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Palm Pulls the Plug On Palm OS 300

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from the now-my-palms-wont-operate dept.
BobB-nw writes to tell us that Palm has decided to kill their PalmOS operating system and is instead betting their future on a still mostly unknown Palm webOS. Very little is known about the new Palm webOS, but it will supposedly support HTML5 and enable a local data store so that applications can be used both online and off. All of this is rolled into a Linux framework with a message bus based on JSON. Will be interesting to see where they take it.
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Palm Pulls the Plug On Palm OS

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  • About damn time (Score:5, Interesting)

    by wiredog (43288) on Thursday February 12, 2009 @12:47PM (#26829265) Journal

    Worst. API. Ever. EVAR!

    Bad enough that they renamed standard library functions. They also changed the order of arguments to those functions.

    Windows PocketPC, meanwhile, was programmable using the same languages and toolchain as regular Windows.

    • I guess I would wonder if anybody really cares at this point. Palm OS is dead. And has been for some time. I still have my Tungsten sitting somewhere in a drawer waiting for the sad day that my Blackberry AND my laptop go tits up simultaneously. Or for me to configure it into an e-reader. But really, does anybody buy anything from Palm these days.
      • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

        by Skater (41976)
        I still use my Sony Clie SJ-20 that I bought about 5.5 years ago... I think it has Palm OS 3.0 or 3.1 on it. Works great for what I use it for; I don't carry a laptop or a smart phone. But, yeah, it's a dead platform.
      • Re:About damn time (Score:5, Insightful)

        by Abreu (173023) on Thursday February 12, 2009 @01:02PM (#26829537)

        I used two Palm Zires (first a 21, then a 72) as ebook readers for the last 8 years.

        When my latest one died two weeks ago, I started looking for a replacement, only to find out that PDAs have been dead for years...

        Dammit Palm, you had a complete market cornered, why did you have to drop the ball so stupidly?
        If you had developed a decent OS (with a f**kin filesystem!) for your devices 5 years ago, you would still be relevant today...

        • In case you hadn't heard, the new Palm WebOs is creating quite a buzz that Palm may finally be back...

        • by darjen (879890)

          I recently started using my ipod touch as an ebook reader. Maybe not for everyone, but it works for me.

        • Re:About damn time (Score:5, Insightful)

          by couchslug (175151) on Thursday February 12, 2009 @02:07PM (#26830489)

          They should have kept to standard designs, dropped the price, and made Palms as common and cheap as pocket calculators.

        • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

          by Vortran (253538)

          Sounds to me like Palm is way out of touch with their market. How do you get a company like this to pay more attention to their users?

          I have 3 Palm Tungsten|C devices (2 in storage for when this one breaks). I had always hoped that Palm would come out with a device that included:

          Graffiti (able to use Graffiti I)
          Wifi with ability to change software/drivers
          Cellular voice/data with SIM card
          GPS receiver that can be readily used by any app
          Bluetooth
          IR I/O with stronger output and no cpu-specific hooks
          Stereo sou

      • by Rhone (220519)

        But really, does anybody buy anything from Palm these days.

        I'm pretty happy with my Centro.

        I tried a Blackberry first and it died within a week. I switched it for a Centro, which does more, cost less, and (best of all) didn't croak.

      • by KlaymenDK (713149) on Thursday February 12, 2009 @01:56PM (#26830341) Journal

        As a couple of others at this thread level, I'm a devout Palm user. Actually, I've just bought a Treo 680 (competently refurbished of course) -- "just" as in "it it's still in the mail".

        I've been using Palm PDAs for most of a decade, starting with a Palm III. My two beloved T3's are currently on their last legs; these things are nothing short of fantastic, keeping my mind and life functioning, but no matter how one cares for them they can only be expected to last for so long (which is why I'm upgrading to a Treo).

        On a related note, my brother has been using Psion Series5's for 13 years -- and he still thinks they're the best things out there, although he recently threw in the towel and bought an iPhone.

