processing? Web surfing? You've got all of that in spades with the iPad, plus a real, actual external keyboard if you want one.
What "certain things" do 95% of consumers need that an appliance like the iPad won't satisfy? And please don't list programming as one of them! Like I said: 95% of consumers.
Because like so many markets that Apple has chosen to enter, they have figured out how to do it right. Apple did not create the MP3 player, the smartphone, or the appliance computer. But their genius is in figuring out how to make them reliable and easy to use. We saw it with the iPod and iPhone, and now we're seeing it with the iPad.
And what I find puzzling is why you (and so many others) are unhappy about it. How does the existence of the iPhone and iPad diminish the utility of Android or Linux in any way, shape, or form? We've still got our general-purpose computers, and Apple's success hasn't hurt them in the slightest. Nothing has been taken away from you. I am no more unhappy with Apple for creating a closed information appliance than I am with my TV manufacturer for creating a TV that is equally "closed". I can buy a consumer TV, or I can hack together my own MythTV box. How does one choice diminish the other?
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If PCs become less dominant and are taken over by appliances, there will be less choice and they'll cost more.
Re:Tablets are dead (Score:5, Funny)
The era of the geek driving computer development is dead: people want easy to use features, and Apple is giving it to them. The era of clock speed, bus speed and VRAM capacity being important for selling computers is over as well.
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hahah you think the iPad will reach iPod or iPhone levels of sales? you must be an iTard.
Yet again, when Apple announced the iPhone, people would mock "iTards" like the GP with phrases like "hahah you think the iPhone will reach iPod levels of sales? you must be an iTard."
And still...
Re:Tablets are dead (Score:5, Insightful)
The problem I have with all these technophiles decrying the iPad's lack of flash is this: are you not the same group that beats down any flash site? FFS, slashdot is the place that puts [PDF WARNING] next to links. If anyone was going to complain about the lack of flash, this is the absolute last group of people I would have expected.
As I said in reply to the OP, the problem is that full PCs are simply too much machine for what many people want to do (watch a show, check facebook, etc). A $99 iPad would be a true game-changer, and I think something along those lines is the next step. At this price point, people (like you) get confused because of the price and say (as you did), 'but... look at the sweet box I could buy for $500, I don't get it!' The point is that my mom and my wife and many like them don't care in the least if they have a sweet box. They care if they can "like" timmy's facebook status.
Your geek factor (Look at me! HTPC! Check me out! Modded Wii!) is what's keeping you from seeing this market. Not everyone uses computers the way you do, and not everyone derives the same satisfaction from setting up their own rad HTPC setup. My wife is perfectly content to watch DVDs, out of a box, on her laptop. I thought that was madness when I first saw it. Fact is, people compute in different ways.
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" I thought that was madness when I first saw it"
please tell me she was watching 300.
"That is madness"
"This IS COMPUTING"
Re:Tablets are dead (Score:5, Insightful)
A $99 iPad would be a true game-changer, and I think something along those lines is the next step.
I'm not an Apple historian, and this is an actual question, but has Apple ever sold a product at anything but a premium price? Any Apple product I can think over the last decade has cost far more than the median price of equivalent hardware by Apple's competitors.
iPod Touches aren't $99, and they've been on the market for a number of years. Plus, if the iPad was $99, what would an iPod Touch sell for? $69? Never, ever, ever going to happen. I could see the iPad maybe selling for $399 eventually, but I would be very surprised if it ever sold for less.
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I'll let you in on a secret about Apple's pricing: They don't like to change it.
Apple basically chooses prices based on marketing concerns and then builds the hardware to meet the price. The cheapest Apple laptop today is $1000, which has been roughly the price point for their cheapest laptop for *years*. It may have been $1200 or something, but they haven't dropped the price much. For the last several years, the most expensive iPods have been right around $400. Now a $400 iPod today has a lot more sto
Re:Tablets are dead (Score:5, Insightful)
The problem I have with all these technophiles decrying the iPad's lack of flash is this: are you not the same group that beats down any flash site?
