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Apple Introduces New G5 iMac

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  • new icon! (Score:5, Funny)

    by ack154 (591432) * on Tuesday August 31, 2004 @08:16AM (#10116646)
    So how long until we get a new slashdot icon that looks like this model?
    • by jb.hl.com (782137) <joe@@@joe-baldwin...net> on Tuesday August 31, 2004 @08:50AM (#10116973) Homepage Journal
      Before we get a Gentoo one and a KDE one from less than 5 years ago, obviously :)
  • by danamania (540950) on Tuesday August 31, 2004 @08:16AM (#10116648)
    Here [danamania.com] is a larger view of the inside of the machine. It's one hell of a lot more accessible than the last imac (or any of the imacs to date, for that matter).

    Reminds me of the layout of my favourite pizzabox machines - just standing up :)
    • by foo12 (585116) on Tuesday August 31, 2004 @08:24AM (#10116732)
      Original source for the images [apple.com]. Apple's bandwidth and servers are probably a little more /. proof
    • Alternatively... (Score:5, Informative)

      by Xenex (97062) <xenex@NoSPAM.opinionstick.com> on Tuesday August 31, 2004 @08:26AM (#10116748) Journal
      You can grab the images from Apple's iMac G5 PR images page [apple.com].
    • by scoser (780371) on Tuesday August 31, 2004 @08:31AM (#10116794) Journal
      I was about ready to start cutting my wrists in despair at the thought of servicing it, but your picture has reassured me that Apple may be back on the right track for serviceability in the iMac models.
  • new imac (Score:5, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 31, 2004 @08:16AM (#10116650)
    It's a pretty rad computer considering what it is.

    Cue all the comments about 5200 geforce not being enough -- it's not meant for that.

    "They should have had a 2 gighz in there " - that would eat into the market above it.

    It is for offices and for homes -

    The criticisms are:

    If you are going to make it like a TV... they should have gone all the way and put a TV tuner in there - this is the killer app to beat microsoft on and to complete the iLife suite. An Apple (with all the associated easiness) TV center with maybe a grey one for corporate use with no TV.

    The other critcism is that they should have a place in their product line for a headless box, so that all the hackers can get their grubby paws onto it and innovate on OSX - but really that constitutes competition with their other product lines, and constitutes competition with their own software so they won't do it.

    They are family centric, gamers (yeah yeah, apple gamers, oxymoron, kekeke) can up the ante to a dual g5...so the only criticism left is that there aren't many good (I know there are options, but not outstanding ones) TV tuner /application bundles for the mac.

    I hope I've cleared up alot of the "OMG only a 5200 nvidia" bullshit here - that's not it's purpose. But if it's purpose is that lazy kind of home desktop, it should have TV. But perhaps apple is thinking ahead to a TCPIP broadband world and a movie service along the lines of iTunes (pixar distribution channel anyone?) - it does leave a gap in their product line though.

    Oh, and as slashdot still hasn't posted this story I'll add the "Looks like they were trying to get the g5 into a tablet/laptop but didn't quite make it" joke, which goes hand in hand with the "omg no g5 laptops yet". Slashdot is so predictable.

    Sidenote - IBM should bring out said headless box, black alu case like the NeXT with a single G5 in it clocked a 2gighz and a 100% linux compat mobo.... That would soon become a cult item I imagine - but apple would have a fit because it would encorage all the unix geeks on their platform to swap and it would encorage a strong user base of a ppc linux to get going. So, like I say, not going to happen. Actually, can someone enlighten the thread as to who *owns* the G5? Could IBM do this?

    speculation/discourse.... check

    questioning of realworld performance combined with gamer
    joke...... check

    omg look the graphs on game performance have no scale.... check..stfu you are boring me....

    g5 hotness jokes..... check

    256 mem ram not enough.... check

    wistfully wanting some other company to release a headless apple because apple won't.... check

    questioning of apple users sexual preferences.... check

    raise question of one buttoned mouse..... maybe they have a one buttoned mouse by default because it forces their app/UI designers to be creative - let those that want two buttons have them... but let all apps be designed with only one in mind (remember that gnome desktop designers who are hiding everything and anying, even if it should be there - although I don't mind spatial atm, I can see it going too far). Let us hear the end of the one buttoned mouse whinging.......

