New Honda Accord Drives Itself 398
pmenefee writes "Japanese car manufacturer Honda has launched a new self-driven car. Dubbed Honda Accord ADAS, the vehicle can change gears and steer itself around bends. While the auto-pilot function will currently only operate on motorways and dual carriageways, officials at Honda believe that future ADAS models will tackle all roads."
Dupe, dedupe dupe dupe! (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Dupe, dedupe dupe dupe! (Score:3, Funny)
It's dubbed Honda Accord ADAS.
Not, duped.
Sweet! (Score:5, Funny)
Bartender! Another shot!
Re:Sweet! (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Sweet! (Score:4, Interesting)
Most laws are worded that as long as you're physically able to start the car (possession of the keys), it's as bad as plowing through a bunch of little kids.
Re:Sweet! (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Sweet! (Score:2)
Re:Sweet! (Score:3, Interesting)
That said, it seems like the #1 problem with drunk driving is staying in your lane and keeping the right speed.
Are you kidding? (Score:2)
I don't know the way home now! Seriously, I just moved to a new house in a new state. I have a Magellan Roadmate 700. If it were to quit working, I wouldn't be able to get home tonight.
Re:Sweet! (Score:5, Insightful)
Staying in lane is easy. Realizing that the truck in the junction ahead hasn't made eye contact and is about to pull out in front of you is harder.. and you can't automate that.
Re:Sweet! (Score:4, Funny)
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But.... (Score:2)
I supsect the common ones are:
1) speeding
2) not keeping a safe distance
3) poor lane control
4) out of date vehical tags/tail light out etc..
5) failing to signal for a turn
6) failing to stop at a stop light
If the car can more or less take care of 1-3 then it does reduce your chances of getting caught.
Unfortunately the US still has a culture where it's considered acceptable to drink and
Re:Sweet! (Score:5, Funny)
What's a dual-carriagway? (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:What's a dual-carriagway? (Score:2, Informative)
Re:What's a dual-carriagway? (Score:3, Insightful)
Maybe among the 50 million native speakers of modern English in the UK but not among the several hundred million in the US.
The term "Interstate", "Freeway", "Highway" are common amongst native speakers of modern English, how many people in the UK do you think would know what they refer to?
Re:What's a dual-carriagway? (Score:5, Insightful)
I've often heard that the first step to wisdom is calling things by their correct name; if this bloke needs some clarification and isn't too proud to admit it should he be marked a troll? He's a hell of a lot better off than the idiots who think they know what it means when they don't.
Re:What's a dual-carriagway? (Score:2)
If you don't know the word, look it up instead of bitching.
Re:What's a dual-carriagway? (Score:2)
Re:What's a dual-carriagway? (Score:3, Funny)
Re:What's a dual-carriagway? (Score:2, Informative)
They usually have two lanes on each side.
Re:What's a dual-carriagway? (Score:3, Insightful)
As a cyclist, I'm pretty worried about how safe these auto driving vehicles are; how optimised they are for things in the road. Its one thing to have a car that brakes if you are about to hit something, another to have the thing make steering decisions too. Al
Re:What's a dual-carriagway? (Score:5, Funny)
It'll scare the horses out of their wits! Huzzah! 23 skidoo!
Re:What's a dual-carriagway? (Score:2)
Re:What's a dual-carriagway? (Score:2)
Re:What's a dual-carriagway? (Score:3, Informative)
Not to be confused with a 'two-lane' road which has one carriageway divided into four (two in each direction).
Cheers, Justin.
Re:What's a dual-carriagway? (Score:2)
Re:What's a dual-carriagway? (Score:2, Informative)
A dual carriageway is a road, seperated by *something* in the middle, that has 2 lanes going one way, and 2 lanes going the other. Unlike a motorway, they do not usually have a hardshoulder. The maximum speed limit on a dual carriageway, like a motorway, is 70mph, unless otherwise stated.
Learner drivers aren't allowed on motorways, but they are allowed on dual carriageways. On a dual carriageway you are required to stay in the left hand land unless you n
Re:What's a dual-carriagway? (Score:3, Informative)
You're right in what people colloquially refer to, though.
Re:What's a dual-carriagway? (Score:2)
Keeping things simple Dual carrageway = Divided Highway & Motorway = Freeway. Thanks to The American's guide to speaking British.: http://www.effingpot.com/ [effingpot.com]
Re:What's a dual-carriagway? (Score:2)
Re:What's a dual-carriagway? (Score:3, Funny)
*SMASH* (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:*SMASH* (Score:2)
Re:*SMASH* (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:*SMASH* (Score:2)
It'd be easier to navigate by curb than by stripes.
