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Intel Ranks Colleges with Best Wireless Access 526

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newdamage writes "Intel recently released it's ranking of The Most Unwired College Campuses and I was happy to see my school, Purdue, up there at #2. I can personally attest that my laptop w/ wireless card can be used over almost all of the main campus, and there's always a few people in lecture using laptops to access notes and take extra notes. Granted all I've found is that internet access in class just gives me a better way to not pay attention. What are other peoples' experiences with wireless access on their campus? Is there widespread coverage, and if so, does it help you get more school related work done by having your laptop connected where ever you are on campus?"
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Intel Ranks Colleges with Best Wireless Access

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  • .. if there's an Animal House reference to be made here, I can't think of it. Curses.
  • MIT = 26? (Score:5, Funny)

    by matth (22742) on Thursday April 15, 2004 @09:30PM (#8877167) Homepage
    Wonderful what kind of technology they are teaching there? Obviously not wireless computers :P
  • negative wording (Score:5, Insightful)

    by qedigital (545151) on Thursday April 15, 2004 @09:31PM (#8877172) Homepage
    The most UNWIRED? The wording almost makes that sound like a bad thing. Intel should have gone with CowboyNeal's headline.
    • by FrYGuY101 (770432) on Thursday April 15, 2004 @09:33PM (#8877194) Journal
      But that would go against Intel's current Centrino marketing! GOD FORBID, you HEATHEN!

      *blink* Oh, sorry. Marketing demons possessed me for a second.
    • My fiancee just read a newspaper article about this, and the article made it sound like it was a bad thing. Almost like the 'journalist' didn't read the actual report or understand the whole wireless concept.
    • by Jad LaFields (607990) on Thursday April 15, 2004 @10:24PM (#8877516)
      Agreed. At first I thought I had clicked on the wrong link and was looking at the the most "unwireless" schools (as in, worst wireless coverage).

      Then when I reread the word, I had images of people ripping the wires out of student's walls and laughing. "Can't download music anymore now, PUNK!"

      Really, wireless sounds so much better than unwired, as we've been hearing for so long that being "wired" is great (as in "connected"), but "wires" (as in "the cables you trip over") are bad. Silly Intel.
    • Re:negative wording (Score:5, Interesting)

      by OldSchoolNapster (744443) <[oldschoolnapster] [at] [hotmail.com]> on Thursday April 15, 2004 @10:35PM (#8877576)
      Unwired is a bad thing. At UTDallas we have wireless in almost every school building and in every on-campus apartment. We DON'T have ethernet in the apartments. We are a tech school, and you can just imagine what it's like [collegepublisher.com] when hundreds of tech students try to use the wireless network at the same time. I want wires! I can't even imagine why at least the new apartments don't have ethernet. Maybe it's a conspiracy to cut down on filesharing by making it nearly impossible to even access the internet.

      I don't want to theorize on why we didn't make the list, but my guess is it's cuz we didn't use Intel. Eat me Intel. AMD for life!
    • I think the headline was supposed to be catchy and a little humorous. That's why they put the term in quotes. C'mon now, you appreciate a little bit of informality from companies, don't you?
  • by Spatula Sam (770957) * on Thursday April 15, 2004 @09:31PM (#8877174)
    is that now they can choose schools based on those that are willing to offer them their porn how they want it, where they want it. And they want it.
  • Also of interest (Score:5, Informative)

    by Bobdoer (727516) on Thursday April 15, 2004 @09:32PM (#8877178) Homepage Journal
    Are the Most Unwired Airports [intel.com] and Most Unwired Cities [intel.com] lists.
    Also, do these lists just count wireless access points that Centrino supports? It almost sounds like some sort of propaganda...
    • No. My school (Indiana University, numbero uno) uses mostly Cisco APs; I'm not aware of any Intel products at all, truth be told.
    • and we use exclusively Cisco and 3 Com gear.

      I'm kinda surprised that we don't have a higher rating, since almost all the main areas of campus are covered, as well as roughly half the undergraduate dorms. It makes me wonder how they're doing their calculations. If it's total coverage / campus size or something silly like that then I could understand 68th (since we have a 8000+ acre campus) -- if they're using some sensible measure ... then I'm confused since our wireless network is really quite good.

