MojoKid writes "Asus today launched yet another addition to their Eee PC netbook product offering. The Eee PC T91 is unlike any Eee PC we've seen before, primarily because the screen can be spun around and flipped down in the style of a tablet. This so-called 'netvertible' sector is still in its earliest stages, making the T91 one of the first netbooks available that also doubles as a full-fledged tablet PC. Unlike the Eee PC 'Seashell' line, which is largely just a sleeker take on the tried-and-true Eee
PC netbook, the T91 takes a completely different approach to computing. Its 8.9" resistive touchscreen literally puts a new spin on the netbook and enables a new usage model."
Why not pick up a real tablet system, like a Dell Latitude XT off of eBay for $600-$700? Core 2 Duo, 3GB of RAM, 80GB HD, 12" LED LCD multi-touch screen, etc. I snarfed one "new open box" for $650 USD a couple of weeks back -- looked brand new/ever used.
Saying that performance per watt is the same as power efficiency is like saying that horsepower per hour per gallon is the same as miles per gallon. If that were the case, there would be no difference in gasoline efficiency between a gas electric hybrid and an equivalent standard vehicle.
If you want power efficiency why use x86? This [alwaysinnovating.com] comes in cheaper ($299-$399), has a battery life of 10+hrs (3-5 for the cheap one)
If you want power efficiency why use x86? This [alwaysinnovating.com] comes in cheaper ($299-$399), has a battery life of 10+hrs (3-5 for the cheap one)
Give me a real keyboard and pointing device over a touch screen any day of the week. Use an iPhone (non-Apple-fanbois only, please) or another touchscreen phone like Samsung Instinct and you'll see exactly what I'm talking about. Garbage. They're just incredibly frustrating to work with (I know, I know, you'll get to used to it. What if I don't want to?)
I can pick up a Dell Mini 10 for under $500 that has the same processor and memory configuration, 4 times the
Not very well, probably. From the Wikipedia article on Intel GMA: [wikipedia.org]
The Intel System Controller Hub US15W for the Atom processor Z5xx series features a GMA 500 graphic system. Rather than being developed in-house, this core is a PowerVR SGX core licensed from Imagination Technologies. Since PowerVR is not cooperative with the open source movement, this has resulted in the reliance of out dated closed source Linux drivers.
In other words, is very Linux-unfriendly. So I won't buy such crap. It's sad that we have lost a company that supports linux, fortunately there are others.
Umm, no. Intel GFX chips are in general well supported with new, FOSS drivers. nVidia have modern closed drivers. ATI have some of both. Any of those would be better.
# Gesture-enabled trackpad
hmm.. with xp, a non-removable battery pack, and just for the hell of it the.3mp webcam (hello 2000!) I've got a gesture for it - I wonder if it'll crash on receiving it..
Convenient breakdown. It really looks like other ASUS devices in terms of specs. Looks like they merely adapted the mods that others have been doing to them for a while and added a swivel screen.
What they should have done is included the 1080p display screens that have been emerging lately. The higher pixel count really helps a lot when it comes to running various operating systems on it. And while other people were asking what OSes can run on it, Windows or Linux, I was thinking "Is ASUS trying to beat
The Intel GMA500 graphics are very broken on linux right now. I wouldn't buy this if you want 3d acceleration to work. Also, if you want to use it for watching HD video, you should wait until the driver problems are addressed.
... for a netbook to ship with a trackpoint instead of a damned touchpad. When someone (are you listening, lenovo?) finally brings out an affordable netbook with a trackpoint, I'll bring out my checkbook. Until then I'll keep to my old thinkpad, thank you very much.
I've had a touch-screen tablet netbook for years. It's a Fujitsu P1510D (there was an article on Slashdot a little while back about alternative operating systems that mentioned it specifically). It's got a touchscreen, half a gig of memory, 30 gigs of hard drive space, a biometric sensor, et cetera. Oh, and in lieu of a touchpad it has a trackpoint.:)
a Fujitsu P1510D (there was an article on Slashdot a little while back about alternative operating systems that mentioned it specifically). It's got a touchscreen, half a gig of memory, 30 gigs of hard drive space, a biometric sensor, et cetera. Oh, and in lieu of a touchpad it has a trackpoint
Your Fujitsu still sells for over $1,000. I could easily buy a thinkpad in the same price range that will do what I want. I want a netbook that is affordable with a trackpoint.
