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Sony to Stop Producing Smaller CRTs 564

NerveGas writes "Sony is apparantly going to stop producing 17- and 19-inch CRTs, in favor of LCDs. It seems a bit soon to drop CRTs completely, seeing as how LCDs still have less than 30% of the market share. Maybe since their patent on Trinitron screens expired, they're not able to command ridiculous margins any more." Smaller CRTs? I've got a couple 19" Sony monitors here, and I've always considered them to be a good size.
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Sony to Stop Producing Smaller CRTs

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  • Does this mean... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by s.a.m ( 92412 ) on Thursday January 23, 2003 @09:03PM (#5147465) Journal
    That we'll get to see some companies pick up the details of the patent and start producing CHEAPER trinitron crt's? That would be awesome since sony crts are expensive.
  • Re:Does this mean... (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Nexx ( 75873 ) on Thursday January 23, 2003 @09:13PM (#5147552)

    They can get all the details they want from Sony's now-expired patent, like Mitsubishi did. Why they're not doing so is mostly because Trinitron/Diamondtron monitors are slightly more difficult to manufacturer.

    I'm actually curious to see who builds ViewSonic's vertically-flat trinitron-esque tubes (it's definitely not Sony).

  • Re:LCDs Still Suck. (Score:4, Interesting)

    by aetherspoon ( 72997 ) on Thursday January 23, 2003 @09:18PM (#5147581) Homepage
    I'm a gamer.
    I run UT2003.
    I own a LCD.
    My LCD runs usually at 75 hz, although it can run at 80 hz.
    I see no ghosting whatsoever.
    I see no dead pixels, and I've even had my monitor go through the US's airline BAGGAGE.

    Me thinks you have not seen a modern LCD.
  • I hate big monitors (Score:4, Interesting)

    by EmagGeek ( 574360 ) on Thursday January 23, 2003 @09:19PM (#5147591) Journal
    They're obviously stuck in a hopeless cycle of groupthink here.... thinking that big==good. This, of course, is hogwash. I have a 17" monitor sitting on my desk and it's perfect. I have a 21" Viewsonic Pro monitor sitting in the corner of my room holding up a bunch of boxes.

    But EmagGeek! Why not use the 21"!?

    Because it's so damn deep, I can't put my input devices in front of it! I just happened to be at that stupid trendy (but cheap) quasi-swedish furniture store today measuring up desks. The standard depth was 28", on almost every single desk. That ViewSonic monitor I mentioned is 24" deep including cable relief - so unless I can find a 4" keyboard, I'm screwed..

    Of course, chiming in with all the "conspiracy theories" that this thread seems to have spawned, I could conjecture that monitor manufacturers have teamed up with computer desk manufacturers so that no desk can accomodate the smallest CRT, forcing people to LCDs... :)
  • Re:LCDs Still Suck. (Score:4, Interesting)

    by be-fan ( 61476 ) on Thursday January 23, 2003 @09:20PM (#5147603)
    I refuse to buy a monitor that doesn't have at least a 120 DPI native resolution. That rules out pretty much every CRT. I switched from a nice 19" Sony Trinitron to a 15" 1600x1200 Dell laptop LCD, and it's the best switch I've ever made. Staring at text just plain becomes easier when there are enough pixels to actually display letter shapes! The total lack of flicker and zero geometric distortion doesn't hurt!
  • by PhantomHarlock ( 189617 ) on Thursday January 23, 2003 @09:21PM (#5147622)
    Plasma screens have really short burn in times, if you put a computer desktop on it you'll have permanent ghosts where the static objects on your desktop are in notime.

    People who buy them as televisions have to be very careful to avoid burn it, that's why they have grey vertical bars instead of black when watching 4:3 television on a 16:9 display. The technology just isn't quite there yet.

  • LCDs (Score:2, Interesting)

    by jeepee ( 607566 ) on Thursday January 23, 2003 @09:22PM (#5147623) Homepage Journal
    Another thing that comes to my mind in CRTs vs LCDs is that it almost impossible to find cheap lcds whatever the size, that can do 1600*1200 or over i prefer to have a 17in crt that can do 1600*1200 (ok its a little har to read :-) ). than a 19in or 21in LCD that can do not more than 1024*768 or 1280*xxx after all My ** real desk space ** its those pixels !!!!
  • A good idea (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Gyorg_Lavode ( 520114 ) on Thursday January 23, 2003 @09:26PM (#5147658)
    This is probably a good idea. It will let Sony focus on what will be the governing technology. Assuming they are able to use a signifigant amount of money from their CRT development and production to improve their LCD development and production.

