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"Spin Battery" Effect Discovered
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kdawson
on Fri Mar 13, 2009 11:16 AM
from the usual-caveats-apply dept.
from the usual-caveats-apply dept.
An anonymous reader writes "Researchers at the University of Miami and at the Universities of Tokyo and Tohoku, in Japan, have discovered a spin battery effect: the ability to store energy into the magnetic spin of a material and to later extract that energy as electricity, without a chemical reaction. The researchers have built an actual device to demonstrate the effect that has a diameter about that of a human hair. This is a potentially game-changing discovery that could affect battery and other technologies. Quoting: Although the actual device... cannot even light up an LED..., the energy that might be stored in this way could potentially run a car for miles. The possibilities are endless, Barnes said.'"
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Cool. (Score:5, Funny)
This sounds cool, but what they are not telling you is that it will stop working if you bring it south of the equator. :)
Re:Cool. (Score:4, Funny)
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Re:Cool. (Score:5, Funny)
NASCAR!!!
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Can't light an LED (Score:5, Interesting)
Is this due to the scale of the device/experiment or is it a limitation in the output that they can get it to generate so far?
Re:Can't light an LED (Score:4, Interesting)
Well the device they've built has the diameter of a human hair it doesn't really matter (unless it's also really really long). Ten thousand in a battery the size of a AA would surely give off more energy than existing alkali or NiMH batteries of the same size.
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Re:Can't light an LED (Score:5, Insightful)
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Re:Can't light an LED (Score:5, Interesting)
More importantly, you can stack several chemical batteries together for more power and the only issue you have to worry about is heat.
Stack several magnetic based batteries together, are you going to have to worry about their fields interfering with each other? What if this is only a workable model when the battery IS the width of a human hair.
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Miles? (Score:5, Funny)
...the energy that might be stored in this way could potentially run a car for miles. The possibilities are endless, Barnes said.
Awesome, I have yet to travel miles by car.
Re:Miles? (Score:5, Insightful)
Although the actual device... cannot even light up an LED..., the energy that might be stored in this way could potentially run a car for miles.
This is one of the least informative lines ever included in a tech summary.
Any energy storing tech that's worth it's salt can potentially run a car for miles. It's a question of efficiency and cost. I can potentially power a car for miles with twisted up rubberbands if I want to, but that isn't a breakthrough in the field.
And of course "miles" tells nothing. Powering a car 3-5 miles is next to worthless. If they said 10's of miles we would know this had the potential to replace current tech or at least come close. If they said 100's of miles we would be facing a revolutionary improvement.
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Re:Miles? (Score:5, Funny)
So you bought a Yugo too, eh?
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Re:Miles? (Score:5, Funny)
I can potentially power a car for miles with twisted up rubberbands if I want to
I think there is some stimulus money available for you.
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yeah, if you believe the spin... (Score:5, Funny)
Achem (Score:4, Insightful)
In THIS house, we obey the laws of thermodynamics. So you create a magnetic field, okay. Great. What's to prevent everything that's metallic in the area from moving around it, inducing current in it, and converting it into useless thermal energy? In other words -- what's preventing the battery from discharging? It might be good for a really high-capacity capacitor, but a battery? Batteries are long term.
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Re:Achem (Score:5, Insightful)
Yeah you're right. I bet they totally never thought of that.
When did "In THIS house, we obey the laws of thermodynamics" turn into some goddamn meme that gets pulled out when what you really mean is "I don't understand, can anyone please explain?"
Because you're implying that these researchers are in some other house that doesn't obey the laws of physics, and that pointing this out is some revelation. Physicists from three institutions in two countries worked on this - are you really so stupid to think they don't know about thermodynamics? Really?
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Re:Achem (Score:5, Informative)
Simpsons season 6, episode 21 ("The PTA Disbands").
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Re:Achem (Score:5, Funny)
A liberal coating of snake oil.
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Re:Achem (Score:5, Informative)
In THIS house, we obey the laws of thermodynamics.
Like other posters pointed out: you likely don't know what thermodynamics even is. Hint: thermo has something to do with temperature. Thermodynamcs is about entropy and heat not about magnetic fields or electric fields.
To your question:
In other words -- what's preventing the battery from discharging?
The battery does not discharge in the same way your hard drive is not losing its content just so. The magnetic fields in such a device are static that means they don't move, that means they don't induce anything to anything. However if you read the article (yes the linked article, you can read it, you know!!) you find that nanoscale areas are magnetized and that tunnel effects are involved. I guess that such small areas can "discharge" randomly vie tunnel effects (similar to radioactive decay).
angel'o'sphere
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Re:Achem (Score:5, Informative)
Magnetic shielding?
A Faraday cage?
Faraday cages don't stop magnetic fields.
Even if you do stop the magnetic field (it can be done, but not with a Faraday cage), your battery would be inducing regular and eddy currents in the shield, which will convert the magnetic field to useless thermal energy over time.
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CAUTION (Score:5, Funny)
Do not open or crush battery. Severe risk of releasing a life-sucking vortex.
Do not dispose in fire. Doing so could loose a storm of flaming vortices.
Do not use this battery on carnival rides, while figure skating, or place in spinning clothes washer. Risk of severe gyroscopic reactions, which may lead to property damage, personal injury or death.
Re:CAUTION (Score:5, Funny)
Do not taunt Magnetic Spin Battery.
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Yeah, but.. (Score:5, Funny)
Although the actual device... cannot even light up an LED...
So you're telling me this thing is less powerful than a potato?
The Nature pre-publication link (Score:5, Informative)
Readers with subscriptions can see the whole paper.
You 'flywheel' people do realize.. (Score:5, Insightful)
Link to actual paper (Score:5, Informative)
Bypassing the layers of blogs, here's the actual paper. [nature.com] But it costs $32 to read more than the abstract.
This is an application of superparamagnetism. [wikipedia.org] Paramagnetism is ordinarily a weak phenomenon, but there are some new materials for which this effect is much stronger.
It's too early to tell if this is useful. Right now, it's in the category of "minor development in materials science overpromoted as a major breakthrough". It might turn out to have some relevance to MRI imaging or disk drives, both of which rely on fine-scale magnetic effects.