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Pictures of the Palm V 97

Posted by CmdrTaco from the but-nothing-official dept.
hal-j writes "check out this link for pictures of the new Palm V. They seem to be legit, as they jive with most of what I've heard about this unit (both officially and unofficially). Some interesting features include an enhanced screen, and 2 stylus silos. " My old Palm Pro keeps looking more and more old fashioned. Darn technology.
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Pictures of the Palm V

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  • When are these going to become available? I want one!

  • hmmmmm. (Score:1)

    by mackga ( 990 )
    Maybe when this comes out, the price of the older III's will go down enough for me to buy one. I'd really like to have a palm, but can't justify the still-too-high price. We'll see. BTW, the V looks very nice.

  • Dang. (Score:1)

    by Shiska ( 131 )
    And I thought the PalmV was going to be Color.


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  • He said that he was surpised when he saw 56K data transfer. My PilotPro has 56K data transfer, so what is so special about it being in the Palm V?

    Or am I missing the point?

    T.
  • Doesn't look like there are enough new gadgets to compel existing Palm Pro/III owners to migrate. Me thinks that 3Com is playing the "ergonomically sleek" card paired with the "latest and greatest" to trap corporate customers into getting a Palm V-which is just a refinement to the Palm III.

    BTW, I have a Palm III and I live out of it. They're really nicely priced now, $218.95 at buycomp.com . Worth every penny.

    Works great with Linux, too.
  • The Palm III and Palm V look like nice evolutionary models, but there doesn't appear to be any tangible reason to upgrade fomr the Palm Pro (which I am sure is now cheap and plentiful).

    I won't budge until these things get color screens and wireless net connections. Maybe this is a bit fanciful...but I think liike most people, the current Palm Pilot ends up gathering dust after a while. It just doesn't do enough to merit constant use.
  • Everything written here has been annouced by the company already. No streches here.

    Many people looking at the Palm Pilot would have noticed a recent drop in price of the Palm III and the older Palm Pro's. This is due to the rollout of three new models. The first is the Palm Pilot III X This is everything the Palm III offers, but with a better screen, MS Outlook conduit, and 4MB RAM. The III X is set to retail at 369, the original price of the old one. This is due out in late-Febuary.

    The Palm V, shown here is set to sell at 449, and is 3Com's answer to size. In essence, this is the Palm III on steroids.

    The Palm VII, has been heard about for awhile, the Internet version of the Palm III. No seriously detailed information by me on this.
    -Michael J. Lu
  • While a color screen would be cool, wireless net access would actually be useful. Many of us cannot survive without our Palm Pilots. I think if you're into time management or have gotten seriously burned for not being into time management, then you come to depend on your Pilot.

    However, if you just get one because they're cool, eventually the novelty wears off and they begin to gather dust. A color screen would just delay the onset of dust gathering. But wireless net access in a smaller form factor--then I'd have to get out the credit card.
  • I got to try the Palm V at a press meeting with 3Com last week, and it's totally cool. The case is made in aluminium and it's THIN. The screen is like a thousand times better too compared to the old Palm Pro.

    Too bad I had to sign a NDA to get to play with it. I got the pictures today but can't post them yet. :-(

  • Nahhh... (Score:1)

    by mdxi ( 3387 )
    I hate to beat a dead horse severely...but...

    Damn Steve Jobs for killing the Newton! Everytime I see an article about how great the NEXT Palm will be all I can do is think about how far they still have to go to catch up to the last Newton, which was produced almost 2 years ago.

    It really kills me when people say that Newton HWR sucked and that Graffiti is so much better. Nobody seems to know that Graffiti was developed FOR the Newt and was no longer needed because their handwriting recognition was so good at the end?

    *sigh*

    Oh well...I can change none of this. I just wish someone would hurry up nad produce another small, powerful, flexible, usable handheld. One day...

    P.S. I too am looking forward to the P1. Mmmm...G3 in a eMate case...

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  • If it doesn't have a java virtual machine,
    I'm not interested.

    --T
  • Thanks for the pointer. I'll check them out.
  • I really like the rechargeable batteries and the thinner case in the Palm V, but I'm perfectly content with my Palm III....


    # find /dev/brain
    find: cannot open /dev/brain: No such file or directory
  • "and the form-factor is better than anything that's going to come from our newton-killing friends."

