iMacs Freshened with 2.0 GHz G5, Bluetooth, WiFi 790
amichalo writes "Apple has updated the popular consumer level Mac, the iMac G5.
So better support the now standard Mac OS X Tiger, Apple has made significant improvements to all standard configurations including 512MB RAM, Radeon 9600 128MB graphics, and on 2.0 GHz models (17" and 20"), a slot-loading dual-layer 8x SuperDrive is standard. The 1.8 GHz 17" model includes a slot-loading Combo Drive.
Also standard are Apple's AirPort Extreme 802.11g WiFi and Bluetooth. Pricing remains at $1300, $1500, and $1800 respectively for 1.8 GHz 17", 2.0 GHz 17", and 2.0 GHz 20", though 2.0 GHz models include additional upgraded features.
These improvements are significant as this line has not seen a refresh in about a year and the upgrade to a Radeon 9600 graphics card will allow the new iMac to take better advantage of Tiger features such as Core Image, which is significant because the video card cannot be upgraded. Lastly, Apple is continuing the interactive chat and QuickTime support program for the iMac G5."
I see a trend .. (Score:3, Funny)
Re:I see a trend .. (Score:5, Insightful)
I'm not a fanboy, but I've never liked the way chips are advertised by clock-speed, it's quite misleading.
Re:I see a trend .. (Score:5, Informative)
Compare Processor "Speeds" at this site (Score:3, Informative)
Worth bookmarking.
Re:I see a trend .. (Score:5, Funny)
game (Score:4, Funny)
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(Speaking of which, has anyone still got a copy floating around ? I need something for my Mac Plus to do when it isn't being a clock...)
Re:game (Score:3, Interesting)
Shufflepuck Cafe was fun, but actually, I had more fun breaking the copy protection on it, than I did actually playing it. They did some nice tricks that made breaking that one a bit of a puzzle.
Re:game (Score:5, Funny)
I thought not.
PC's RULE!!!
(For the youngins: The "format a floppy while..." is one of the arguments used back when Macs had floppies and cooperative multi-tasking and Windows PCs had pre-emptive (to a degree) multi-tasking to prove that PCs were superior.)
Re:game (Score:3, Insightful)
Not that the Mac users can do much about that, really. But I, personally, wish I weren't locked into one particular architecture just because I enjoy playing ga
macgamestore.com also launched today (Score:4, Informative)
Re:game (Score:5, Funny)
Good start...
I like computer golf the best
...bad finish.
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Scientists are also ... (Score:5, Insightful)
But lets not dwell on the snide tone of your comment. Have you ever tried to get work done on a Mac vs. Windows/Linux PC? I have done serious work all three and I rate the OS.X as first (and it took a major step forward with Spotlight), Linux comes in as a quite close second (largely because it is a bit chaotic and less polished than OS.X) and Windows comes in at a distant third and it's saving grace is mostly the fact that it has a larger and more varied flora of applications than the former two.
Re:game (Score:3, Informative)
Also might want to check out:
http://www.pangeasoft.net/index2.html [pangeasoft.net]
http://www.udevgames.com/ [udevgames.com]
http://www.apple.com/games/ [apple.com]
http://www.versiontracker.com/macosx/cat/games [versiontracker.com]
http://www.macupdate.com/games.php [macupdate.com]
As a side note, the Mac platform has never been known for a wide range of shrink-wrapped software; the main place to find software has always been "online", even before the internet was popular, and people got their software from BBSes.
Any other Mozilla users... (Score:4, Funny)
Any tips or regexps I can use?
Re:Any other Mozilla users... (Score:3, Funny)
echo "127.0.0.1 slashdot.org www.slashdot.org" >>
Freshend? (Score:4, Funny)
Freshend - is that like Freshmeat for your backend? Uh, wait, on second thought... that's really naughty...
Re:Freshend? (Score:5, Funny)
No no no. It's FreshenD a new daemon that works in conjunction with LaunchD to add a fresh pine scent. It is used in conjunction with the new iSmell software/hardware introduced in the latest iMac.
Pine scent?! (Score:5, Funny)
Maybe you're thinking of Microsoft's SmellMe feature (which is rumored to be included with Longhorn). It's a shame--they throw all this money at this cool new feature, but it winds up smelling like a freshly cleaned toilet.
Re:Pine scent?! (Score:5, Funny)
Bah! Proprietary smell technology... On Gentoo linux you just
and you get the freedom of open source smell technology. Granted, it makes compilation smell like burnt cooling fan, but it's open source, man!I hear that the GNU/Aroma will be far superior when it's finished. I wonder what Hurd will smell like then.
