Apple Introduces New G5 iMac 1595
peatbakke writes "Well, here it is. Looks like the rumors of computer+monitor combined into a sleek little case were true." It's mostly what you'd expect both design-wise and specwise. And I want it.
The inside layout is far better for an all-in-one. (Score:5, Informative)
Reminds me of the layout of my favourite pizzabox machines - just standing up
Compare Apples and dells (Score:5, Informative)
$1,299.00
17-inch widescreen LCD
1.6GHz PowerPC G5
512K L2 cache
533MHz frontside bus
256MB DDR400 SDRAM
NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200 Ultra
64MB DDR video memory
80GB Serial ATA hard drive
Slot-load Combo Drive
$1,499.00
17-inch widescreen LCD
1.8GHz PowerPC G5
512K L2 cache
600MHz frontside bus
256MB DDR400 SDRAM
NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200 Ultra
64MB DDR video memory
80GB Serial ATA hard drive
Slot-load SuperDrive
$1,899.00
20-inch widescreen LCD
1.8GHz PowerPC G5
512K L2 cache
600MHz frontside bus
256MB DDR400 SDRAM
NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200 Ultra
64MB DDR video memory
160GB Serial ATA hard drive
Slot-load SuperDrive
Dell Dimension 4600C Intel® Pentium® 4 Processor (2.80GHz, 533 FSB)
Operating System Microsoft® Windows® XP Home Edition WHXP
Memory 256MB Dual Channel shared DDR SDRAM at 333MHz
Monitors Dell Multifunction LCD TV/Monitor Selected Below TV [320-2913] 5
Video Cards Integrated Intel® Extreme Graphics 2 IV
Hard Drive 40GB Ultra ATA/100 Hard Drive 40 [341-0836] 8
Floppy Drive and Additional Storage Devices No Floppy Drive Included NFD
Mouse Dell® 2-button scroll mouse SM
Network Interface Integrated 10/100 Ethernet IN
Modem 56K PCI Data/Fax Modem DFAX
CD or DVD Drive FREE UPGRADE! 24X CD-RW/ DVD Combo Drive
Dell W1700 LCD TV w/1 Yr Svc Qty 1
FREE Dell 720 Color Printer with 1 Yr Advanced Exchange Service Qty 1
TOTAL: $1,373.00
Nice (Score:2, Informative)
Interesting points, it has a VESA compliant arm, so you can wall mount it easily. And Apple still haven't managed to get a clue about RAM, shipping a PC with 256 MB of ram is NOT ACCEPTABLE anymore.
this is not 1999, OS X needs at least 512 MB to run well.
Re:Compare Apples and dells (Score:5, Informative)
Re:The inside layout is far better for an all-in-o (Score:3, Informative)
I've mirrored the above image here [nermal.org]
Coverage from MacObserver (Score:5, Informative)
Paris 2004 - Live Coverage of Steve Jobs Keynote
3:00AM CDT, August 31st, 2004
[4:44 AM] We aren't sure that the unit shown on stage was an actual working unit. It may have been a body with a paper display covering it. We aren't sure, of course, but we wanted to make note of that. - posted by Bryan
[4:41 AM] We are seeing a video for the new iMac now. Apple is comparing it to the iPod, the way the music player sits in the Dock. Also, the video says "From the creator of the iPod," showing that Apple is trying to leverage the success of the music player. Jonathan Ive says it is "quiet and utterly serene" in the video. - posted by Bryan
[4:38 AM] US$1299 - 17" 256 MB RAM, Combo Drive, 80 GB drive, 64 MB video card. This compares to US$1799 for the old starting iMac.
US$1499 - 17", with 1.8 GHz.
US$1899 - 20" display (1680 x 1050), 2.2" thick, 1.8 GHz G5, 256 MB RAM, 160 GB drive, SuperDrive, and same 64 MB video card.
They will begin shipping in mid-September! - posted by Bryan
[4:37 AM] You can unscrew three screws, and the entire back comes off. The crowd loves it!
The G5 module, when looking at the back, is on the right side. There are three fans in the unit, and it is "quiet as a whisper." - posted by Bryan
[4:35 AM] SuperDrive. 1.8 GHz G5. 600 MHz frontside bus. 400 MHz DDR RAM, up to 2 GB. Serial ATA hard drives, AGP 8X graphic slots. The speakers are mounted on the bottom, so they reflect off the desk, up to the user. The keyboard will slide underneath the display when you are not using it.
