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On Daylight Savings Time:

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I endorse it, and live where it's observed
  4941 votes / 17%
I endorse it, but live where it's not observed
  352 votes / 1%
I don't care enough to care
  4101 votes / 14%
I dislike it, and live where it's observed
  15917 votes / 55%
I dislike it, but live where it's not observed
  1095 votes / 3%
Why aren't we just using Swatch Internet Time?
  2262 votes / 7%
28668 total votes.
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  • Oh I just love (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Osgeld (1900440) on Wednesday November 07, 2012 @02:03AM (#41904087)

    leaving work in the pitch dark and fucking up my internal clock a couple weeks a couple times a year just cause people cant manage daylight on their own schedule

    FUCK DST

    • Re:Oh I just love (Score:5, Informative)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 07, 2012 @03:05AM (#41904553)

      It sounds like you want to fuck standard time, not DST. A word to the wise: Standard time gets around.

    • Re:Oh I just love (Score:4, Insightful)

      by jamesh (87723) on Wednesday November 07, 2012 @06:40AM (#41905593)

      leaving work in the pitch dark and fucking up my internal clock a couple weeks a couple times a year just cause people cant manage daylight on their own schedule

      FUCK DST

      I love DST here. The level of light in the morning is no worse than winter time (at its worst), and I get an hour more daylight for gardening when I get home from work (useless at this time of year where hayfever rules the open air but that only lasts a few months).

      It must suck to take 2 weeks for your bodyclock to come good. You'd be screwed if you crossed into a different timezone! Try taking melatonin before your adjusted bedtime for a few nights when the times shift. I've heard getting drunk is useful for resetting body clocks too, but I can't speak from experience on that one.

    • by sootman (158191) on Wednesday November 07, 2012 @02:51PM (#41910343) Homepage Journal

      > ... leaving work in the pitch dark...

      You do realize that when the sun suddenly sets an hour earlier it's because we're back on standard time, right?

  • by Tex Bravado (91447) on Wednesday November 07, 2012 @02:14AM (#41904149)

    Does anybody really care ?

  • I live somewhere where we don't have Day Light Savings (for sensible reasons), but we end up having to make all the changes twice a year to cater for it.

    It is sort of like a smoker smoking, and only the passive smokers getting cancer but never the smoker.

    • by jimshatt (1002452)
      Care to tell what changes? You mean like, starting work an hour earlier or something?
      • by craznar (710808)

        Our clocks don't change. However our interstate offices get to work an hour earlier, leave work an hour earlier, have lunch out of sync with us.

        All up - most national businesses in Queensland lose around 4 hours of the 8 hour business day per day in day light savings.

        In addition, much of our news is no longer live... nor sports, and our TV suddenly changes schedule all over the place.

        Or trying to get tech support, and they close an hour earlier etc.

        A right mess for us without day light savings, all because

  • Probably move to Arizona when I retire. I really like it here in Colorado but DST sucks. As What annoys me... [slashdot.org] says, even if you don't have it, you still have to adjust for it. I figure retired and living where it's not observed, I can almost pretend it doesn't exist.

    Cheers,
    Dave

  • +1 DST (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Finn61 (893421) on Wednesday November 07, 2012 @03:15AM (#41904609) Homepage
    Sorry but in the height of Australian summer I don't want the sun belting in my window at 5am. Frankly, it's better for us non-morning people.
    • by Cimexus (1355033)

      Agreed. Even with DST being observed in summer, it STILL gets light at some stupid hour in the morning if you live at a latitude higher than around 30 degrees (which is half of Australia, and almost all of the USA). Not being a morning person myself, I am quite happy for it to be dark for that extra hour in the morning, just so I can actually an hour or two of usable light in the evening when I get home.

      Having said that, as someone that works in IT, I have a natural love for standardisation and a hate of ha

      • by jamesh (87723)

        Agreed. Even with DST being observed in summer, it STILL gets light at some stupid hour in the morning if you live at a latitude higher than around 30 degrees (which is half of Australia, and almost all of the USA). Not being a morning person myself, I am quite happy for it to be dark for that extra hour in the morning, just so I can actually an hour or two of usable light in the evening when I get home.