    and wait for it...."I don't want to start a holy war here, but what is the deal with you Mac fanatics? I've been sitting here at my freelance gig in front of one of the new iMacs (a 1.6gighz G5 w/256 Megs of RAM) for about 20 minutes now while it attempts to copy a 17 Meg file from one folder on the hard drive to another folder. 20 minutes. At home, on my Pentium Pro 200 running NT 4, which by all standards should be a lot slower than this Mac, the same operation would take about 2 minutes. If that."

    exhausting most of the pointless cliched bullshit in a slashdot thread before it's begun.... priceless^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hprofit!!!

    and hell, and I don't even own a fucking apple.
    • Re:new imac (Score:5, Insightful)

      by squiggleslash (241428) on Tuesday August 31, 2004 @08:27AM (#10116754) Homepage Journal
      The 256Mb of RAM is my major beef with the machine (not that I particularly like the pricing either.) OS X really needs much more than that to run smoothly running anything but the most trivial applications. Even "modern" games have problems in half a gig.
    • Re:new imac (Score:4, Insightful)

      by sammaffei (565627) on Tuesday August 31, 2004 @08:27AM (#10116758)
      I agree with the TV tuner lacking quip.

      I mean, Apple advertises it as being widscreen (almost 16:9). So, why don't they go the extra step to put a tuner and video inputs (S-Video and Component).

      If this thing had that, I could ditch my 17" LCD TV.
      • Re:new imac (Score:5, Insightful)

        by Twirlip of the Mists (615030) <twirlipofthemists@yahoo.com> on Tuesday August 31, 2004 @09:19AM (#10117277)
        Priced a new TV lately? The manufacturers are opting out of including tuners in most cases, because for a lot of customers a built-in ATSC tuner would be a waste of money. Those folks get their programming via a cable TV or satellite set-top box.

        Apple couldn't include just an analog tuner. That would be a terrible idea. We're already in the second half of 2004; analog tuners will be junk in less than 30 months, well within the life-span of a computer like this.
    • In the UK (Score:5, Interesting)

      by Macka (9388) on Tuesday August 31, 2004 @08:44AM (#10116922)

      adding a TV tuner would be a disaster. If you didn't have one already, you'd be forced by Law to buy a TV license with your new iMac whether you wanted to use it as a TV or not. This would add an extra £121 ($216.90) to the cost of your computer.

      Most people don't buy a computer to watch TV on, so why should we pay extra for functionality we don't need?

    • Re:new imac (Score:5, Funny)

      by Bunji X (444592) on Tuesday August 31, 2004 @09:23AM (#10117316)
      Cue all the comments about 5200 geforce not being enough -- it's not meant for that.

      From Apple's iMac G5 pages.

      The iMac G5 offers formidable built-in graphics capabilities. Like, for instance, the gorgeous widescreen display. Mac OS X version 10.3 "Panther," provides you with the world's most advanced -- and most graphics-savvy -- operating system. And then there's the NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200 Ultra graphics processor with 64MB of DDR SDRAM. It's a combination that delivers unparalleled 2D and 3D graphics performance and an immersive, photorealistic gaming experience with three times the frame rate of previous-generation processors.

      Ok, it is not a gaming box, but... Unparalleled 2D and 3D graphics performance with a GFFX 5200? That would be the day!
      • Yeah ok... (Score:5, Funny)

        by MachineShedFred (621896) on Tuesday August 31, 2004 @10:53AM (#10118238) Journal
        Sure, marketing people never get carried away. I'm sure that all the drivvle to come from Dell, Gateway, NVidia, ATI, VIA, AMD, Intel, and Microsoft is perfectly accurate, and never EVER stretches anything.