        It's such a shame that consumer electronics seems to be so ephemeral, it always has been. It means that the junk piles up on the landfill quickly, and it also means that the quality stuff is simply out of support long before the hardware is worn out.

        I say "seems to be", because few people realise --truly, consciously-- that one's gear does not need to change if one's needs don't. Granted, for most (young) people it's at least as much about the fashion statement as the functionality, and so they buy into the ephemerality. Meanwhile, the stalwarts who cherish their devices for their usefulness quickly appear to be dinosaurs, as not keeping with the times.

        I know that this Mac-like OS transition was necessary for Palm in order to be truly free to innovate, and I wish them luck, if for nothing else the market players need diversity to keep each other on their toes. I'm sure they're nervous about this gamble of leaving behind literally tens of thousands of 3rd-party applications; I know we are still many, many users out there who are -- even if we're being drowned out by others who don't feel the same.

        What am I trying to say? I wish Palm luck with their new OS and device, and I hope they get to survive on that account. But I also hope that the PalmOS community survives, for one does not rule out the other, and the old tools will not suddenly, lose their usefulness.

        • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

          The devil's in the details. I've got ten years of Palm OS use under my belt. I've had a Palm III, a Palm IIIc, a Palm V, a couple different Sony Clie devices, and my wife and I both run Palm Treo 650s. Why? Because I've got dozens of apps, and more than a little investment in them.

          From mileage trackers to payroll sheets to games to little utils that adjust the UI to make it work the way I want it to work, I've got a device that works the way I want to work.

          Problem is... WebOS isn't backwards compatible.

    • I will say good ridance too.

      I have programmed a little soft on it (a Go board generating SGF files of the games I played in my club) and the API was so stupid/complex/borked that it has taken me 10 time the time I have used to program it on a Pocket PC :(.

    • Re:About damn time (Score:5, Informative)

      by Major Blud (789630) on Thursday February 12, 2009 @01:02PM (#26829513) Homepage
      Don't forget that Palm is still going to produce devices running Windows Mobile alongside WebOS. Having spent much time with Windows Mobile, Symbian, and a Palm VII, none of those come close to an iPhone (I haven't used the new BlackBerry Storm so I can't comment). But, you are definitely correct in that that Windows Mobile has the best SDK and development tools available, bar none. There is something said about being able to write your own apps and distribute them freely.
      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        by ckaminski (82854)
        God I hate the Storm even more than I hate the iPhone... that clicky screen gimick... blech. If only I could testdrive an N810 before spending the money on it... :-/ I NEED the smartphone keyboard like my Treo has.
    • Re:About damn time (Score:4, Insightful)

      by hey! (33014) on Thursday February 12, 2009 @03:09PM (#26831447) Homepage Journal

      You try shoehorning qt or gtk onto a 68000 running at 16MHz with 128K of memory.

      If I recall, it wasn't any worse than any other API of comparable ability capable of running on similar hardware. It was idisyncratic of course because it wasn't Win32 which only seemed normal because so many people had to deal with it, and it didn't have the luxury modern frameworks do of burning processor time and call stack in order to provide an orthogonal model with close one to to one correspondence between what you saw on the screen and the objects you manipulate to make it happen.

      Anything new you have to learn is a pain in the ass.

      I think we have to judge an API like this by its results. A lot of people managed to develop a lot of applications for a lot of users, and by in large those applications were useful, functional and stable.

      Still, I think that the direction palm is going from an API standpiont is good. They've lost the developer mindshare war, so having a totally foreign API and application model is a luxury they can't afford. It sounds like they're doing the right thing on PIM data synchronization too. It's a scandal how you can't get a decent shared calendar on a mobile device without buying Exchange.

      On the other hand, I wish they would still offer non-converged devices. I realize it doesn't signify anything from a marketing standpoint, but I'd run out and buy a Pre right now if I could get it without the phone. I already have a phone, and I really hate having my PIM tied to my cell provider.

