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Microsoft Hardware Technology

Cars that Can't Crash? 921

johnsee writes "Microsoft is working with Ford Motor Co towards car that can't crash. The future of cars according to Gates will involve high-definition screens, speech recognition technology, cameras, digital calendars and navigation equipment with directions and road conditions." From the article: "Also on Friday, Microsoft unveiled its Performance Peak Initiative -- a line of computer systems to help the auto industry better coordinate supply chains, streamline design, production and sales and fill vehicles with computer gadgets."
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Cars that Can't Crash?

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  • Insurance Rates (Score:1, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 03, 2005 @02:28PM (#12422785)
    And I bet my insurance rates still won't go decrease, just like they didn't after seat belts and air bags became mandatory.
  • Re:Old Joke (Score:5, Informative)

    by smooth wombat ( 796938 ) on Tuesday May 03, 2005 @02:37PM (#12422932) Journal
    While I have mod points the vast majority of comments revolve around the obvious quips. However, in reading your comment it must be said that 13 is now a reality.

    The 2005 BMW 760i has a 'Start' button you must press (along with a transponder you insert into a slot) to start and stop the car [theautochannel.com]. So does the Lexus Gs 430 [msn.com] as do some Mercedes and Toyotas.

  • by Mark_pdx ( 466326 ) on Tuesday May 03, 2005 @02:39PM (#12422960)
    Making progress here is long overdue. The government has been studying this for at least 15 years.... I did some research work on this in the early 90's: Collision avoidance systems (radar or laser based) drowsy driver detection, etc.

    google IVHS (intelligent vehicle highway system) for starters.

    Not the Microsoft would be my first choice to design mass-produced life-threatening embedded systems.

  • by wowbagger ( 69688 ) on Tuesday May 03, 2005 @03:12PM (#12423541) Homepage Journal
    Just create some dummy accounts, and mark the people you don't like as foes of those accounts.

    Then make those accounts friends of your main account, and set your "Foes of friends" modifier appropriately.
  • If your ABS came on, you were skidding, and you would not have stopped as fast if you didn't have ABS.

    If ABS came on before you lost traction, your ABS sensor is broken.

    The computer control stuff is what allows cars to be as good as they are today. If you prefer to not have that, restoring an old car to better than new condition can be done for less money than a new car today.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 03, 2005 @03:50PM (#12424086)
    The correlation between being high and driving dangerously is tenuous, at best. The "official" conclusion of several European countries (UK, France, and at least a few others, I believe) is that while THC does impair reaction time, users compensate by driving more carefully, and no strong statistical correlation between the use of marijuana and dangerous driving has been conclusively found. Even the FDA has reached a similar conclusion in the US.

    Don't believe me? You don't have to. Click here and read a few of the reports they cite:
    Click click [erowid.org]
  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 03, 2005 @04:10PM (#12424336)
    Decent ABS is linked to traction control. Your traction control was out of whack. Cheap cars have cheap ABS that just pumps the brake all the time.

  • by Colin Smith ( 2679 ) on Tuesday May 03, 2005 @04:12PM (#12424362)
    Just not on regular roads. Retrofitting the existing road network with the required level of instrumentation is actually more expensive than building a new one.

    http://faculty.washington.edu/~jbs/itrans/PRT/ [washington.edu]

  • Re:Everyone stop (Score:1, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 03, 2005 @04:35PM (#12424662)
    Not true, read the grandparent more carefully.

    I fail to see how a car with a computer built into it, is simpler than a computer.

    A car with a computer built into it is a fixed platform. For the most part, parts are predetermined by the manufacturer. A computer (such as a home PC) is much more flexible and provides a great deal of surface area for change. Many of these components interwork and the potential for incompatibilities is large, not to mention the lackluster quality of most device driver software. Microsoft and other general-purpose OS manufacturers cannot generally rely on any particular set of hardware components being present.

    Um, you do realize that to run software, you need an OS?

    False. You don't need an OS to have an execution environment if your software talks directly to the hardware. Many embedded systems (industrial controllers for example) run without an OS.
  • Re:Everyone stop (Score:3, Informative)

    by jimicus ( 737525 ) on Tuesday May 03, 2005 @04:36PM (#12424670)
    I fail to see how a car with a computer built into it, is simpler than a computer.

    I think you're thinking of a computer as "PC with any one of a few hundred motherboards, a few hundred videocards, a few hundred soundcards, a few hundred CD-ROM/DVD-ROM drives, a few thousand hard disks and Heaven only knows what other crazy peripherals".