        Perhaps you like this better:

        The iMac G5 offers mediocre built-in graphics capabilities. Like, for instance, the so-so widescreen display. Mac OS X version 10.3 "Panther," provides you with the world's most mid-range -- and most graphics-using -- operating system. And then there's the NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200 Ultra graphics processor with 64MB of DDR SDRAM. It's a combination that delivers middle-of-the-road 2D and 3D graphics performance and a semi-immersive, pixelated, and distorted gaming experience with half the frame rate of our professional systems.

        Yeah, that makes me want to buy one. Hell, I'll buy two after that stunning writeup. Here's my credit card!!

        Always remember that marketing people are SELLING product, and that by making a comparison to the last model, they can get away with saying things like "unparalleled performace"
    • Re:new imac (Score:5, Insightful)

      by dasmegabyte (267018) <das@OHNOWHATSTHISdasmegabyte.org> on Tuesday August 31, 2004 @10:15AM (#10117825) Homepage Journal
      Apple explains the one mouse button in its HI Guidelines. The idea is simple: there are people who can only use one mouse button, for reasons of disability or what have you. Coding for one mouse button allows you to avoid having to program especially for these people, while allowing those who want a second mouse button to use it however they like. You don't lose any functionality, because you can just modify mouse drags and clicks with meta kets. Four meta keys = 4 additional actions by a single meta and a further 6 actions adding two meta keys. Ctrl-Click is generally used to pull down context menus a-la Windows, and this is the default functionality of the second mouse button.

      Apple does not ship computers with more than one mouse button mostly because of this philosophical choice, but partly because doing so would give developers justification to require the use of more than one mouse button for their target market.

      Incidentally, I hadn't realized how confusing the two button paradigm was until I got a mac and tried to learn Blender. Blender is a mess of multiple mouse clicks, metas, rolls, etc. It's a good program, but you really need the tutorial before you can even figure out where you are. This isn't good design...an interface that does not lend itself to exploration will go unexplored, and you might as well write for the command line at that point.
  • by BoldAC (735721) on Tuesday August 31, 2004 @08:17AM (#10116655)
    Not trolling... just giving something for discussion. If anybody buys me one, I promise I'll add an apple section to tech-recipes. [tech-recipes.com] :)

    $1,299.00

    17-inch widescreen LCD
    1.6GHz PowerPC G5
    512K L2 cache
    533MHz frontside bus
    256MB DDR400 SDRAM
    NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200 Ultra
    64MB DDR video memory
    80GB Serial ATA hard drive
    Slot-load Combo Drive

    $1,499.00

    17-inch widescreen LCD
    1.8GHz PowerPC G5
    512K L2 cache
    600MHz frontside bus
    256MB DDR400 SDRAM
    NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200 Ultra
    64MB DDR video memory
    80GB Serial ATA hard drive
    Slot-load SuperDrive

    $1,899.00

    20-inch widescreen LCD
    1.8GHz PowerPC G5
    512K L2 cache
    600MHz frontside bus
    256MB DDR400 SDRAM
    NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200 Ultra
    64MB DDR video memory
    160GB Serial ATA hard drive
    Slot-load SuperDrive

    Dell Dimension 4600C Intel® Pentium® 4 Processor (2.80GHz, 533 FSB)
    Operating System Microsoft® Windows® XP Home Edition WHXP
    Memory 256MB Dual Channel shared DDR SDRAM at 333MHz
    Monitors Dell Multifunction LCD TV/Monitor Selected Below TV [320-2913] 5
    Video Cards Integrated Intel® Extreme Graphics 2 IV
    Hard Drive 40GB Ultra ATA/100 Hard Drive 40 [341-0836] 8
    Floppy Drive and Additional Storage Devices No Floppy Drive Included NFD
    Mouse Dell® 2-button scroll mouse SM
    Network Interface Integrated 10/100 Ethernet IN
    Modem 56K PCI Data/Fax Modem DFAX
    CD or DVD Drive FREE UPGRADE! 24X CD-RW/ DVD Combo Drive
    Dell W1700 LCD TV w/1 Yr Svc Qty 1
    FREE Dell 720 Color Printer with 1 Yr Advanced Exchange Service Qty 1
    TOTAL: $1,373.00

