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New Catalyst May Be a Boost For Fuel Cells

Posted by Zonk on Fri Nov 02, 2007 03:37 PM
from the don't-forget-to-reverse-the-polarity dept.
Roland Piquepaille writes "Researchers at the University of Houston (UH) have developed a new platinum-based catalyst for fuel cells that is at least four times more efficient and cheaper than existing catalysts. This discovery in fuel cell research may ease reliance on gasoline. According to the researchers, the active phase of the catalyst consists of nanoparticles with a platinum-rich shell and a core made of an alloy of copper, cobalt, and platinum. But it's not enough for this new catalyst to be more efficient and cheaper than a pure platinum one. It also needs to work for a long time — say, the life of a car. So far, the preliminary results look promising, but longer-term testing is needed before this kind of fuel cells can be used to power your car."
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Roland Piquepaille writes "You probably know that it is easy to combine hydrogen and oxygen to make water. After all, this chemical reaction is known for more than two centuries. But now, researchers at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign (UIUC) have discovered a new way to make water. As states the UIUC report, 'not only can they make water from unlikely starting materials, such as alcohols, their work could also lead to better catalysts and less expensive fuel cells.' But be warned: don't read the technical paper itself. It could win an obfuscated contest — if such a contest existed for scientific papers." Yet another advance in fuel cell technology; we discussed a different one just the other day.
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  • by SolusSD (680489) on Friday November 02 2007, @03:48PM (#21217377) Homepage
    This technology has been 15 to 20 years off for the past 10 years. Improvements in battery technology are here, and cost would come down (much more quickly than fuel cells) if more companies jumped on the electric car bandwagon. We need more companies like this: www.teslamotors.com
    • by evanbd (210358) on Friday November 02 2007, @04:01PM (#21217539)

      For now, it's batteries. But in the not too distant future, it may well be supercapacitors. Supercapacitors now are about a factor of ten away from lithium-ion batteries; improvements that are currently in labs appear to be able to remove most or all of that gap. Right now supercapacitors are expensive, but once the market starts growing they should come down in price. There are relatively fundamental limits to how much better traditional batteries can get in terms of capacity, but the apparent limits on supercapacitors are phenomenal. It might be 10 years before they see serious use, but I imagine small-scale use will be here sooner than that, especially if the rumors [arstechnica.com] are to be believed.

      Fuel cells are interesting, but I think that direct electrical storage through batteries and later supercapacitors is more likely to actually work out.

      • yes supercapacitors are a great (future) option too. the real advantage to forgoing the entire "hydrogen infrustructure" is you can store electricity however you want and you can generate it using several means. Electric cars are effectively "future proof". We can use everything from fossil fuels, to solar power, to antimatter to generate electricity!
      • But how they will handle stealing of energy then? I can cut a wire anywhere in the wild and steal millions of Euros worth of energy into my suitcase (or car).
        • I can cut a wire anywhere in the wild and steal millions of Euros worth of energy


          Right now, you can drill a hole in a pipeline anywhere in the wild and steal millions of Euros worth of gasoline. Now, if only gasoline had a price high enough to compensate the risk of getting caught...

        • by TooMuchToDo (882796) on Friday November 02 2007, @05:11PM (#21218357)
          I think the problem of a person cutting a 700K volt transmission line in the middle of nowhere is self-solving.
    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      Perhaps you aren't aware that the first production fuel cell vehicle is going to be available to the public this coming January? Yes, diesels are the most efficient method right now and more people should be driving them. But this fuel cell Equinox is extremely impressive. Has the interior room of a normal small SUV, and of course the zero emmissions etc.

      Also, the Tesla car is hardly anything remarkable. It costs $100,000 and is basically just a Lotus Elise/Opel Speedster with an electric drive-train re
      • Here's the linkage: Chevy fuel cell Equinox [autoweek.com]
      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        You have fun trying to get hydrogen to fuel your "production fuel cell car." I, on the other hand, am going to take my 2008 Tesla Roadster (already have my production number) that I can charge anywhere and enjoy my low emission driving (in northern Illinois, all power provided is generated at nuclear power plants via ComEd). And yes, nuclear power is cleaner than coal generation. Google for it.
        • No need to take offense and tell me to google things! You are agreeing with me -- EVs are the ultimate future and we need nuclear power instead of coal. Fuel cells for the electricity will be even better.

