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Sony Begins OLED Mass Production 193

Dodger73 writes "According to their press release at sony.net, Sony beings mass production of full color OLED displays at 3.8" size for their Clie PEG-VZ90 'Personal Entertainment Handheld.' The press release claims, that their 'Super Top Emission' technology reaches 150cd/m^2; at the familiar 1000:1 contrast ratio. Not quite the 19" display I'd like for my computer at home, but definitely a step in the right direction."
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Sony Begins OLED Mass Production

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  • by tod_miller ( 792541 ) on Wednesday September 15, 2004 @08:42AM (#10255200) Journal
    Opto Tech introduces 1.5-inch OLED panel for handsets [digitimes.com]

    "The company said that the panel has the highest resolution among all current OLED panels"

    Perhaps OLEDs will lead to 300dpi displays, or at least 160dpi. ~72 just don't cut it.
  • by grunt107 ( 739510 ) on Wednesday September 15, 2004 @08:47AM (#10255234)
    The story did not say anything on power consumption for the Sony OLEDs. I would hope, since PDA/Cell battery life is fairly low right now, that this OLED consumes far less than its backlit counterpart.

    Otherwise, the sharper contrast/light quality is nice, but no thank you.
  • It's about time (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Dolphy ( 569457 ) on Wednesday September 15, 2004 @08:50AM (#10255251)
    One step closer to everything we've been promised the past few years. You want a roll-up screen to go with your fold-up keyboard? This is the technology line that will make it happen. Window curtains that can change color, table-tops that are skinnable...think of it.

    Now if we can only get the price down enough to make such trivial applications a reality.
  • Clie? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by man_of_mr_e ( 217855 ) on Wednesday September 15, 2004 @08:54AM (#10255278)
    I wonder if this is going to change their policy in regards to selling Clie's in the US? [slashdot.org]
  • PSP bound? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by PorscheDriver ( 698772 ) on Wednesday September 15, 2004 @08:56AM (#10255293) Homepage
    Will these end up in Sony's PSP? Would be nice...
  • by dabug911 ( 714069 ) on Wednesday September 15, 2004 @09:01AM (#10255317) Homepage
    It was my understanding originally that OLED's where being promoted/created to help fight the power consumption. OLED was promoted to be used to replace light bulbs eventually becuase of the lower power consumption as well I believe. Even some Cells are starting to experiment with them.
  • by gwizah ( 236406 ) on Wednesday September 15, 2004 @09:04AM (#10255343) Homepage
    For one of their Cameras awhile back? Whatever happened to that? And why wasn't it ever realeased in the US?

    I'm glad to see Sony utilizing this technology. Now I just have to wait for the eventual OLED gameboy :)
  • by LabRat007 ( 765435 ) on Wednesday September 15, 2004 @09:08AM (#10255364) Homepage

    Seems I've been hearing about this technology for years. Does anyone know what Technical road blocks may have been keeping it from entering full blown industrial production for so long? Or maybe this is just the normal gestation period of a new technology?
  • by daiakuma ( 812576 ) on Wednesday September 15, 2004 @09:11AM (#10255385)
    I read a while ago about how OLEDs in the future could be part of an energy revolution, causing electricty consumption for lighting to be reduced to a tenth of present levels. The article I read suggested that the day was about ten years away. Maybe it is a lot closer than that, now.
  • Response time (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Lank ( 19922 ) on Wednesday September 15, 2004 @09:13AM (#10255396)
    They keep saying they have excellent respone time, but how fast is it? To quote TFA: "As OLED works with self-luminous organic materials, it has outstanding response time, without producing any afterimage even when displaying moving images (movies)." I think LCD screens make the same claims, although they actually can and do leave afterimages a lot of the time, making fast moving games, like first person shooters, very difficult to enjoy.
  • by Kokuyo ( 549451 ) on Wednesday September 15, 2004 @09:34AM (#10255570) Journal
    I'd like to know at what temperatures those thing still work... They'd come in handy as GPS screens in cars. But cars usually get very cold/hot during the seasons.

    Hey, if they came in the right size I'd put them in my KARR (yes the one from Knight Rider) once it's finished.
  • Re:In other news... (Score:4, Interesting)

    by hey! ( 33014 ) on Wednesday September 15, 2004 @09:52AM (#10255711) Homepage Journal
    One of the toughest things I've learned about business over the years is the importance of identifying and concentrating on your best customers for a product.

    Your best customers aren't necessarily the ones with the most money, or even the ones with the greatest need. They're the ones who are willing to pay the most money for things you're good at. Looked at this way, in Japan, there are tons of people who will pay top dollar for sophisticated, cutting edge technology in a small package. In the US, being a gadget freak makes you a -- freak. Look at the phones people use! Look at the networks! The height of technological sophistication among well heeled US executives is a Blackberry, nothing against RIM or anything, it's a nice device, but nothing very astounding.