  • long time coming (Score:4, Interesting)

    by proj_2501 (78149) <mkb@ele.uri.edu> on Tuesday August 31, 2004 @08:18AM (#10116662) Journal
    i remember reading a macworld in 1994 showing conceptual designs from the apple industrial design department.

    they had something like this (along with a mac based on the tizio lamp, and a tablet mac)

    too bad gateway got it to market a few years ago :)
  • by Thakandar2 (260848) on Tuesday August 31, 2004 @08:19AM (#10116670)
    I guess when someone shoots the monitor and says they destroyed the computer I can't laugh at the movie anymore.

    Leave it to apple to spoil my bad action movie jokes...
  • by TheWart (700842) on Tuesday August 31, 2004 @08:20AM (#10116679)
    While I never really liked the look of previous iMacs, I must give Apple kudos on this one.

    It looks *extremely* slick, and I these would look so much better as the terminals in librarys and what have you, although probably way overkill.

    And the one cord in the back is a far cry from my desk, lol.
  • Apple hate RAM. (Score:5, Interesting)

    by serviscope_minor (664417) on Tuesday August 31, 2004 @08:20AM (#10116681) Journal
    This thing is only shipped with 256M of RAM by default? And only upgradable to 2GB?

    The old iMacs could hold 1GB. This one is about 10 times faster and maxes out at twice the memory. This is pretty poor. Why does apple insist on shipping systems with such little memory.

    Also, why is the FSB at 1/3 of the clockspeed of the CPU, as opposed to 1/2?
  • by sessamoid (165542) * on Tuesday August 31, 2004 @08:21AM (#10116694)
    Design-wise, it's in keeping with the home line with the white minimalist aesthetic. It matches the iBook and iPod well. The brushed aluminum stand gives it a design relationship with the G5 towers. At this size, it looks like the perfect dorm-room computer (as long as you lock it down!). The 17 inch version weighs in at a light 18.5 pounds and only 6.8 inches deep.

    The most amazing space-saving feature is that it holds it's own power supply in that thin enclosure, so no ugly power bricks sitting on your desk or floor. If I didn't already have a dual 2.5Ghz G5 coming, this would look pretty attractive.

  • by sabinm (447146) on Tuesday August 31, 2004 @08:21AM (#10116700) Homepage Journal
    It's as inexpensive as a IBM clone and worth more in value.

    As an aside, this weekend I called apple care to get my logic board on my G3 Ibook replaced for the third time. I wasn't pleased, and I asked for a new one. Guess what? They're shipping a new Ibook G4 1gz for me. That's service. Barring the fact that the hard ware was faulty, they really came through on this one. That's why I buy apple.
  • by choas (102419) on Tuesday August 31, 2004 @08:22AM (#10116702)
    As posted here: http://live.macobserver.com/article/2004/07/paris2 004_keynote.shtml

    Paris 2004 - Live Coverage of Steve Jobs Keynote

    3:00AM CDT, August 31st, 2004

    [4:44 AM] We aren't sure that the unit shown on stage was an actual working unit. It may have been a body with a paper display covering it. We aren't sure, of course, but we wanted to make note of that. - posted by Bryan

    [4:41 AM] We are seeing a video for the new iMac now. Apple is comparing it to the iPod, the way the music player sits in the Dock. Also, the video says "From the creator of the iPod," showing that Apple is trying to leverage the success of the music player. Jonathan Ive says it is "quiet and utterly serene" in the video. - posted by Bryan

    [4:38 AM] US$1299 - 17" 256 MB RAM, Combo Drive, 80 GB drive, 64 MB video card. This compares to US$1799 for the old starting iMac.

    US$1499 - 17", with 1.8 GHz.

    US$1899 - 20" display (1680 x 1050), 2.2" thick, 1.8 GHz G5, 256 MB RAM, 160 GB drive, SuperDrive, and same 64 MB video card.

    They will begin shipping in mid-September! - posted by Bryan

    [4:37 AM] You can unscrew three screws, and the entire back comes off. The crowd loves it!