          That's great you have a Tesla, I'm just saying it's nothing like a mass production car -- it's a Lotus Elise/Opel Speedster with the drive-line swapped for electric and new bodywork. That's a terrific chassis and I hear the batteries are the newest and the propulsion system great too.
      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        Are you sure that, per kWH, a modern IC automotive engine is cleaner than a modern coal-fired plant?
        • Actually, hydrogen mostly comes from electrolysis... If you read the article I linked to, you would see what the plan is on getting hydrogen.
    • They suck for cars. Period. More efficient than gas, sure. But:
       
      1. Requires a complete infrastructure rework, just like electric would.
      2. Still lower efficiency.
      3. Harder to implement in a vehicle, requiring much more exotic material for efficient energy storage vs. battery tech we already have.
       
      I just want an electric car. Ok, actually, I want an affordable (sub-40k) Tesla Roadster-style car, but with four seats and a trunk.
    • I believe biofuel (diesel and alcohol), battery/super capacitor and fuel cell will all get used in the (future) vehicles for some time at some degree. All of them have their own pros and cons. (You may figure out that all of them suck and all of them are promising at some points.) Technology will evolve and products will compete together. If we jump into a conclusion too fast, we are going to make mistakes. This is not a political or religion movement. It's not black and white. It's a war of green, war
      • Ethanol is just a corn subsidy and takes more energy to farm than we get out of it. Bio-diesel makes good sense if you already generate bio waste that you're paying to dispose of, but simply doesn't scale.

        Cars will move off of oil when someone figures out a better energy storage device than anyone has yet. Chemical batteries just don't provide an energy density acceptable to most consumers. Other forms of high-density energy storage are far more dangerous than gasoline, and so are impractical for cars.
      • Show me a fuel cell that can break 50% efficiency when you include the electrolysis process. Lithium cells are already well over 90%. "Making power" means being over 100% efficient.

        A fuel cell is just a fancy battery, and not a particularly good one.

  • Summary (Score:5, Insightful)

    by should_be_linear (779431) on Friday November 02 2007, @03:50PM (#21217405)
    I extracted 4 key words from TFA : ...may...may...promising...testing.
  • Even if this is a proven method, there's also a cost obstacle to overcome here. Platinum is already used in catalytic converters and those of us who, unfortunately, have a ULEV (Ultra Low Emission Vehicle) Honda Accord ought to know that their converter costs an arm and a leg. FYI: A retail catalytic converter for a ULEV car costs ~$1,800! (It has high platinum density) I managed to get an after market part for $650, and even then that's about twice what you would pay for a normal converter. The point is, t
    • You mean, lithium-ion, right?
    • by Ungrounded Lightning (62228) on Friday November 02 2007, @04:45PM (#21218059) Journal
      Even if this is a proven method, there's also a cost obstacle to overcome here.

      The point of the article is that
        - the previous Platinum-based catalyst was about 6 times too expensive to be practical for an automotive application, while
        - this one is more than a factor of 6 cheaper, putting it in the running.

      In other words they've crossed the affrordability threshold.

      If the lifetime testing works out, no roadblocks show up, and something better doesn't come along and obsolete it before it gets deployed, expect this one to actually show up in cars.
      • Which really means it will go up as people get forced out of the rampant consumerism lifestyle.
        If you really believe that crap, I'm sure there's a Vietnamese peasant somewhere who would gladly trade for your current situation.
        • Yes, that exactly what he delights at the thought of, the sadistic bastard: the suffering of those who have to shop at Walmart to make ends meet.
  • by Pedrito (94783) on Friday November 02 2007, @04:03PM (#21217573) Homepage
    Some researchers at Purdue [purdue.edu] came up with a technique back in May that's probably better than this. It uses a Gallium/Aluminum alloy. Aluminum, when exposed to water, produces hydrogen and aluminum oxide. Normally aluminum produces an aluminum oxide layer immediately on any exposed surface, preventing further reaction. This alloy doesn't have that problem. It's unclear precisely how much platinum they require for this process from the news release, but Platinum is far more expensive than either Aluminum or Gallium. Another advantage is that the Gallium is unaffected and can be reused, while the aluminum oxide can readily be converted back to pure aluminum through Fused Salt Electrolysis. The cost of aluminum would make the cost of using this more than the equivalent of the current ~$3/gallon of gas. If there were enough demand and, using the recycling method, the cost of aluminum could be brought down to make it cheaper than the current cost of gas, however. Of course, electricity for the electrolysis has its own environmental impact...
  • by Doc Ruby (173196) on Friday November 02 2007, @05:15PM (#21218391) Homepage Journal
    The breakthrough in fuel cells will come when they can deliver 50% or better efficiency from gasoline. Then the dinosaur egg will finally have hatched a chicken, which can then lay a chicken egg: other fuels that fuel cells, and their dependent motors/transmissions/etc, can use. That is a much more likely transition scenario than getting the fuels first, or switching to fuel cells and their fuels simultaneously.
  • Bah (Score:3, Insightful)

    by tsotha (720379) on Friday November 02 2007, @07:17PM (#21219763)

    This discovery in fuel cell research may ease reliance on gasoline.