Damn, when are you morons going to realise, THERE IS MORE THAN ONE PERSON ON THIS SITE. And we all have different opinions. Look at yourself, you clearly have a different opinion to the person you are responding to.
Why do you feel the need to group all these technophiles with one brush stroke. Most of use here to hate flash. So shut the fuck up, and wake up.
Personally, I think the iPad is a great idea, and can't wait to get one, but also understand why some people don't like the direction that we are heading.
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I hear you, although I think your first statement contradicts your last statement a little bit. I'd rephrase it, "the average consumer wants to play simple games." The app store has boatloads of popcap-like games, many of them free.
True that they may not be able to play $THIS_SPECIFIC_GAME, no doubt. Although I've been thinking about how flash games would even translate to a touch-based interface. Would you have to just display a soft keyboard? It wouldn't be using the device's human interface well if it did. What about hover states? This is all very confusing.
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I didn't see even one decent way to pull off hover, and I'm sure you took more than 5 seconds to post that. Which are you?
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Followed by this:
I guess the point I'm trying to make is that the vast majority of the market couldn't care les
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What you mean to say is YOU don't have a use for one.
I've heard this same argument about net books, smartphones, and ebooks.
While the iPad is a less then stellar attempt at a tablet, this is another story:
http://wepad.mobi/ [wepad.mobi]
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At the moment. But will Apple really be able to carry the momentum once people start realizing theres nothing really -great- about the iPad?
They would not be selling hugely if there were not things people found great about them NOW. Marketing can only get you so far, and marketing only helps Apple much because people have grown to trust Apple more than other companies.
But signs point to iPad sales climbing. They just got a big boost from Oprah (formerly champion of the Kindle), they also have had to move back international release dates. And at this point, people thinking about buying one can try them out in Apple Stores and figure out if they are great or not.
With the iPad, what benefit are you getting for the cost?
An excellent screen (which really matters if you care about eye strain) over any normal screen for a device in that price range.
Tens of thousands and soon hundreds of thousands of applications dedicated to operation by touch, and used in that form factor. Yes you can buy a netbook but few applications work well in the screen sizes most netbooks support. This is such a massive benefit I can't believe it is constantly overlooked.
Compact size for the battery life - sure some netbooks also have good battery life, but they are a lot larger.
A world of peripherals that all work via the dock connector.
A fantastic data plan ($15/250MB/month or $30/month unlimited, no contract).
And let me repeat the thing about many, many developers working hard to write software that works really, really well on the device vs. running software that was built for a desktop and "works OK" on a netbook.
On a side note, you and so many other people are so mistaken about the iPad being only for consumption, or even consumption focused... That is not the end game.
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I was ill for two days this week. I grabbed my iPad and watched some new shows that I've not had time to check out. ABC's iPad app let me watch Castle and V in 720p. Then I watched some movies on Netflix. I also bought the latest book from Steven Erikson using iBooks.
It wasn't too heavy.
It has a bigger screen than my netbook, and its stunning.
It didn't get too hot like my netbook does when watching movies. I *hate* frying my balls.
The wife's netbook can't watch 720p movies at all.
I didn't have to have it plugged in, so I could move it about easily while I tried to get comfortable. Charged it overnight.
When I was done puking, I wiped it clean with disinfectant.
I'm not sick all the time, of course. The wife uses it and her iPhone. Her netbook hasn't been touched for months. The iPad is "just" a more usable iPhone for her. Its set up with her email, not mine (and she did it herself - amazing what she can do when I'm not around). I will be buying two more for our children.
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Actually there are two senses in which it can view 720p video. I'm sure the person you're responding to meant the first.
First, the H.264 playback engine caps out at 720p. Now, almost all playback engines cap out at some level. If you load 720p video files on a first generation iPod Touch, they won't play at all -- it's more than the device can handle. So don't say "of course it can play back a 720p file, every device can play back a 1080p file and just downscale it, that's no big deal". Because that isn't true.