There are three 5 USB (3 2.0, 2 1.1), two FireWire, a modem slot, Ethernet (10/100 Base-T), audio-in, audio-out, both headphone and optical), power button on the bottom. - posted by Bryan
[4:34 AM] "Everyone is ging to be asking "where does the computer go?"
All of the connectors are on the left side, all in a row. Again, the crowd is going wild. - posted by Bryan
[4:33 AM] It's white in color, and the crowd is going wild. It has a grey Apple logo on front. Everyhting fits together right behind the display. - posted by Bryan
[4:32 AM] It looks like just a Cinema Display with a DVD slot loader on right side towards the top. Aluminum foot. It's the world's thinest desktop computer, at less than 2" thick. - posted by Bryan
[4:31 AM] The iMac G5 demonstration has begun. - posted by Bryan
[4:31 AM] Apple has sold 7.5 million iMacs, which works out to2.38 per minute over six years. - posted by Bryan
[4:29 AM] The iChat demo ended with Bertrand Serlet video conferencing in. The crowd loved his brief conversation in French. - posted by Bryan
[4:20 AM] We're on to iChat now. The last time we saw such a demo, it included lots of people from around the world in Apple's very cool iChat AV update in Tiger. That does, of course, bring to mind the idea that perhaps will see a certain iCEO who is in northern California, and if we do, we might even see some new hardware... - posted by Bryan
[4:19 AM] Mr. Schiller has moved on to demonstrating the iLife suite. This is the same demo that we have seen before... - posted by Bryan
[4:09 AM] We've moved on to Dashboard, Apple's implementation of a Widget engine. - posted by Bryan
[4:05 AM] For those keeping score at home, the US Apple Store is now, and finally, offline. - posted by Bryan
[4:02 AM] Well, Mr. Schiller went on to a H.264 demo instead of the iMac. Go figure. Interestingly, he specifically did not mention any release dates for this new digital video technology.
From H.264, we are moving on to a demonstration of Safari RSS. - posted by Bryan
[3:54 AM] During Mr. Schiller's Spotlight demonstration, he "found" a document on his demo Mac called "New Products Demo." This will, undoubtedly, be the new iMac everyone is waiting to see.
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Re:Compare Apples and dells (Score:5, Informative)
Re:The inside layout is far better for an all-in-o (Score:5, Informative)
Re:The inside layout is far better for an all-in-o (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Nice (Score:5, Informative)
Alternatively... (Score:5, Informative)
Re:How stable is it? (Score:3, Informative)
Re:weak video card (Score:4, Informative)
I don't think so - the top-of-the line powerbooks (15" and 17") should have enough horsepower for Doom 3 as well as the whole Powermac G5 family. Besides, the iMac family will certainly get another upgrade round before Doom 3 for Mac gets into beta phase. Half year would be a really optimistic estimate...
Re:Apple hate RAM. (Score:2, Informative)
It's a home computer. If you're a power-using geek you don't buy this, you buy this
Although I agree 256MB is a bit stingy, what possible use could a home user have for more than 2GB or RAM
256MB is very stingy. An extra 256MB would have cost £20 more, probably less, since they're buying in bulk.
As for the upper limit, well after the computer has been used for 4 years and it's now running more demanding applicatons, one can stick in a single, cheap, low-end 4GB DDR DIMM and suddenly have the thing perform vastly better. I've performed many similar upgrades on old computers. It normally costs very little and has a massive effect. But they've removed that option, since it's only twice as good in that regard as an iMac from 4 years ago.
Re:iPod + New iMac == Steve Earns His Pay (Score:1, Informative)
And yes I do know about the planes and the stock options and the fact that he is filthy rich or "well compensated" , but somebody had to say it or it wouldnt be
Re:Ports location (Score:3, Informative)
I agree though the design won't be as clean, but I imagine that Apple counts on alot of 'design' freaks to upgrade to wireless options.
Re:Now you can all stop whining. . . (Score:1, Informative)
It's as inexpensive as a IBM clone and worth more in value.
$1299 gets me: 17 LCD (nice), 1.6Ghz G5, 256MB memory, 80GB ATA HDD, and a 64MB GeForce 5200 video card.
From Dell, it appears that I can get a similar package for under $1099. I know that if I looked around, I could find a similar setup for under a grand. Perhaps
Apple has advantages, but price isn't one of them.