    So, the size of the early adopter market in the US is actually much smaller. Sony can have a pretty sure hit in Japan among the early adopters without the extra investment in marketing and production that seriously targetting the pragmatist segment would require. Once the kinks are worked out and the production costs are trimmed, then they can consider introducing something for the pragmatists at a lower cost, or more likely licensing their technology to somebody geared up for that particular headache.

    I really wish I'd learned that lesson in software marketing.
  • by dabadab ( 126782 ) on Wednesday September 15, 2004 @10:07AM (#10255834)
    "when showing images such as some of the nature type pictures included in xp as default desktop backgrounds

    (...)
    So that was 5 years ago.
    "

    I hate to point out that five years ago it was 1999 and we did not have Windows 2000 - let alone XP.
    Also, the good quality of a high-end, probably insanely expensive TFT does not mean much about the stuff we have to use in our lives - for example, the TFT in my Fujitsu-Siemens Lifebook has very sucky viewing angles.
  • by purduephotog ( 218304 ) <hirsch&inorbit,com> on Wednesday September 15, 2004 @10:52AM (#10256200) Homepage Journal
    Seriously- I know. I calibrate them.

    Of course you need a good probe to know read the CRT- and that means something like the SLS9400, which retailed around 5K at last recall. And you can't ever shut the monitor off, it has to be on ALL the time.

    And of course you need a specialized interface for Windows, because windows simply chokes on anything other than 8 bit. Certain cards, like the Dome boards (10 bit BW) are great. Others actually have internal 10 bit ramdacs but don't allow driver access to them. Such a pity.

    The underlying subsystem is broken for windows which will limit everyone to 8 bits for years to come.

    Never mind that CRT manufactures are calling daily to say they're discontinuing this model, that model... sigh.

    (and you need 8 bit to 10 bit internal to avoid banding/quantitizaiton errors after calibrating...)
  • by Theovon ( 109752 ) on Wednesday September 15, 2004 @12:03PM (#10256992)
    I work at a company that develops medical imaging display systems. To make displays uniform and produce correct grayscale images for viewing xrays, etc., there are some strict standards for "gamma" calibrating monitors, referred to as DICOM.

    I was at the last SID convention, talking to one of the experts on this stuff from IBM, and I ignorantly commented on how I was looking forward to OLED displays because of the contrast ratio. He explained to me that OLED displays suffer from burn-in worse than any CRT.

    Until the recent past, the lifetime of OLED displays has been measured in months. Apparently, what happens is that for each pixel, the junction between the electrodes and the organic diode decays over time (relative to the amount of charge that has gone through it), increasing resistance. At first, this just dims the LED, until the resistance gets so high that you can't meet threshold voltage for the diode, and it stops working entirely.

    As I'm sure you can imagine, medical displays can't afford to have any non-uniformity. But given that medical images are non-uniform by nature, non-uniform burn-in will occur, making the xray or MRI image look different, depending on its placement on the screen. The point is that I'm sure you won't appreciate having your monitor suffer non-uniform burn-in, even IF what you're displaying can't affect someone's health.

    (The advantage with LCD's is that the liquid crystal doesn't decay, and the only things that do break down are the fluorescent back-lights, and that decay is relatively uniform.)

    As I'm sure is the case with everyone else, I look forward to the day when OLED decay is practically non-existant. The problem is that the progress is incredibly slow. LCD's been around for a LONG time, yet it's still far from perfect. OLED will require just as much time to get as good, which means it'll be decades before it catches up. Meanwhile, LCD's will continue to get better.
  • by cerberusti ( 239266 ) on Wednesday September 15, 2004 @05:55PM (#10260526)
    An LCD has to have a much higher brightness in order to maintain an acceptable contrast ratio. There are CRTs on the market that support really bright images, but since a higher brightness generally means more eye-strain, this is not the default.

    A good CRT still produces the best image quality, and can be had for about the same price as an LCD of equivalent dimensions. The image quality of a low end CRT does not even compare with an LCD, although they are much cheaper.

    The glare is less on an LCD because it produces more light, and is therefore not affected as much by ambient light sources. Most good CRTs do have a fairly effective anti-glare coating, although they are not perfect. A polarizing screen filter will eliminate glare almost completely (although my personal solution is to keep the lights off.)

    The OLEDs are better than anything currently on the market. They beat LCDs and CRTs in every way that matters. The image quality is excellent, and they can be run at low brightness levels without sacrificing image quality. Kodak (who owns the patents on most of the OLED technology) really made a breakthrough in display technology with these. I look forward to getting one to replace my (fairly new) CRT.
  • by Tritoph ( 694474 ) on Wednesday September 15, 2004 @10:17PM (#10262324)
    I thought Sony wasn't going to be OLEDs in 2004 [slashdot.org]?

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