Re:Freshend? (Score:4, Funny)
That's Bluetooth 2.0 (Score:5, Informative)
don't forget the emac (Score:5, Informative)
Re:don't forget the emac (Score:5, Interesting)
And does anyone have any info on if apple still runs an upgrade program(if it was bought just before a refresh , i think this one was purchased in february or so ) and how long before the refresh would count. I am going to dig around and call apple myself , but any insight would be much apreciated.
Re:don't forget the emac (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Of course you're screwed, you bought a Mac (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Of course you're screwed, you bought a Mac (Score:3, Funny)
Actually, Windows XP runs fine on my Mac [microsoft.com].
Re:don't forget the emac (Score:4, Informative)
According to http://www.apple.com/support/store/postpurchase.h
One significant thing about the iMac (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:One significant thing about the iMac (Score:3, Informative)
Re:One significant thing about the iMac (Score:5, Interesting)
Apple may have upgraded the bundled videocard just on the basis of component availability/price point, but I doubt this is a significant selling feature.
Re:One significant thing about the iMac (Score:5, Interesting)
You mean it's one generation behind the latest, which most people haven't adopted yet. As for bottom of the line, that's simply untrue--what's a Radeon 9200? This card isn't going to play Doom 3, but it's fine for what most computer users will be doing, and it certainly a welcome upgrade over the GeForce 5200 FX.
Re:One significant thing about the iMac (Score:5, Informative)
This is a marketable point given that the 9600 will take full advantage of Quartz 2D extreme GUI acceleration, whereas the video card below this one will not. So it's a matter of Quartz 2D Extreme support or not. Quartz 2D extreme should make a very large difference in GUI speed, which being a place that OSX has lagged, is a big deal.
Re:One significant thing about the iMac (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:One significant thing about the iMac (Score:3, Informative)
In any case, it doesn't really matter one way or the other. Because Adobe doesn't use Quartz 2D at all. They use QuickDraw. And we're hardly going to stop supporting QuickDraw. We've deprecated it, sure, but it's not going away, specifically because there are thousands of applications out there that depend on it.
Long story short, a fancy-ass graph
Re:One significant thing about the iMac (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:One significant thing about the iMac (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:One significant thing about the iMac (Score:3, Informative)
And it ~was~ a typo, 'i' is right beside 'u' on the keyboard.
Re:One significant thing about the iMac (Score:3, Interesting)
No, Apple designs throw away computers. Apple doesn't want you to be able to upgrade, they want you to have to throw away your investment and give them more money for a new product. I am sure that the Apple fans will come and mod me down, however it is still true. Look at Apple's computer line. ONLY the top of the line most expensive macs are upgradeable. The iMac line is not upgradeable, that is why it is a big deal
Re:One significant thing about the iMac (Score:5, Insightful)
On the other hand, PC hardware changes so rapidly that sometimes an upgrade is practically new system anyway. About a year and a half ago, my 800mhz duron system failed -- cpu fried. I decided I'd use that opportunity to move to an athlon -- this meant a new video card due to incompatability between MB and video card, new ram because old ram wouldn't fit, and a new power supply just to be safe (old one was a 350, I moved up to 500). So by the time I got done, all I had of the "old" computer was the case, burner, and hard drive.
Anyway, it is also true that if you want to upgrade the video on a PC, you might just have to change out the motherboard as well because of rapidly changing plug shapes, voltage levels, or what have you.
Re:One significant thing about the iMac (Score:5, Interesting)
Also, as a large number of people have pointed out, the low-end Power Mac now costs exactly the same as a midrange iMac, so you really can make a pure tradeoff between expandability and a free monitor.
Re:not in my experience (Score:4, Informative)
And yes, the HD and RAM are standard parts, not proprietary Apple stuff. The Airport card is proprietary though.
To Better Support... (Score:3, Funny)
Or else!!