Re:Reasons to like the previous iMac design better (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Reasons to like the previous iMac design better (Score:3, Informative)
Except that it *is* accurate - Jonathon Ives (the designer of the iPod) also designed the new iMac.
Re:Reasons to like the previous iMac design better (Score:1, Informative)
That's what the hole in the iMac's base is for. Keep your cables in here.
Re:side-loading CD/DVD? (Score:2, Informative)
For instance, the current eMac has a SuperDrive which burns DVD-R disks at x8. This one burns at x4. I think this is the price for putting the optical drive at an arbitrary angle (usually not quite vertical), in fact, I bet all the "up to" language above means the drives will work best at certain angles.
I'd still want one though. I'm sure I could use it as a TV with the proper firewire input box.
Re:In the UK (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Sweet - here's my take (Score:5, Informative)
That was an engineering choice more than a marketing choice, though of course it was dictated by both. The largest single source of heat in a Power Mac G5 is the system controller ASIC. Low-temperature G5-based systems must necessarily eliminate that source of BTU's.
Most importantly, can this model finally take an aftermarket internal Bluetooth module?
The internal Bluetooth module is available as a BTO option only.
Will more VRAM be available as a BTO option?
No. You'll get more VRAM in 6-8 months when the Rev. B machines are announced, just like always.
If the iMac is going to sell at all in the gaming market
The "gaming market?" Surely you jest.
With this out there, will the eMac see a minor speedbump anytime soon?
Odds are slim. That's a Motorola issue, not an Apple issue.
Most importantly, will normal human beings actually be able to buy these in stores anytime this year
Depends on where you live. If you live near an Apple Store, you'll be able to buy one this week. But you'd better get there fast.
Re:The End of Computer Design (Score:5, Informative)
Re:In the UK (Score:3, Informative)
no you wouldn't. you have to buy a tv licence to watch broadcast TV. if you do not watch broadcast tv, you do *not* need a tv licence. it's that simple.
need a licence:
watching terrestrial tv including the bbc
watching terrestrial tv excluding the bbc
watching cable/satellite tv with or without the bbc
watching tv on a computer with a tv tuner
do no need a licence:
using your tv just to play video games
using your tv just to watch dvd's
using your tv as a doorstop
using your tv as a paperweight
using a computer with a tv tuner, but not watching tv through it.
got it? the tv licence company doesn't like admitting that you can own a tv without paying them money but it's the truth and they'll admit it if you force them into it.
HTH
dave
Re:Compare Apples and dells (Score:5, Informative)
Not to knock your compare but since you specifically chose to compare to a Dell, I thought I'd bring it up.
Re:Compare Apples and dells (Score:2, Informative)
Would Dell (or any other PC OEM) "buy back" your three year old laptop for roughly one third it's original sticker price three years later?
Apple did, offering a $700 credit on a new Powerbook by trading in my first generation TiBook.
And I can guarantee you that they were run through a comprehensive QC check, rushed out the door to eager resellers and back into the hands of those looking for the ultimate in geek chic at an moderate price.
Re:Apple Mouse (Score:4, Informative)
I used to have a 2 button + scroll wheel mouse -- simply plugged it in and it worked in every app I tried it in.
Now I use a Kensington Turbo Mouse with trackball, 4 buttons + scroll wheel. Works like a charm.
Failure mode? (Score:5, Informative)
In my experience, electrolytic capacitors, which have a liquid dialetric, tend to fail as this liquid migrates from one end of the capacitor to another. Inside they're built like a jelly roll, and all the jelly leaks to one end, changing the capacitance value and sometimes creating shorts.
I can see how heat might make this problem worse, but the biggest problem is gravity and the orientation of the capacitors. I don't know how many pieces of old equipment like video terminals I've "fixed" by having their users "put them to bed" by turning them upside down at the end of the day. These capacitors look like they're laid out horizontally, which I think will tend to make them last longer.
Re:Reasons to like the previous iMac design better (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Like in the movies... (Score:3, Informative)
Apple will probably cut the price on their 20" soon though.
Re:Unlikely (Score:2, Informative)
As a corporate client, I have to disagree. Even if the software I need ran on a Mac, I can go to Dell and buy a machine for under $600 that will work just fine for the job. That is 2+ machines for the price of 1. So unless I am really looking to piss off the Finance department, how could it possibly work?