I couldn't agree more. Using a trackpad is like trying to use a mouse with a broken arm swaddled in plaster. you're lucky if you can get the pointer 1/3 of the way across the screen without reseating your finger, and at higher sensitivities it's even more of a cumbersome pain to use.
Having used an EeePC 1000H for over 6 months, I have to disagree. The touchpad on that thing was AWESOME - way better than the Synaptics one on my Thinkpad's Ultranav. In fact, it actually rivals the Thinkpad's trackpoint for ease of use, accuracy and speed... IF you spend some time learning to use it (not to mention multi-touch tapping etc.).
If you were just willing to try something new, you might find that a halfway decent, properly set up trackpad isn't necessarily inferior to a trackpoint on any more th
You might want to try a Macintosh, they are speed sensitive. As I move my finger slowly it moves slowly, you can't even get more than a few hundred pixels. When I move fast, I can move across all 1900 pixels with room to spare. Mice work the same same way, I can barely use a Windows machine because of the mouse/trackpad. Apple really has sweated the details on this one.
Although the computer looks nice, I am a bit concerned as to the quality of the screen attachment. I have friend who has a computer with a similar configuration and after a year the screen would become wobbly, probably because of wear on the joint. Does anyone know whether Asus has taken care of this?
Although the computer looks nice, I am a bit concerned as to the quality of the screen attachment. I have friend who has a computer with a similar configuration and after a year the screen would become wobbly, probably because of wear on the joint. Does anyone know whether Asus has taken care of this?
As a time-traveller from July 2010, I can assure you that this newly-launched product which hardly anyone in 2009 has even touched, does not, in fact, get wobbly after a year of use.
As a time-traveller from July 2010, I can assure you that this newly-launched product which hardly anyone in 2009 has even touched, does not, in fact, get wobbly after a year of use.
Is there anything else that you can tell us. Have we finally manage to bio engineer a pig to fly?
Actually I wasn't expecting anyone to have year's worth of experience with the portable, simply to know whether Asus had tried to use a better mount, or they are just using the same one used in other models.
Thats one of the things i love about this [alwaysinnovating.com], the screen comes of entirely and i assume/hope that you can just flip it over entirely so there is no joint to break.
I'm having some back problems at the moment and tend to most comfortable in positions that don't suit either a desktop or full size laptop setup. I was just thinking last night how useful a subnote with a flippable screen would be for letting me do things like reviewing and marking up documents that don't really require a fast startup and processor but is beyond the capabilities of most (all?) eBook readers.
Does it? Does the T91 take a completely different approach to computing? Really? What is this marketing fluff?
It's a touchscreen. We've seen that. It spins around. We've seen that (GRiD 2260 anybody? Ruggedized convertable laptop from 1992. Incidentally, only eBay auction I ever got screwed on, but it was resolved) It's small. Damn sure we've seen that. Were touchscreen laptops ever that big of a deal? They were The Next Big Thing a few years ago but never got the impression people liked them that m
The reason why I never got a convertible touchscreen laptop was they were at least twice as expensive as a normal laptop with similar specs. Close to $2500 to start, with a weak celeron cpu & little ram. If you make it closer in price,you'll find it will become more popular. Its basically like the Google phone in a bigger form factor.
I dunno, $500 seems pretty steep for a machine that's slower than most N270/280 netbooks and has less battery life even though it's got a non-removable battery. Wake me when they get 8 hours of (wi-fi browsing, note-taking, word-document-editing, divx/xvid playing) battery life...
I recently was gifted a Dell Inspiron Mini 10. I have no complaints (for what it is). It runs fine and what I really like about it is the HDMI output lets me easily hook it up to my plasma and watch movies with netflix. If this was available a month ago I would've seriously considered it, even though it has VGA out. Put an HDMI connector in it and I'd be in heaven.
I have always wondered why they charge such a premium for tablets, just like I still wonder today why I can't buy a large non-widescreen format LCD monitor for < an arm and a leg...
Why is this news? Flip screen tablets have been around for about 5 years.. my Toshiba M209 from 2004 for example.. Is it relevant because they shrunk the overall thing and now its a "netbook" ?
Ha! You think these things were invented THIS century? You're going to go back a bit further than that.