      (and y
    • Re:Also of interest (Score:5, Interesting)

      by Fallen Kell (165468) on Thursday April 15, 2004 @10:29PM (#8877547)
      I agree that is an interesting point. Especially since Drexel University is only ranked 22nd and it was the 1st college to have a campus wide wireless network in the nation... You can walk from the dorms to class with your laptop on and continuously connected and that was 4 years ago.
      • Re:Also of interest (Score:3, Informative)

        by Masami Eiri (617825)
        Oh man, I'm stifling laughter so much right now... I'm surprised it even ranked 22... I was expecting to see it, but maybe in the 30s or 40s...

        Have you tried to use Dragonfly (Drexel's wireless network)? Coverage is spotty as hell. Maybe if you're outside you can keep a stable connection, but I know I don't walk with my laptop out... get run over by one of those damn landscaping trucks driving through the quad.
        I had 1 lecture where I could access the network, and that was in the CS building. My dorm I c
  • 2 from Indiana? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by archer411 (713916) on Thursday April 15, 2004 @09:32PM (#8877179)
    Funny, I never would have thought Indiana would have the top two spots.
    • Re:2 from Indiana? (Score:2, Informative)

      by Anonymous Coward
      Boy, you better learn yourself some comp sci history. Perhaps you've heard of this guy here [indiana.edu].
    • Re:2 from Indiana? (Score:4, Interesting)

      by Jugomugo (219955) <jugomugo@h[ ]ail.com ['otm' in gap]> on Thursday April 15, 2004 @10:39PM (#8877595)
      Indiana has more tech than a lot of people realize.

      The Internet2/Abilene NOC is located in Indianapolis at IUPUI.
      • Re:2 from Indiana? (Score:3, Informative)

        by cdrudge (68377)
        Indiana has tech. We have some excellent schools for teaching tech. As soon as a resident gets their degree, almost all immediately jump ship to another state for a job. What Indiana doesn't have is tech jobs. Year old article here [indystar.com]
    • Re:2 from Indiana? (Score:5, Interesting)

      by sean.geek.nz (735084) on Thursday April 15, 2004 @11:13PM (#8877794)
      I.U. Bloomington was so keen on providing good network access that the head of campus computing there (McRobbie) was personally sued by Metallica at the height of the Napster fuss back in 2000.

      His problem was that they'd figured out that Napster's inefficient P2P was jamming up their network, so in self-defence the IUB network guys advised Napster on how to be a bit more efficient (and download yr song from the frat boy in the next room, instead of from some geek in Japan). Good technical move, bit of a legal problem.
  • by jm92956n (758515) on Thursday April 15, 2004 @09:32PM (#8877181) Journal
    Sure, we're number 97, but at least we made the list. Take that number 98!
  • by exp(pi*sqrt(163)) (613870) on Thursday April 15, 2004 @09:32PM (#8877183) Journal
    and there's always a few people in lecture using laptops to access notes and take extra notes.
    Er...um...that's a little naive isn't it!
  • What's next (Score:5, Funny)

    by mst76 (629405) on Thursday April 15, 2004 @09:32PM (#8877184)
    Microsoft ranks colleges with Best Windows/Office/Visual Studio education?
  • IU and Purdue are numbers one and two, so how come the wireless access at IUPUI (combined IU and Purdue campus in downtown Indianapolis) sucks?

    That hardly seems fair. . .
  • by zaphod8829 (754076) on Thursday April 15, 2004 @09:34PM (#8877205) Homepage
    Number 50 on the list is University if Missouri-Columbus.

    I've lived in misery (ahem: Missouri) all my life, and don't know of this college, though I do attend the University of Missouri-Columbia.

    (Well, I pay them, anyway. I rarely _attend_.)

    I'm not exactly loyal, but damnit, I want my crappy college spelled right!
    • I noticed this as well. I reported it to them via their Contact Us link. But the really weird thing is if you Google for it [google.com] you get a good number of results. And Intel's site isn't the only one!