Re:side-loading CD/DVD? (Score:2, Informative)
I was just at the Paris Expo.. (Score:4, Informative)
It's a sleek and contained design, but it reminds me of one of the new cinema displays in plastic with serious underbite. The photos don't show it very well, but the top layer of the bevel surrounding the screen is clear plastic, which looks quite nice, but I don't think it completely saves the design. I was personally expecting something much more exciting, but looking at it straight on, you can almost fool yourself into thinking you are looking at an eMac missing its speakers.
With this design to complete their lineup, its easy to see that they wanted the iMac to be to the Powermac, as the iBook is to the Powerbook. There are similar form factors between the consumer and pro lines (if you had one of the new aluminum displays for your powermac), and the same materials for each side of the divide.
Apple Can't Come Up With An Original Idea (Score:1, Informative)
I've been selling and servicing PCs from that family for years. Great machines, low power, easy service.
Re:Unlikely (Score:4, Informative)
Pure conjecture. As someone who's fairly platform agnostic, I'll admit that I love the G5 and feel that it's an excellent chip architechture, but I've gotten the distinct impression that it's about equal with the Opteron/Athlon64 line, clock for clock. It eats a P4 for breakfast in this domain, no doubt, but everyone is well aware of the P4/Netburst's extremely poor IPC.
The big advantage right now is that a G5 can run software at its full potential *now*, whereas an Athlon64 is currently relegated to 32 bit mode (we're talking gaming, and therefore I assume Windows. For other applications you most certainly have 64bit Linux). The Athlon64 will only get faster as x86-64 software begins showing up, opening up the extra registers on the CPU that currently go unused.
So I guess my point is, yes, the G5 is an amazing chip and a huge step forward for Apple, but don't believe that it's something that it isn't. This of course all comes with the usual disclaimer that it's all about your application, so pick the best in that regard.
Re:Dual Head support? (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Just wondering (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Now you can all stop whining. . . (Score:3, Informative)
Maybe it's not that people forget, but it's just that they are a little more well-informed than you. It is hardly as cut and dried as you make it sound. Those terms are pretty much meaningless in modern processors, since they are all pretty much insanely complex (violating one of the primary tenets of RISC design).
RISC vs CISC was an interesting argument in 1994. In 2004, it's mostly irrelevant (except to the fanboys of particular platforms).
Re:Failure mode? (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Unlikely (Score:5, Informative)
Just to nitpick, the original Mac had 128k. Six months later or so, they introduced the "Fat Mac" with 512k.
Re:Its beautiful but (Score:2, Informative)
Monitors and iMac displays (Score:2, Informative)
Cinema Display Monitors are much better than the screeens found in the iMacs, for the same size. I am talking about current models of course, but I assume it will be the same for the upcoming ones. The viewing angle is much wider, the backlighting much more uniform, etc. iMac screens are essentially laptop screen.
Compare to the lowest end dell spec'ed out ident (Score:4, Informative)
Ok iMac is low-end so compare to cheapest Dell with almost the same functionality.
Dell w 17 inch lcd = $1377 yet it is not an all-in-one
Dell with 20" lcd = $1887
Specs for the Dells otherwise:
Pentium 4 at 2.8 Ghz (533 FSB)
Windows XP Pro (Can't compare Home to OS X because OS X has all the features of Pro and more)
256 Megs RAM
80 gig hd/160 with 20 inch screen
Single Drive: 16X CD/DVD burner (DVD+RW/+R) w/double layer write capability
Fireiwre PCI adapter
128MB DDR NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200 Graphics Card with TV-Out and DVI
What your not getting with the Dells:
Gigabit Ethernet
Widescreen LCD
All in One enclosure
64 bit capability->Especially for linux users
A design that begs to be seen, not shoved under a desk.
What your not getting with the iMac:
64 extra megs in the viedo card.
Crap trial software you have to remove
The lower end Dell (17") was made to compare with the mid range iMac. $122 isn't all that much considering what benefits you will gain. (IMO).
At the higher end, there is no question in my mind that the iMac is by far the better deal for merely 12 dollars extra.
Feel free to try doing the spec work on your own elsewhere. Just make sure you don't compare OS X to Windows XP Home. OS X's capabilities far outstrip those of XP Home. And if your selling to businesses that need to join a domain, you would need Pro anyway.