In Soviet Russia... (Score:5, Funny)
Okay, now I'm just confused
Re:In Soviet Russia... (Score:2)
Obligatory (Score:5, Funny)
*Crash*
Carl: Yeah, one of those American robot cars...
Had to say it... (Score:2, Funny)
*ducks*
beep beep beep (Score:2, Insightful)
You've got to be kidding. Who is going to drive (and I use the term loosely per the subject) a car that beeps at them every ten seconds?
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Re:beep beep beep (Score:4, Informative)
Similarly, aircraft have indicators that let the pilots know that the autopilot is in control and what mode the autopilot is in. It's kind of important to know for sure that a vehicle that can and will kill you if it crashes is under control by either a human or an automation system.
Re:beep beep beep (Score:5, Funny)
Re:beep beep beep (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:beep beep beep (Score:2)
It isn't too hard to get used to it especially when the common traffic speed on Japanese freeeways tends to be around 120Km/h when it isn't 10Km/h.
Re:beep beep beep (Score:2)
I think is part of the point. Either it is going to annoy you so much you won't use the system or you will get used to it and not realize it is on. I don't really see how it is going to make you pay attention.
What a gift for carjackers (Score:2)
It's about time (Score:5, Funny)
Aibo kept getting us lost when I was too drunk to drive.
Interesting, but haven't the forgotten something (Score:2)
Isn't this likely to cause carnage the first time you hit
a contraflow system.
Phil
note (Score:2)
so there goes the "fun", I have to tap it regularly not to make it feel deprived..
Huh, cars've been doing this all along! (Score:2)
And yes, I do have a lot of time on my hands today (I think someone's stealing CPU cycles from my computer to help calculate Bill Gates' taxes...)
Unfortunate Liability (Score:5, Interesting)
Jerry
http://www.networkstrike.com/ [networkstrike.com]
Re:Unfortunate Liability (Score:2)
Re:Unfortunate Liability (Score:2)
No, the manufacturers will just place a sticker over the car's doors at the dealership that say:
"By breaking this seal, you agree to absolve Big Car Maker, Inc. of any and all liability for damages due to defective materials, bad programming, and improper maintenence of this vehicle. Please see the owner's manual for complete liability waiver."
That ought to take care of it.
Do I have to say it? (Score:4, Interesting)
Personally, I would much rather have a robot driving a car than a teenager. Or an old person. Or a drunk. Or somebody on a cellphone. Or me, when I'm daydreaming, frankly. Who hasn't experienced that thing where you jerk alert and suddenly realize some part of your brain you're not even aware of has been driving for the last 45 minutes - on the freeway, at 75 mph - while the rest of your head has been somewhere else?
There will still be wrecks, but I think we'll have fewer of 'em. I'll take my chances with the robots.
Really, one HUGE problem in this country is that nobody understands risk assessment. It's the kind of ignorance that gave us the completely ineffective PATRIOT Act in response to 9/11.
Re:Do I have to say it? (Score:4, Insightful)
I agree that a computer doesn't get distracted or tired. It does require proper maintenance, but then so do your brakes.
We are in the unfortunate time right now, where the systems are only useful under limited real-world conditions, basically in good weather on highways with no construction. That's still a big chunk of driving miles, and I'd love to be able to use something like this while I'm doing highway driving in good weather on interstates with no construction. (There must be a couple of miles of interstate not under construction somewhere near here... right?) And this system, due to using radar for speed control, is probably safe for night driving too. That's really cool.
But right now, the systems are good for "closed track" driving with other well-behaved cars. It doesn't know street signs, so handling the 4-way Stop intersection would be a bit of a problem. Ditto with traffic lights. Give it another 10 years, and those will become solved problems too.
Then you have to be able to handle kids running into the road in front of you when the ball rolls down the driveway. That's harder.
I'm not bashing these things. I like them. I want them. Really... I drive a Ford F-150, and when Ford did a recall on the old-tech cruise control, I found just how much I use the cruise control as a crutch. They disabled my cruise control for 4 months, while they worked on fixing the problem and distributing parts to the service centers. Try driving 400 miles without cruise control sometime, it's amazing how tired my leg got, just keeping steady pressure on the gas pedal for 7 hours. Ouch.