    • Re:About damn time (Score:5, Informative)

      by Darinbob (1142669) on Thursday February 12, 2009 @03:39PM (#26831953)

      The original Palm had very little memory (128KB!) and completely different design goals than the later Windows PDAs. The Palm was essentially an embedded device designed like most small embedded devices, and was very efficient with memory use and power. Whereas Windows handheld machines were designed to be a miniature version of Windows, and thus required a lot more memory and horsepower.

      Of course the API wasn't standard. You should rename the functions if they don't conform exactly to the standard (Microsoft C libraries on the other hand have had plenty of non compliant functions that weren't renamed, which has confused some programmers).

      Of course you couldn't use a Windows toolchain,
      what self respecting embedded programmers would want to? Besides, what Windows toolchain supported M68K anyway? This was not a Windows machine, it was not designed to work like Windows or look like Windows, so why would the lack of a normal Microsoft toolchain matter in the slightest?

    • Re:About damn time (Score:4, Interesting)

      by Elrond, Duke of URL (2657) <JetpackJohn@gmail.com> on Friday February 13, 2009 @01:21AM (#26839579) Homepage

      That's a bit harsh now, no? It's not a great API, but I've seen worse.

      I've been a Palm OS developer for some nine years now, primarily working on Weasel Reader (http://weaselreader.org [weaselreader.org]), so I've watched as it grew, changed, and finally died over the years.

      Early on, the OS was really great. It knew what its target hardware was and who its target audience was and it served them both quite well. Very useful and very low powered devices. The battery on my devices would last for weeks. I could even read on my Clie SJ-20 with the backlight on for a surprisingly large number of hours.

      But, Palm's failure can only be blamed on itself. They owned the market and they let it slip away. Along with stupid business decisions, one of the biggest problems was that Palm OS failed to grow and mature like it should have. Palm OS 5.0 was the biggest update after 3.x and it was already way behind the times. They also managed to slap all of their FOSS developers in the face at the same time. OS 5 made it much harder to develop under anything but Windows.

      And now the grand new thing is WebOS. There's still an enormous number of Palm apps out there in the wild. Useful apps that require very little from the host platform, yet WebOS has no manner of emulation for them.

      I'm still subscribed to the palm-dev mailing list, the traffic of which has, not surprisingly, dropped off dramatically. One of the most recent threads was just a lot of old hands saying goodbye. Considering the longevity of this community, you'd think Palm might pay some attention, but no. As best as anybody can tell, nobody on the list was ever contacted by Palm for the WebOS beta, nor has anybody from Palm even dropped by just to promote the thing. This is the complete opposite of the Android dev mailing list which is crawling with people from Google who are more than happy to give useful answers and feedback.

      Palm lost me as a developer a long time ago and if it hadn't been for maintenance of Weasel Reader I would have stopped already. Why would I follow them now? Certainly, devs writing commercial and shareware apps will need to evaluate the situation as it pertains to their business, but what about FOSS authors? One of the best things about the Palm platform was the large number of quality FOSS apps developed by a community that Palm never helped and sometimes even hindered. For the time being, it looks like a lot of the FOSS people will be moving over to Android.

  • RIP My Friend (Score:5, Insightful)

    by clonan (64380) on Thursday February 12, 2009 @12:49PM (#26829309)

    I have used palm OS for almost ten years.

    Rest in Peace my friend, you will be missed.

    • Re:RIP My Friend (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Chris Burke (6130) on Thursday February 12, 2009 @01:10PM (#26829659) Homepage

      I have used palm OS for almost ten years.

      Rest in Peace my friend, you will be missed.

      I don't know about missed. I think more like "fondly remembered", in that special kind of nostalgic way where you're simultaneously glad it is in fact a memory.

      I've been using PalmOS devices since 97, and let me tell you, it wasn't long after the calendar hit 2000 that I stopped having a lot of patience for a non-multitasking OS. If this de-feature had made it stable that'd be one thing, but that's one thing PalmOS never was.