Re:Mac == Resale Value (Score:1, Informative)
Re:Sweet - here's my take (Score:3, Informative)
I think the parent's point was that on previous iMacs, it was only feasible for Apple to install the Bluetooth module because it was deep inside the base somewhere and getting to it meant disassembling the machine. With the newly accessible design, inserting a Bluetooth module could be as easy as inserting an Airport card.
2-4? try 8+ dead pixels (Score:2, Informative)
what manufacturer only requires 2-4 dead pixels?
Re:Unlikely (Score:2, Informative)
the real loss is the video mirroring only support - instead of spanning. (why do they fear sales of PMG5's will be impacted if they allow spanning - instead - it just drives techies away -
Re:Just wondering (Score:3, Informative)
(emphasis mine)
I'm not in the market for an iMac, but this is a really nice machine. It's got me thinking that maybe we'll see a G5 in a Powerbook (which I am in the market for, or will be soon) by January after all.
Re:Unlikely (Score:5, Informative)
Unfortunately, I think they've pretty much sold out the previous generation iMacs, so I doubt that getting one of them is much of an option. And of course the G5 processor's going to be great.
Interesting that they went to 17" only. I wish they'd kept a 15" model at $999. This lack of low end is Apple's greatest problem with consumers. With HP and others packaging a computer, monitor and printer for $999, I think a $999 iMac with a nice LCD would make a very nice package for many, considering that you can buy printers for next to free nowadays.
D
Cost-Justifying a Mac Client - it's doable. (Score:5, Informative)
If you have a lousy monitor left in a corner the PC is much cheaper than the Mac. But if you want your employees to survive without eyestrain you probably want to fix its lifespan at three years. This means replacing the monitor at the same time as the PC.
The cost of spyware and virus protection/removal solutions is about $50 per machine, plus $1,000-odd on the server level, plus about $100 per year per machine for roughly one technician hour a year of support.
Mac
Visits
Lifetime
Total
Cost/year... $279
PC
Visits
Spyware+AV Software... $100
Total
Cost per year: $333
If we add a cheap monitor for $100 it goes up to $366. But then you should really compare it to the $799 eMac, not the $1,299 iMac, which would actually increase Apple's advantage.
if we add a 17" LCD for $500 it goes up to $458.
Visits may be a gross underestimate. I've seen PCs messed up so badly that it's been cheaper to buy a new PC than to figure out what's wrong.
This doesn't even include the server-based AV software you should also buy.
See? The Mac isn't half bad when it comes to a reasonable cost perspective with all costs included. Not to mention that Apple Mail + iCal costs nothing, while Outlook + Exchange are obscenely expensive.
D
Re:Unlikely (Score:4, Informative)
The cheapest usable Dell with an LCD is over $1000.
The cheapest Dell with comperable specs (good 17" screen, 256 MB DDR400 RAM, 80 GB HD, CDRW-DVD) is more expensive than the iMac.
Too bad there's no WUXGA option (Score:3, Informative)
Dara
Re:heat kills capacitors, and armchair engineering (Score:5, Informative)
-40 to 125 is industrial spec.
-50 to 150 is military spec.
Some companies/products differ from these (i.e. a lot of power ICs are designed for the 150 max in their industrial version), but those are the general guidelines.
Shoulda bought one 10 minutes ago (Score:3, Informative)
iMac 1.6GHz w/ 17" TFT
1GB DDR400 SDRAM - 2 DIMMs
Combo Drive (DVD-ROM/CD-RW)
Accessory kit
Bluetooth Module + Apple Wireless Keyboard & Mouse + Mac OS X - U.S. English
Power Supply
250GB Serial ATA drive
For $1,823.00 (all of that stuff)
Also, on that order appears Quicken 2005 for Mac at $69.95.
When I went back to check on my saved order, it was gone. Re-Generating the identical order, my wife's new apple now costs $2483.00.
W9259862
iMac 1.6GHz w/17" TFT Z094 1 $2,483.00 $2,483.00
1GB DDR400 SDRAM - 2 DIMMs 065-4715
Combo Drive (DVD-ROM/CD-RW) 065-4704
Accessory kit 065-4695
Bluetooth Module + Apple Wireless Keyboard & Mouse + Mac OS X - U.S. English 065-4721
Power Supply 065-5255
250GB Serial ATA drive 065-4720
That's $660 in about 10 minutes.
