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Pentium III (Katmai) on Monday? 54

Posted by CmdrTaco from the this-is-gonna-be-expensive dept.
Charles Bronson writes "This ZDNet article reports that Intel will be unveiling the new Pentium III chip, previously code-named "Katmai," on Monday. 'The Pentium III will begin 450MHz and 500MHz...' No mention of price, of course.. " My guess is you'll need to mortgage your home.
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  • SGI has yet to release a machine with an Intel processor, as far as I am aware. The launch is supposed to happen January 11th, which is four days away. And I doubt the x86-based machines they are releasing then will replace stuff like the Onyx2 or Origin2000. They are planning to migrate to Intel processors, but they are nowhere close to actually completing that migration yet.
    And the Crays will probably not go to an Intel architecture until Merced at the earliest.
  • From what I know, the Alpha was planning on using the higher bus-speed for the EV6 bus, and the K7 decided to stay at a 'safer' 200 MHz. This, however, makes for some rather interesting overclocking opportunities..
  • Well, our costs on Celeron 300A's has plunged to below $70, and we now have Celeron 366's in stock for more than $150 less than Pentium II 350's... does anybody else see a problem with this picture?!

    (Note, though, that the PII-350 has a 100mhz system bus, while the Celeron 366 has a 66mhz system bus, so the PII-350 still outperforms the Celeron 366 by a slight amount... but $150 worth?!).

    -- Eric
  • Where did you hear about a 200Mhz bus? Please post a URL. I've got a K6-2 300Mhz on a 100Mhz bus and it screams along at 599.65 Bogomips... schwwwwing!

    PS... I hope you're right! :)
  • Posted by Nickfh:

    " And as for you AMD fans, I'll say this -- AMD make great CPU's, but until they support SMP properly (i.e. APIC, not the useless OPENPIC) I guess I won't buy one."

    APIC is not "properly supporting SMP," APIC is the -Intel- way of supporting SMP. OpenPIC and APIC each have their relative merits, and as interrupt routing goes, neither are exactly the best thing since sliced bread.

    However, you can't blame AMD, Cyrix, etc for not being able to support Intel-proprietary features. OpenPIC boards -were- manufactured, but simply didn't sell because WNT didn't run on them. You can blame Intel for trying to cut it's competitors out of the "standards based" market by conveniently using the Wintel definition of standard.

  • Check out firingsquad.com's article [firingsquad.com] about overclocking a Celeron 366 to 550 Mhz; it is faster than a PII overclocked to 500 Mhz. It only raised the chip's temperature ~4 degrees celsius. Zoom!
  • I don't need another Intel microwave/space heater.

    I'm sticking with SGI/Sun equipment. Intel can go bugger.
  • Yes, SGI has ONE system (two models) with an Intel processor. This is to cash in on the LOW-END market.

    "REAL" (read: mid-high end) SGI systems like the O2, Octane, Origin, Onyx and Challenge series will never use an Intel chip and I wouldn't want them to. These are the systems I was talking about when I said "I'd rather use SGI..."

    The Merced is too little, too late. Yeah fine it's 64-bit. MIPS and Sparcs have been 64-bit for YEARS. Merced might be nice for future versions of NT, but again - I'd rather use an SGI/Sun running a real OS. Running NT faster is just that - same shit, running faster.

    Of course, for Linux - Merced is nice. So is the Alpha. The PowerPC. The MIPS. So many options. Depending on the pricing of Merced, you might want to consider a more mature processor right off the bat - not to mention, like I said, maturity. Merced is a first generation chip in many senses. Will there be legacy instructions on it? Emulation? More crap to slow it down? How big are the caches? MIPS/Sparc CPUs have 4MB of cache on them, some of 'em.

  • The performance of the K-7 promises to be much better than that of the PII and PIII. Aside from the obvious advantage of using the ev6 bus, the K-7's will also have a much larger L1 and L2 cache. The multiple paralell pipelines for both integer and floating point operations will give the K-7 and performance boost in the area where it has always fell short.

    And as has been said many times over... Swappable with an Alpha...

    Unless Intel has done more than increase the clock-rate and improved the multimedia and 3D performance, there will be no comparison between the PIII and the K-7.