      Check out this page [uark.edu]. There's a professor who apparently went to this university! And here's another professor [apa.org].

      Finally I consulted the umsystem [umsystem.edu] web site it's self and proved me correct. But it's really odd that there's so many people refering to it as Columbus. I lived there for apx. 2 years (and went to coll
  • by Apiakun (589521) <tikora AT gmail DOT com> on Thursday April 15, 2004 @09:36PM (#8877219)
    I don't usually bring my laptop into class, as I find it too distracting, as the submitter of the story mentioned. I found that trying to write notes and any of my own key words to accompany the information were crucial to triggering memories when it came time to remember the information later on. The few times I brought in my laptop, I always ended up doing something else and felt I'd missed some important piece of information during the lecture. Unfortunately I type faster than I can write, so I guess there's a tradeoff.
    • I was afraid I would succumb to the same temptations, so I keep myself in terminal mode (out of X) while in class. I take my notes in nano. If we had wireless access, I think I'd pop into a special school desktop with office products and mozilla firebird at easy access, so I could do a little research during class and back up notes with anecdotal urls.
  • by FooAtWFU (699187) on Thursday April 15, 2004 @09:36PM (#8877226) Homepage
    At Wake Forest University, rated the #2 Most Wired campus by the Princeton review, the campus-wide wireless network rollout is over the summer. And since half the students' laptops were found to have a defective component which IBM later recalled (and is replacing, starting three days ago and ending in a week) they're installing wireless cards as the machines are repaired.

    Since I have housing in the Technology Quarters, I had some experience with the wireless network which was installed here early, but it was only with a PDA and not a full laptop. My room had poor reception, and I couldn't get a signal in any interesting places (like outside on the sun roof or patio). I'm hoping that next year when there's more access points up my new dorm will have better reception, particularly in the nice courtyard area.

    Oh, and the network looks unencrypted so far. Which means I'll be checking my email with Pine over ssh. =b

  • lucky punks (Score:5, Funny)

    by joe_bruin (266648) on Thursday April 15, 2004 @09:37PM (#8877227) Homepage Journal
    you kids these days have it all.

    back in my day, if you wanted to download porn, you had to wait until your roommate left for class, and then search for it on usenet. and if you got a single download that wasn't corrupt, you'd consider yourself lucky! nowadays with bittorrent and kazaa, life is so easy. if i had wireless access campus-wide, i might have spent alot more time in the classroom (my apartment had the four of us on a single dialup connection).
    • a single download that wasn't corrupt

      Isn't downloading porn intrinsically corrupt? ;-)
    • Well, then color me anachronistic! For me, Usenet almost always offers much greater speed and reliability than any p2p network--especially for my precious, precious pornography. I throw a fit like a dandy boy if I have to condescend to using the p2p networks of the proletariat.
  • by feronti (413011) <gsymons@gsconsul ... .biz minus berry> on Thursday April 15, 2004 @09:37PM (#8877230)
    But my partners in several group projects do, and they have come in handy many times when brainstorming to quickly assess the feasibility of our ideas right there. Granted, it could also be done in one of the public labs, but it is far more convenient to be able to work anywhere on campus. Plus, you don't have to deal with all the dirty looks from the people in the labs who are trying to concentrate. After just two semesters, I'm convinced, for the first time, that I could put a laptop to good use _as_ a laptop. Unfortunately, that doesn't make me able to afford one:)
  • by thdexter (239625) <dexter.suffusions@net> on Thursday April 15, 2004 @09:38PM (#8877235) Journal
    My institute, the University of Idaho [uidaho.edu], made #33, but there's only wireless access in the Commons (like the student union, except more full of offices), the library, and the Administration buildings. Though to be fair there's a bunch of classes in the Admin. The cooler part is that there's IBM laptops available for checkout that are all wireless internet-enabled at both the library and the commons, available in two-hour blocks, with wireless printer access too--makes it easy to get a burger and print off the chemistry pre-lab before you have to go do it, heh.
    • Actually, at the U of I, almost every building on campus has Wireless Access Points. The only buildings that don't have WAPs are the dorms, because there are 11293840982734 jacks in the building anyways.