    The Newton killing was driven in large part by spite. I look at the palmpilot, and my hands start to hurt. Oh well. Funny how everyone seems to want to rush to defend that particular choice of SJ's. Won't develop any more, won't sell it, won't develop similar products on a timeline that means anything to anyone. The man's starting to be a walking, talking advertisement for open source, whether he knows it or not.

  • I've had a Philips Nino for a few months now. I wish it hadn't come with WinCE, since it does crash. But I chose it over the Pilot because it has an on-screen writing area. Once the Pilot has this feature, I'll get it.

    As for the PV, it looks great!! 11mm thick? Now THAT is something you can stick in a shirt pocket.

    3COM - PLEASE make the writing area virtual... and move the buttons to the sides of the unit. I'll not only buy one (and burn the CE unit in effigy) but I'll also get one for each of my friends.
    That way all three of us will have one ;)
  • End of February, Palm IIIx will be release at same time I believe.

    The pics are legit, I've seen the pre-release packet on this baby, and that's what it looks like.
  • The Palm OS supported the 57.6 speed, but the Palm Clip on modem did not.

    There will be a new clip on modelm for the Palm V that will be either 33.6 or 56K.
  • Don't rely on what that guy says on his page. Just because he couldn't readily see any way that the device can be expanded, doesn't mean it's not possible.

    I'm sure if there is a way to upgrade the memory on this thing, the folks at TRG will figure it out!

    As for the Palm IIIx, my understanding is that it will ship at the same time as the Palm V.

  • The only problem I have with Palm Pilots is the huge area of the screen which is wasted as a "defined" writing area. Seems like a waste of valuable screen real estate.
  • What happened to color?

    Don't want it. Just suck up all my battery.

    Larger screen with a floating graffiti window?

    Oh yeah, that way I can have graffiti scratches all over my screen? I prefer the dedicated area for graffiti. It just works.

  • Apart from the fact, perhaps, that it runs WinCE... Check this [casio.com]: 16MB RAM, LiIon, 65k colors in 320x240, same price as the Palm V (~450$), runs mp3 and mpeg videos, and it has a slot for a IBM microdrive!

    The only thing which keeps me from buying one (apart from availability) is the fact that I want one whith USB.
    Oh, yes, and a GSM phone which wirelessly connects to one of these flashy earpieces like Christof in the Truman show.
    And perhaps VGA.
    Actually, a camera on a FlashCard to drop in would be neat, too.
    GPS, maybe.

    Am I missing anything? -)
  • Posted by DonR:

    With maybe a mirror? And you could put a small brush in the other stylus slot. Adjust your makeup and play with your Pilot at the same time! Wow! Dontcha just love Technology?
  • How will a color screen contribute significantly to the utility of the platform?

    The PalmIII added IR, which allows Palm owners to share information. This enables Palm owners to share information easily. This makes it easy to exchange notes, contact information, appointments, etc. Any environment with a large number of PalmIII users will see huge advantages from this feature.

    The PalmIII also improved the formfactor, which, I have argued elsewhere, is an very important part of the Palms feature set. The easier the device is to carry the more likely you are to carry it and the more useful it will be to you. Similarly if it is easier to hold you will use it more and longer.

    Granted, neither of these was enough reason for me to upgrade from a Pro.

    The PalmV, on the other hand, may just do it. More compact than a PalmIII while including IR support and an improved screen. I have already explained the size advantage. The improved screen will make it easier to read the display which will make quick accesses even quicker and long accesses much less painful. I have read news & things on my Pro and while I find it treamendously useful to have such a compact, portable and up to date information source, it can cause horrible eyestrain under all but the best lighting conditions. (the rechargable battery should also be useful although its biggest benifit is in enabling a more compact form factor.)

    I should also note that there is expected to be a Palm IV, or somesuch, which will improve upon the III with more memory and an expansion slot. This will enable larger custom applications on the platform which can be quite useful in verticle markets.

    After that is the Wireless Palm, which I agree, will be a big step up, but it will also be expensive. However, having a vast network of information at your hip will be tremendously useful.

    Color, on the other hand, just seems like a gee-whiz feature. I would like to see it in the future, and I think it will help expand the market for the platform, but it will add expense and decreace battery life which will, in turn, decrease the devices general utility. Until the tradeoff for color is less significant I would rather 3com focus their efforts elsewhere.