Nearly a year? (Score:3, Informative)
Goodlie English, there! (Score:3, Funny)
looks like the end of the PowerMac (Score:5, Interesting)
iMac $1,499.00
17-inch widescreen LCD
2GHz PowerPC G5
667MHz frontside bus
512K L2 cache
512MB DDR400 SDRAM
160GB Serial ATA hard drive
Slot-load 8x SuperDrive (double-layer)
ATI Radeon 9600
128MB DDR video memory
56K internal modem
PowerMac $1,499.00
1.8GHz PowerPC G5
600MHz frontside bus
512K L2 cache
256MB DDR400 SDRAM
Expandable to 4GB SDRAM
80GB Serial ATA
8x SuperDrive
Three PCI Slots
NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200 Ultra
64MB DDR video memory
56K internal modem
Re:looks like the end of the PowerMac (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:looks like the end of the PowerMac (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:looks like the end of the PowerMac (Score:5, Insightful)
Quite unlikely, since they were updated a couple of weeks ago (to the 2.0-2.7 GHz family). The 1.8 single CPU model - the one used by jest3r in his comparison - was introduced last year and it was never the king of performance. It was even slower than the "original" 1.8 GHz PowerMac G5, due to slower bus clock. It's market niche are the customers who don't want to pay the hefty price for the "real" PowerMacs, but they want a modular computer, so iMac/eMac/Macmini is not an option. This model probably will be updated soon, but it will be purposedly crippled not to make it run too good to damage the high-end models sales.
Re:looks like the end of the PowerMac (Score:5, Informative)
I would agree that the low end Powermac is abit... MMhhh weak, but then the advantage of it is that you can expand it more, another HDD, GFX, more memory.
So for a "family" the Powermac really isn't the right machine but if you need an entry level Workstation for grafic work I'd say the Powermac is still the way to go.
Re:looks like the end of the PowerMac (Score:3, Informative)
Windows XP Home: $199 Windows XP Professional (Much closer to OSX): $299
So, now your $1095.00 computer just became $1394. Add in the other little things you forgot such as bluetooth, gigabit ethernet, and case and you've got a machine about on par with the Powermac.
Re:looks like the end of the PowerMac (Score:4, Informative)
Re:looks like the end of the PowerMac (Score:3, Informative)
As for whether XP Pro or OSX is better, that depends on what you do. And that's a different discussion.
OEM XP Pro from Newegg $139
(Adjusted Price $1234)
Gigabit Eth WAS included. As for bluetooth, I own an adapter for my PC (costs $10-20) and have yet to use it.
($1234+$20 = $1254) Still much cheaper than the Mac.
And before anyone flames me, I love Macs. Personally, I prefer OSX to XP, but that's beca
Re:looks like the end of the PowerMac (Score:3, Insightful)
Steak dinner $29.76
- eight ounces USDA prime beef
- one teaspoon safflower oil
- one quarter teaspoon salt
- one quarter teaspoon black pepper
- twelve spears of asparagus
- eight ounces fingerling potatoes
- four ounces butter
- four cloves garlic
That $60 bill they handed me in the restaurant last night was completely unreasonable.Screw karma (Score:3, Funny)
Re:looks like the end of the PowerMac (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:looks like the end of the PowerMac (Score:5, Insightful)
By and large, yes it does.
But you're not telling the whole story. You left out the part where the mac user sells the old mac on eBay for far less of a discount than you'd need to put on a similarly aged PC. Easily over half the original price, in my experience. Sometimes ends up being as much as 2/3rds the price of a new mac just by selling your old one, depending on how frequently you upgrade.
Upgrades are for chumps.
What about DVI (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:What about DVI (Score:4, Insightful)
Low level design flaws? Hold off buying. (Score:4, Interesting)
If it hasn't been fixed, the eMac may still give better bang for buck. If this matters to you then hold off buying until you see an accurate performance comparison.
Re:Low level design flaws? Hold off buying. (Score:3, Informative)
Memory Prices (somewhat) improved (Score:5, Informative)
It leaves me puzzled why they are still shipping 256 Mb on the Power Macs (why, why?). However, this looks like a very sensible feature improvement which should provide the perfect all in one home machine and stop the iMac from having their sales canibalised by Mac Minis at the lower end. Sadly my previous generation iMac, which is now 4 years old, is still running perfectly, especially now it has Tiger, so this may still be a hard sell to buy this year.
Re:Memory Prices (somewhat) improved (Score:3, Insightful)
We ship 256 MB only in the economy model, the single-processor 1.8 GHz configuration. The other three SKUs come with 512.
Sadly my previous generation iMac, which is now 4 years old, is still running perfectly, especially now it has Tiger
While a flat-panel G4 iMac certainly should run Tiger well, we first shipped them in January 2002. Your iMac can't be more than just over 3 years old.