(And yes, there's an advantage to this, if the video doesn't have much going on on the side edges. You can "zoom in" to the video, making it go full screen with the edges clipped, and with a 720p data file you'll get more detail doing this. This could be the case for example if you've got a HD render of "The Philadelphia Story" with Grant/Hepburn, as it was actually filmed in 4:3, not 16:9.)
But, second, the iPad has video-out capabilities. I picked up the "dock port to VGA" adapter for mine. When I hook it up to the HDTV in my living room, and run a little program I wrote that queries the OS for a list of attached screens and their display characteristics, know what? I have full access to full 720p resolution out that display port. So an iPad tucked behind an HDTV that it's connected to can indeed drive a full genuine 720p display.
(But I'm sure that's not what the person you were responding to meant.)
got to love the fud (Score:5, Insightful)
First it is "the iPad won't sell".
Then when it is selling, the claim is "it ain't running out" when figures show Apple just ordered more then at previous introductions.
then when it sells half a million, it won't last...
Oh and lack of flash will kill it despite more and more sites ditching it.
Face it, Jobs has done it again. Move on and start predicting his fall for the next gadget.
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Once upon a time, pet rocks sold hugely.
More sales does not equate to a more useful product.
More useful than what? It's more useful than a Microsoft Courier or a Palm Folio.
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When I'm on the Can/train/bus/plane(assuming wifi enabled flight)/couch, I really don't want to do work but I might want to look up Wikipedia articles on obscure CPU architectures or the reign of Polpot.
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Laptops get too hot on the thigh skin, when your pants are down around your ankles...
:D
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I find it's a great way of getting some time away from the wife and kids.
Re:Tablets are dead (Score:5, Insightful)
Getting Work Done isn't the primary use of computers for a very large slice of the market. This is where you and many others fundamentally misunderstand the tablet space. Traditionally the market problem is that full computers are too much machine for the everyday user -- they want to check their Facebook, emails, read the news, and catch up on that show they missed last night on ABC. The iPad does all these things adroitly. Mom knows to touch the little "ABC" icon and then touch her favorite show. Actually, screw mom, I know that too, and I don't have to futz with Silverlight or Flash or Growl notifications popping up or emails dinging in the middle of a show.
Open your mind. Not everyone uses a computer the way you do.
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I'm not really sure what's changed on the web in the past 5 years anyway. I can fire up an old xp laptop and still get to facebook. My iphone is going on 2 years old. The web hasn't left it in the dust. everything still works pretty much like the day i got it.
I don't know many people who even keep the same computer for more than 3 years. Mom can buy a new ipad in 3 years. they will be half the price and 8x as fast. where's the problem?
About the best argument against appliances i can think of is you will get swept up in political battles concerning flash. That and mom doesn't understand that all her apps won't port to an android tablet if that's the coolest looking thing in 3 years.
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I really fail to understand why people can't seem to get it. The big problem with tablets to date is that they run a version of a desktop OS that turns your finger or a stylus into a mouse and you still have to deal with various windows on the desktop, etc. Microsoft doesn't seem to get the point that the standard desktop OS does not translate well to a touchscreen device - there needs to be a complete re-factoring of the OS for the device, something that Apple seems to get. IMO windows tablets are annoying to use after awhile - I had a tablet PC for awhile and after the novelty wore off, I went back to my Thinkpad for anything other than casual web browsing.
The whole "getting more work done" argument really doesn't make sense in the context of the iPad. Of course you're not getting "work" done on an iPad, or any touchscreen only device for that matter. You're not writing code, doing graphic design or doing serious number crunching on a touchscreen. (and really, you're not getting serious work done on a netbook with a 9" screen and a cramped keyboard either - you CAN get stuff done, but I wouldn't use one and I don't think a lot of people would either). That's not the point of the iPad. It is however the point of Windows powered tablets, but short of using them to drive a power point or a specialized application, like in a doctor's office, you're not getting serious work done with the majority of applications without a keyboard.