      If U of I is only #33, I'd really like to see how good these other schools are. There is nothing like taking your laptop out on the lawn, and check your email and stuff.
  • Good/Bad (Score:2, Interesting)

    by shadowkoder (707230)
    I find in the classroom, internet access is more-so a distracting thing than a good thing, though not always. However, where it REALLY shines is outdoors and in the cafe type areas (Java Walley's at my school, RIT, comes to mind) where you can socialize, gather a group around, or whatever. In fact, I'm thinking of getting a el cheapo work laptop for this purpose. Getting out of the dorm room and away from instant access to the newest FPS can do a world of good. Overall, yay for wireless!
  • by Richard Mills (17522) on Thursday April 15, 2004 @09:44PM (#8877280)
    I'm a bit puzzled as where they came up with these numbers. I'm a grad student at William & Mary, which they placed in the top 50, and I find that wireless coverage is pretty spotty here. Meanwhile, at my undergrad alma mater U. Tenn, Knoxville, wireless access even covers a bunch of the *agriculture* campus, yet it doesn't make the list at all.

    No surprise -- makers of lists like these don't usually attempt to apply any scientific methodology.
  • Good of bad? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Standmic (769361) on Thursday April 15, 2004 @09:46PM (#8877294) Homepage
    My school (Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute) requires all undergraduates to have a laptop computer, supposedly for use in the classroom. After almost 4 years of this, I'm divided as to whether it is a benefit or just a distraction in class/waste of money (as opposed to buying a desktop)

    I have found that in class, all a laptop does is distract the students. Sure, we're supposed to follow along with the notes on our screens, but the prof can't see them. 90% of the time, everyone is surfing the web, talking on IM, checking their email, playing CS, basically everything but paying attention.

    Further, most classes don't even require/use a laptop (it's pretty tough to take linear algebra notes on a computer). I estimate that maybe only 20% of classes or less use laptops actually IN class.

    Most of the time when your laptop is required for class, it is just a pain to drag it to class, set it up, not use it for anything but to click through powerpoint slides. However, for the few professors who actually design the class with the use of the student's laptops in mind, it can be a great learning tool. It's nice doing in-class activities where you collect data and display it on your computer changing parameters to see the effect; or running simulations were you get to mess with the settings/initial conditions.

    On the whole, I wished I could have saved a grand or so and purchased a desktop that could do the same as my laptop (after all, it spends all but 4 hours a week just sitting on my desk). For the, mmm, maybe 2 classes that the professor has actually incorperated the use of laptop into his lecture (same professor for both classes), it was a very powerful tool. Unfortunately, professors who know how to lecture well, especially incorperating a personal computer, are few and far between. An Unwired (or Wired) classroom can either be a great benefit, or a waste of time.

    • it's pretty tough to take linear algebra notes on a computer

      Tried LaTeX? If you mean the same thing by "linear algebra" as I do (vectors, vector spaces, linear maps, matrices) it shouldn't be too bad if your course is mostly abstract - abstract algebra with just Latin+Greek letters, superscripts and subscripts is trivial to do in LaTeX, although writing out vectors and matrices explicitly *is* a bit of a hassle. A vector:

      \[
      v = \left(\begin{array}{c}
      1 \\
      2 \\
      3
      \end{array}\right)
      \]

      A matrix:

      \[
      M = \left(\beg
    • Through four years of undergrad (in EE and Math, Marquette) and eight years of grad school (EE, Stanford), I never took lecture notes. Not one. Ever. Used to drive some lecturers nuts at first, but then they realized that I was actively listening to them, and one of the few asking questions.

      Note taking is an evil distraction, that misleads you into the belief that you're actually getting something out of the lecture, while all you're really doing is taking dictation and not thinking about the bits pas

  • I find wireless access to be overrated. I have seldom used it at my college, preferring to use the equally-ubiguous ethernet jacks which are everywhere and even though they are only 10mbit, are faster becuase of signal issues. We have several Access points, at the dining hall and library, and a special wireless link that transmits the internet to our trainish ship, a good quarter mile away.