Re:Memory Prices (somewhat) improved (Score:4, Informative)
Besides, the RAM thing is always a tightrope for us. Yes, the iMacs need to have more RAM in their base configurations than the Power Macs do because market research tells us that only something like one iMac owner in 10 ever opens his computer, while five out of six Power Macs get upgraded in some way during the first year of ownership. Our iMac customers want more RAM in the Mac, while our Power Mac customers want less RAM in the G5 (because our RAM is naturally more expensive than third-party RAM; it's a volume issue). But at the same time they don't want the iMac to ship with more RAM than the Power Mac because then Power Mac buyers feel ripped off. "This expensive computer only came with 256 MB of RAM! Cheapskates!"
So it's a tightrope. Bottom line is, no matter how we configure the RAM in our SKUs, a third of our customers are gonna complain about it. And 100% of Slashdotters.
Re:Memory Prices (somewhat) improved (Score:3, Insightful)
Every retailer buys RAM from a manufacturer. For sake of argument, let's say that manufacturer is RAMCO. If you go to RAMCO and ask to buy RAM, they're going to say no, because they're not a retailer. They're a wholesaler. They only sell to people who intend to re-sell their RAM.
So instead you go to a retailer. You have two choices. One, BIGCO, does sixty-five skrillion box tops a year in business with RAMCO. The other, LITTLECO, only does ten thousand
Re:Memory Prices (somewhat) improved (Score:4, Insightful)
We're LITTLECO. Somebody like Crucial is BIGCO. See?
Sounds to me like Apple should buy it's RAM from Crucial, then. If your negotiated price with RAMCO is still higher than Crucial's retail price, or better, whatever price you could negotiate with Crucial, it sounds like you'd be better off. Really.
Thats cool (Score:4, Insightful)
I want this machine headless! (Score:4, Funny)
Make a better double-sized Mac Mini now!
2GHz PowerPC G5
667MHz frontside bus
512K L2 cache
512MB DDR400 SDRAM
160GB Serial ATA hard drive
Slot-load 8x SuperDrive (double-layer)
ATI Radeon 9600
128MB DDR video memory
56K internal modem
Sam
Re:I want this machine headless! (Score:5, Funny)
Re:I want this machine headless! (Score:4, Funny)
What would that be called... a Mac maxi? I can just see female Slashdotters falling over themselves in laughter at that one...
Re:I want this machine headless! (Score:4, Funny)
Yeah, both of them think it's hysterical.
-truth
Must find a way... (Score:5, Interesting)
We have two matching 17" LCD, 800 MHz iMacs, purchased in November, 2002. They have run 24x7 since we purchased them, with the exception of the power outages caused by the hurricanes in September of 2004.
Re:Must find a way... (Score:3, Funny)
Or just get a good pair of running shoes.
Now Update The Mini! (Score:4, Informative)
A "sub $500" mac looses it's luster real quick when you have to stuff memory on top of it just to get decent performance. When they almost never leave stock 1.25/Gh/40Gb models at 256MB in the Apple stores, Best Buy, and Comp that says something about the performance.
Re:Now Update The Mini! (Score:4, Informative)
What's included - Mac OS X v10.4 Tiger
The Mac mini comes with Mac OS X v10.4 Tiger, Apple's powerful yet easy-to-use operating system that's as stable as only a UNIX-based system can be. Today thousands of software applications and peripherals take full advantage of its power and versatility.
Maybe they will upgrade the capacitors? (Score:3, Informative)
http://www.sudhian.com/showdocs.cfm?aid
I don't think they were using "quality" capictors.
I also have an entire series of imacs where I work that almost every one has had a hard disk failure. Granted they are 5 years old, purchased in 2000 and are only 400mhz. But started failing one by one after we purchased them, 1 or 2 every month until almost all 60 had hard drives replaced.
Both Xserves I had purchased has had bad slot loading cdrom drives that I had Apple replace. I tried the firmware update that supposidly fixes the problem, but the drives still did not work.
Powerbooks with the same type cdrom seemed to be having similar problems. Ended up sending the drives in to be replaced.
We have had several other Macintosh Computers that could not keep time even after firmware resets and battery replacements.
I have had lots of bad memory, capicitors, and power supply failures -- much higher than all other computers combined (PCs, PPC IBM Servers). Failure has increased with newer models.
Apple used to produce quality computers back in the early 90's that would last for years. Now they are on par with emachines or packard bell.
We purchase many computers and it is not uncommon to see entire series of Macintosh Computers to have to same failure again and again. That does not mean a consumer can see this because he or she may have the "lucky" computer that is not the lemon.