But these things are still at a point that they require an alert attentive driver watching things. Just like... regular cruise control. Wow. When a car on normal cruise control plows into another vehicle, that is the driver's fault, not the car maker's (assuming that the cruise control did not refuse to disengage). If one of these new-tech cruise controls does the same thing... that is still the driver's fault, and not the car maker's.
But I'm sure a jury would still be happy to award a "Oh, we feel bad for you" award of a few tens of millions of dollars to the family of the first person killed by one of these.
Are you crazy? (Score:3, Insightful)
I read things like this here occasionally and the only way I can make sense of it is by figuring the writer has read too many science fiction books.
There's simply no evidence that computers are capable of handling the number of variables in play when driving on busy roads with people, and I don't see how they ever will on their current dev
Re:Unfortunate Liability (Score:2)
But my main concern is that this only serves to let people use one hand for their cell phone and one for their coffee (I'm sure you can tap their dead man switch with the back of your hand), and then w
Re:Unfortunate Liability (Score:2, Informative)
Ex-river? (Score:2)
How hard is this, really? (Score:2)
Here's what I'm thinking:
Re:At some point this just becomes light rail (Score:2)
Toyota, too? (Score:2)
human vs computer (Score:2)
Re:human vs computer (Score:2)
Re:human vs computer (Score:2)
You hit it on the head, though... a human can never be guaranteed to be unpanicked in all situations. The computer never panicks. As long as the computer is well programmed and has sufficient failsafes, it will be more reliable than a human. It's all going to come down to the programming.
Some interesting driving ahead. (Score:2)
Imagine the lawsuits! (Score:2)
1. How on Earth would it cope with extremely snowy and icy conditions? Heavy rain? Fog? Radar and imaging will have a heck of a time in less than perfect environments.
2. Accident avoidance becomes a huge isse with an aut
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Sounds Familiar (Score:2)
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Not quite yet... (Score:4, Interesting)
The car also had built in GPS with maps, and seemed to be able to drive itself anywhere, though not from the exact beginning to the exact end (it relied on humans for such things as parking.)
Does this new Honda have any of this? Being able to have the car hold your position is helpful, especially because it will allow you to pay greater attention to other driving matters, such as cars surrounding you and judging your next turn off (though, at least in America, it will just allow Soccer Mom's to apply more make-up, sigh.)
Can the Honda steer around cars that are going too slow? Say it's set to a +/-10 mile variance; if a car in front of you is going 10 miles slower than you want to go (or the speed limit allows, depending on how its set up), will the car automatically work around it? What if a car is coming up behind you too fast; will it move over to let the other car pass?
Can it navigate itself off of highways? We already have GPS-enabled systems that inform you when a turn or exit is coming up that you need to take; how well could they integrate that into the car steering itself?
What happens if the road lines dissappear or become unreadable, be it from construction or wear? Does it hold a straight course, alerting you right away? Does it slow down? Or is it looking far enough ahead that it would have enough time to alert you to resume manual control?
Does it merely watch the road, or does it calculate the shape? What if a car changes lanes in front of you, blocking the camera from seeing the lines, and right after the road goes straight after being a curve? What will the car do? Will it have enough data to know the road it about to straighten?
I love the idea of a car driving itself, if only because that means less asshats on the road (their car, unmodded, will certainly respect road rules and common decency, even if its owner doesn't.) However, there are a lot of questions I have before I feel safe driving in one of these. Also, I'm sure someone will figure out within a month how to clip something onto the steering wheel to make it think that someone is touching it. (Or, the stupid parents will just tell their kid in the passenger to reach over and touch the steering wheel, while said stupid parent goes on talking on a cell or grroming his/herself or whatever.)
And heaven help us if it runs Windows.
I live for the day (Score:2)
Either go all the way with the concept or stick with driver assist options. And we're going to need to give the auto pilot developers some type of insurance or immunity early on or no one will want to risk the liability issues of self-driving cars.
There will be bugs and some of those bugs will tur
Re:I live for the day (Score:2)
Scary Scary World (Score:3, Insightful)
While science fiction, and apparently car companies, suggest that this is a possibility, here are two reasons why this will never happen:
1) All or Nothing. Either ALL cars on the road are self driven, or none are. The moment you get a human interacting with computer driven cars, all chaos will result. No computer system, radar system, and automated response system can anticipate a drunk human driver swerving across 6 lanes of traffic at 100 mph in order to make an exit.