I planned on getting it for her birthday next year...
At this rate, it will cost:
$34,715,183.
Re:Unlikely (Score:5, Informative)
I disagree that locking down windows will work (Score:5, Informative)
I agree with you with this point. Apple historically has always been behind on the supply side. They never seem to be able to estimate demand or scale up when well when it rises, resulting in delayed orders. Its a shame.
No, you just need to lock down the config tight enough so that can't happen
We have an entire team of guys at our college that specialize in one and only thing. Windows PCs. Yet, they have trouble locking down the computer because Windows and Windows programmers have picked up alot of bad habits over the years. Allowing Limited Userby default to even write to the root of the C:\ drive, the root of Program Files, last but not least the root of the Windows directory. Even after locking down most things. Our computers where hit by NetSky.
Here is a short example C:\Program Files\Common Files\McNeel Shared\Teen Porn 16.jpg.pif has been deleted. C:\Program Files\Common Files\McNeel Shared\Virii Sourcecode.scr Found the W32/Netsky.c@MM virus !!! C:\Program Files\Common Files\McNeel Shared\Virii Sourcecode.scr has been deleted. C:\Program Files\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\Best Matrix Screensaver.scr Found the W32/Netsky.c@MM virus !!! C:\Program Files\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\Best Matrix Screensaver.scr has been deleted. C:\Program Files\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\CDO\Best Matrix Screensaver.scr Found the W32/Netsky.c@MM virus !!! C:\Program Files\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\CDO\Best Matrix Screensaver.scr has been deleted. C:\Program Files\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\CDO\Dark Angels.pif
It just goes to show that the Windows OS is inherited from a single user system, and doesn't think about where and how a user can install malware and virii ..etc throughout the system, infecting other users. We've been using Unix and now Linux for the last 20 years and I've never as many problems on Windows on other
platforms like Solaris, HP-UX, AIX, Linux and Mac OSX.
Re:Shoulda bought one 10 minutes ago (Score:4, Informative)
17-inch:1.6GHz $1,299.00
17-inch:1.8GHz $1,499.00
20-inch:1.8GHz $1,899.00
(back to what it was)
My saved order W9259055 is back...and my saved order W9259862 is now gone...
Yeah, I've got printouts of both "Choose you iMac G5" prices in front of me right now.
What will the price be in the next 10 minutes?
Hmmm...I wonder if there's folks day trading iMac futures?
Re:Just wondering (Score:2, Informative)
Re:new imac (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Unlikely (Score:3, Informative)
Not really, the last generation iMacs (G3's, G4's) are almost a dimea dozen on eBay. Well, not that cheap, but, if you shop around out there...you can find them with 17" screens for the $750-$850 price range pretty easily, depending on the RAM, processor, original software plus extra...etc.
Speakers, etc. (Score:3, Informative)
Networking seems more like the cable you'd have on a company desktop - better performance, cheaper, and way way less security headache than wireless.
Incidentally, the stand looks like it has a sort of cable holder thing, to make things a little bit neater. And you can of course always get a cable snake thingy if you're plugging in lots of stuff.
Re:Just wondering (Score:3, Informative)
Did you miss the part where the grandparent linked to the mention of the optional INTERNAL bluetooth receiver for the keyboard and mouse. Sheesh.
Serial ATA and other higher quality components... (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Compare Apples and dells (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Unlikely (Score:1, Informative)
Re:Unlikely (Score:3, Informative)
This includes wall-mount options, and of course, they're all third-party designs.
Given the option ( and the extra cash ), I'd still go with a dual-processor PowerMac tower any day, though. I like my 'lamp' iMac, but dual processors and the ability to upgrade the GPU would be worth the extra cash... still, this is a nice-looking machine that fits in Apple's lineup pretty well. Now if only IBM can start putting out those G5s like they should...
Re:Bull, Apple TCO arg is fallacious (Score:1, Informative)
Sorry dude, I was almost believing you until you pulled this whopper out of your ass. If you are going to troll, at least try to make up shit that sounds remotely like the truth.
Re:3rd party accessory I'd like: mounting options! (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Unlikely (Score:2, Informative)
Since when? 128KB = 1Mb if you know that "B" is byte and "b" is bit.
1 "B" = 8 "b"
128KB = 1024Kb = 1Mb
Google for "128KB in Mb" [google.com]