APPLE, PLEASE GET BACK TO QUALITY!
Re:Maybe they will upgrade the capacitors? (Score:5, Insightful)
The problem with generalizing from your woes--as much as I'm sure they've sucked--is that Apple consistently is very highly ranked in customer satisfaction surveys (though I don't have a link for this). Unless you have some data to back up your anecdote, I'm going to stick with my personal experience: Apple makes really good machines, typically much higher quality than Dell et al., and supports them well.
What a load. (Score:3, Informative)
I've had caps on supposedly "quality" PC motherboards blow, from Soyo, Abit, and Asus. I've had ECS boards die. We've gotten hardware from Sun that was defective.
To say that Apple is on par with Packard Bell or eMachines is just ridiculous. Computer stuff can and will fail.
We've had excellent luck with the Apple stuff.
Bad Capacitors - Known Problem (Score:3, Informative)
References:
http://www.geek.com/news/geeknews/2003Feb/bch2003 0 207018535.htm [geek.com]
http://home.earthlink.net/~doniteli/index27.htm [earthlink.net]
http://www.spectrum.ieee.org/WEBONLY/resource/feb0 3/ncap.html [ieee.org]
Design or Branding? (Score:3, Interesting)
But being a sound, usable design seems to be a minor concern for Apple's product strategy. The big selling point with all iMacs, starting with the original candy iMacs [scienceman.com], is that they look cool. Once familiarity has blunted the coolness factor, an iMac design is discarded -- no matter how good it is.
Pretty sad. When the pedestal iMac came out, I rather hoped that competitors would imitate it. Not its overall appearance -- Apple is notoriously intolerant [windowsitpro.com] of that kind of imitation. But the more general idea of a pedestal computer. Alas, nobody did, and now even Apple has lost interest in the idea. It's all about branding these days, not usability. And though Apple's designers are the best, they only live to serve that purpose.
Re:Slashdot: Schills for nerds, stuff that matters (Score:4, Funny)
Mods: it's a joke. Phil Schiller is Apple's senior vice president of Worldwide Product Marketing. Sad that I had to explain that to (hopefully) avoid being modded "Flamebait"
Re:Slashdot: Schills for nerds, stuff that matters (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Freshend? (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Not interested, however... (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:DAMNIT (Score:3, Funny)
because you are cheap?
Re:BULLSHIT (Score:5, Insightful)
I paid $2400 for a Powerbook a year ago, and you know what I got that I can't get on any PC?
I enjoy using a computer again. A bargain.
i'm tired of fucking dumb ass macs.. i dont care how good they are, i'm not paying $1300 for a Mac that isn't even CLOSE to their higher end models..
You probably think that the 1000 pc. socket set at Walmart is fantastic. I mean, look how many sockets you get!
Quality over quantity, sweet teats.
Re:BULLSHIT (Score:3, Funny)
Re:BULLSHIT (Score:3, Interesting)
"What can you POSSIBLY do that you CANNOT do on a regular PC?" Many things. I'll tell you.
I guess I'm using my computer for different things than you are using your computer for.
There is no way to get anything even remotely approaching the functionality, power and ease of use of GarageBand 2.0.1 on a PC, at any price. If composing and recording music is a priority for you, and it's the main reason I'm buying a new compute
If you don't care... (Score:4, Insightful)
I think the answer is that you *do* care, and being a PC fanboy, you hate the fact that Apple are making real strides and doing things that Microsoft can't seem to (like stick to their OS schedules).
Realistically, this doesn't impact you in any way whatsoever, as you've got your PC, and you're probably happy with what you paid for it.
So why do you hate the concept of the Mac so much?
Is it because you hate anything *different*?
Is it because it threatens to invalidate your choices?
Face yourself - you care, and the proof of that is in your post. You're coming across as someone who's upset about something that really shouldn't affect you.
Oh - to your 'point'... I'll go out on a limb and say that most Slashdot readers know about technology - where it's been, where it is now and some vague idea of where it's going next. Most people are reasonably well educated around here. They're capable of making their own choices, and they're capable of making informed choices.
Apple are gaining a lot of mindshare around here because they're doing a lot of things right. OS X is the best OS out there, and is actually innovating. People can read the source code for Darwin if they like, and contribute to it if they want to. Macs are easier to use than ever, and people like that.