    Potsy
  • AFAIK, there are no alpha chips which will fit into the k7 slot, and none have been announced. PII will fit in the slot, they just won't work. Also, there is no indication that the k7 mobos will have alpha-compatible buses. I don't think AMD and Compaq/Digital have any strategic alliance (other than AMD licensing the ev6 bus) so I doubt we'll see swappable k7/alpha boards (unless a board manufacture provides both a k7 slot and an alpha socket, and a compatible BIOS ;-)
    --
    Aaron Gaudio
    "The fool finds ignorance all around him.
  • Chas, I'm shocked that you of all people would be a Pro-Intel Chauvinist.

    Anyway, it's just a matter of tradeoffs. At anything but fpu-intensive operations, the K6 competes favorable with P2s; in terms of price/performance, it wins hands-down. I don't really care if, by paying $300 more, I could get 10 more fps in Quake 2; since I don't have an extra $300 the K6 is my baby. (Or babies, since I've got 2.)

    The way I see it, if I could afford a new Intel cpu I could also afford a not-quite-so-new Alpha. Or a BeBox. Or a G3.

    Peter
  • K7 and alpha have the exact same bus. The question is whether there will be an alpha that is in a slot A physical package. Even if Compaq or Samsung doesn't make a Slot A part. Another manufacturer might make daughter cards that could mount an alpha in slot A, and then provide the BIOS update for various motherboards. No one knows exactl what will happen, but it shoudl still be interesting.

  • Hmmm. (Score:1)

    by Chas ( 5144 )

    Let's see how far the P2 prices plunge.


    Chas - The one, the only.
    THANK GOD!!!

  • God. Not this tired old garbage again.

    • K6-3: Better price, crappier performance.
    • K7: SUPPOSEDLY better performance, XEON PRICING!
    • INTEL CELERON 300a: Best price/performance ratio of ANY CHIP ON THE MARKET TODAY! Oh yeah, the K6-3 and K7 AREN'T EVEN ON THE MARKET YET! The 300a IS.

    Hmmm. See a pattern here?

    Also, since price hasn't been announced. Heck the STATS for the chip haven't been announced yet! How can you compare?

    I'm getting sick of all these morons with their anti-Intel Chauvinism.

    FACT:While the performance of the K6-2 and 3 lines are exceptional with the 3dNow instruction set supported, without it, the chip is a DOG. Plain, simple, straightforward. It's all about tradeoffs. With Intel you get better performace in absence of the gimmicks. Your tradeoff is a higher price-point.

    Now I'll sit back and let a dozen people scream at me that I'm completely wrongheaded and get a bunch of anecdotal "evidence" to the contrary.

    As the topic says, a lot of it fits the pattern of buyer's remorse (A bunch of people trying to convince themselves they got the best deal).


    Chas - The one, the only.
    THANK GOD!!!

  • Actually, the new instructions (MMX2) should work with the existing BX chipset, the processor is the same as a PII, but with the new instructions. you know, like the difference between the earlier Pentiums and the Pentiums with MMX...
  • To come out with an announcement before the previously intended Superbowl ads points to Intel being worried about AMDs K6-3 and K7s.

    Guess they are finally feeling the heat. Still the articles "best kept secret" is laughable.

  • I've read the specs for both chips and there really isn't any comparison between Katmai and Motorola's upcoming G4 chips. Katmai is essentially a fix to what Intel broke when they added MMX, with minimal additions. The biggest speed gains from Katmai machines will be from the subsystems, not from the instructions.

    But I'm sure Intel will convince the masses that Katmai is the greatest thing since the 386.
  • p3 is 786, right? Septium sounds a lot cooler.
  • yet another over-priced Intel chip. I have read that newer Intel Katmai and Celery...err Celeron chips will be un-overclockable too. Lamers.


    I'll put my money on AMD and IBM/Motorola PowerPC chips.

    heh, I even read that the Katmai now does 4 FPU calculations at once now instead of just 1 in the PII...heh, just when Intel was going to catch up with the K6-2, AMD does it again by going to 16 FPU calculations per cycle...technically AMD will scorch the PIII...but we'll see the benchmarks and real-world results soon enough. As for PowerPC G3 and the upcoming G4's....they just flat out rule.

    my $0.02
  • Great, I need something to melt the snow off the driveway!!
  • Yes, you can find information on the Merced and other microprocessor technologies at the award winning web site www.transmeta.com [transmeta.com]... As well as the unveiling of the new chip that Transmeta is working on... just re-arrange the letters of "this web page is not here yet" until you find something interesting -- now that's innovation!!!
  • problems like more crashing etc............

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