Tagging Devices To Aid In Car Chases 394
kthejoker writes "ABC News is reporting that a company called StarChase has invented a device that will allow police teams to 'tag' cars involved in dangerous chases. The device is the size of a golf ball, can be launched via an air-powered shooter attached to police vehicles, and uses a "highly efficient" glue to stick to cars. From there, it transmits its GPS position to a central monitoring station."
Wicked Idea (Score:5, Funny)
Am I the only one who could never get them to stick to friends backs?
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If the car is driving at a high speed and all electronics stop functioning, the car becomes uncontrollable and a cras
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Even in conventional internal-combustion-only cars, the transmissions are becoming significantly more
Re:Wicked Idea (Score:4, Interesting)
I beg to differ in one regard. You are seriously underestimating the effects of power assist. By way of example, I would suggest you go out to a large, empty parking lot, accelerate to about 35MPH or so, and turn off the car. Now, you will retain some power assist, but only until the brakes have been used. Simulate some turns. You will find that the brakes become essentially unresponsive before you stop, although you will retain some turning.
About twenty years ago, when I was a teenager, I would screw around with my car by finding out what would happen if, for example, the engine died. I got pretty good after a while. There was a hill about a mile from my house that I could speed up on and then turn off the car (shifting into neutral)--and coast all the way to the garage. Of course, that meant I had to climb two hills, and conduct several turns. I had no brakes, but by the time I got to the garage I was only going about 5MPH, so I could get it to stop.
Every once in a while I remind myself of the essential helplessness we have in modern US cars by doing what I suggest to you above. When I had a '69 VW Beetle, it was no worries--just an overpowered go-cart. Now nowdays.
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Re:Wicked Idea (Score:3, Funny)
The problem? Sounds like a great crime deterrent to me.
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Re:Wicked Idea (Score:4, Interesting)
regardless of what you do.
It's all about the timing. If you can get them to stop moving when there's nobody else around, even if it results in them crashing, then I think it's perfectly acceptable to do so. Especially if it prevents them from getting into an area where there are more bystanders that they can kill when they eventually do wipe out.
If you've ever watched any videos of car chases, or talked to people who have been involved in high-speed pursuits, a very high percentage of them seem to end in bad accidents. I don't know what the statistics are on bystander injuries, but a system that could lock the steering and render the car uncontrollable -- even if it was guaranteed to cause it to crash -- would still be useful, if it could be used to end the pursuit quickly and far away from uninvolved people.
As far as I'm concerned, once you've decided to begin a high-speed chase, your life is forfeit. By driving 100 MPH down a street and doing any of the other sorts of things that people do when they're running from the cops, you endanger other people. When you show that much disregard for the lives of others, the police have a responsibility to do whatever it takes to stop you, regardless of whether you live through it or not.
Re:Wicked Idea (Score:3, Funny)
Oh, sorry, I thought we were talking about GTA.
Spear Not Such A Wicked Idea (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Wicked Idea (Score:2, Interesting)
2. Why would you need a spear when you could just use a microwave gun http://www.abcnews.go.com/Technology/FutureTech/s
This leads me to belive this devise is realy most usefoull in cases where you whant to follow the car without stoping it.
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Does Parker own the patent? (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Does Parker own the patent? (Score:3, Funny)
Hhhmmm. The only person safe from this device: Tiger Woods! [putfile.com].
...well, and Chuck Norris [chucknorrisfacts.com], but that goes without saying.
useful in a practical sense too (Score:4, Insightful)
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Why Only Police? (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Why Only Police? (Score:2, Insightful)
Your driving down the motorway/freeway minding your own business, driving carefully at around the speedlimit and some speed freak comes tearing past and undertakes you.
You take out your Tag rifle and aim it at the car in front.
Lean out of the window and take aim, but whilst you are doing this you swerve and take out 3 cyclists also minding their own business.
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Re:Why Only Police? (Score:3, Funny)
I swear, people these days...
Mod parent funny (Score:2)
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[1] paronomasia intended.
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license plates (Score:2)
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This article is a year old! (Score:4, Interesting)
Why unglue when smashing will work? (Score:5, Interesting)
Regardless of whether fleeing drivers realize they have been tagged, it's unlikely that individuals could unglue the dart.
Delicate electronics don't tend to survive being hit with a hammer. You don't have to get it off the car, all you have to do is disable it. I'd be curious to see how smash proof this thing is.
Re:Why unglue when smashing will work? (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Why unglue when smashing will work? (Score:3, Insightful)
I see win-win with this device in most scenarios.