    That said, I don't buy LCDs except for space and computers I don't use alot. My 3 main monitors are CRTs. First, I run at 1920x1440 and 1600x1200 on my 2 main computers. To get a LCD that does that is well beyond my budget. Second, I play games, I like bright images, and clear colors. LCD's are great for places like entertainment centers where you don't want a clunky CRT viing for affection with the TV, but for something you need to look at for hours a day, a CRT is the way to go.

    I do hope though, that in the future very high quality LCDs will be available at more reasonable prices. When I bought my first CRT, it did 1024x768 and cost more than my Diamontron 17in monitor that does 1600x1200 and is perfect flat. (I'm young. the monitors bought before the 1024x768 ones were purchased by the parents.) It seems like LCDs are at that exact point. The very cheap ones are 1024x768 and crappy quality. But hopefully the same way I can now get a nice monitor for that price, hopefully the same amount of time in the future the CRTs will be that good.

  • by jmichaelg ( 148257 ) on Thursday January 23, 2003 @09:26PM (#5147662) Journal
    ...when color television was just getting going, my best friend's dad worked as a machinist at the Berkeley Rad Lab. That was the lab that E.O. Lawrence had started just before WWII. One day in the very early 60's a group of physicists invited him to be the group's machinist and moonlight on a project. They were going to build a new color TV tube that was going to beat every other TV then on the market. They figured that since they had worked on particle accelerators for years, they really ought to know a thing or two about TV tubes which are nothing more but scaled down electron accelerators.

    They worked nights and weekends on the project and when they finally had something to show, they schlepped the tube around to Motorola, Zenith, Sylvania, GE and one other American Television company. They chose those 5 companies because, combined, the companies dominiated the world television industry. None of the companies was interested. Discouraged, the group sold the rights to the tube to a European outfit. The Europeans gave the tube up as a lost cause because it was too hard to manufacture so the Europeans dumped it on a small Japanese electronics company. The company was Sony and that's how Sony ended up with the Trinitron. The name Trini - meant three for the three color guns and Tron, well because everything being built at Berkeley back then was a "-tron" - Calutron, Bevatron.

  • by StArSkY ( 128453 ) on Thursday January 23, 2003 @09:51PM (#5147818) Homepage

    This all depends on what the pixel response time is. I get no ghosting on my LCD's at all, but I have seen some crappy (eg Viewmaster) ones that did ghost.

    My pixel response time on my TWO LG 563LE's is 25ms. This is the equivalent of 40fps... BUT this is only for the pixels that change colours.

    All of the other pixels don't change color at all, and as such are inifite FPS !!! This is why you don't get such sore eyes on these babies.

    I also play counter-strike and DOD on my LCD's and I experience no problems at all playing. I have had other gamers surprised at how good they are given they are LCD's
  • by scudco ( 644276 ) on Thursday January 23, 2003 @09:53PM (#5147838)
    In a story that slashdot posted almost eighteen months ago IBM announced it was going to start making flat panel CRT's... Sleek CRT could... [informationweek.com] The original slashdot story is here [slashdot.org].
  • by Michael Snoswell ( 3461 ) on Thursday January 23, 2003 @10:34PM (#5148023) Journal
    Having been an IT Manager in a big corp and also worked at SGI where 21" monitors are par for the course, and in military app development, I can think of many reasons to favour LCD screens:
    (not in any particular order)

    - less desktop space
    - lighter (you'd be surprised the number of insurance claims for back problems come from lifting monitors, they get moved from deskto desk or returned for repairs)
    - don't go fuzzy over time
    - look more high tech
    - less fire risk
    - less electric shock risk
    - less radiation risk
    - no alignment problems
    - less heat generated
    - lower magnetic interference of nearby equipment
    - able to withstand wider temp and pressure fluctuations
    - less storage space for stock

    This is offset by the dowsides ppl have mentioned like:

    - limited viewing angle
    - gamma/colour problems in cheaper LCDs
    - fixed resolution
    - images can look "harsh"
    - cost

