
Amazon Says New Warehouse Robot Can 'Feel' Items, But Won't Replace Workers (cnbc.com) 55
An anonymous reader quotes a report from CNBC: There's a new warehouse robot at Amazon that has a sense of touch, allowing it to handle a job previously only done by humans. Amazon unveiled the robot, called Vulcan, Wednesday at an event in Germany. CNBC got an exclusive first look at Vulcan in April, as it stowed items into tall, yellow bins at a warehouse in Spokane, Washington. An up-close look at the "hand" of the robot reveals how it can feel the items it touches using an AI-powered sensor to determine the precise pressure and torque each object needs. This innovative gripper helps give Vulcan the ability to manipulate 75% of the 1 million unique items in inventory at the Spokane warehouse. Amazon has used other robotic arms inside its warehouses since 2021, but those rely on cameras for detection and suction for grasp, limiting what types of objects they can handle.
Vulcan can also operate 20 hours a day, according to Aaron Parness, who heads up the Amazon Robotics team that developed the machine. Still, Parness told CNBC that instead of replacing people in its warehouses, Vulcan will create new, higher skilled jobs that involve maintaining, operating, installing and building the robots. When asked if Amazon will fully automate warehouses in the future, Parness said, "not at all." "I don't believe in 100% automation," he said. "If we had to get Vulcan to do 100% of the stows and picks, it would never happen. You would wait your entire life. Amazon understands this." The goal is for Vulcan to handle 100% of the stowing that happens in the top rows of bins, which are difficult for people to reach, Parness said. [...] Amazon said Vulcan is operating at about the same speed as a human worker and can handle items up to 8 pounds. It operates behind a fence, sequestered from human workers to reduce the risk of accidents.
Vulcan can also operate 20 hours a day, according to Aaron Parness, who heads up the Amazon Robotics team that developed the machine. Still, Parness told CNBC that instead of replacing people in its warehouses, Vulcan will create new, higher skilled jobs that involve maintaining, operating, installing and building the robots. When asked if Amazon will fully automate warehouses in the future, Parness said, "not at all." "I don't believe in 100% automation," he said. "If we had to get Vulcan to do 100% of the stows and picks, it would never happen. You would wait your entire life. Amazon understands this." The goal is for Vulcan to handle 100% of the stowing that happens in the top rows of bins, which are difficult for people to reach, Parness said. [...] Amazon said Vulcan is operating at about the same speed as a human worker and can handle items up to 8 pounds. It operates behind a fence, sequestered from human workers to reduce the risk of accidents.
Think about it from the employer's point of view (Score:2)
Yes, but do you work continuously for 24 hours a day without pay or health insurance?
Even if they did they'd want the robots (Score:2, Troll)
People always say "who's gonna buy their products?". Do you think they haven't considered that? Do you think they're happy about that dependency? About needing you?
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You're projecting.
I don't think you even know what words are (Score:2)
Do you think I'm a billionaire? Because in order for me to want the thing I'm accusing them of I'd have to be a billionaire because it would be nonsensical for me to pursue the ability to live as a king without subjects.
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Projecting implies that you are attributing to others what you feel. You are almost certainly a 1%er. Top 1% income is 44,000 USD / year. Yes, I know you meant 1% of the US, which is about 790k, but that's a little elitist of you, isn't it?
So. You're a 1%er. Do you hate your dependence on people in other parts of the world?
On second thought, maybe don't answer that.
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Yeah, but the tech is nowhere near ready to replace us... but they aren't smart enough to know that, so they will try early and fuck everything all up, so it's not any consolation or anything.
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Also remember theydon't have to replace every single one of us to make the vast majority of our lives absolutely horrifically miserable.
Imagine a life like living on the worst kind of Indian reservation but without the modicum of respect that we afford the indigenous people. That's what they've got in store for us.
I think the problem is it's just too bizarre and horrific for us t
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I don't think that's true. I don't think it's there just yet but I don't think it's fair to say it's nowhere as near.
The robots can't even work without guidance, let alone maintenance, and can't maintain themselves yet either. If they're going to replace their virtual slaves, who they can use up and discard and then replace and never have to deal with anything like maintenance, they will need them to be able to do these things. We already know they don't know how to manage humans, robots are going to be even harder to manage.
The interlocking web of disciplines that makes the modern world possible can't be implemented with
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They loath us and they loath that they're dependent on us.
While I can't speak for the 1%, those of us who pay taxes loathe that you're hopelessly dependent on us. We loathe that, in most countries, people who are more valuable than you have to go hungry, while our money gives you enough food to get fat for doing absolutely nothing.
Cool to see the mask off (Score:2)
I can't imagine you're going to enjoy me pointing it out either. Are you going to mod me down with one of your Alt accounts?
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Awesome! (Score:1)
Despite what Amazon says, this will eliminate some warehouse worker jobs. This is great because many of those people bitching and moaning about their Amazon warehouse jobs will have their futures freed up to find jobs that they like much better.
I love the small of class warfare in the morning (Score:3)
Or no job at all. We can all just sit back and collect UBI on our fully automated economy.
Of course we'll have to overthrow the bourgeoisie first, because if they own the factors and the robots they certainly aren't going to be keen on paying non-workers a portion of their profits.
(insert: Marxism Intensifies meme)
Real question: (Score:2)
And if the capitalist consumer-driven economy is floundering on lack of demand, where will the taxation revenue to support the UBI come from?
