Dayton, Ohio: Free City-Wide WiFi 350
_Bunny writes "The City of Dayton, Ohio announced a plan to make all of downtown a WiFi hotspot - and as of last week, the network is live. This makes Dayton the first Ohio city to offer free WiFi access. Approximately one square mile of downtown is now live, including Fifth Third Field, the Oregon District, Webster Station and RiverScape. The WiFi project is a public/private partnership not funded by taxpayers, and comes at no charge to the end user." (According to the linked story at WHIO-TV, the city is actually paying about $5,000 per year, with advertisers picking up the rest of the tab.)
Legal Issues... (Score:4, Interesting)
Is the city monitoring the traffic to prevent kids under the age of 18 from viewing illicit material?
Will the RIAA come after them if someone uses this hardware to download illegal songs?
Re:Hopefully... (Score:2, Interesting)
I just hope this isnt something we look back on and say, "I really wish that ended up working."
Advertising (Score:4, Interesting)
Can't find this in TFA, all I can get is:
"HarborLink will basically offer some advertising to the end user to offset the cost that would normally have been passed on to the user. This allows the service to be offered at no cost.
Are the telecoms asleep?? (Score:4, Interesting)
"Do the Right Thing. It will gratify some people and astound the rest." - Mark Twain
That's nice, but the plans are just Pipe Dreams (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:History in the making (Score:3, Interesting)
so easy (Score:2, Interesting)
Anyway. I dont see what the big deal about this is, talk about simple shit to set up. Installed a dlink dwl7200 at a golf course the other day that will reach a lil over 5 football fields long that was only like 820$... Hrm yeah I was right:
802.11a/g (Full Power with 5dBi gain diversity dualband dipole antenna)
Indoors:
98ft (30m) @ 54Mbps
112ft (34m) @ 48Mbps
128ft (39m) @ 36Mbps
154ft (47m) @ 24Mbps
184ft (56m) @ 18Mbps
217ft (66m) @ 12Mbps
259ft (79m) @ 9Mbps
325ft (99m) @ 6Mbps
Outdoors:
367ft (112m) @ 54Mbps
820ft (250m) @ 18Mbps
1640ft (500m) @ 6Mbps
I must say though, this is an awful idea. Wireless internet has to be the best ticket out of jail for criminals since lawyers.
The big unanswered question... (Score:4, Interesting)
Uhm.. ok (Score:4, Interesting)
Although there *is* Mendelsons. Where old stuff from the Wright Patt air force base goes to die.. a huge warehouse..
Re:Uhm.. ok (Score:1, Interesting)
Re:Not the smartest idea this... (Score:1, Interesting)
Still, I agree you should encrypt everything whenever possible on principle.
Re:Advertising (Score:3, Interesting)
This might not even be that bad of a thing if the majority of the ads came from stores in the area, people would get (semi) relevant ads for stores in their immediate location, and could even help the economy in the area.
Dayton (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:City Wide? (Score:4, Interesting)
OK, so it's still on the 'build it they will come' notion / gamble then. I still don't see the great need for being connected like that all the time. I see wide open, anonymous access for hackers, virus authors and identity thieves. Of course nearly any WiFi access point qualifies for that.
I also see a viable network for distributed RFID readers to access their database back ends to make for greater ease in people tracking. I see web cameras, rather than the more costly dedicated units, all over the place, and the US becoming like the UK. I see the back end capability for the advertisement boards like in the Minority Report movie.
All of these things are intrusive and to my mind not good. And I'm by no means a luddite. I can just see no good coming from this. Granted other than reasonable free Internet connectivity.
not sure (Score:3, Interesting)
Build it, sure, but when you add-in controls to prevent these kinds of abuses, it's going to make the whole operation look less efficient (thus validating the claims of the Free Market Fundamentalists).
Try Athens GA (Score:2, Interesting)
http://www.nmi.uga.edu/mmc/inside.php?s=environmen t&p=3/ [uga.edu]
Re:City Wide? (Score:3, Interesting)
I couldn't agree more. Many midwestern cities like Dayton and Cincinnati are experiencing a major problem getting people into their downtown entertainment districts outside of the 8-5, M-F work-week due to explosions in the suburbs. Offering something like this is a great way to improve publicity of the struggling city-centres and attract more revenue downtown. Even if it isn't heavily-used, its mere presence will be a boon to the downtown merchants.
For all the gripers (Score:2, Interesting)
You are free to disagree with me, of course.
Municipal Wi-Fi is no different (in my mind) than any other municipal service:
Street Lights. ("I never drive on 3rd avenue, why should I have to pay to light it?")
Police and Fire Service ("I've never been mugged, why pay for police?")
"Gov't should stay out of utilities!" Then stop taking showers, flushing your toilet, and take your garbage to the dump in your tiny little hybrid.
Now, some city services are paid for out of general taxe revenue (Police, Fire, Gargbage, in my area). Other services are paid based on usage (Water & Sewer in my area). Either way money goes to the local gov't for the service, and the city or county pays the utility provider.
Municipal Wi-Fi would work no differently. Which payment model it should use is certainly open for debate, but as a concept, why shouldn't my city provide connectivity for the masses?
Security - yeah, there will be problems and challenges. But these can be dealt with. Do you just squat down on any old public toilet in the park without checking the seat first? No different here. Alternatively, I can drink city water out of the tap, with a certain amount of particulate and distate, or I can install a water softener and Brita filter if I want cleaner water than the city provides.
Re:Dayton (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:City Wide? (Score:4, Interesting)
There isn't. But it is fantastic to have it available anytime and anywhere you want it.
I see wide open, anonymous access for hackers, virus authors and identity thieves. Of course nearly any WiFi access point qualifies for that.
For that you can just go to your local library. Nothing new here - just easier access.
I also see a viable network for distributed RFID readers to access their database back ends to make for greater ease in people tracking. I see web cameras, rather than the more costly dedicated units, all over the place, and the US becoming like the UK.
Do you also see aliens? Seriously, you're just FUDing here.
I see the back end capability for the advertisement boards like in the Minority Report movie.
Specifically: when he walked into a store, he was greeted by name and asked whether or not he like the last thing he purchased. ie: he entered someone's personal property (the store), and the security/customer system identified him. Which is no different than having a guard/service rep at the entrance asking for your id and greeting you, except that it is automated. You don't like it, don't go in the store. It is private property.
All of these things are intrusive and to my mind not good. And I'm by no means a luddite.
All of those things are ONLY in your mind. All that is being offered here is city-wide WIFI. If that make you nervous, GET OUT NOW. There is already city-wide cellphone access. There is nearly Nationwide cellphone access. There is no difference between cellphone access and wifi access in terms of what they can do (allow you to connect to a network and send/receive data).
Get over your luddite self.
I can just see no good coming from this. Granted other than reasonable free Internet connectivity.
And there you've just explained it. The only thing coming from this is reasonable free Internet connectivity. So you have nothing to worry about.
More on WPAFB, Mound Lab (Score:3, Interesting)
Monsanto's Mound Lab was located south of Dayton along the Miami River in Miamisburg on Mound Avenue (the "Mound" is an ancient Moundbuilder burial cite). I know the plutonium cells that powered some satellites and space probes were constructed there.