    The G5 module, when looking at the back, is on the right side. There are three fans in the unit, and it is "quiet as a whisper." - posted by Bryan

    [4:35 AM] SuperDrive. 1.8 GHz G5. 600 MHz frontside bus. 400 MHz DDR RAM, up to 2 GB. Serial ATA hard drives, AGP 8X graphic slots. The speakers are mounted on the bottom, so they reflect off the desk, up to the user. The keyboard will slide underneath the display when you are not using it.

    There are three 5 USB (3 2.0, 2 1.1), two FireWire, a modem slot, Ethernet (10/100 Base-T), audio-in, audio-out, both headphone and optical), power button on the bottom. - posted by Bryan

    [4:34 AM] "Everyone is ging to be asking "where does the computer go?"

    All of the connectors are on the left side, all in a row. Again, the crowd is going wild. - posted by Bryan

    [4:33 AM] It's white in color, and the crowd is going wild. It has a grey Apple logo on front. Everyhting fits together right behind the display. - posted by Bryan

    [4:32 AM] It looks like just a Cinema Display with a DVD slot loader on right side towards the top. Aluminum foot. It's the world's thinest desktop computer, at less than 2" thick. - posted by Bryan

    [4:31 AM] The iMac G5 demonstration has begun. - posted by Bryan

    [4:31 AM] Apple has sold 7.5 million iMacs, which works out to2.38 per minute over six years. - posted by Bryan

    [4:29 AM] The iChat demo ended with Bertrand Serlet video conferencing in. The crowd loved his brief conversation in French. - posted by Bryan

    [4:20 AM] We're on to iChat now. The last time we saw such a demo, it included lots of people from around the world in Apple's very cool iChat AV update in Tiger. That does, of course, bring to mind the idea that perhaps will see a certain iCEO who is in northern California, and if we do, we might even see some new hardware... - posted by Bryan

    [4:19 AM] Mr. Schiller has moved on to demonstrating the iLife suite. This is the same demo that we have seen before... - posted by Bryan

    [4:09 AM] We've moved on to Dashboard, Apple's implementation of a Widget engine. - posted by Bryan

    [4:05 AM] For those keeping score at home, the US Apple Store is now, and finally, offline. - posted by Bryan

    [4:02 AM] Well, Mr. Schiller went on to a H.264 demo instead of the iMac. Go figure. Interestingly, he specifically did not mention any release dates for this new digital video technology.

    From H.264, we are moving on to a demonstration of Safari RSS. - posted by Bryan

    [3:54 AM] During Mr. Schiller's Spotlight demonstration, he "found" a document on his demo Mac called "New Products Demo." This will, undoubtedly, be the new iMac everyone is waiting to see. :-) - posted by Bryan

    [3:43 AM]
  • pretty close.... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by FaasNat (522755) on Tuesday August 31, 2004 @08:22AM (#10116707)
    The new iMac design is pretty similar to the "spy shots" [macbidouille.com] that popped up on the net a few days back (which itself turned out to be a hoax). I wonder if the person who took those picturew knew how close he actually was......
  • I'm disappointed... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by lonesometrainer (138112) <vanlil@NOSpaM.yahoo.com> on Tuesday August 31, 2004 @08:23AM (#10116721)
    The graphics-card is lame, the bus-speed is lower compared to G5, but overall... the design. It's just plain boring. When was the last time that apple-addicts were bored when a new machine was introduced?

    Yes, Apple, I'm bored. The G4 iMac was a lot more interesting to look at than this machine. And design is what apple-addicts are really looking after.