    In this context, a computer will be built out of few, well-tested, reasonably reliable parts and these parts won't vary from vehicle to vehicle. They probably won't vary much from year to year. Helluva lot easier to write a stable OS when you only have to support a couple of hardware combinations.
  • by ptbarnett ( 159784 ) * on Tuesday May 03, 2005 @05:31PM (#12425293)
    If your ABS came on, you were skidding, and you would not have stopped as fast if you didn't have ABS.

    There is reportedly at least one exception: loose gravel. On a gravel road, locking up the wheels will stop the car faster than ABS. One of the earliest cars with ABS (a Mercedes) had an override switch to disable ABS, for this exact reason.

    However, there's a trade-off: you lose steering if the front wheels are locked. Depending on the situation, an longer stopping distance on a gravel would be preferable to no directional control.

  • by DunbarTheInept ( 764 ) on Tuesday May 03, 2005 @06:03PM (#12425666) Homepage
    When I press the brake as hard as possible in an ABS car on ice (which unlike with normal brakes, is what you're supposed to do with ABS), I can feel in the brake pedal what the ABS system is doing - I can feel the jitter as it engages and disengages the break repeatedly. And here's what I feel - the brake is only engaged about 50% of the time - the duration of the engaged times and the duration of the pauses between them is the same. But manually, without ABS, I can back off when I feel that slippage and thus end up with effective breaking something like 75 to 80% of the time. It graphs something like this:

    time--->
    brakes: catch..slip..catch..slip..catch..slip..catch..slip ..catch..slip
    ABS BRAKING

    time--->
    brake on catch...........slip..catch............slip..catch ..........
    DOING IT MYSELF

    Maybe the cars I've used just had bad implementations of ABS, but it didn't do a better job overall because it keeps crossing the threshold back and forth and spending 50% of the time on the "slip" side of that threshold.
  • by vsprintf ( 579676 ) on Tuesday May 03, 2005 @09:34PM (#12427797)

    I doubt the court will be impressed with what is written on page 87 of a EULA that the driver supposedly agreed to by turning the ignition key.

    Are we both talking about the same Microsoft that bought off the DOJ? The same Microsoft that was convicted of monopolistic abuses but was still allowed to compete, and was even preferred, for federal contracts because of a presidential order rescinding a previous Executive Order? The Microsoft that has way more pull with the government and courts than Ford or Firestone? The Microsoft that has paid the gang of 500+ to believe that DRM is good for the country? That Microsoft?

  • by LakeSolon ( 699033 ) on Tuesday May 03, 2005 @10:28PM (#12428177) Homepage
    Maybe the cars I've used just had bad implementations of ABS...

    Crappy ABS will allow you to keep steering authority no matter how much you hammer the brake pedal, and that's the main point of it. However, it is reasonable to believe that any given ABS implementation is not going to give you the best possible stopping distance.

    I've had the opportunity to drive a wide variety of vehicles, and I have a habit of testing the ABS just for kicks. Some are too quick to release brake pressure, well before you'd lose steering authority due to skidding. Some leave the brake pressure off too much of the time, affecting stopping distance. But there are good ABS implementations.

    Most of the better ABS implementations are extremely difficult to outperform. I've had the opportunity to drive several different vehicles with the ABS activated and disabled. The Ford Econoline Van's ABS is a joke as far as stopping distance performance, and I've come to prefer the ABS deactivated in that vehicle even lacking the panic stop safety net. The BMW 3 Series on the other hand has a superb ABS implementation. You can just stand on the brakes in nearly any situation and it yanks you down to zero with little fuss or muss. With the ABS off I may have been able to improve upon it, but not repeatably and certainly not when it might matter most.

    And then there are more modern systems which modulate brake pressure to individual wheels. That is, they'll release pressure on ONLY the wheel(s) that slip. That's a trick a human with only one pedal simply can't accomplish. It's not a terribly common feature yet though.

    That's my $0.02.

    ~Lake
  • by Master of Transhuman ( 597628 ) on Tuesday May 03, 2005 @11:10PM (#12428415) Homepage

    (For the ignorant, the NT-based US Navy ship that had to be towed back to port when NT crashed.)

    Second new Ford motto: "Quality is Job - er, where's the Task Manager?"

    "End Task"

    "The program is not responding. Do you want to end the task?"

    "Yes - that's why I clicked 'End Task' - you stupid fucking piece of shit...!"

  • by Master of Transhuman ( 597628 ) on Tuesday May 03, 2005 @11:13PM (#12428430) Homepage

    which are supposed to be the safest and most fuel efficient ever made.

    Then he said the jet's systems were Microsoft-based.

    So I sent him an email asking: "What's wrong with this picture?" and referencing the Yorktown.

    He replied that he was going to research that part some more, but he got the point.

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