Re:Why unglue when smashing will work? (Score:3, Insightful)
I see win-win with this device in most scenarios.
The device would be pointless if the police are right behind them anyway. OTOH if the cops are far enough behind to make a GPS tracking device useful, the perps will be able to take 30 seconds to stop and take a bullet/boot/brick to the thing. I'd say the GP poster makes a fair point.
Re:Why unglue when smashing will work? (Score:2)
If the criminals have to stop to smash it from their rear bumper then surely its job is done.
How? The whole point of this thing is to not pursue them and pick them up later. If they stop for a minute, smash the thing to bits, and continue on then you've lost them.
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finally a metaphor i can relate to
where'd you grow up, idaho?
Re:Why unglue when smashing will work? (Score:2, Insightful)
1. Get out of vehicle
2. Fetch hammer from trunk
3. "PUT YOUR HANDS ABOVE YOUR HEAD WHERE I CAN SEE 'EM"
The point of the technology is to stop high speed pursuits from becoming more dangerous- by ensuring that the suspect cannot get away, police vehicles can back off a few hundred meters and wait for the driver to stop of his own accord/come to his senses/run out of fuel. The moment he stops, the police wil be on him in seconds and he'll be arrested.
Because surely... (Score:3, Funny)
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This fills a need (Score:5, Insightful)
And for as long as people have been saying, "Chasing people down residential streets at 80 miles an hour is dangerous, for Pete's sake!" the standard reply has been, "Well, we can't just let them go."
Now, maybe they can let them go, and the Bigger-Dick Theory of Car Chases can finally be put to bed. Stick them with a tracking dart, surprise them when they're sleeping. Just like Batman. Except with less bats.
Re:This fills a need (Score:2)
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what if car is stolen ? (Score:2, Insightful)
Car chases? (Score:5, Funny)
'high-speed pursuits' my backside (Score:2)
The only thing this would be useful for is surveillance, and there are better devices out there.
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vehicle tracking (Score:5, Interesting)
Apparently the legal department of the place spent the majority of their time fighting off law enforcement from getting info from the service to track suspected drug dealers or whatever for agency requests.
Re:vehicle tracking (Score:2)
Yes I've heard of these. One company sells a product called Boomerang. Sounds great.
However would it not be easier to tie the theft signal directly into the engine management computer to kill the engine ( modern cars simply don't function without that computer) and look the doors? Should give the police long enough to find the car with the GPS before they break out.
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Well tasers and emp systems are completely different; tasers use high voltage while emp uses an electromagnetic pulse.
Tasers tend not to work too well on cars as the metal frame acts as a Faraday cage protecting the electronics. And a small emp gun is simply the work of hollywood -possible but not practical and doesn't exist in the form you
Dumb criminals (Score:3, Funny)
Criminal/drug dealer type buys expensive car with his ill gotten money. Said person then proceeds to install a GPS TRACKER in his expensive car so if it gets stolen, the company can track it and return it to him and he can take the person who stole it to court???
I guess this is why criminals continue to get caught - because by the sounds of it, most of them are stupid enough to voluntarily put TRACKING TECHNOLOGY in their own cars. Makes it easy for
WWSD? (Score:2, Funny)
What Would Spiderman Do?
I'm pesimistic (Score:4, Insightful)
Also, think about the nature of the pursuits they are wanting to avoid. We've all seen it on cops. Driver takes off going way in excess of 100 mph on city and neighborhood roads. If the cops are lucky, they can radio ahead to other police officers and setup road blocks or put down tire strips. But the suspect always either nails the cops with his car and keeps going, or blows his tires out and keeps going along right on his rims shooting sparks every which way. Sometimes, the cops will perform that move where they catch up to the fleeing car and ram it on a rear fender which sends the driver spinning out of control. Sometimes this works. Sometimes they spin out and hit people and just keep on going. Sometimes they even get the suspect trapped between two cruisers and run at the driver, pistols drawn. And sometimes the drivers just smash their way right out of this almost killing the police officers in the process.
Yeah, I understand the need to want to curtail all of this dangerous activity. But what the last thing you always see from your airial police-cam? The driver gets out and starts running. My guess, if the person fleeing is desperate enough to get involved in a high speed pursuit, then they are also probably going to run after they ditch their car. If the cop is hanging back, I seriously doubt they are going to catch them.