    • by Nimey (114278) on Thursday February 12, 2009 @01:27PM (#26829883) Homepage Journal

      I won't miss if it's within a hundred yards. Swiss-made rifles FTW!

    • by jridley (9305)

      I'm still using my Palm IIIxe. I doubt I'll need anything more than that for a long time.

      I don't really like smart phones. Actually I don't much like cell phones at all, I have one but it's turned off almost all the time unless I need to make a call.

      There's still almost no service where I live, unless I go outside, then I can MAYBE make a call and have the signal hold for 30 seconds, if the weather cooperates.

      So if I have to replace my PDA, I hope there's something that doesn't require a service contract

    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      I have used palm OS for almost ten years.

      Rest in Peace my friend, you will be missed.

      Same here. As much as I like my new iPhone, its PDA capabililities are still inferior to palm OS:

      • no to do's
      • notes don't sync
      • entering a meeting in the calendar takes more time
      • no custom conduits for 3rd party applications

      On the other hand, the iPhone's browser makes you feel in the 21st century...

  • by Doctor Faustus (127273) <Slashdot@Wil l i a mCleveland.Org> on Thursday February 12, 2009 @12:51PM (#26829337) Homepage

    Is this going to be a brand-new start? Didn't they buy Be a few years ago to build their new OS versions around BeOS?

    • That was the speculation, but that is all it was, was speculation. Be already had BeIA which you could use much like Windows NT/XP embeddeded Platform Builder. If they really intended on using it, they already had everything they needed from the get-go. Just some drivers would need written.
    • by steeleye_brad (638310) on Thursday February 12, 2009 @01:05PM (#26829573)

      Palm did acquire Be Inc in 2001. After this, it get's really fucking goofy and confusing, so I'll just quote Wikipeida (article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palm,_Inc. [wikipedia.org])

      In January 2002, Palm set up a wholly owned subsidiary to develop and license Palm OS[4], which was named PalmSource in February[5]. PalmSource was then spun off from Palm as an independent company. In August 2003, the hardware division of the company merged with Handspring, was renamed to palmOne, Inc. and traded under the ticker symbol PLMO. The Palm trademark was held by a jointly owned holding company.

      In April 2005, palmOne purchased PalmSource's share in the 'Palm' trademark for US$30 million.[6] In July 2005, palmOne launched its new name and brand reverting back to Palm, Inc. and trading under the ticker symbol PALM once again.

      In late 2005 ACCESS, which specializes in mobile and embedded web browser technologies, acquired PalmSource for US$324 million.

      Who knows where Be's intellectual property ended up. Nothing ever came of the Be acquisition, and most likely nothing ever will. Palm's WebOS is entirely new, developed in-house, and has nothing to do with PalmSource/ACCESS.

      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        Probably this:

            BeOS Lives: Haiku Impresses

        http://osnews.com/story/20951/BeOS_Lives_Haiku_Impresses [osnews.com]

      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        by pavon (30274)

        It ended up with ACCESS. I don't think they have any plans for it whatsoever. It was bought to make the next PalmOS, Colbalt, which ACCESS canceled in favor of their ACCESS Linux Platform. The only action I have heard about is that ACCESS shutdown YellowTab (a proprietary fork of BeOS by ZETA software), while they have been accepting and minimally supporting of Haiku (an open source reimplementation of BeOS).

      • BeOS in PalmOS (Score:3, Informative)

        by DrYak (748999)

        Who knows where Be's intellectual property ended up.

        According to the few rumours I've read on the web, small bits of Be where used in the multimedia stack of Palm Garnet (the only component of the OS which was multitasking).

        The rest remained unused.

    • by rbanffy (584143)

      "Be a few years ago to build their new OS versions around BeOS?"

      THAT was a major blunder. Hope the patents were worth it at least ;-)

  • Isn't JSON insecure? (Score:2, Interesting)

    by jmichaelg (148257)

    I may be wrong but I thought you only use JSON when you're passing messages between trusted sources.

    Is that perception incorrect?