What can we do on our Macs that you can't on your PC? We can forget the computer and use the things as the tools they are. I don't have to screw around on my iBook to get things working, or to maintain the system integrity. The OS takes care of that for me. I don't have to worry about it. I can get on and just use the apps to get stuff done.
I've used computers since 1981 (when I was 10), and I've seen pretty much everything that's happened in the industry. I've used Windows since 3.1, and before that DOS, CP/M, Amiga-OS and others. I know what I'm talking about. In my view, OS X is the current pinnacle of operating systems. People are noticing it, and people are buying Macs.
If you don't like it, you'll have to learn to live with it.
Re:My Problem With iMacs (Score:4, Insightful)
Then don't buy one.
"...I highly doubt that an iMac will be useful after 4 years."
Depends on who you are and what you do. I did a website for a guy when the 266 MHz iMacs were brand new. (1999, 2000?) He bought one at the time and still uses it to this day. As long as his email works and he can visit his site and a few others, he's happy.
Besides, it'll *always* work as a kick-ass DVD player. Add an eyeTV and it's a PVR. I mean, it's not like you have to throw it away once you get a new machine.
"Ultimately, I do not care about the speed of my CPU, because sitting in front of a computer is the last fucking thing I want to do after working 60 hour weeks."
Then why are you buying computers at all?
"With iMacs, you seem to pay for both: a computer and a screen."
Well duh. But compare the price to a base PowerMac and it's suddenly pretty impressive. Other than expandability and small differences in bus speed, max RAM, etc., the iMac has it all over the base PowerMac.
"Why bother? You can pick up a nice 20" LCD from Apple for $800 ($700 if you can get educational discount) and that is all I want."
Then buy it. Sorry, but your 'rant' is really lame--"Mack trucks are stupid. I'll never need to haul that much. I'm buying a Prius instead."
Re:Midplane PSU & Inverter Defect in iMac (Score:5, Informative)
Considering that drive and LCD failures are unlikely to be heavily seen in any computer's first 6 months on the market, it's not surprising that most of the failures we hear about are the Midplane or PSU. PSU is an easy one - "won't power on/won't stay on." Inverter typically presents itself as a "no backlight" issue. That leaves a laundry list of problems that all reside on the midplane: Fans stop spinning, unit overheats. Fans spin too fast constantly, too loud. No AirPort signal. Bluetooth not recognized. Video scrambled. Ethernet port not working. Memory not recognized. Kernel panics on startup. Bad FireWire port. No sound. ALL of these require replacing the midplane.
My point? Not all iMac midplane failures are equal, and unless they are all failing for the same reason at the same point, there is no larger issue. Apple simply chose to put "the whole computer" on the midplane, so yes it gets replaced more frequently than many other parts (there are hardly any other parts to replace!), however from a customer service standpoint it makes repairing your own computer a heck of a lot easier. There are really only so many parts to go bad in an iMac, and surprise, a few of them have. Also realize that this computer has been flying off the shelves since day 1, so there's going to be a larger number of reports than usual. Add to this people who were shipped a PSU to replace and really needed a midplane, or vice versa, but consider the problem a 'dual failure' because both parts ended up being replaced (I've seen this case a lot online). This was a failure on Apple's support end to accurately identify the problem, but nonetheless does not constitute a dual-failure epidemic. The iBook G3 logic board recall, on the other hand, represents a specific widespread failure that manifests itself in the exact same way every time.
Sorry to go on a bit of a tirade, but I really feel that - like with the iPod 'battery issue' - the majority of iMac owners are happily enjoying their purchases and the fact that anyone with a sad story and no technical knowledge can post to a website really tends to have a run-away effect in the Mac community. It would be nice to see more people address these failures with some consideration for how the thing is built.
Re:A Prediction: (Score:4, Insightful)
I don't think he's an Apple guy of much significance. For all we know he works the "genius bar" at a really, really slow Apple Store somewhere, and surfs slashdot to kill time... if he works for Apple at all.
Whatever the case is, he can claim to be whoever he likes. It doesn't matter. What matters is that his comments tend to contribute to the discussion, while your comment is just whining flame-baiting.
Re:Firewire 800? (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Refresh rate (Score:3, Informative)
Also inetresting but too low-level for Slashdot (Score:3, Informative)
In general Slashdot could have a story of Tiger incompatibilities but that seems a little off-target for Slashdot. Those kind of stories are more a thing you'd go to Macslash for, or mentuion it in the context of some other article as you've done.
Re:max. ram size? (Score:3, Insightful)