Can an iPad replace a computer? Yes, if all you do is browse the internet, answer short e-mails, give a keynote presentation (that you developed on your desktop), play the occasional game, watch movies, and read books with it. I do not get the impression that Apple is selling the iPad as a computer replacement. Having said that I would much rather have an iPad than a netbook computer. I have a laptop and a desktop - I will use the iPad for the stuff I mentioned above, and I much prefer the form factor of a tablet for watching a movie, reading, etc. To me the $200-$300 premium over a netbook with a similar sized screen is definitely worth it.
The iPad isn't for you - we get that. Once Apple release iPhone OS 4.0, the iPad is EXACTLY the device and OS I want for the intended purpose, and I'm perfectly willing to pay $600 for it, and if according to you that makes me stupid, so be it. I wear a nice watch too, but my $40 Timex ironman actually keeps better time. I guess that makes me stupider.
The thing with the "dumbed down OS" (Score:4, Insightful)
is that companies always thought they were for things like Child's First Computer type of toy. Little did we understand that children come along with computers just fine, it was the adults that needed the hand-holding.
As iPad's sales are still going strong, many people still won't get it. They're usually the ones that understand how to get the computer to do almost anything.
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IMHO, Tablets like the iPad and Slate are what Netbooks tried (and are still trying) to be. Except that I'd be much more likely to carry a super thin battery efficient quick enough physical keyboard-less tablet than I ever would have been carrying around an underpowered netbook. If I needed what a netbook gives me over a tablet (a clamshell shape with a physical keyboard and laptop like experience) I'd just get a laptop. The netbooks are an example of a product looking for a market as is evident by the fact
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The fact that you only evaluate a computer in terms of "getting working done" demonstrates that your thinking is a little out of date. Granted, Microsoft seemed to think of the Courier primarily as a productivity tool, which may be related to the fact that they've killed it (outmoded thinking), but despite some token productivity apps for the iPad, that's not what it
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The freedom to tinker comes with a compulsion to tinker, and unless you're an enthusiast already or your time has no value that's a negative.
Generally tinkering can -save- time. For example, it takes me 15 minutes to create some keybindings for some of my applications. I'm sure over a year's worth of use I've saved far more time than those 15 minutes it took me to create the keybindings in the first place. Not only that but I can make things that are completely my own, and that quite honestly gives me more value to them than the default. I don't -want- my computer/devices to look like others, act like others or really be any other device other
Where Is sopssa? Where is He? (Score:4, Funny)
Hold on, I think I hear someone backpedaling.
It is not uncommon of MS to announce... (Score:4, Insightful)
.....products it then never produces... its all part of market testing.
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even if the Courier isn't an example.
Announce? (Score:5, Informative)
Announced product examples are Windows Phone 7 and Natal.
Re:It is not uncommon of MS to announce... (Score:5, Insightful)
The Zune looked like a copy of the iPod. The Zune HD looked like a copy of the iPod Touch. Bing/Live Search all seemed to be copies of Google. Etc.
Microsoft's products that have been successful have been those ahead of their competitors. Look at the 360 which got a few months head start on Nintendo/Sony and has been very successful (of course a lot of this could be due to the lack of decent games for the Wii and the astronomical price of PS3 hardware for the longest time...).
Releasing Courier would seem like a copy of the iPad, something that Microsoft can't pump money into because it will be dead on release.
If they cared about copying why WIndows 7 Mobile? (Score:3, Interesting)
Releasing Courier would seem like a copy of the iPad, something that Microsoft can't pump money into because it will be dead on release.
But they can't afford not to try.
As with WIndows Mobile 7, which comes off copying lots of iPhone things - all touch screen, lots of animation, locked down app store, etc. So if Microsoft really cared about only delivering products that were firsts, why are they even doing Windows Mobile 7?
I think Courier was killed because it was really only ever a last-ditch attempt to s
"testing"? Is that what they are calling it now? (Score:5, Insightful)
its all part of market testing.
And if the "testing" happens to kill a competitors product launch while people wait for the Microsoft product, well that was just an accident!