    I think color brings little when compaired to the overall utility of having a pervasive personal information utility. Hell, even on my PC, there is little I do on my color display that I couldn't do just as well on a good B&W display.
  • Posted by DonR:

    I wonder if the Click! drives will work with the PalmV? Has anyone seen/used these things yet? From their website, it appears they hold about 40mb of data on a matchbook sized drive?
  • It isn't screen real estate. It is the text input area, just like the keyboard on my computer.

    On the other hand, it does take up realestate on the device and on something this small, that can be a bit of a waste.

    This particular omission doesn't really bother me, but it would be nice if the input area was also display area, then it could be used for something else.
  • Hey this post is more appropriate to a different thread or a newsgroup. It would be nice if you would respect other readers and post in a forum more suited to your needs.
  • This rather lengthy post was obviously meant for the RH5.2/kernel2.2 article... Not much of a suprise something like this would happen with slashdot's database problems. Don't be so quick to eat this AC alive, give the benefit of the doubt I always say...
  • It wasn't so much the inability to do it, but the amount of screen real-estate that the dedicated area takes away.

    Are there any convincing reasons for the Ppilot 'feature', when it CAN be done in software?
  • WinCE units use a virtual area, that goes away at the press of an on-screen button. A better solution, IMHO.

    It's too bad that it is probably a patented, inseparable feature of the WinCE OS - you know, sort of like a browser and a mouse with a wheel on it. :)
  • Since there is no visible door, there would be no way to expand the case without replacing the case entirely.

    So, to answer your question, if there will be memory upgrades available, I'm sure they will fit without having to make the case bigger.
  • I thought new Palm's packaging was its battery too. If so, it doesn't
    surprise me that you needn't remove it.
  • Whatever happened to the Palm IV? :-)

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  • The Palm V has one big minus to it - it isn't expandable. You can't add memory or anything else for that matter... but I guess you can survive with 4MB for a while.
  • I loved my Pro, but doggone it, just had to upgrade last December when 3Com handed out those niftly clear III cases at the Palm Devcon. What good was the case without the unit? . It was actually a worthwhile upgrade. (Pro to III) and while not everyone will make every upgrade, this is a good thing imho. Palm has never really forced anyone to upgrade...too bad we can't say that about more vendors...

  • You silly person. The Hawkins-Dubinsky team designed the IIIx, the V and the VII (and probably a forthcoming VI) and probably anything else in the pipeline for 1999.

    How could these be evidence of stagnation when the designs had to be far enough along to be sent off to manfacturing months ago?

    The Palms are appliances, and unlike Wince devices are designed to absolutely positively

    1. Fit in a shirt pocket
    2. Run 6 weeks on a set of batteries
    3. Be so easy to use that a nontechnical consumer can be entering names and addresses within 15 minutes of tearing open the box.


    The extra features the naysayers want are generally not necessary or terribly useful for even a power user. Voice recording without transcription? Richtext wordprocessing? Animation support? Frames-capable web browser? Color?

    Any of these would be nice, but with the possible exception of color, they run counter to the Palm devices' mission: to replace a Filofax.

    The Palm V offers no reason for a Palm III-level user to upgrade, but heck, my Personal upgraded to a Pro upgraded to a III does its job just fine. As a corporate web app developer, the only PDA around that really offers something new and compelling is the forthcoming Palm VII. If you're an end user, it looks expensive and limited. If you're a developer interested in roaming field apps, it's exciting as all hell.
  • Greetings,
    Well, I'm running a PalmPilot (Pro!) w/ 8MB of main and 2MB of Flash (the TRG [trgnet.com] XL expansion), so the new memory doesn't do anything for me... The thinness is keen, but not worthy of upgrading.

    But why no CompactFlash adapter?!? It'd fit with the size, it'd allow infinite (or near such!) expandability (heaven forfend the IBM CF-II drives at 360MB in a Pilot...!), and it's Just Good Tech!

    In any case, the ONLY reason I'd consider getting a new Pilot is the IR capabilities, but I just don't see another $300 worth of capability in any of these 'upgrades'.