        Having said that, as someone that works in IT, I have a natural love for standardisation and a hate of hacks. And yes, DST is a hack. So the rational side of me doesn't like the concept. :)

        Me too, but DST is the best hack we have. No amount of coding is going to change the tilt of the earth.

        We could always just start work an hour earlier, and school an hour earlier, but then not only do you need to know the timezone of the business you are calling, you need to know if they observe a 1 hour shift to opening/closing time. DST just seems easier.

        • by Raumkraut (518382)

          We could always just start work an hour earlier, and school an hour earlier, but then not only do you need to know the timezone of the business you are calling, you need to know if they observe a 1 hour shift to opening/closing time. DST just seems easier.

          Things you would have to take into consideration, under different systems:

          Changing business opening times with the season:
          * Opening hours
          * Relative timezones

          Changing the clock (ie. using DST):
          * Opening hours
          * Relative timezones
          * DST amounts (not all DST sh

    • by fatphil (181876)
      The change to summer time is *bad* for non-morning people, as you how have to get up an hour *earlier*.

      It looks like, as with most pro-DST people, you've really not thought your argument through carefully enough.
    • by CanHasDIY (1672858) on Wednesday November 07, 2012 @01:07PM (#41909119) Homepage Journal

      Sorry but in the height of Australian summer I don't want the sun belting in my window at 5am. Frankly, it's better for us non-morning people.

      Hey, I've got good news for you - there's this awesome new invention that you can use to block sunlight from intruding on your sleeping space!

      Check it: http://www.selectblinds.com/ [selectblinds.com]

  • I am from Indiana...went to grad school there too...Indiana was a Standard Time stalwart for *decades*

    Why? It is simple stubbornness. The idea that 'they' can tell 'us' what time it is...well that is just too much for some people. What kind of people? People who instinctively base their reactions on how others around them are reacting...

    It's great for sheep...not so good in a modern competitive economy...maybe that explains some other things as well...

  • by jtownatpunk.net (245670) on Wednesday November 07, 2012 @04:09AM (#41904879)

    Zulu time. That's it. No more dateline, no more shifting back and forth, no more time zones.

    • by jimshatt (1002452) on Wednesday November 07, 2012 @04:21AM (#41904929)
      And while we're at it, why not abolish the entire concept of days. I'll be happy with 28-hour cycles. 6 cycles in a week, with 4 10-hour workdays (+ 10 hours leisure + 8 hours sleep), and 2 long weekend cycles. I know my biological clock is already tuned to this :)
      • by fatphil (181876)
        28 hours isn't perfect for me, but is very close, and it's easier to stretch your cycle by a small amount than to compress it. When I first moved to Finland they were just beginning one of their longest winters on record, and without any regular light or temperature clues, I fell into a 28-hour cycle very easily that lasted many months.
    • by necro81 (917438)

      Zulu time. That's it. No more dateline, no more shifting back and forth, no more time zones.

      Don't you think the people in Asia might resent having it change from Monday to Tuesday in the middle of their day?

  • It's like Hammer Time, but in Swiss, and with watches. :)

    Ok, here's a real link to explain it, not that anyone cares.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swatch_Internet_Time
  • Fades the curtains (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Turminder Xuss (2726733) on Wednesday November 07, 2012 @04:43AM (#41905055)
    I heard of a woman in Queensland who complained on the radio that DST faded her curtains quicker. Everyone laughed, but if she opened and closed them at the same time each day, then she was right. For a given value of right ....
    • by craznar (710808) on Wednesday November 07, 2012 @08:30AM (#41906117) Homepage

      She was right - for all values of right.

      In the hotter climates, people close the curtains in the afternoon to prevent the hot sun coming into the house, then open them after sundown for the evening and early morning.
      So any change which alters the relative proportion of sun against closed curtains vs open curtains will indeed add 1hr of sun exposure per day to the curtains.
      By 'the same time every day', most country folk will mean their habits remain constant.

      Similarly, cows produced less milk in day light savings - not because cows know about day light savings, but because they didn't. The trucks turned up earlier, the cows milked at the same time... less milk.