    I don't see how this will do anything to ease the reliance on gasoline. A fuel cell isn't a power source per se - the power still comes from whatever you're feeding it. Whatever you're using as a fuel still requires a power input. This won't do a damn thing for energy independence unless it's coupled with a massive nuclear power plant construction program. And don't go on about wind and solar - even maxed out they barely make a dent.

    When that nuclear program finally starts, it's gonna be another decade, at least, before we see any benefit. So assuming they get whatever kinks they have out of the process today, and assuming auto manufacturers rush headlong into production (five year delay), and assuming ignorant opposition ot nuclear power can be overcome in those five years, the earliest this will have any displacement effect on oil is fifteen years from now.

    Which, in all practicality, means we'll all be dead before any of this happens.

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      This discovery in fuel cell research may ease reliance on gasoline.

      I don't see how this will do anything to ease the reliance on gasoline. A fuel cell isn't a power source per se - the power still comes from whatever you're feeding it. Whatever you're using as a fuel still requires a power input. This won't do a damn thing for energy independence unless it's coupled with a massive nuclear power plant construction program.

      How about a coal power plant program? I mean, I realize your agenda is clearly "clean power", but you've slipped into another sometimes-overlapping agenda (really the "foreign oil dependence" one), and this really would make a change in that one. I think you'll find that if you can surpress the need to sound off on your personal set of agendas, you might find yourself able to better engage in thoughtful sociopolitical discourse.

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      If the catalyst is useful in a gasoline -> reformer -> hydrogen -> fuel cell -> electricity -> electric motor -> power to the wheel system, and that system is more efficient than a gasoline IC engine, it eases the reliance on gasoline. Q.E.D..
    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      And don't go on about wind and solar - even maxed out they barely make a dent.

      The available solar energy on Earth more than 5,000 times [wikipedia.org] the total amount of energy used by all mankind. It's a pretty big dent. Oh, and wind energy is "only" 200 times.
    • Gotta be the name. Platinum credit cards, platinum blondes, platinum membership....
    • Because it's expensive! You get what you pay for.
      • Why can't we just bypass all these 'catalyst' intermediate steps, and just go for perfecting the Mr. Fusion © system and be done with it all?
    • by fizzup (788545) on Friday November 02 2007, @03:52PM (#21217437)

      Platinum is good at binding gas molecules to its surface (adsorbing them), which changes the nature of their electron clouds. This helps overcome the the van der Waals forces that hold them together or apart, making them more likely to react.

      Nobody knows for certain just why platinum is good at adsorbing gas molecules to its surface.

    • by westcoaster004 (893514) on Friday November 02 2007, @04:52PM (#21218123)
      The original journal articles for those interested in more than a press release:

      Efficient Oxygen Reduction Fuel Cell Electrocatalysis on Voltammetrically Dealloyed Pt-Cu-Co Nanoparticles (Strasser et al., Angewandte Chemie International Edition)
      http://dx.doi.org/10.1002/anie.200703331 [doi.org]

      Electrocatalysis on Bimetallic Surfaces: Modifying Catalytic Reactivity for Oxygen Reduction by Voltammetric Surface Dealloying (Koh & Strasser)
      http://dx.doi.org/10.1021/ja0742784 [doi.org]

      To fully answer that question would take a whole course on organometallic chemistry to explain, but it has to do with the d-electron configuration of the platinum, (d8), which results in organometallic compounds which can be either square planar or octahedral. The ability to switch between these structures (and related oxidation states) allows for transitions and bonding between the states which allows for the creation of intermediates necessary for catalytic reactions. Bulk platinum (i.e. as a heterogeneous catalyst [wikipedia.org]) also has d-electrons available at the metal surface which can form bonding and anti-bonding ( = bond breaking) bonds with small molecules. Essentially when it is reacting with, say, hydrogen gas, the H2 adsorbs onto the surface and, each atom forming a bond with one Pt atom's d-orbital [wikipedia.org].