    Pity. Maybe if someone ported Linux to the WinCE machines they'd be usable. THAT would be a blast! In the mean time, I'm over 4MB used in my Pilot, not including the extra MB stored in my Flash. If the new Pilots don't support the TRG memory cards then it's going to have to be one heck of an incredible upgrade. (Color, CF-II, IR, and thin together might just do it though...)

    If you're not a pilot owner yet, though, these new models are SWEET, and I do highly recommend them. (I admit, I only wish I'd gotten the black IBM Palm Pro. For pure style reasons...)

    Ahh, the Joys of Toys.
  • The Palm III is only .07 inches thick, which is less than 1.8 mm.

    Reference: the specifications on the offical Palm website [palm.com]

  • This thing is reminiscent of the slimmer 8 bit Nintendo that was released months after everyone had a Super Nintendo, or the smaller GameBoy, translucent GameBoy, 'color' GameBoy, etc... Between the PV and the PIIIX they are squeezing as much money they can out of the III platform. This is not a good sign for the pilot community. They had better start INNOVATING and fast.

    Will
  • Actually, my information comes from news.com, in an article they had about three weeks ago.
    -Michael J. Lu
  • I still use my old Pilot 5000. Never upgraded, but it's been a drag with so little memory. I like the Palm III, but agree that the V doesn't look like much of an upgrade over the III.

    Here in Honolulu (where everything is overpriced, I found that Palm IIIs go for $299. While looking over the goods at the local CompUSA, I noticed that the PalmPilot Pro goes for $199, and the upgrade to a Palm III is $79. Heh.
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  • Maybe. There wasn't a Palm II, was there. And they're jumping from V to VII.

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  • I own a Palm Pro and have had it for a little over a year. I like the new look of the Palm V. But I am disappointed with the direction people want to take the Palm devices. Wireless modems, 8+ Megs of RAM, color screen, etc. Why not ask for a built in GPS, 32M RAM, and sound while you're at it?

    The one reason why I love the Palm so much is it's simplicity. If I wanted wireless 'Net access and high storage, I would have bought another laptop (probably the new Porteges or a Libretto). Oh, well.

  • I haven't checked out the info on the Palm website.. but I REASSURE YOU that it is NOT 1.8 mm thick.

    Do you have ANY idea what 1.8mm is?!?! That's not EVEN 2 cm.
  • Probably when they upgrade the processor to something less brain dead than a 68000. As 3COM just use a plain ole 68322 dragonball processor they are tied to what Motorola produce. I'd image that Mot will be bringing out a ColdFire based chip at some point but don't hold your breath... A V3 CF core with the performance of a P100 and power consumption less that the current m68k device...nice.

    Then you can do MP3s
  • The Welcome-To address brought up a site not found... Hello?
  • Posted by psychokid:

    If you want one of the folowing:

    1-Color Screen
    2-Sound
    3-Tons of Memory
    4-Multiple Web browsing
    5-Movie files
    6-enomorously large databases
    7-Presentation capabilities
    8-Voice Recognition

    Then get a laptop, because those features in a PDA, in any PDA, will push it to the price of a cheap notebook that's far more capable at doing those tasks.

    Otherwise, you probably should look for these things in a PDA

    1-Ease of Use and access
    2-Convenience of Use
    3-Reliability
    4-Ease of Input

    If I want to browse the web and view movie files, I have my full-blown computers to do so.

    The whole intention for use of a personal information device and a computer is completely different.

    For those wanting more out of a Palm system, I suggest how about replacing these Dragonballs with Xeons? (btw, that's sarcasm for you people who demand workstations out of PDAs)
  • Posted by Blake Patterson:


    Actually, the Palm units do not have the processor power or, really, the memory to run WindowsCE. It's far more complex an operating system then PalmOS.

    bp
  • Palm V pics have moved here [utwente.nl].

  • Posted by Jrpikachu:

    If you are calling Palm Pilot the GameBoy of PDA's is that a compliment on it's success (GameBoy is considered the most successful video game platform ever...at least by Nintendo...) or are you ridiculing it for it's simplicity (simplicity=what people need)
    On the other hand I must say I feel foolish posting messages on something so luxurious as handheld computing while there are still children starving every day. I don't think this platform means much to them.
  • I think a replaceable/disposible plastic sheet the clips onto the screen to protect it, and when it gets marked up you just put a new one on.

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