    I'm sure Sony did their marketing homework before announcing this. Personally I love my 21" Trinitron...
  • Re:LCDs Still Suck. (Score:4, Interesting)

    by AKnightCowboy ( 608632 ) on Thursday January 23, 2003 @10:40PM (#5148076)
    Don't forget that very important difference between LCDs and CRTs. With a CRT you don't get dead or "stuck" pixels. Imagine my suprise when I found my brand new $1300 iBook had 3 dead pixels at various places around the screen. Hell, my mother-in-law has a blue line of dead pixels on her 1 year old LCD display. She just ignores it though, THAT would drive me nuts. At least with a CRT it's either dead or just gets dimmer and a bit fuzzier but that can be adjusted for a long time before it's useless. My 10 year old 14" CRT display is still going strong as the console for my servers. Somehow I doubt an LCD backlight will last that long. By the way, I also see no point in them for "space savings". I've got plenty of space and enjoy my 21" Trinitron CRT over any LCD any day of the week. :-) Plus LCDs suck for gaming and graphics. Apple must be smoking crack to try to sell LCDs to graphics artists when the color matching is so horrible! I imagine most of them just buy a third party monitor.
  • by MadAnthony02 ( 626886 ) on Friday January 24, 2003 @12:32AM (#5148693)

    It seems that the monitor world would be divided into 2 groups... people who buy the cheapest monitors, and people who buy quality/high end monitors. The people who buy the cheapest monitors aren't profitable, and the people who pay extra for quality are exactly the people moving to LCD's. The few high end CRT customers will be willing to pay for 21" or 24" monitors.

    Personally, I use an NEC MultiSync 95 CRT as my main monitor, and I love it. But if you want to know how cheap CRT's are, I recently bought a 15" Compaq MV5500 for $150.. with a $150 rebate. Items that are given away tend not to be profitable.

  • Re:Sony GDM-FW900 (Score:3, Interesting)

    by lingqi ( 577227 ) on Friday January 24, 2003 @06:01AM (#5149732) Journal
    I've tried them. I dont want them. In 5 years maybe when they actually start reaching the quality of CRT's today.

    I am sure to some people some thing about one product is more desirable than the other. I have personally never noticed any color-change due to viewing angle on high-end screens, but it might just be my eyes. You are right about the color depth - but for *me* who doesn't exactly do photoediting for a living, don't put high on a priority list.

    there are monitors that comes with a hard-coating (glass?) to prevent the sharp-object etc, though. However I'd say that's a child-education issue than a fault-of-the-monitor issue. You child certainly might consider crayoning the wall / carpet / cat very entertaining as well, but hey, you teach them to stop, right?

  • Eyestrain (Score:3, Interesting)

    by SgtChaireBourne ( 457691 ) on Friday January 24, 2003 @06:20AM (#5149783) Homepage

    However, I prefer LCD screens for reading text. The square pixels and sharp edges lend themselves to that sort of purpose.

    LCDs are better for reading text. CRTs quickly give you eyestrain. The CRT image aslo shakes, even if only slightly on the better models. When LCD producers have had time to put as much time, effort and funding into color as the CRTs manufactures, then there will be no need to keep the CRTs around.

    Right now, the best compromise is to have dual-head: one CRT for sensitive color work, one LCD for the other work.

  • Vacuum tubes (Score:3, Interesting)

    by lildogie ( 54998 ) on Friday January 24, 2003 @01:08PM (#5151572)
    With the passing of the new millenium, I noted that the CRT was the only remaining, widespread, consumer use of vacuum tube technology.

    We were so close to leaving those heavy, hot, power-gulping things behind with the 20th century.

    (OTOH, I also note that it always takes about half a minute for my computer to power up, even the laptop with LCD. Same as when I was a kid and we had to "warm up" the television or radio in advance of a show.)
  • by Proc6 ( 518858 ) on Friday January 24, 2003 @01:27PM (#5151742)
    Your eye can't pick up more than 60 fps anyway. If you think it can, you're high on crack. Film is 20, TV is 30. The only reason people like video cards that get 150 fps in "Quake", is because that means at the "tough spots" they still stay above 30. Pretty sad if you trash a technology because it doesnt get more than 65 fps. I suppose all cars that have a top speed under 220 mph suck too.

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