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Flexible Computers in the Future? 229

An anonymous reader writes "New Scientist is reporting on Sony bendable input devices. When computers become too small to be operated by buttons, how will we control them? The only option will be to gently bend them, according to engineers at Sony's Interaction Lab in Tokyo." The diagrams make it look like a warped Game Boy. Looks pretty cool, though.
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Flexible Computers in the Future?

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  • They've got this really bizarre idea over there, but they don't seem to have a realistic idea of how it would work in real life devices.

    Does anyone have any ideas?
  • possibilities.... (Score:3, Insightful)

    by ksp0704 ( 242246 ) on Friday June 20, 2003 @02:32AM (#6251325)
    what happens if you leave it in your pocket and sit on it and bend it? then where will you end up?

    FP!
  • or if cell phones can guess what I'm saying as I thumb-type words, why do I need to bend the phone?
  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 20, 2003 @02:39AM (#6251369)
    I'm not asking about toy applications like a map. I want to know what you think this could be used for. You, Helix400, what do you think it would be useful for?
  • by IICV ( 652597 ) on Friday June 20, 2003 @02:39AM (#6251372)
    If you take a normal piece of paper and bend it back and forth a few times, you'll find that it starts "remembering" where you bent it.

    Yes, I know they're small piezoelectric particles to generate voltage when compressed, but those can't last forever. The material of the card might start developing a memory if you bend it too much.

    However, this will be kickass if they can make them cheap enough. Imagine: walk up to a vending machine in an airport, buy a little credit-card sized game to occupy you during the flight, and throw it away when the battery runs out. Or have a book on the card - a novel and text output probably won't take up that much memory.

  • Erm (Score:5, Insightful)

    by G-funk ( 22712 ) <josh@gfunk007.com> on Friday June 20, 2003 @02:46AM (#6251405) Homepage Journal
    When computers become too small to be operated by buttons, how will we control them?

    Here's a thought... when they get that small, small is no longer the issue... spend some time on improving battery life / screen resolution / feature X.
  • by achurch ( 201270 ) on Friday June 20, 2003 @02:55AM (#6251433) Homepage

    Imagine: walk up to a vending machine in an airport, buy a little credit-card sized game to occupy you during the flight, and throw it away when the battery runs out.

    And designing things to be thrown away is good practice?

  • by achurch ( 201270 ) on Friday June 20, 2003 @02:57AM (#6251444) Homepage

    Nobody considered simple voice recognition?

    No, they finally realized it would be really, really stupid (and noisy) to have everyone talking to their PDAs.

  • by sould ( 301844 ) on Friday June 20, 2003 @03:11AM (#6251486) Homepage
    No, they finally realized it would be really, really stupid (and noisy) to have everyone talking to their PDAs.


    Or maybe they realised that the current crop of PDAs don't have enough grunt to do Voice recognition.


    You never heard of a throat mic/earphones?

  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 20, 2003 @03:28AM (#6251536)
    It takes no time at all to learn to use the right mouse button, and the expressive power is very convenient for non-trivial apps. It saves mouse motion. We COULD learn to type on two keys with morse code, and would even feel that we had quicker mastery, but even if we got good at it it would be a lot of wasted motion and just plain slower than normal typing for anyone who went ahead and learned to type.

    Two buttons work great on the windows platform as do 104 keys. They don't work on a little flexible computer, but neither does a steering-wheel. Demanding that every OS cater to the capabilities of little flexible computers makes as much sense as demanding that the MacOS serve as an optimald esign for controlling a car. It doesn't. Too bad. That's not what it's there for.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 20, 2003 @03:33AM (#6251548)
    ... has nothing to do with my comment, but I was thinking about how it would be nice to have softer, more organic bendable devices to stuff in my pockets, this thought came specifically after I pulled my new motorola T720 out of my pocket and discovered the anteanna had gone impotent on me... permanently.

    I'm all for some more flexible devices, but the flexibility controlling them?, would there be the equivalent of a "hold" switch or keyguard to prevent you from accidentaly hacking the CIA by doing jazzercise (assuming these gain wireless capabilities) or maybe just accidently creating a bunch of new To Do list items simply stating "......." (I get that a lot with my palm pilot with a broken off cover, also because of pocket stuffing)

    Or should I just stop whining and don a Batmanesque belt presenting all my devices within my reach and within women's views so as to entice them to <sarcasm> pursue that "Batmanesque stud" </sarcasm>

    Hey, bite my shiny metal ass!
  • by CrazyWingman ( 683127 ) on Friday June 20, 2003 @04:04AM (#6251632) Journal
    So, if the device has a touchpad already, why not just have the user tap the touchpad to do things like mouse clicks? Is it just in order to have more than one button? If so, I really don't see the reason. If the devices are designed to be "cheap" and have a limited life, as most of these posts have been guessing, what application could there be for it that would need more than one button? Games? I would think you could just tap in different areas of the touchpad.

    Although, I do remember when Nintendo first came out, and watching many people play, it was apparent that the thought that pressing harder or twisting the controller would make Mario jump higher or move faster. Maybe this is a product of that ideal.
  • Dumb concept (Score:5, Insightful)

    by digiZen ( 535342 ) on Friday June 20, 2003 @04:10AM (#6251653)
    I think those design people missed out something in their college careers. They missed out learning the principle of diminishing returns.