2) Too many degrees of freedom. The car has too many degrees of freedom that affect safety. Tire wear, engine wear, body wear, road conditions, weather conditions and unexpected obstacles like rocks, tree branches, other debris, animals, or other people act against the safe driving of a vehicle. A computer can't take all these degrees of freedom into account. An auto driven car with lousy tires, paired with poor weather and icy roads won't be able to swerve in time to avoid a deer that suddenly dashes out on the road. A human might see the deer emerging from the woods long before it dashes out on the road, a human knows what to do when seeing a deer approach the road. A computer might interpret the deer as a stationary obstacle on the side of the road and take no precautions like slowing down to avoid hitting it if it suddenly moves.
Auto driven cars only work in a few carefully controlled conditions, not in real life. Perhaps an automated highway system is the only application for automated cars, one that prevents external influence like weather and animals and other humans, but it would require billions in infrastructure changes to make highways safe and usable as automated freeways.
The concept just isn't practical. I for one will stop driving if I had to use or contend with computer driven vehicles. While humans are infinitely capable of bad driving, knowing I can react to whatever some brain dead human driver can throw at me makes me feel safe as opposed to allowing a computer to decide how to react to unexpected (and unprogrammed for) conditions.
Re:Scary Scary World (Score:3, Insightful)
I can think of at least one more: liability.
Overhaul (Score:2)
You could probably fit A LOT of cars on the road and through intersections if you only had to mathematically ensure they didn't collide.
Switching mirrors (Score:2)
Let's hope that after the UK trial they remember to switch mirrors...
Great for Cell Phone Users (Score:4, Funny)
So what if you do take a nap? (Score:2)
So what if you do, for whatever reason, neglect to touch the steering wheel every ten seconds? After beeping for ten minutes does it just shut itself off and send your car carreening over a cliff? slam on the brakes in the midd
Obligatory pr0n reference (Score:3, Funny)
Perfect for the Do-It-Yourself Twilight Zone (Score:2)
Then, buy a bunch of these Honda ADAS, set them loose and...Voila!
Your very own Twilight Zone isolation nightmare!
so can it... (Score:3, Insightful)
Can it read signs? Judge weather conditions and drive appropriately? Respond appropriately if the vehicle gets out of control (say, crosses a patch of ice?), or if something unexpected happens?
Well, neither can most of the people on the road today.
Here's a shocker: let's give people a better education in how to drive, than spend billions on cars that "drive themselves".
Amazingly, it pays off in the long run, because parents have to teach their children how to drive (in many cases). The overall work needed to "educate" society in how to drive, drops over time. Eventually, we become less of a danger to ourselves on the roads, so that having 9 airbags instead of 2 doesn't become quite an issue.
Of course, it'd also be nice if highschools spent a few days in physics class on how physics affects cars (ie, basic vehicle dynamics.) Then again, that'd acknowledge a need to teach students real-world, useful information in school, instead of theoretical skills. When was the last time you saw "how to figure out if you're getting ripped a new one on your home mortgage" on a math teacher's curriculum?
Won't work in Boston (Score:2)
Re:In Soviet Russia.... (Score:2, Funny)
Re:no info on website (Score:3, Informative)
Re:no info on website (Score:2)
So you can't find the info because in
Re:no info on website (Score:2)
Purple neon kit, stupidsized spoiler, spinning rims, what else?
beauty of news.. (Score:2)
Re:I want one... (Score:2)
Re:Sorry, I'm an American... (Score:4, Informative)
down your highways, while ensuring that you keep your frees onto the freeway.
A dual carriageway is a road which is not a motorway which has a physical divider
(ie not just a white line painted on the road) between vehicles heading in different
directions. A single carriageway is a road which just has the white line.
There are different regulations and speed limits on the two. Unless told other wise
you can travel at 70 down a dual carriageway, but only 60 down a single. (Actually,
it also depends on the kind of vehicle--minibus can only go 50 on a single, 60 on a dual).
Phil
Re:Sorry, I'm an American... (Score:2, Funny)
Yellow Lines & Snow (Score:2)
What about low visibility conditions, like snow and rain?
Re:Sorry, I'm an American... (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Sorry, I'm an American... (Score:2)
Re:Language issue (Score:2)
Dual carriageway - Divided highway. All have a 70mph speed limit unless indicated (posted) otherwise.
Motorway - Freeway. Very strict rules apply to motorways, only drive faster than 100mph if you are happy to lose your licence (or are very good at haggling!). Always drive in the slow lane, unless overtaking (or risk being arrested). Always enter and exit via slip roads on the left hand side.
Re:Language issue (Score:2)
dual carriageway = divided highway. i'm guessing not necessarily limited access.
Re:Cruise Control (Score:2)
He didn't make it