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Great for Jail Breaks (Score:2)
Not So Easy (Score:2, Insightful)
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Not a silver bullet (Score:3, Insightful)
If a policeman relies on this device and stops chasing the guy, the common criminal will simply ditch the car and get away.
The reason cops chase people is so the bad guy doesn't get away. Maybe it will help in situations where the police can't help but lose sight of a car in a chase, but how often does that happen outside of the movies?
Re:Not a silver bullet (Score:2, Insightful)
Yes, the criminal will most likely ditch the car e
Re:Not a silver bullet (Score:2)
And truth be told: American cops like to drive fast. Cowboy culture, know what I mean?
And this neat vaproware item will fail to work. (Score:2)
Solution? when you get enough of a lead, stop and either yank the damned thing off, wrap it in tinfoil, pull into a all metal trailer, etc....
The GPS in phones always made me laugh. The ones in Nextel phones suck horribly taking upwards of 10 minutes to get a fix and do not work indoors.
All these startups are tryi
The logical answer to that: GPS jammer (Score:2, Interesting)
It's not like when we were kids! (Score:2, Funny)
Not every city has a helicopter... (Score:3, Interesting)
There are also many ways in which a helicopter can be either avoided, or at least forced to drop far enough back to give you a better chance to lose it. Going near a major airport comes to mind. A city with many tall buildings (downtown New York or LA comes to mind) would make the helicopter less effective.
The way I could see police using this device, is tag the car, then "let" them get away/out of sight. Using the GPS, keep a group of patrol cars in a "box" around the suspect, and eventually, he/she will stop somewhere. At that point, move in. Best case, everybody wins. The cops get the criminal, the vehicle is minimally damaged, and few if any civilians get hurt. Worst case, the cops get the car back in good shape, and again, few if any civilians get hurt. Truthfully, I believe the cops would much prefer fewer chances of civilian injuries versus getting the criminal in custody, and not just because of the lawsuits.
Likely, most chases start when the criminal does something to attract the attention of the police, who then do what they are supposed to do: try to catch them. The problem with backing off, is that once the chase is on, they get fixated on stopping them. It seems a (very loosely) similar situation would be when one is working on a project or program, and is cruising along, try to stop... One big difference, which I'm sure someone would point out if I don't, is writing code isn't going to hurt anyone.
Stop and think for a moment, too, what would happen if the police *never* chased. Why bother doing anything even remotely near the speed limit? Streets are too corwded, hit the sidewalk at 60mph... Traffic signals would be less than "suggestions"....
At least if people think there's the possiblity of a cop, or several cops, chasing, and likely stopping them, they're more likely to simply pull over. With the obvious exception of criminals....
Won't the police need spider-sense (Score:3, Funny)
Tag people (Score:5, Funny)
Wouldnt we be so much safer if the government knew where everyone was , at all times?
what happens if the criminal panics..... (Score:4, Insightful)
RC car and an EMP (Score:2)
I've kind of thought that a highspeed RC car could launch, use military technology for tracking, get under the car and attach itself with a bunch of hard drive magents. Either use that as the GPS device (which eliminates the whole impact debate here) or emits a small, localized EMP. Yes, I know that EMP takes a lot of energy, but nothing a couple of really large capacitors could be revved up to handle. Few people are likely to initiate a chase in any vehicle that doesn't have a computer nowadays, so the
Shoot back (Score:5, Funny)
If you are ever involved in a high speed car chase, common sense should tell you you can't outrun a cop car which has a souped up engine, souped up radiator, bigger gas tank, and when they are interconnected out there with radios and a central dispatch. You can learn alot from the discovery channel.
This is what you do.
First, you jam them across the radio band with a white noise generator connected to a transmitter you have wired to your beefed up car electronics system. If you're not driving with one of these, you're a sitting duck for any police action against you. They will pull you over, they will search you, they will plant evidence on you, and you will suddenly find yourself doing 10 to life. Pigs have more access to 'drug evidence' they can plant on you than you could ever imagine. In the end, it comes down to your word against theirs, who do you think a jury will believe. I thought so. The only person who will protect you is you yourself. This is life or death.
Second, you site your automatic weapons on the son of a ****** that is chasing you from the rear seat while someone else drives. Slow down, let them catch up to you, and then aiming straight for the driver you let him have it with the full clip. If that don't kill the SOB it sure as heck will convince him to back the f off. If you can't get the driver, the tires and the radiator are secondary targets.
Remember to lead your target.