"In 1992, GRiD released another tablet PC called the GRiD 2260 Convertible. This version now had better software/application support in the form of the Windows for Pen Computing operating system. It used a 386 processor in its base model or a 486 processor in its pricier configuration. The GRiD 2260 also had an attached keyboard that swung on hinges and could be clipped around back. "
Let's call the Windows based version a winnetvertible, and the Ubuntu version a netvertibuntu. If they add the ability for the Ubuntu version to make calls, it's a netphonevertibuntu. The aquatic version which comes with tools to help you catch fish and move boats will be a fishnetphonevertibuntugboat.
Or, we could stop making up stupid names for shit.
My eee pc 1000 has the perfect size keyboard for me, although the right shift button could have had better placement. So 8.9" is going to be a little too small for me. The non-removable battery is also a deal killer. My issue with my netbook is the network card isn't supported by some of the software, uh, 'tools' I use, the battery life is almost half what they say it is, and the performance could be a tiny bit faster (only issue that really bugs me is not being able to watch 720p on it). What I ultimately
Gigabyte did this a year ago, with their M912. It looked like a stunning little machine, but sadly they priced it at more than double the price of the average netbook, and nowhere seemed to get any in stock.
I'm not sure why they've included a trackpad either. Those things are horrendous to use at the best of times, now there's a touch screen there to replace it. The space could be used to include a decent sized keyboard instead.
Hi everybody. Just wanted to stop by and say you are welcome. My now obsolete Eee non-touchscreen netbook was delivered yesterday. My decision to finally purchase thus ushered in this new generation of netbook (2 days later) for you all to enjoy. I'm getting tired of waiting for Android phones too so I better go buy a G1 so that 3 new Android phones will be released the next day. Otherwise we'll just have to keep waiting indefinitely.
Last page of the article states: "The T91 is less powerful, more cramped and has a less spectacular display than pretty much any other newly released netbook, yet it is priced at $499."
Why on Earth would you think a resistive touchscreen is useless? Did you go to a school that exclusively used finger paints and A2 pages of paper for writing?
I don't understand what the big deal about capacitive touch is - as far as I'm concerned it's useless for everything that's not web browsing or multi-touch gestures...
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run Linux? Seriously.
Oh, wait here we go:
# Intel Atom Z520 @ 1.33GHz, 533MHz FSB; 512K Cache
# Intel US15W chipset
# 1GB of DDR2 Memory
# 8.9 inch LCD (1024x600 resolution); LED backlight, Resistive Touch Panel
# Intel GMA 500 integrated graphics
# 16GB ASUS-JM S41 solid state drive (SSD)
# 16GB SDHC Card Included
# 10GB Eee Online Storage
# 802.11b/g/n Wi-Fi
# Bluetooth 2.1+EDR
# No optical drive
# 0.3 megapixel webcam + Digital Array Microphone
# VGA Output
# USB 2.0 x 2
# RJ-45 (Ethernet 10/100)
# Headphone / Mic Input Jacks
# MMC/SD card reader
# Twin speakers
# Gesture-enabled trackpad
# 2.11 Pounds (with battery installed)
# 0.99 - 1.11 inches thick
# Non-Removable Li-ion Battery (Up To 5 Claimed Hours of Computing)
# 8.85" (W) x 6.45" (D) x 0.99 - 1.11" (H)
# Windows XP Home
# Color Options: White, Black
# Protective Sleeve
# 1-year limited warranty
Guess we'll have to find out for ourselves (as usual)! :-)
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Consider it bought for me. It's $500 (the price is on the last page).
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Why not pick up a real tablet system, like a Dell Latitude XT off of eBay for $600-$700? Core 2 Duo, 3GB of RAM, 80GB HD, 12" LED LCD multi-touch screen, etc. I snarfed one "new open box" for $650 USD a couple of weeks back -- looked brand new/ever used.
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Because this is more portable and power efficient?
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If you want power efficiency why use x86? This [alwaysinnovating.com] comes in cheaper ($299-$399), has a battery life of 10+hrs (3-5 for the cheap one)
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If you want power efficiency why use x86? This [alwaysinnovating.com] comes in cheaper ($299-$399), has a battery life of 10+hrs (3-5 for the cheap one)
Because they haven't built or sold one yet?
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Why bother? Because it has a touch screen?
Give me a real keyboard and pointing device over a touch screen any day of the week. Use an iPhone (non-Apple-fanbois only, please) or another touchscreen phone like Samsung Instinct and you'll see exactly what I'm talking about. Garbage. They're just incredibly frustrating to work with (I know, I know, you'll get to used to it. What if I don't want to?)
I can pick up a Dell Mini 10 for under $500 that has the same processor and memory configuration, 4 times the
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Why bother? Because it has a touch screen?