    Here's some nice examples for great iMac designs: http://www.mackompass.de/ [mackompass.de]

    PLUS: no heating problems here? Picture from iside: http://forum.macnews.de/forum/show?mid=8894.1839.- 5159 [macnews.de]
  • Ports location (Score:4, Interesting)

    by totoanihilation (782326) on Tuesday August 31, 2004 @08:30AM (#10116783)
    Looking at this picture [apple.com], I don't want to imagine what an iMac setup would look like once you get some peripherals plugged in.
    Say you plug in a printer, a scanner, a digital camera dock, and iPod dock, some amplified speakers, your ethernet cable, perhaps the phone cable for faxing, and a firewire hard disk, that thing will have 8 cables just hanging there, on the side of the machine, with no support whatsoever. And since there's nothing below the connectors but thin air, what the user will see is a bunch of cables just hanging from the back of the machine. I'm no design engineering guru, but that wasn't too well thought-out, was it? Notice that all the photos are of the iMac with a bluetooth keyboard and mouse.
    They should've put the connectors on the stand, near the bottom. Or in the middle of the screen, with a cable guide on the stand.

    But as always, I'll wait to see one in person before passing a definitive judgement. I was wronged by the previous iMacs' pictures, this might be no different.
  • side-loading CD/DVD? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by mblase (200735) on Tuesday August 31, 2004 @08:31AM (#10116791)
    I thought the original reason Apple put the CD/DVD drive in the base of the iMac and avoided a design like this was because their engineers said it was better to have the disc spinning while flat. Did they change their mind, or is the hardware just better now that they can mount the CD behind the monitor at an angle like this?
    • by UserChrisCanter4 (464072) on Tuesday August 31, 2004 @08:52AM (#10116990)
      IIRC, interviews with Jobs during the G4 iMac discussed his displeasure with some of the preliminary G4 designs because they looked just like this. He was indicating that he told his design engineers, "I want something new, not a computer attached to the back of a flat panel." (That's not a verbatim quote, btw). Maybe he feels that because they've had that concept out of the market for long enough that this will work, or maybe the old G4-era prototypes were a lot chunkier. Whatever it was, I certainly think it's nicer on the deskspace than the already small G4 model.

      I feel sorta lackluster about this one, though. The tech specs are nice, and I'm glad that it's finally easier to get to the hard drive, but the design just looks too much like the Gateway Profile. I was hoping for something that looked similar to this and priced similarly, but consisted of a slim, 2U sized case that could directly attach to the back of the monitor (and was designed explicitly for that purpose), but could also be purchased stand-alone and used with another monitor. I know, I know, all that junk about cutting into margins and such, but a man can dream, right?

      Re the horizontal drive: I don't remember anyone ever mentioning this, though I suppose it could've been cited. I've seen dozens of workstation-type cases going back at least 8 or 10 years, though, that used vertical mount optical drives, so I doubt that's an issue.
    • by Digital_Quartz (75366) on Tuesday August 31, 2004 @09:28AM (#10117368) Homepage
      I do not think that a man such as Jobs would ever let minor concerns such as sound engineering or the laws of physics get in the way of his vision.
  • by jht (5006) on Tuesday August 31, 2004 @08:33AM (#10116825) Homepage Journal
    I like it a lot, based on initial impression. It also looks to be a lot more user-serviceable than the previous generation (where all you could swap out was the AirPort/Extreme card and the one RAM slot). That's nice.

    I see they kept the PowerMac/iMac performance differential in part by using a 3x multiplier instead of the 2x that the PowerMacs use. That's OK - a 533 or 600 MHz FSB is still zippy.

    The question I have is really about upgrades. Most importantly, can this model finally take an aftermarket internal Bluetooth module? All the previous versions only offer Bluetooth as a BTO option through the Apple Store online (except when it's standard equipment like on the PowerBooks). If you don't buy it at build time, you have to buy a 3rd party USB dongle. With access to the insides, that is now hopefully a thing of the past.

    Will more VRAM be available as a BTO option? Right now, all 3 models ship with 64MB, and in my brief look online there did not appear to be an upgrade option. If the iMac is going to sell at all in the gaming market, there will probably need to be a 128MB option available. I wouldn't count on a better graphics processor, though, anytime soon. Apple likes to underpower the iMacs.

    With this out there, will the eMac see a minor speedbump anytime soon? The two have traditionally had pretty much the same motherboard design - I don't expect a G5 eMac anytime soon, but maybe we'll get a 1.5 GHz G4 at some point now.