    • by TheCycoONE (913189) on Thursday February 12, 2009 @01:01PM (#26829499)

      JSON isn't inherently insecure, it's just a method of delimiting data. Running JSON through an eval is insecure, but there are drafts for safer implementations (stringify and parse, as well as a native JSON type in JavaScript iirc). That said, always verify your data.

      • by mad.frog (525085)

        JSON is already a "native type" in JavaScript -- that was really the reason for its invention.

        But yeah, running JSON thru eval() is a terrible, awful idea if you care about security at all. Manual parsing is currently required for safety.

        Upcoming ES-3.1 and/or ES-Harmony may have a "secure" JSON parser, but there's been so much flux in the standardization process I don't know the current status.

      • by LDoggg_ (659725)
        The eval is only as insecure as the host it's coming from.
        If you don't trust the source of the script/objects, don't use that source.
        And all http technologies are subject to man in the middle attacks, but you can always use httpS to help to mitigate that.
    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by LDoggg_ (659725)
      Depends on if you're including json as a script tag with the source to a host different than the one that loaded the original document or if you're retrieving json from an XMLHTTPRequest. The latter is sandboxed to the original document's host.
    • Is that perception incorrect?

      Yes. While I don't see any appeal to JSON, I really doubt anyone can exploit my parser.

      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        by LDoggg_ (659725)
        "While I don't see any appeal to JSON"...

        I've been writing XML based ajax apps for some time now, but I understand the appeal of JSON.

        It's not the smaller document size. The standard XML header is only about 35 bytes and you can make your tags as small as you like.

        It's not the speed of parsing. The XML DOM parsing is done natively and quickly using xmlHttpRequest.responseXML.documentElement.

        I think the appeal is the easy of getting started with development.
        With an XML DOM you can use or build an AP
    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by rbanffy (584143)

      "Is that perception incorrect?"

      Pretty much yes.

      It all depends on you deciding to trust the JSON you get and eval-ing it.

      If you can't trust the source, you should parse it using a safe parser.

  • Are these guys still making PDAs and phones?

    If they're a hardware vendor, why not just use Android?

    Wrapping webkit and giving javascript APIs to talk to the hardware isn't a bad idea and it's working for PhoneGap. I just don't know why they have to re-invent the wheel.

    Do they intend on making money licensing their WebOS to other hardware manufacturers?
    • by Aladrin (926209)

      "If they're a hardware vendor, why not just use Android?"

      Because this has been in the works for -years-. A lot longer than Android has been, even.

      Still, there's something to be said for giving up and going with what works, rather than trying to roll your own unsuccessfully. An Android-based PDA (if cheap enough) would sell pretty well, I'd think.

      I wonder if anyone is considering it?

    • by WiiVault (1039946)
      Yeah this is bizarre to me too. This has become a crowded market between WinMo, Mobile OS X, Symbian, and Android. I mean WebOS looks amazing, but the competition is stiff. Will Palm follow Apple and not license the OS? Do they really have the ecosystem and monetary muscle to support a totally new OS in a wide field? Or will they license it, thus going up against OSes backed by far more reliable giants? I really hope the Pre saves Palm, but I'm really not sure how it can.
  • by Dripdry (1062282) on Thursday February 12, 2009 @12:56PM (#26829423) Journal

    Is it just me, or has Palm fallen flat on its face every time they have something that could be big (except when they debuted the palm pilot)?
    They used to have so much caché, but every time I hear what sounds like good news it just vanishes.
    Why do people keep supporting this company if they can't get their act together? Do they offer a magical pony with every purchase that no one is telling me about?

    • by xoundmind (932373) on Thursday February 12, 2009 @01:02PM (#26829509)
      Not sure if it is true in 2009, but 4 years ago: Many, many medical and nursing students were required to have a Palm for running some handy med-apps.
      • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

        by bockelboy (824282)

        Indeed.

        Which is why all my doctor friends are now ecstatic that most of those applications are on the iPhone.