    In a slightly offtopic topic, Wireless access points work surprisingly well on steel ships. The thick hull seems

  • Purdue's wi-fi (Score:2, Informative)

    by dodongo (412749)
    Yeah, I have to say, Purdue's WiFi, affectionately known as AirLink [purdue.edu], is pretty cool beans. It was my motivation for purchasing a cheap laptop and putting off upgrading the desktop another year or so.

    As long as I shut the damn thing off when I'm in class, it isn't too distracting. It's so fantastic to be able to get a burrito or whatever in the Union, sit, catch up on email, do research (with the purdue.edu IPs it's easy to get into the library's [purdue.edu] online journals and stuff), listen to Air America Radio's [airamericaradio.com] s
  • The business school has had it far longer than any other portion of the main campus. The engineering campus has a decent rollout, but there are many areas where access isn't good.

    I take all of my notes on my laptop, and I find it is better for test preparation than paper notes for me. In rooms where I've had network access I don't find it a distraction, but often I'll leave the network card out just to save power. Haven't been doing that recently since I my laptop supports two batteries at once and I
  • Oh Yeah? Let's see you're college/university do this. [slashdot.org]
  • by CatGrep (707480) on Thursday April 15, 2004 @09:58PM (#8877362)
    Oddly enough, even though Intel is into promoting WiFi, they don't seem to want to encourage WiFi on their own campuses as much as they might.

    I've heard that at Intel your manager has to get you permission to use WiFi and your department must pay some sort of ongoing fees to some other group for the priviledge.

  • I'm a 2nd-year at The University of Guelph-Humber in Toronto, Ontario (Canada, eh?). I just helped the IT team here put up and configure our network. It's a small school, ~1600 students next September, 10Mbit ISP pipe distributed among 16 cisco access points on a 4-floor building. Currently running dual 802.11B/G with an incredibly strong signal in all corners of the building.
  • by Entropius (188861) on Thursday April 15, 2004 @10:01PM (#8877381)
    I attend the University of Alabama in Huntsville, which has an atrocious track record on networking issues.

    Our Network Services department, despite repeated requests from faculty and students, has not set up any sort of wireless coverage anywhere on campus. They also prohibit faculty and students from setting up their own wireless equipment, whether or not it is connected to their network. I am not permitted to put a wireless NIC in my desktop and have it talk to my laptop, even if neither machine is on the campus network.

    (I figure that since I'm allowed to use a cordless telephone operating in the 2.4GHz band, Network Services has no right to dictate what other signals I generate in that band.)

    Any Slashdotters who are pondering attending this university should think carefully about whether they are willing to accept the complete lack of wireless and consistent 15-25% packet loss on the dormitory connections. (People use dialup because it's more reliable.)

    In contrast, a friend of mine in Washington University Law School frequently IM's me from class lamenting how boring class is. (How someone can be bored with a computer (with 3d card) and network access in front of them is left as an exercise to the reader.)
  • Here were I study [iu-bremen.de] in Germany we've got hotspots in almost every classroom and pretty much everybody has a laptop. This is because of the payment facilities given by the Uni (granted, they get sucky models and prices are not so cheap, but I won't get into this or I'll never end this post). Unfortunately few people really use their laptop in class for taking notes. Almost everybody else is using IM/surfing the net/watching movies (!!) during class. Regardless, using your laptop during a boring lecture is m

  • Pointless (Score:5, Informative)

    by clinko (232501) on Thursday April 15, 2004 @10:06PM (#8877413) Homepage Journal
    This is pointless, #29 is LSU, where I went. I setup the wireless there. Yes, I, 1 person. It was 2 airports in the library.
  • by Domino (12558) on Thursday April 15, 2004 @10:14PM (#8877460) Homepage
    I really don't see how you could improve Carnegie Mellon's wireless network. I have never been anywhere on campus where I couldn't get a strong signal. There are even power outlets everywhere - even outside - for the "weak-batteried". Bringing your laptop to class is as normal as bringing a pencil. Check out CMUSky [cmu.edu], it gives great statistics about Andrew in real-time.
  • by siliconwafer (446697) on Thursday April 15, 2004 @10:14PM (#8877461)
    I've found, as a student at Rochester Institute of Technology, having a wireless campus has allows me to more easily waste my idle time surfing the web, chatting on IRC or AIM, etc., instead of browsing through class notes, or doing homework with a pencil and paper. A perfect example of this is our Crossroads Cafeteria. It's so easy for me to surf the web while eating lunch as a result of wired access, when I should be reviewing notes or spending my time otherwise. Perhaps it's self-discipline and not the wireless access that's the problem, but I've really found nothing good about it.
  • Not very accurate (Score:5, Informative)