Um, yes!? I'd use it to take notes, draw pictures, and it also has A KEYBOARD, so I can use it as a regular laptop too.
Oh, and play http://osu.ppy.sh/ [osu.ppy.sh] too. All work and no play and all that jazz.
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Does it run Linux? Seriously.
Not very well, probably. From the Wikipedia article on Intel GMA: [wikipedia.org]
The Intel System Controller Hub US15W for the Atom processor Z5xx series features a GMA 500 graphic system. Rather than being developed in-house, this core is a PowerVR SGX core licensed from Imagination Technologies. Since PowerVR is not cooperative with the open source movement, this has resulted in the reliance of out dated closed source Linux drivers.
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In other words, is very Linux-unfriendly. So I won't buy such crap. It's sad that we have lost a company that supports linux, fortunately there are others.
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Umm, no. Intel GFX chips are in general well supported with new, FOSS drivers. nVidia have modern closed drivers. ATI have some of both. Any of those would be better.
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Convenient breakdown. It really looks like other ASUS devices in terms of specs. Looks like they merely adapted the mods that others have been doing to them for a while and added a swivel screen.
What they should have done is included the 1080p display screens that have been emerging lately. The higher pixel count really helps a lot when it comes to running various operating systems on it. And while other people were asking what OSes can run on it, Windows or Linux, I was thinking "Is ASUS trying to beat
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The Intel GMA500 graphics are very broken on linux right now. I wouldn't buy this if you want 3d acceleration to work. Also, if you want to use it for watching HD video, you should wait until the driver problems are addressed.
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Does it run GoogleOS?
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ChromeOS you insensitive clod
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make phone calls? :P
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skype?
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None of this is new. (Score:2, Informative)
I've had a touch-screen tablet netbook for years. It's a Fujitsu P1510D (there was an article on Slashdot a little while back about alternative operating systems that mentioned it specifically). It's got a touchscreen, half a gig of memory, 30 gigs of hard drive space, a biometric sensor, et cetera. Oh, and in lieu of a touchpad it has a trackpoint. :)
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a Fujitsu P1510D (there was an article on Slashdot a little while back about alternative operating systems that mentioned it specifically). It's got a touchscreen, half a gig of memory, 30 gigs of hard drive space, a biometric sensor, et cetera. Oh, and in lieu of a touchpad it has a trackpoint
Your Fujitsu still sells for over $1,000. I could easily buy a thinkpad in the same price range that will do what I want. I want a netbook that is affordable with a trackpoint.
So indeed, I am asking for something new.
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I couldn't agree more. Using a trackpad is like trying to use a mouse with a broken arm swaddled in plaster. you're lucky if you can get the pointer 1/3 of the way across the screen without reseating your finger, and at higher sensitivities it's even more of a cumbersome pain to use.
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Having used an EeePC 1000H for over 6 months, I have to disagree. The touchpad on that thing was AWESOME - way better than the Synaptics one on my Thinkpad's Ultranav. In fact, it actually rivals the Thinkpad's trackpoint for ease of use, accuracy and speed... IF you spend some time learning to use it (not to mention multi-touch tapping etc.).
If you were just willing to try something new, you might find that a halfway decent, properly set up trackpad isn't necessarily inferior to a trackpoint on any more th
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Weak screen mount? (Score:5, Interesting)
Although the computer looks nice, I am a bit concerned as to the quality of the screen attachment. I have friend who has a computer with a similar configuration and after a year the screen would become wobbly, probably because of wear on the joint. Does anyone know whether Asus has taken care of this?
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Although the computer looks nice, I am a bit concerned as to the quality of the screen attachment. I have friend who has a computer with a similar configuration and after a year the screen would become wobbly, probably because of wear on the joint. Does anyone know whether Asus has taken care of this?
As a time-traveller from July 2010, I can assure you that this newly-launched product which hardly anyone in 2009 has even touched, does not, in fact, get wobbly after a year of use.
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As a time-traveller from July 2010, I can assure you that this newly-launched product which hardly anyone in 2009 has even touched, does not, in fact, get wobbly after a year of use.
Is there anything else that you can tell us. Have we finally manage to bio engineer a pig to fly?
Actually I wasn't expecting anyone to have year's worth of experience with the portable, simply to know whether Asus had tried to use a better mount, or they are just using the same one used in other models.
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As a time-traveller from July 2010, I can assure you that ... (blah blah blah ...)