        Apple FTW!

        • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

          by ColdWetDog (752185) *
          Or the Blackberry. Epocrates [epocrates.com] is the big one. There are a number of smaller companies that take medical books and format them for PDAs with Palm OS being the dominant base (still). Back in Ye Olden Days I thought they were a great idea, even if it was really, really hard to get much out of Harrison's Internal Medicine in 480 x 320 pixels. With the ubiquity of real computers and Internet access, I've used them less and less.

          Most of the publishers had various and incompatible DRM strategies - you couldn'
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      Yeah. I've done a few of the Palm PDAs over the years, starting with the Palm Pilot Pro. Back then, those things were cutting edge, lots of software, lots of support. You looked at the device and you knew it had a future.

      It just seems like, since then, the company has had high goals, but has been on a behind-the-curve downhill slide ever since.

      I now look back with regret on my decision a little over a year ago to buy a Palm T|X. Little third party development these days. Almost no vendor support on the buil

    • by vux984 (928602)

      They used to have so much caché,

      I don't usually do corrections, but the word you are looking for is "cachet".

  • Palm doesn't own PalmOS anymore. They can choose not to use it on their devices, but that doesn't mean the operating system can't continue to develop and be sold to others (in the form of GVM or whatever).

  • So does this mean that nobody will be supporting my Handspring Visor anymore? I tried hot synching it to Vista the other day, but it was not recognized. With PalmOS being discontinued, I guess there will not be any support in Windows-7 either. Synching support in Linux is a bit hit or miss. When it does work often wind up getting duplicate entries in evolution.
  • Too late (Score:3, Interesting)

    by MikeRT (947531) on Thursday February 12, 2009 @01:08PM (#26829637) Homepage

    They had their chance when they bought all of the rights to BeOS. They could have taken the kernel and a few components and built a new OS on top of that, back before Blackberry and Apple were huge players in this market. Now, this comes along as a me-too product that will probably have very poor performance (a web-based approach on hardware too slow to run something like a V8 or Gecko-style JS engine?!)

    Worst of all for Palm, they could have released most of the code to BeOS under the GPL, let others develop it, and that would have had the effect of crushing a lot of their competition from Microsoft.

    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by iburrell (537197)
      They did write a new OS with the technology from BeOS. Palm OS 6, aka Cobalt, was a failure when released five years ago. No devices were ever released that used it. Part of the problem was the split between Palm and PalmSource. Palm went with Palm OS 5.4 for the Treo 650. And started using Windows Mobile about the same time. There were rumors that it was hard to write drivers for Cobalt.
  • This is awful (Score:5, Interesting)

    by laing (303349) on Thursday February 12, 2009 @01:11PM (#26829671)
    I started with WinCE (on a Casiopia) and stayed through 2 revisions despite the crashes, slowness, and rapid battery drain. I switched to a Palm III (clone actually - TRG Pro) and have had 3 Palm devices since then (currently a Centro). I prefer Palm's calendar and contact database to the alternatives. My Palm currently has about nine thousand contacts in the database. Am I going to be able to use the WebOS when there's no wireless data connectivity? I don't think so. Can Palm ensure the security of my data while using WebOS? I don't think so. What happened to the rumored port of PalmOS to Linux? I've been waiting for that for 3 years now. Since they are abandoning the platform, is it for sale? Are they going to open source it? I would not like to see it die.
    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      Am I going to be able to use the WebOS when there's no wireless data connectivity? I don't think so.

      According to TFA [networkworld.com]:

      According to Palm's website and some early development partners, webOS supports HTML5, enabling a local data store, so applications and data are available offline, and a file system.

      And the palm developer site: [palm.com]

      Leverage the local storage capabilities of HTML5 so that data is available even when users are offline

      I'm sure Palm intends WebOS to still work when there is no connectivity. Whether or not they implement this properly is another question, of course. Can anyone comment on how well the "local storage capabilities of HTML5" work?