How does that economic math work out?
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Capitalism is a system supported by government institutions, such as the ability to form private companies and sell shares or bonds. You can have this type of system in parallel with another, even if only a portion of your population participates in the production or consumption side. This is known as mixed economy.
And if the capitalist consumer-driven economy is floundering on lack of demand, where will the taxation revenue to support the UBI come from?
If anyone is making money, you can tax them. Ultimately the government's revenues are going to be limited by the economic output of the nation. If your GDP is crashing, then you will not likely b
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How does that economic math work out?
It will have basically the same problem that minimum wage has: No matter how high you raise it, it will never feel like it's enough. And each time you do, you increase the velocity of money, which further accelerates inflation, which brings you back to step 1.
It's kind of funny that because progressives have an incredibly distorted view of how Nordic countries work. Among other things, they don't realize that those countries don't have a minimum wage, and by and large their economy is far more market driven
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And each time you do, you increase the velocity of money, which further accelerates inflation
The problem with this logic is that you need to argue the reverse too: that reducing inflation would be best done by taxing people so they can't spend as much money.
That very clearly shows the flaw in the logic. It implies that if you raise income by 10% for people with little money that all their costs will also rise with 10% or more. That is nonsense as it assumes that all additional income is spent and that all that spending converts directly into price hikes of things they buy.
The truth is that inflatio
They see that coming (Score:1)
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The whole "AI" sentry gun industry is a huge liability. But perhaps the billionaires will find the Trump administration and DOJ willing to shield them from the liability. I mean if you can force people on a plane to a foreign prison without any pesky judge looking over your shoulder, then anything should be possible.
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This is a good time to practice building battlebots out of scrapped equipment.
I remember there were some young programmers who built a paintball sentry gun that went viral, I seem to recall that they became defense contractors. And before them, some other folks had made a 1/4 scale predator drone you could buy for around three grand that could fly waypoints and "take photographs".
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I'm part of the liberal elite, well more accurately the petite bourgeoisie. So I already own a fraction of the robots and AI through my investment portfolio. I'm probably on the side of the wealth gap that isn't quickly rocketing to the bottom.
But center-right voters who work for a living and vote Republican? Those guys are really going to suffer under the new world order. When they start replacing truck drivers, construction electricians, welders, and pretty much all the trades. It will be slow at first, a
I wonder if the robot can feel for the workers (Score:2)
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Despite what Amazon says, this will eliminate some warehouse worker jobs.
Not necessarily. It could just end up being used to reduce worker hours below the level where they have to pay for health insurance. :-D
Or, slightly less cynically, it could allow them to scale up operations without hiring any additional people. For example, every warehouse could add Amazon Fresh support, and the human workers could be moved to produce packing duty while the robots do what the humans used to do. That technically wouldn't be replacing the humans, because they humans would still have jobs
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Despite what Amazon says, this will eliminate some warehouse worker jobs.
They don't HAVE to pay for health insurance no matter how many hours their employees work (except possibly in the usual commie jurisdictions like CA, MA, NY, etc.).
They simply have a POLICY of doing so. They can always revise that policy, if they so desire.
Actually, that's not entirely true. The Affordable Care Act (a.k.a. "ObamaCare") requires all employers with 50 or more employees to offer health insurance to anyone working more than 30 hours per week, and there are strict caps for how much that insurance can cost. For someone earning O($36k) per year (the average for an Amazon warehouse worker), if the employee pays more than $3,247.20 for that insurance, the employer would be in violation of the law. The average cost of health insurance for a single e
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Well, that's new. Thanks for the correction.
Now I understand the opposition to it. Now I'm opposed to it too.
Thanks!
Great, now the robots can squeeze the Charmin (Score:4, Funny)
Mr. Whipple can be replaced. We have the technology.
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A lot of the kids here won't get the reference.
Re:Great, now the robots can squeeze the Charmin (Score:5, Funny)
A lot of the kids here won't get the reference.
That's fine, as long as they get off my lawn.
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No doubt that some of them don't bother wiping their dirty asses too.
Re: Great, now the robots can squeeze the Charmin (Score:1)
big blunder (Score:2)
Online retailers should have done a better job forcing their suppliers to ship them items in standardized boxes that a robot can handle instead of retail packaging. They have leverage, they should have used it. Instead of trying to make their robot adapt to the input they should have made the input come in a format they can use.
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Online retailers should have done a better job forcing their suppliers to ship them items in standardized boxes that a robot can handle instead of retail packaging. They have leverage, they should have used it. Instead of trying to make their robot adapt to the input they should have made the input come in a format they can use.
This works for Amazon because they push the cost and hassle of dealing with package fillings (paper, foam, plastic bags, peanuts, et al) onto the end user. It's peanuts for the end user as the total cost is distributed across millions but if an Amazon warehouse had to deal with that from their suppliers it would cost them. Plus a lot of the savings for Amazon come from shipping multiple items in one box. If I order a carton of soft drink, book and bottle of shampoo fulfilled by Amazon it often comes in the
Rule of thumb: (Score:2)
Well I guess it's better than the alternative (Score:2)
... a robot that can 'feel' workers but won't replace items.
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They'll never make one of those, because it would replace what C-suite executives do.
Let's hope it's friendly (Score:2)
Or else:
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only 20 hours per day? (Score:2)
disappointing.
It will replace workers but that's okay (Score:2)
We need those workers to put tiny screws in tiny holes 10 hours a day.