    Most importantly, will normal human beings actually be able to buy these in stores anytime this year, or are we going to have to wait for the Tooth Fairy to deliver more G5 chips?
    • by Twirlip of the Mists (615030) <twirlipofthemists@yahoo.com> on Tuesday August 31, 2004 @09:13AM (#10117222)
      I see they kept the PowerMac/iMac performance differential in part by using a 3x multiplier instead of the 2x that the PowerMacs use.

      That was an engineering choice more than a marketing choice, though of course it was dictated by both. The largest single source of heat in a Power Mac G5 is the system controller ASIC. Low-temperature G5-based systems must necessarily eliminate that source of BTU's.

      Most importantly, can this model finally take an aftermarket internal Bluetooth module?

      The internal Bluetooth module is available as a BTO option only.

      Will more VRAM be available as a BTO option?

      No. You'll get more VRAM in 6-8 months when the Rev. B machines are announced, just like always.

      If the iMac is going to sell at all in the gaming market

      The "gaming market?" Surely you jest.

      With this out there, will the eMac see a minor speedbump anytime soon?

      Odds are slim. That's a Motorola issue, not an Apple issue.

      Most importantly, will normal human beings actually be able to buy these in stores anytime this year

      Depends on where you live. If you live near an Apple Store, you'll be able to buy one this week. But you'd better get there fast. ;-)
  • by eyefish (324893) on Tuesday August 31, 2004 @08:34AM (#10116829)
    Well, I'm dissapointed at the design. The previous design with the rounded based and the moving screen was much nicer looking, plus more practical and functional as well.

    With this model I can see the following problems:

    1. You will now see a million wires coming out of the right side of the machine, hanging in mid-air and visible at all times.

    2. All that white space at the bottom of the display makes it look like a waste of space (of course it's probably used for the internal electronics, but geez, couldn't they think of a better design?).

    3. The display now only rotates in one single dimension (either tilts up or down) as opposed to the previous iMac multi-dimensions of fredom).

    4. That base seems awefully inadecuate for so much weight on top of it. Seems like if it is very easy to drop the display sideways if you have a crouded desk and move things around a lot.

    5. This design has been created before by the big guys (IBM and Compaq/HP I think had/have something similar), why not come up with something as cool as the iPod? (it's a shame they say on the website "from the creators of iPod" - if I was one of the iPod designers I'd be shamed...).

    6. And how about a $999 model?
    • by xutopia (469129) on Tuesday August 31, 2004 @08:47AM (#10116946) Homepage
      I won't comment on the rest of your points but point #1 is factually wrong. If you look on the design page [apple.com] you'll see that the wires will hang out in the back, not on the side. Apple thought about that for you. They most likely thought about other things as well for you! :)
    • 1. There's a hole in the rear of the stand through which always-connected cables can be routed. And there's always the option of the Bluetooth module, keyboard, and mouse to remove *those* wires from the equation.

      2. Those who can, do. Those who can't, criticize. Let's see you stuff all those electronics into a smaller space and still provide adequate cooling, Einstein.

      3. The new design allows them to use larger displays than 20", the weight of which the arm on the old iMac would not physically support (this is straight from the mouth of an Apple engineer who was visiting my office a few weeks ago).

      4. The Cinema Displays use the same base, and those are pretty damned stable. How much crap do you have on your desk?

      5. The granddaddy of the thin, LCD-in-front, guts-in-back computer is the 20th Anniversary Mac, [apple-history.com] released in May 1997. Apple is updating their own old design, not copying current designs of competitors.

      6. Yeah, yeah. If they were selling it for $2, there'd be some fool whining "I'd buy it, if it was $1.50!"

      ~Philly
    • by jcostantino (585892) on Tuesday August 31, 2004 @09:11AM (#10117206) Homepage
      1. I'm sure someone will design an "iCable" thingie or whatever for this new unit. Apple does leave some of its accessory design to 3rd party developers.

      2. All that white space at the bottom makes it tie in to the eMac's look. They could have probably just centered the display but it looks better this way.