      A good book might be Heterogeneous Catalysts for the Synthetic Chemist (Google Book Search) [google.com]
    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      In addition to what's already been said, platinum is very resistant to being corroded even under very nasty conditions. Thus, it doesn't get used up in the process in which it's taking part.
    • The money those people would make from gasoline would make a LOT more money with a fuel cell vehicles.

      Create a practical fuel cell vehicles, own the patents, use you influence to ban combustion vehicles.

      Welcome to trillion dollar land.

    • Re:Who's car? (Score:5, Informative)

      by Geoffrey.landis (926948) on Friday November 02 2007, @03:54PM (#21217467) Homepage
      And, most notably, because fuel cells run on hydrogen, and you can't buy that at a gas station. Hydrogen is very difficult to store, because it has very low density and a high leak rate in most tanks.

      In fact, fuel cells can run on other materials, e.g., methane, but this is typically done by the simple trick of using a reformer to produce hydrogen from the methane, and running that hydrogen in a fuel cell. And this can be difficult if the source of the methane is less than extremely pure; in that a lot of common impurities can poison either the catalyst or the reformer.

      So, without a good means of storing hydrogen, it's not at all clear that advances in fuel cell technology are terribly useful.

      Still, gotta start somewhere...

      • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

        Yes, but going back to economics, the more effective and thus desirable the fuel cells are, the more incentive there is to do research on storing hydrogen.
      • I can make hydrogen at my house from either a) electricy and water or b) natural gas (all three are items I can pull from utilities at my home). I see this is making it much harder for a cartel to restrict my access to the substance.
      • The best way of storing hydogen is probably metal hydrides [wikipedia.org], and the practical metal hydrides require a platinum catalyst, so advances in platinum catalyst technology are, well, terribly useful.
    • You can get hydrogen from water, for example. It does require energy to extract that hydrogen, but you can use nuclear, wind, or solar power to perform that extraction. The reality is that oil is very unlikely to factor in to producing hydrogen. Unfortunately, coal is the most likely means for producing the requisite energy. For those whose only goal is to liberate us from dependence on Mid-East oil, it's a win. For those of us who care about the environment, it depends on what the energy source is, and is very likely a loss.
      • You can look at it as a loss, or you can look at it as a stepping stone. The move from oil run cars to wind run cars is simply never going to happen, and if by some miracle it did happen, it will be a very long time coming. It is a chicken and egg scenario. You simply cannot reduce the use of oil if every car on the planet uses it to run. If you can get the cars to run off of electricity delivered via hydrogen as a carrier, you have a foot in the door. Even if in the short run, the electricity is gener
        • That's not a bad way to look at it. I appreciate your optimism. I'm afraid I'm a little more cynical, in that I believe that the coal industry has their hands in far too many legislator's pockets (of both parties).
          • Whether the coal industry has any say in the matter will depend on whether a home electrolysis device can be produced. Home generation of electricity is a genie that is already out of the bottle. If there was a reasonable way to store it (i.e. hydrogen) and convert it back to electricity on demand, you would see more and more people move that direction.

            I had been under the impression though that most fuel cells could work both ways. If you applied electricity, you could get hydrogen out.
            • This is quite insightful. If there were a good way of *storing* power generated at home, there'd be no stopping it. Solar cells are (in most areas) good value for money for power generation already, but since they aren't dependable, you still need the power company, and since the power isn't portable, you still need the gas station.

              Add a magic battery to the mix, and now you don't need the power company *or* the gas station, you just need a new roof. This kind of self-sufficiency is very appealing in muc
      • I think what the parent post was getting at, that you seem to have missed, is that there are MANY more coal/oil/gas fired electricity producing plants online than there are for other sources. Thusly, we ARE buring Oil (or Coal, or NG/LNG) to make hydrogen.

        Now, if you could pair hydrogen generation up with solar/wind power, we'd be ahead (by how much could be debated -- with all the areas of the US (not to mention other areas) under serious drought conditions now, using the water we do have would be silly,
      • Typically we get hydrogen via electrolysis


        No, that's only done in the food industry, where hydrogen cannot be contaminated by carbon monoxide. The lowest cost way to produce hydrogen is to run a stream of superheated steam over red-hot coal. Carbon combines with the oxygen in the water molecules, releasing hydrogen in the exchange.