      But the real critical issue in Queensland as far as I'm concerned, is the 15+ UV rating at 10-2pm, which then extends to school exit times during day light savings.

      DLS is designed for areas close to the polar circles, not areas close to the tropics.

      Rant over ...

  • by srussia (884021) on Wednesday November 07, 2012 @05:05AM (#41905179)
    ...means a stopped clock can be right thrice a day!
  • by PolygamousRanchKid (1290638) on Wednesday November 07, 2012 @06:55AM (#41905699)

    I am fine with gaining an hour. Losing an hour sucks. So I think instead of moving clocks forward an hour in the spring, we should just move them back 23 hours. The end result is the same time, and you have an extra day on the weekend.

    Unless you have to work on the weekend.

  • by Chrisq (894406) on Wednesday November 07, 2012 @07:02AM (#41905735)
    Personally I like an extra hour in bed playing with my cock .... oops I mean clock.
  • by Cmdr-Absurd (780125) on Wednesday November 07, 2012 @07:32AM (#41905851)
    Gives me a block of daylight to do yard work or get in a bike ride after work. (Or both on the longest days)
  • In the UK there is DST as well but there have been some rumblings to introduce Single Double Summer Time (SDST) [timeanddate.com] (yes, it's a stupid name). This would shift the entire time to be GMT+2 though all the year. It would deprive people in the north of Scotland of a few hours of daylight in the morning, which seems to be the main opposition. For the rest of us it would mean fewer traffic accidents. But ho hum, as long as the farmers are happy.

  • by AbRASiON (589899) * on Wednesday November 07, 2012 @09:27AM (#41906571) Journal

    We get more sunlight in summer.
    No back off, we get more PERCEIVED sunlight in summer.

    It's a good thing a very good thing - as someone who suffers with SAD (oh boy) the "extra" sunlight is just fantastic. Summer is a warm, happy time - with lots of light, time to get home from work and still DO THINGS.

    It blows my mind people swear black and blue about DST, it's mind boggingly backwards. It's certainly a quirky fix but you're not going to see us changing peoples lives to be 'work at 7, finish at 3' are you? It's never going to happen.
    Winter is depressing and awful, to be honest - I'd prefer 2 hours of DST all year round. Yes, all year round. I realise it's stupid and we should just do things earlier but we won't do things earlier - it's not going to happen. DST 2 hours earlier - while also extremely unlikely is at least a pipe dream I can wish for.

    Winter, leave just before sun up, leave work just after sun down. I'd much rather leave for work well well before sun up, leave work while sun remains up.
    I spent a couple of days in Paris in their summer 2010 and it was glorious. The sun was still out at if I recall, 9:30pm - it was amazing and brilliant.

    If anything, summer we need the 'extra hour' less than we actually need it in winter -we should be 2 hours forward in winter and only 1 hour forward in summer - it's backwards as it currently is.
    (From a state in Aus which follows DST - thank god! I absoloutely love it)

    • by pavon (30274) on Wednesday November 07, 2012 @12:20PM (#41908591)

      I absolutely hate it. In the desert it is too fucking hot to spend time outside in the afternoon/evening during the summer. The morning is wonderful, nice warm sun but it hasn't gotten too hot yet. I would love to spend hours outside every summer morning exercising, tending the garden and just hanging out, but I have to be at work at a fixed time and some bastards thought it was a good idea to steal an hour of wonderful morning, so they can give me an extra hour of dreadful scorching evening. And since the sun sets latter I have to waste more energy getting the house down to a reasonable temperature before bedtime. This is one of the few things that Arizona got right, I wish the rest of the southern states would figure it out as well.

  • .. you're doing it wrong.

    You get up when the sun is up and sleep when it's down, or just accept it gets darker longer in the winter months and get more sunlight in the summer months (assuming you're in the Northern Hemisphere).

    Stop mentally messing people up by changing clocks. People's bodies are very resilient, and will adapt accordingly. Heck we see that with babies all the time when trying to get them to sleep through the night. Besides technology exists enough now that this time change is not longer

  • by DL117 (2138600) on Wednesday November 07, 2012 @09:54AM (#41906793) Homepage

    I'd prefer to use a 24 hour UTC clock for everything. It's a big world.