WHO WON THE FUCKIN' SUPER BOWL, FER CHRISSAKE?!!
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Thats one of the things i love about this [alwaysinnovating.com], the screen comes of entirely and i assume/hope that you can just flip it over entirely so there is no joint to break.
Sweet timing... (Score:3)
SOLD! When does it ship in the UK?
It is going to ship in the UK, isn't it?
Non-removable battery?! (Score:4, Informative)
the T91 takes a completely different approach.... (Score:2, Insightful)
Does it? Does the T91 take a completely different approach to computing? Really? What is this marketing fluff?
It's a touchscreen. We've seen that. It spins around. We've seen that (GRiD 2260 anybody? Ruggedized convertable laptop from 1992. Incidentally, only eBay auction I ever got screwed on, but it was resolved) It's small. Damn sure we've seen that. Were touchscreen laptops ever that big of a deal? They were The Next Big Thing a few years ago but never got the impression people liked them that m
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I dunno, $500 seems pretty steep for a machine that's slower than most N270/280 netbooks and has less battery life even though it's got a non-removable battery. Wake me when they get 8 hours of (wi-fi browsing, note-taking, word-document-editing, divx/xvid playing) battery life...
I hate corp-speak. (Score:2)
Can we never, ever see the phrase 'new usage model' on Slashdot again? How about "New way to use it"?
Finally a tablet at a reasonable price. (Score:4, Informative)
I recently was gifted a Dell Inspiron Mini 10. I have no complaints (for what it is). It runs fine and what I really like about it is the HDMI output lets me easily hook it up to my plasma and watch movies with netflix. If this was available a month ago I would've seriously considered it, even though it has VGA out. Put an HDMI connector in it and I'd be in heaven.
I have always wondered why they charge such a premium for tablets, just like I still wonder today why I can't buy a large non-widescreen format LCD monitor for < an arm and a leg...
Uh this has been around for years.. (Score:2)
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(emphasis mine) Tha
It's the price. (Score:5, Insightful)
>Is it relevant because they shrunk the overall thing and now its a "netbook" ?
No, it's relevant because it's $500 instead of, say, a $2000 Fujitsu Lifebook.
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Netvertible? (Score:5, Funny)
Let's call the Windows based version a winnetvertible, and the Ubuntu version a netvertibuntu. If they add the ability for the Ubuntu version to make calls, it's a netphonevertibuntu. The aquatic version which comes with tools to help you catch fish and move boats will be a fishnetphonevertibuntugboat.
Or, we could stop making up stupid names for shit.
Kindle killer (Score:2)
Add a little decrease in cost and a touch screen and the kindle dies a well deserved death. No loss.
Nice try but I'll wait (Score:2)
My eee pc 1000 has the perfect size keyboard for me, although the right shift button could have had better placement. So 8.9" is going to be a little too small for me. The non-removable battery is also a deal killer. My issue with my netbook is the network card isn't supported by some of the software, uh, 'tools' I use, the battery life is almost half what they say it is, and the performance could be a tiny bit faster (only issue that really bugs me is not being able to watch 720p on it). What I ultimately
this was done in 1994 (Score:2)
around the time that the NEC versa laptops came out. the period was 486 dx2/66 era ;)
their version had a TFT display that could pivot around and fold on top of the keyboard, over it, with the screen up.
this is hardly new.
Gigabyte M912 (Score:2)
Gigabyte did this a year ago, with their M912. It looked like a stunning little machine, but sadly they priced it at more than double the price of the average netbook, and nowhere seemed to get any in stock.
I'm not sure why they've included a trackpad either. Those things are horrendous to use at the best of times, now there's a touch screen there to replace it. The space could be used to include a decent sized keyboard instead.
YOU ARE WELCOME (Score:5, Funny)
Hi everybody. Just wanted to stop by and say you are welcome. My now obsolete Eee non-touchscreen netbook was delivered yesterday. My decision to finally purchase thus ushered in this new generation of netbook (2 days later) for you all to enjoy. I'm getting tired of waiting for Android phones too so I better go buy a G1 so that 3 new Android phones will be released the next day. Otherwise we'll just have to keep waiting indefinitely.
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$500
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Why on Earth would you think a resistive touchscreen is useless? Did you go to a school that exclusively used finger paints and A2 pages of paper for writing?
I don't understand what the big deal about capacitive touch is - as far as I'm concerned it's useless for everything that's not web browsing or multi-touch gestures...