Happily there are very few product announcements from Microsoft people are willing to wait for these days it was apparent to pretty much anyone Courier wasn't going anywhere at slow pace of even delivering concept videos...
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Possibly. It's also possible that MS is privy to more accurate sales figures (and profit margins) from the iPad than the rest of us, and they decided it wasn't worth their time. And that could be because hardware margins are razor thin and the potential profit was not worth the investment, or it could be because they figured that everyone who wanted an iPad-like device would already have an iPad by the time MS could actually ship product. There's also opportunity cost to consider: MS may have been confident
Touted? (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Touted? (Score:5, Insightful)
They've had tablet support since Windows 3.11.
Yeah, and look how many Windows tablets you've seen in the wild since then.
I have only seen one with my own eyes. In use by a Microsoft partner account manager, so it kinda figures.
Re:Touted? (Score:5, Interesting)
As long as MS approaches tablet support as just a few optional features, that can be added as a superset of their primary OS, they may well be technically competent(I've heard that their handwriting recognition is actually pretty good, for instance); but they will, outside of tech-demo-ware and highly specific custom applications, never escape the massive gravitational pull of the gigantic install base of the touchless OS. At worst, their superset offering will be completely ignored. At best, it will find a few niches, and a reasonably broad adoption in the form of "pen=mouse" ports of existing applications. Since these applications won't be all that comfortable, manufacturers will back off from bold all-tablet designs, and just start churning out "convertibles", which are just laptops with a wobbly single hinge and a screen that looks like crap because of the digitizer layer.
This is one of MS's major strength/weakness combinations. They have the resources(and some genuinely good people) to relentlessly add interlocking feature-set after interlocking feature-set to their products. However, because of their enterprise orientation, they are not good at the exotic, or the starkly cut down. Any innovation has to be capable of being tacked on to the gigantic interlocking feature mass. Any cut-down subset has to alienate as few 3rd parties and legacy customers as possible, and integrate with the feature mass as much as possible. On the plus side, this means that their stuff makes it relatively easy(if not wise) to build a towering enterprise stack, and then have it supported for years and years. On the minus side, it pretty much stomps on innovation, even where technologically possible.
What the iPad should've been? (Score:3, Interesting)
Hinge(Which can break) + Stylus(Which can go lost and is a lousy input device) = Fail in the long haul.
Of course, I also believe that the iPad's losing out by not having an *optional* stylus tool for drawing, but that's just me.
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Re:What the iPad should've been? (Score:5, Informative)
(Multi-)Touch, on the other hand, is very limited in terms of use in anything creative.
Buh? Heard of Brushes [brushesapp.com]? Used for, y'know, a New Yorker cover [newyorker.com] or two?
You can buy a stylus for the iPad/iPhone today (Score:2)
There are already a number of makers of stylus for the iPhone, that work on the iPad.
They are somewhat wider than what you would traditionally call a stylus, but still allow for a more narrow contact. After all, children can use the devices just fine so that sets a lower bound on size...
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Yeah, Pogo Stylus. Just wish Apple would've thought about it before a 3rd Party did. Still don't have an iPad yet, but once I get one, I'm getting me a pogo.
Pogo sylus pretty good (Score:4, Informative)
Yeah, Pogo Stylus
I ordered several different styluses to test them all out, and the Pogo was much nicer than the others - a few others have rubbery tips that have too much resistance moving across the screen to move easily. The Pogo has a kind of sponge-like material that coasts across a screen much more easily.
I wanted to confirm that was a good choice.
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How freaking annoying (Score:2)
Crazy conspiracy theory (Score:5, Interesting)
Msft got HP to buy Palm so that HTC, or Google, could not buy Palm. Now, to repay HP for buying Palm, msft drops msft's own "iPad killer" thus eliminating a huge competitor for HP.
Msft and Apple, hate and fear Android - they want to patent troll Android out of existance. HP has no special love for Android, because Android would not differentiate HP enough from the other Android tablet, or phone, sellers.
HP is a very close partner with msft, with both PCs and phones. If either HTC, or google, bought Palm, they would be able to use Palm's arsenal of patents to counter-sue msft and/or apple.