      3. The display still rotates if you turn the entire unit. That arm was freakishly expensive ($300), would get loose after a while and was a pain in the ass to replace, if necessary. 4. I'm sure that anything will topple over if given enough of a push. Apple has more than likely looked into this and found this to be stable.

      5. Errrr... it's hard to give a URL but if you go to apple.com and refresh enough, you'll see the profile shot of the iMac and iPod together. They look quite the same. Are you referring to the iMac's lack of a b&w LCD screen and scroll wheel?

      6. They call it the eMac. Wait a year and the new iMacs will be refreshed to slightly cheaper/slightly faster.

      1. You will now see a million wires coming out of the right side of the machine, hanging in mid-air and visible at all times.

      2. All that white space at the bottom of the display makes it look like a waste of space (of course it's probably used for the internal electronics, but geez, couldn't they think of a better design?).

      3. The display now only rotates in one single dimension (either tilts up or down) as opposed to the previous iMac multi-dimensions of fredom).

      4. That base seems awefully inadecuate for so much weight on top of it. Seems like if it is very easy to drop the display sideways if you have a crouded desk and move things around a lot.

      5. This design has been created before by the big guys (IBM and Compaq/HP I think had/have something similar), why not come up with something as cool as the iPod? (it's a shame they say on the website "from the creators of iPod" - if I was one of the iPod designers I'd be shamed...).

      6. And how about a $999 model?

  • by iamdrscience (541136) <(moc.liamg) (ta) (ppirtmleahcim)> on Tuesday August 31, 2004 @08:36AM (#10116842) Homepage
    What? You can open it up? And upgrade the RAM? And the hard drive too? This isn't an iMac at all!
  • by hauer (569977) on Tuesday August 31, 2004 @08:39AM (#10116870)
    I grew up with a Commodore64 where the keyboard was holding everything. Now it is in the monitor. I am wondering who comes up with an in-mouse architecture.
  • by dev32810 (748540) on Tuesday August 31, 2004 @09:05AM (#10117122)
    looks a little less today compared with its 'little brother' (the iMac 20")

    20" Cinema Display : $1299
    20" G5 IMac : $1899

    That's a lot of extra gear for $600.00, isn't it? So, is the iMac a great deal or the Cinema Display now less of one?

    And to think I was thiiiis close to picking up a Cinema 20" for my Powerbook...
  • Powerbook G5 soon? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by kalleh (678159) on Tuesday August 31, 2004 @09:23AM (#10117320)
    If they can fit a G5 inside that box we should be seeing powerbook G5's soon. The heat issue with the G5 seems to be solved.
  • by theManInTheYellowHat (451261) on Tuesday August 31, 2004 @10:30AM (#10117976)
    Whatever anybody says about the price one thing is for sure. There is no PC on the planet that will hold its value better than a Mac.

    Take a look at a 1 year old Dell or IBM anything even servers and then take a look at a 1 year old Mac. The PC will be at least 50% less and the Mac will have dropped about $100.

    After a year the PC becomes worthless and the Mac still has a good value. 2 yr old iMacs are still worth quite a bit of their original price, especially if they have the SuperDrive. How much is a 2 year old Dell worth?

    When ever a person asks about buying a PC vs. a Mac that is the first thing I try to explane to them.
  • by multiplexo (27356) * on Tuesday August 31, 2004 @01:14PM (#10120041) Journal
    Putting a DVI input on the system that would allow you to use this as a standard monitor for an external computer. Now, this might sound insane, but think about it. You have a PC that you still have to use for some tasks, or a PC laptop. You plug your PC into the iMac DVI input and can switch over to the display for it, you've just made it easier for people to transition between Macs and PCs. Sure, you can use Microsoft's Remote Desktop Connection for this sort of thing, but not if you're doing anything graphics intensive on the PC. Given the pricing Apple is putting on these systems you could sell the system with the 20 inch monitor as a 20 inch 16:9 monitor for PCs that also runs Macintosh software. OK, I'll go take my medication now.

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