If you don't have someone else in the car or a weapon, you have to follow Boella's (sp?) Dicta, which says you should always, always, turn and face your enemy at all times. In this case, the bogie is already on yoru tail. Speed up real fast, get him going real fast with lots of inertia, and then slow down, closing the gap, so Piggie thinks he's being supercop and has you now. Then slam on the brakes real hard so he smashes into your rear end. You will be expecting it, he won't.
Now most amatuers at this point would speed up and try to run for it again. No, that gives him time to speed up and go back into supercop mode. You do what any motherbear would do protecting her cubs. You turn and fight. That's right, swing your car around, and start ramming the SOB. Forward, backwards, forward, backwards, slam in to him, aiming for the weak points in his combat vehicle.. the driver side door first, the radiator second. Once you've beaten him black and blue, then you can leave. Get a good distance a way, ditch the car out of site, and get yourself a fresh vehicle.
You will want to return and pick up the original car later, as it may trace back to you with prints, etc. So its good to stash it down some logging road in the back woods.
Or, you can continue to live in your fairy land, that the police are there to serve and protect, and not a police state out of control, only interested in protecting power and fear and slander upon you. And that a defense lawyer, which should be the most honorable profession on earth, meant to be the last stand against the overwhelming power of the state... hasn't been undermined or sold out yet or has no clue how to really defend anybody in court, irregardless of how expensive they are.
The only one who will protect your rights are you. You have to fight like a pyscho Indian, and yes, its to the death. Why this is? Because for the last 20 years nobody has stood up for civil rights, and everything that was fought for in World War 2 against fascism and police power has been eroded away and is now gone.
Oh yeah, and when you stash your beat up car, assuming the "paintball golf ball gps unit" is still attached. Stop by an airport, find a plane that is about to take off, and stash it on somebody's carry on. Or if you can't find that, watch for one of those ninja bikes, and when he stops for gas, tag him with it, he should give them a run for the moeny. Or barring all t
Re:Shoot back (Score:4, Insightful)
Similar idea, more effective payload (Score:2)
The method being proposed does not prevent the chase. It only allows the police to hang back a little because they have to be close enough to not give the criminal a head start on a foot chase.
Someone running from the police at high speed is wielding a deadly weapon against the public. Use of lethal force is unquestionably justified, but the police can't just shoot at these folks in most situations due to the danger of missing and hitting a civilian.
Why not just replace the payload on these things with
Saw this on a TV show (Score:2, Interesting)
RF Jamming (Score:4, Interesting)
It wouldn't take that long (Score:3, Insightful)
Tag 'em and bag 'em may not sound glamorous but I for one welcome our new sticky dart, GPS tracking overlords. It'll be safer for everyone.
Will not work (Score:3, Funny)
A smarter system (Score:3, Insightful)
rj
Re:Ok... (Score:5, Insightful)
Better to let them think he has outstarted the police and hopefully back off a little bit.
High tensions and a rush hour road or pedestrian town centre don't generally mix.
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Liability (Score:5, Insightful)
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Re:Liability (Score:2)
In many cases the criminal may be found to be acting irrationally because he's mentally ill or on drugs. If so, the police should be liable because they know what's likely to happen if they start chasing someone who's acting crazy. In the case of mental illness, the criminal is unlikely to be effectively held liable anyway.
The ability to sue the police over this is a good thing, because there are already too many high speed chases that put innocent
Re:Liability (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Ok... (Score:3, Insightful)
As mentioned above, high speed pursuits are extremely dangerous,and usually the police will want to back off if they are in a built-up area and they can track the perpetrator via other methods without aggravating them further.
>"but chance are the cost makes it very impractical."
As opposed to, say, smashing a patrol car or two, before slamming in to some unfortunate motorist who just happens to be crossing an intersection, America's Greatest Po
Re:Ok... (Score:2, Informative)
Costs? (Score:4, Insightful)
This is basically cheap ass battery and GPS unit that is so over produced today they are cheaper than peanuts. By Peanuts I mean slightly premium quality ones, that may costs 30$ a unit.
And glue, well, that isn't exactly expensive, add on some air based cannon, not very expensive at all.
Of course, the whole process of development is expensive, so you should be glad when such development that your taxes goes into comes out with something that can reduce get aways, dangerous chases and crime.
Re:Why try to hit the car with anything at all. (Score:3, Insightful)
Quite aside from that... what about manual transmissions? And what happens when somebody figures out how to do it? No. Way too dangerous an idea. Far and above, the safest thing to do in a "high speed" chase is tag the car and break off the chase. Let them think they've gotten away, so they can slow down to a more sane speed, and then pick them up when t