    by Belgand (14099) <belgandNO@SPAMplanetfortress.com> on Thursday April 15, 2004 @10:17PM (#8877475) Homepage
    I got to Kansas State (#47 on the list incidentally) and the only reason I looked at the site was to see if my school even made it and if so, question the integrity of the list.

    K-State technically has wireless in some buildings, but not many. Yes, the library and union have wireless as do a few others, but that's where it ends. The biology and physics buildings both lack it entirely, as does the main building for the college of arts and sciences and only a large lecture hall in one of the main engineering buildings is listed as having it. Since it was installed I might have taken one or two courses that would have made it available to me. I don't have a wireless laptop myself (although my girlfriend does and I've been interested in how good the coverage is), but I doubt you'd be able to get online from anywhere outside on campus at all.

    Essentially this is something they did about 2 years ago and then more or less have ignored ever since. The website for it lists that more locations will be coming, but in that time none ever have. IT out here is a joke though. Bandwidth in the dorms was so bad (i.e. >2k/sec) a few years back that almost every single student living in them had to sign a petition about it before we barely got some degree of improvement (up to maybe 10-20k/sec). The IT staff is frequently unreachable having locked themselves off in the library basement and rarely if ever respond to e-mail.

    The presence of K-State on that list seems to indicate that the list compilers merely looked over webpages and cataloged the number of areas listed without any regard for the actual coverage provided.
    • Well, it could be that the coverage is just not that great anywhere, or it falls off fairly rapidly. My school (ASU #49) has coverage about equal to what you are saying.
    • Re:Not very accurate (Score:3, Interesting)

      by pimpinmonk (238443)
      I agree that it's not very accurate. I was surprised to not see my school (Columbia University). We have wireless _EVERYWHERE_ except the rooms residence halls (it is in most lounges I believe). I mean, we have it in our entire quad, 802.11g in the library, the student center, and at least 802.11b in almost every main campus building.

      I think part of the discrepancy may be the shear size and layout of our campus--we are spread across many blocks of Manhattan where it's hard to get "full coverage" comp
    • Re:Not very accurate (Score:3, Informative)

      by xenocide2 (231786)
      Actually the coverage is pretty good at KSU. Nichols of course has it, and the engineering complex is laced with points. Of course, I find it ludicrous that anyone would actually.

      Also, I don't remember signing a petition, but I do remember how on campus students were nearly monopolizing the internet pipe, such that the line was plateauing from 8 am to 8 pm. Since the implementation of p2p filtration this issue has largely vacated, and downloading from ocremix or debian updates typically move at 300 kpbs.

      T
  • Campuses are usually large plots of lands. It's commendable that universities are providing wireless networks at all!

    To add to the accomplishment, many buildings are older and made of cinder block (at least around where I live - College Park MD). 802.11 through concrete and/or cinder blocks is like trying to drive a Zamboni through a bog. The fact that any wireless penetrates buildings and reaches students in class is quite amazing imo.

  • Columbia has great wireless access. Campus is small, so it's easier, but I'm hooked up basically everywhere on campus. Of course, once I cross the street I'm high and dry, and the law school uses MAC filtering. Ah well.
  • Look at the title in the browser window for the UNWIRED list:

    Intel(r) Products: MMost Unwired College Campuses Survey
  • Interesting (Score:4, Interesting)

    by falcon5768 (629591) <Falcon5768 AT comcast DOT net> on Thursday April 15, 2004 @10:29PM (#8877546) Journal
    I go to Montclair, the second largest University in NJ behind Rutgers, and our entire campus iis wireless and yet not even a 100th place.... Infact about half of NJ's schools are entirely wireless and only Cheaton Hall, a freaking private school, got a placement. something tells me this is a fix.
  • Providing decent wireless access to a university with a student body of 7,000 is considerably less challenging than accomodating 20,000+ students, staff, and faculty. I wonder if this was taken into consideration, since Intel's description only seems concerned with signal saturation.