    • by Thelasko (1196535)

      Since they are abandoning the platform, is it for sale? Are they going to open source it? I would not like to see it die.

      It will probably end up like the other operating system [wikipedia.org] Palm pulled the plug on.

    • by pavon (30274)

      Am I going to be able to use the WebOS when there's no wireless data connectivity?

      Yes, it runs applications on the device, not on a remote server.

      Can Palm ensure the security of my data while using WebOS?

      Yes, it stores your data on the device, and only supplements it with existing data from remote servers when you want. Just like outlook has a local address book, but can also plug into the corporate-wide LDAP directory.

      What happened to the rumored port of PalmOS to Linux? Are they going to open source it?

      Palm does not own Palm OS. They split off into PalmOne (hardware) and PalmSource (software) years ago. PalmSource was bought by ACCESS 4 years ago. They have the full rights to the PalmOS, and may choose to go forward with their

  • Misleading story (Score:5, Informative)

    by metamatic (202216) on Thursday February 12, 2009 @01:18PM (#26829735) Homepage Journal

    First off, Palm don't own PalmOS. It's owned by Access, who bought PalmSource.

    Secondly, PalmOS's plug was pulled back in 2005, when Access announced no further development work would be done on it.

    Thirdly, Palm didn't *decide* to pull the plug; their license from Access to ship new PalmOS devices expired, so they have no choice.

    I wrote about all this back in 2005 [ath0.com] when the news went around. I guess everyone's forgotten.

    • by LittleLebowskiUrbanA (619114) on Thursday February 12, 2009 @01:37PM (#26830039) Homepage Journal

      Don't know how we all missed it, what with our daily checking of your web site.

    • by Teese (89081)
      "In December 2006, Palm, Inc. paid $44 million to ACCESS for the rights to the source code for Palm OS Garnet. With this arrangement, a single company is again developing Palm hardware and software. Palm can modify the licensed software as needed and it need not pay royalties to ACCESS over future years."
      --Wikipedia, no citation given.

      So it sounds like palm did decide to pull the plug, the new agreement gave Palm rights to the source code (again).

      Assuming it's true, how much money was involved in split

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by hey! (33014)

      Well, not to meta-nitpick or anything, but I'm sure Access would have sold Palm a new license if Palm had been willing to pay anything like it must be paying to get a whole new OS.

      Still, in the era of $300 laptops, I wonder how cheaply some Chinese company could sell a knock off of the old Palm m505. For a lot of people, that pretty much was all the PDA they really needed. PDAs got powerful and converged partly because the companies built around selling PDAs were built around selling expensive, high margi

  • by Thag (8436) on Thursday February 12, 2009 @01:37PM (#26830033) Homepage

    I am using a Zodiac 2 now, and have a TX in storage if the Zod dies, but I am wondering what options exist for moving/using my data on other platforms?

    I know Access has sold their ALP platform to a couple companies, it's on at least one digital camera, too. They also put out a PalmOS compatible layer for the Nokia internet tablets.

    I think there is a company that emulates the basic built-in apps on WinCE and iPhone/iPod Touch. Haven't heard great things about that.

    Are there other options out there?

  • by argent (18001) <peter@NOspam.slashdot.2006.taronga.com> on Thursday February 12, 2009 @01:49PM (#26830245) Homepage Journal

    IF they'd kept the original PalmOS model and followed it to cheaper devices you'd be seeing Palms instead of Ti graphing calculators as the standard handheld for schoolkids by now... which would have translated into massive sales as the kids grew up. But Palm decided they HAD to go head to head against the Pocket PC, and threw away most of the advantages of the small, tight, lightweight Palm OS while keeping most of its disadvantages with PalmOS 5.

  • by damn_registrars (1103043) * <damn.registrars@gmail.com> on Thursday February 12, 2009 @02:09PM (#26830515) Homepage Journal
    Is that it took them this long to do it. Palm has been selling devices running windows for how many years now? I was surprised when I recently saw a (new) Palm device for sale that was actually running Palm OS.

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