Pure speculation on my part, but it is quite a coincidence that the following all happened at the same time:
Apple sues HTC
Msft and HTC form a special patent deal
HP buys Palm
Msft discontinues Courier
Alternate theory (Score:4, Interesting)
How about, HP was the only hardware maker willing to build Courier, but Microsoft's schedule was slipping and slipping so HP in disgust decided to buy Palm to use WebOS for the tablets it has lined up instead?
Thus without a hardware backer, Microsoft had to close Courier for good.
Re:Crazy conspiracy theory (Score:5, Funny)
The awesome thing about how Slashdot moderation works is your insane theory should make it to +5 in no time.
Excuse me while I grab some popcorn, this is like watching a train wreck in slow motion.
Dual folding screens were always a non-starter (Score:4, Insightful)
The idea seemed at first glance to be interesting, and was full of a lot of new concepts for how to use a tablet.
But I didn't see a lot of really practical ideas in there, starting with the dual folding screens. The thoughts of glass on glass, with slight torque in everyday carrying and average amounts of dust and grit...
Some of the other things in the videos seemed cool, but in everyday use again I just thought some of the actions would grow to be annoying. The central dragging area was kind of interesting...
Someone could easily carry on the concept with a special case that held two iPads, and some software to have them act in tandem over Bluetooth.
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> Dual folding screens were always a non-starter
Yeah, Nintendo found that out the hard way with all the millions of Game and Watches [wikia.com] they sold.
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Most of the weight in an iPad is the massive batteries to power the larger screen and the glass plate over the screen, which is thicker than an iPhone since it has a larger span. The whole thing weighs a pound and a half, and that's after leaving off all the I/O ports and subsequent case thickness everyone on here wants from a "real tablet" competitor like 3 USB ports, HDMI out, a removable battery, and a floppy drive.
The JooJoo doesn't get anywhere near the same battery life, and it weighs 60% more at two
On the other hand (Score:4, Funny)
It was planned to only allow installation of one font, a certain typewriter font, to make it run faster and create a consistent branding.
This did not do well in focus groups, who showed a preference for being able to use Comic Sans and other fonts.
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Oh, while you're at it, make sure you get those using Latin Wide and Marker Felt for any purpose -- because there's just no excu
Huh?!? (Score:4, Interesting)
Cool! (Score:4, Insightful)
Can they kill Comic Sans [bancomicsans.com] too?
that crisis was over quick (Score:2)
is anyone else disturbed that slashdot is linking to gizmodo stories again?
okay, i guess it's just me, sorry.
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and your surprised?
anytime MSFT does anything remotely awesome it gets canceled or morphed into a piece of shit.
what did Microsoft actually do? (Score:5, Insightful)
You have exactly one VP saying that the product was real, but was shitcanned. Besides that, there's some leaked computer generated videos and pictures of an alleged product.
You're mourning the fact that a puff of vapor got carried off by the breeze. That's not awesome, that's standard operating procedure for Redmond; unless by awesome you mean "marketing bullshit that never has to withstand real world use and criticism," in which case, spot on.
Re:Crap. (Score:5, Funny)
and your surprised?
It's just fine, thanks for asking. :)
Re:Crap. (Score:5, Funny)
It's just fine, thanks for asking. :)
Lucky. I could never get the rc scripts to run right, and if you have to run it manually after every restart, well, then it's not really a surprise daemon at all, is it?
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You can make your own or pay someone to do it.
Look online, some even running OSes for grown ups.
Mistaken joke` (Score:4, Funny)
You can tell I don't follow MS much because I thought "In a world with walls or fences, who needs windows or gates." was just a clever joke. Turns out that it is paraphrasing an actual MS slogan. "For a world without walls, Windows".
That tells you everything you need to know about Microsoft. They don't even get the concept of basic construction. Either you have no wall and therefor nothing to place the window in, OR you create a big window and it becomes the wall itself. A window cannot exist without a wall.
They drink the koolaid deeply in Redmond.