    Several of the schools on the list have comparitively small campuses; I noticed that neither of the two biggest universities in the US--Michigan State U. and Ohio State U.--made the list. If MSU, for example, offered sufficie
  • Wireless Security (Score:2, Informative)

    by ttyp0 (33384)
    Indiana University may be ranked #1, it must be said that Purdue (#2) has secured their wireless. Last I checked IU uses WEP. Purdue uses a VPN-secured connection where all of the wireless traffic is encrypted using 168-bit 3DES, as compared to the 128-bit or even 40-bit encryption offered by WEP.
  • How many more buildings than every bilding on campus [uidaho.edu] need to have wireless access to score better than 33rd? I sense bias in the report.
  • by BobLenon (67838) on Thursday April 15, 2004 @10:48PM (#8877652) Homepage
    Hey! RIT made it (98) ... what are they thinking? I can barely access WIFI when sitting in the far side of a classroom (ie by exterior wall). This is in the BRAND NEW College of computing. BAH! RIT - welcome to the world of not really understanding technology :) (At least faculty/staff - ask _ANY_ student!)

    -dave
  • Meaningless (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward
    This ranking really doesn't mean too much. It's judging based on quantity (of hotspots, students, etc.), not quality. I'm attending one of the schools in the top 5 and, let me tell you, I'd probably get better wireless access wardriving around than I do sitting in the middle of campus. Sure there may be a lot of base stations, but there aren't *enough* to cover the campus (there are plenty of unlucky people whose dorm rooms get only 5% signal strength at any given time). What APs there are, are often do
  • Ok, I went to Purdue. As a result, I know how much money and equipment Intel donates to Purdue. It would be interesting to see the correlation between this list and their donation list. I bet they match up very nicely. Microsoft pays their case studies, Intel probably isn't very different.
  • Number 100. It would have been pretty embarassing if Georgia TECH hand't made the list. I thought our wifi was pretty good actually.
  • I'm a little surprised that the university I attend, Grand Valley State University [gvsu.edu], didn't make the list. About 95% of our non-housing buildings have APs, along with several student housing centers. (Residents aren't allowed to set up their own APs, however, as this is a security risk.) Computer-to-student ratio is good, and we have about 16,000 undergraduates.

    However, we have an 18-hole golf course and plenty of outdoor athletics facilities, so that's a lot of on-campus space that isn't covered. I ima
  • by qweqazfoo (765286) on Thursday April 15, 2004 @11:31PM (#8877927)
    I work at UT. The wireless network their is a joke.

    All the machines are on public IPs and there is no sort of virus scanning or update requirements at all. We accidentally put a fresh Windows install on the wireless network and got hit with a worm in 30 seconds. The network nazis, under orders of our joke of a security office, often filter DHCP addresses because of viruses, which is great until you accidentally get the lease for a filtered address.

    UT just finally figured out that maybe they should offer SSL POP and IMAP on the central mailserver after having kids on unencrypted wireless for 3 years. VPNs are just now being looked at.

    The worst thing about wireless at UT is it's so inconsistent. There aren't nearly enough APs in highly populated areas, meaning you get dialup speeds are not uncommon. There are dead spots everywhere because of poor AP placement.

    We were doing a voice over wireless IP pilot, and it was impossible. Each building is on it's own VLAN and they don't route to each other. Some wireless systems are maintained by departments and you can't even log into them. We could communicate in our building, but the building across the street was blind. Even getting the phones to work, with UTs homebrewed authentication system, was a beast.