    • by technomom (444378)
      God, yes, please. I work with teams in the US, Ireland, India and China (Yeah, I'm in IT, how'd'ya guess?) and it's bad enough normally but particularly screwed up around Daylight/Summer Times changes. I would be thrilled if we just all got used to call it whatever the time was in Iceland (effectively UTC), no matter what time of day it is.
  • Don't like it (Score:4, Informative)

    by GameboyRMH (1153867) <{moc.liamg} {ta} {hmryobemag}> on Wednesday November 07, 2012 @10:00AM (#41906851) Journal

    Having lived where it was observed it was a PITA, plus it only wastes energy. [phys.org]

    • by MrLogic17 (233498)

      I work at a power company. I will also attest that DST doesn't reduce power consumption. DST is based on the obsolete premise that the use of electrical power is lighting. That hasn't been true for decades- perhaps a century.

  • by sproketboy (608031) on Wednesday November 07, 2012 @10:04AM (#41906881)

    Just looking at the negative economic effects [wikipedia.org] should convince people that's it's a really bad idea.

  • That extra hour of daylight lets me get off work and go to Ma's and Pa's farm to go help with the harvest! Without daylight savings time how would all the farmers harvest their crops?

    Also insert school's summer vacation BS here. Surely I need to have havest time on the homestead each summer like every farming family in the land.

    Wake up! (Litterly) We have digitial clocks set by satillites, and agricorp runing our farms. We do not need to have these hold overs from the 19th century.

  • by Rambo Tribble (1273454) on Wednesday November 07, 2012 @11:25AM (#41907905)
    It is widely misrepresented that Franklin proposed Daylight Savings Time. In fact, what he actually was proposing was a means to extract more work from people, or "Daylight Slavings Time". The "l" apparently was dropped in the transition to manuscript.
  • ...and hate it once a year. I love gaining an hour of sleep each fall, but hate losing an hour of it in the spring!
  • If you work odd hours, evening hours, early mornings, or outside all day, you probably don't get much benefit from DST. But if you work in an office, till 5:00, that extra hour of evening daylight provides a real benefit. Many activities, both work and leisure, are better enjoyed with daylight. Few who work regular office hours do these sorts of activities before work, so shifting that daylight to the hours after work is more beneficial.

    So why not just keep DST all year around? Oklahoma tried this conce

  • by swm (171547) * <swmcd@world.std.com> on Wednesday November 07, 2012 @02:41PM (#41910203) Homepage

    How congress broke daylight savings time
    http://world.std.com/~swmcd/steven/letters/dst.html [std.com]

  • by sootman (158191) on Wednesday November 07, 2012 @03:02PM (#41910511) Homepage Journal

    Mainly, I'm pissed at Bush II for fucking with the schedule. The whole economy's going in the toilet, gas is a million bucks a gallon, and shithead thinks a few more weeks of DST will fix everything.

    Un-tilting the Earth... that will fix everything. :-)

  • by Art Challenor (2621733) on Wednesday November 07, 2012 @04:02PM (#41911169)
    How long before the US switches to metric time like the rest of the world?
  • Missing option (Score:5, Insightful)

    by geekoid (135745) <dadinportland@@@yahoo...com> on Wednesday November 07, 2012 @06:14PM (#41912571) Homepage Journal

    Strongly support watching idiots argue about it.

  • What I hate (Score:4, Funny)

    by BenSchuarmer (922752) on Wednesday November 07, 2012 @07:59PM (#41913729)
    is seeing complaints about Daily Saving Time twice a year.
  • by anyGould (1295481) on Thursday November 08, 2012 @03:40PM (#41922865)

    ... that with the recent changes to daylight savings, we now spend *more* time on Daylight than we do on Standard, I'd rather just move the world up an hour and stay put.

    Where I am, the switch means that I get to drive into the sunrise/sunset for an extra two weeks each year. It's still dark when I leave and dark when I return in the winter. So what's the point?

A sheet of paper is an ink-lined plane. -- Willard Espy, "An Almanac of Words at Play"

 



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