    Being small only gets you so far, and just because you can make it smaller doesn't mean that you should. For example, take your average ball-point pen. Most pens you can buy in a store are about the same size - a good fit for an average hand. Yet, I've seen a few "toy" pens here and there - I remember there was a teeny pen on a swiss army knife I owned. That thing was completely useless. You could attempt to write with it, but your hands cramped up almost instantly. That's probably the reason you don't see a lot of swiss army knives with pens as attachments nowdays. I'm sure there are ways of making a new "interface" for a miniature ball-point pen - for example, if you had nothing to do, you could probably attach it to a thimble and have a half-decent pen. The point is, that people don't do it. There is a thing as TOO small.

    I think handheld computers too are getting to their natural sizes with the Palm (and PocketPC) form factors. If you get too much smaller, you start squinting at the screen and there's the whole issue of diminishing utility again. Input into the thing becomes just one of your (many) issues. I had a teensy cell phone for example, and I was in constant fear of losing it in the cushions of my couch. I actually upgraded to a larger phone with more features and a longer battery life - because the size of the previous phone was a nuisance rather than a benefit.

  • by deunan_k ( 637851 ) <knute@nospaM.deunan.com> on Friday June 20, 2003 @04:18AM (#6251675) Homepage

    There are two powerhouses in the PDA industry, Pocket PC and Palm.. Sorry guys, Zaurus IMO is still a non-mainstream. Firstly I'm not gonna talk about a specific PDA or specific brand, rather PDA in general.

    In general, most people use PDAs for the address book function, and majority of these people uses the Appointment/Calendar function too. Some would also use the notes function too, but seldom. Anything extra, rest assured you can call yourself a power user. I know this for a fact because I used to work in a retail shop selling PDAs

    Let's look at features that most users want..

    Handy - Small, slim stylish design that you can keep in your shirt pockets. Not something the size of a brick, and weighs like one!

    Battery - You want something that can last at least for a few days without charging the battery (One Pocket PC brand got it right finally, by having removable batteries)

    Affordability - Most Tom, Dick and Harries don't need the bells and whistles and the extra gadgets like cameras, bluetooth, Wi-Fi, modems, large external storage. Something reasonable is probably the order of the day. All those extras costs money, house-wives don't need most of 'em in order to keep track of their grocery shopping list do they.. So are students, secretaries and bosses, normal users and joes like me ;-P

    Most of those who bought brick-like units are usually either power users (who knows what they want) or those who got too much money and wanna show off. I call these PDAs - Show-Off Units.

    Sony bendable handhelds, well, Look and see.. Price-wise, if they're out of reach, most joes won't use it. Battery-wise, too short, they're not Palm-Tops nor Pocket PCs, rather Desktop PDAs, since they're perpetually connected to their charger unit. If it is too bulky, hell no, I'm not gonna use it, cuz it won't stay in my pocket. I don't wanna look like a fully packed Llama

    In the end, I (and most joe user) want something convenient to use to get day to day tasks done

  • by httpamphibio.us ( 579491 ) on Friday June 20, 2003 @04:37AM (#6251734)
    As long as we have to physically interact with electronic devices with some part of our body there will always be buttons, switches, knobs, dials, etc. I think we are much more likely to see digital versions of these types of interface devices becoming widely adopted. Space is certainly a premium, but with any physical object you always have a back side, for example my dad was recently in Holland and his business partner over there drives a car that has the radio controls on the back side of the stearing wheel, exactly where your fingers rest when you drive.

    Not to mention forcing the general public to learn a new way to interface, which we all know is difficult, but these devices are going to have to be extremely well made to withstand all the abuse. With the rapidly dropping quality of consumer-level products I'd be quite wary of purchasing something that by it's very nature would have to go through all that.
  • Stop it All !!! (Score:3, Insightful)

    by da5idnetlimit.com ( 410908 ) on Friday June 20, 2003 @04:42AM (#6251747) Journal
    "The tactile screen will also let you "feel" images on a website. Touch a heart-shaped icon, say, and the vibrating strips simulate a pulsing heartbeat"

    Well, now you have your answer...

    P R 0 n !
  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 20, 2003 @05:41AM (#6251866)
    ...they're too small!
  • Limitations (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Der Krazy Kraut ( 650544 ) on Friday June 20, 2003 @05:50AM (#6251883)
    Isn't the whole thing kinda... limited? I mean, how many ways can you bend something? And even their example application looks like it would be much easier to just add 2 small buttons.
  • by istartedi ( 132515 ) on Friday June 20, 2003 @07:35AM (#6252183) Journal

    When cars become too small to drive, the only option will be to gently bend them. :)

    That's how ridiculous this business of changing the ergonomics to conform to the implementation sounds.

    If I had a Pentium-IV equivalent system the size of a quarter that could be powered by a watch battery, you know what I'd do with it? I'd build it into a full-sized IBM keyboard. Or, for more mobility, how about one of those portable Palm keyboards?

    I certainly have no desire to bend anything just because the guts are small. Also, if these things are expensive I don't want them to be too small anyway. Too easy to lose.

    When computers become too small to operate, the only option will be to gently bend them, and throw them into the garbage.

  • by hesiod ( 111176 ) on Friday June 20, 2003 @12:52PM (#6255079)
    > talking is still talking, still annoying, and still going to draw eyes (and ears). ...which pisses me off. I know how to use a cell phone politely (read: not screaming into it), yet people still give me dirty looks & shit. I speak more softly into a Cell phone than I would if the person was actually in front of me, yet I'm still considered rude. Just goes to prove my point that people will always find a reason to hate you and think they are a bigger person, whether they are justified or not.

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