  • by kiwioddBall (646813) on Friday April 16, 2004 @12:21AM (#8878141) Homepage
    Meanwhile, the rest of the world still uses tins and strings/smoke signals to communicate (apparently).
  • Caltech (Score:3, Interesting)

    by kf6auf (719514) on Friday April 16, 2004 @12:28AM (#8878166)

    So the problem with surveys is that they require people's time to respond. For example, when I was a frosh the Princeton Review or someone conducted an online survery and one of the questions was about workload/free time. Now, if you think about it there are likely to be some freaking brilliant people that will say that they have plenty of free time and the work load isn't hard. Meanwhile, the other 99% of us aren't bored enough to fill out the survery. As a result we were ranked really low on the workload that year. And believe me, this week was the first week I've ever had an easy problem set (it took only 3 hours).

    So back to the topic, where is my school? We have wireless in most of the lecture halls and some of the newer classrooms. It's not great but its good for simple browsing/IM/e-mail. From the way that you describe the wirelesss there, I would think that Caltech should be higher than "not on the list." There is none as of yet in the houses (not frats, campus owned dorms, but cooler) but that is because they are old Faraday cages that are going to be rebuilt so current wireless is student owned access points. So why the institute doesn't provide them, I can walk from one side of my house to the other and have access the whole time, switching from AP to AP.

    In other words, the wireless access here is good in my opinion and surveys are pretty crappy means of advertising.

    -Scott

  • I'm not proud but... (Score:4, Informative)

    by The Ape With No Name (213531) on Friday April 16, 2004 @12:30AM (#8878171) Homepage
    This is bullshit. UTK [utk.edu] has 130 buildings covered and is converting to full 802.11(bag) coverage in the summer, with a outdoor network to come real soon now. 1310 access points with over 8500 unique users. Hell, even the friggin Creamery on the Ag Campus has 4 APs. Bossy is fraggin' as I type. I imagine that all of the schools listed have bought some Intel product to qualify. We don't use their stuff so....
  • by Flamesplash (469287) on Friday April 16, 2004 @01:50AM (#8878553) Homepage Journal
    I go to gaTech currently which is #100 on that list which I guess is alright. We have a number of buildings wired, all of which are where my classes are, including some of the reasearch buildings the bookstore the starbucks in the bookstore, and more of the eateries that are near the above mentioned research building.

    What I tend to use wireless for in class is runing experiments for class projects where I can communicate with other group members during class via AIM, additionally in another class I use it to do the individual projects, the use of the wireless here is that I run CVS on my desktop computer, and need access to it when I'm in class. It's a nice little system. As for my other class I usually just do work for the two previous classes in it and not really pay attention
  • ... and I asked him about this very same topic. Funny, because he said "Have you seen the Intel article about the most wired college campuses?" Of course, I hadn't at the time and forgot to look it up. Then, bam, on Slashdot two days later.

    I asked him to compare our setup and implementation to our peer universitites and he basically said that we were right at the top. We've had full coverage on campus for three semesters (counting back including this one). Before that they rolled it out over three semesters. So, it's been on campus for about 3 yrs now. Kinda cool.

    When ITAP (the IT services dept) decided to do it, they actually rolled together three other independant implementations from the School of Mgmt and a couple of other places. In addition to full campus coverage, now we even have wireless access at our footbal stadium (with a ton of money donated by Cisco and other companies) that can be used to access stats, etc. during the game - mostly from PDAs.

    Funniest part of the story from the VP of IT was that when he told us that IU was number 1 on the list. Apparently, after Purdue had rolled out wireless across the campus (or was partly through implementation), IU called and asked how they did it and copied the setup. He said that they beat us on 'green space'. IU's physical campus is spread out over a larger area than Purdue's. IU covered the green space and nudged us out.

  • Airports? (Score:3, Informative)

    by hwestiii (11787) on Friday April 16, 2004 @07:39AM (#8879593) Homepage
    I'd like to know on what basis they state that the airports are unwired.

    I travel in and out of O'Hare regularly, and I'm not aware of any wireless service available to the unwashed. Perhaps wireless is available in the airline club lounges, but that hardly counts as "airport" access.

    By contrast, I was in KC Mo last month, a much smaller airport than O'Hare, though with a very cool design in my opinion, and their wireless access was both publicly available, and clearly announced on their PA screens.

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