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Google Calls Drive Data Loss 'Fixed,' Locks Forum Threads Saying Otherwise (arstechnica.com) 22

Google Drive recently lost user files, with some reporting missing documents since May 2023. Google said this month that it has posted a fix, but its description of a "syncing issue" doesn't seem to capture the problem based on user reports of web files disappearing, ArsTechnica notes.

The company hasn't fully explained the cause or its recovery solution, which involves desktop app options and command line file recovery, the report asserts. This opaque handling, along with Google shutting down the Drive user forum that allowed people to share fixes, adds to perception that the company prioritizes PR over assisting users, the report adds.
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Google Calls Drive Data Loss 'Fixed,' Locks Forum Threads Saying Otherwise

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  • Be Evil (Score:4, Funny)

    by BigFire ( 13822 ) on Friday December 08, 2023 @01:30PM (#64066725)

    Because not being evil isn't fun.

    • Remember the news about Google setting limits to Drive useage? A random source: https://www.news18.com/tech/go... [news18.com]

      It was speculated at that time that Drive was hitting some architectural limits and they were putting up a policy fix instead of a technology fix, or at least buying time. My guess is this data loss is related to the same tech limit, it's just that their integers have now reached overflow - your call on whether this is more of an analogy or the real thing.

      But knowing the way Google is set up for

    • So boring having to lisen to Pat Boone all day, while all the cool kids are banging their heads with Metal!

  • The cloud... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by slack_justyb ( 862874 ) on Friday December 08, 2023 @01:41PM (#64066759)

    Remember kids. The cloud is just someone else's computer.

    This should be funny, not insightful!

    • Re:The cloud... (Score:4, Insightful)

      by guruevi ( 827432 ) on Friday December 08, 2023 @01:58PM (#64066799)

      And you should always make a backup. Funny how people seem to forget that until their O365 datastore (since it is just Exchange, this happens quite often) blows up.

      • The Cloud, the ones I've bumped into (ow), seem much more oriented towards sharing data across "devices", rather than being a robust backup service. If you want to do backups, having an external encrypted hard drive is much faster and safer.

    • Remember kids. The cloud is just someone else's computer.

      Yep. The computer of someone who has teams of data recovery experts on hands. In the mean time most of the people complaining didn't even have basic functional backups. They are lucky they were using someone else's computer rather than their own or they would have been SOL when something goes wrong.

      That someone else is better at running their computer than 99.9% of computer users out there.

  • by Baron_Yam ( 643147 ) on Friday December 08, 2023 @01:46PM (#64066773)

    If you paid and lost data, it's lawsuit time. If you didn't, I'm sure you will receive a full refund.

    • I'm sure even if paying for it, your terms of service limit damages to your subscription cost. So after spending thousands on the lawsuit, proving your lost data (not easy to prove this data existed in the first place if you don't have it), you will win tens, perhaps hundreds in subscription refund.
  • by Murdoch5 ( 1563847 ) on Friday December 08, 2023 @01:50PM (#64066787) Homepage
    How many companies actually prioritize honestly over PR?

    I recently got a call from an executive at Rogers in Ontario, Canada, because I kept leaving a full exploitation of a problem on their Facebook, and Twitter pages. Every time someone would ask about X, I would post Y, because their explanation was just some PR hilarity, while Y was a literal explanation of the problem, complete with details. They would remove my explanation every time, and politely ask me to stop posting it, when I didn't someone very high up in the company called me and for ~1 hour said (to paraphrase): "Either stop posting that answer, or, we terminate your account. Your answer is NOT correct, and that's the final word.". After that someone in customer service called me and gave me a very detailed explanation, that matched my answer, and said, again to paraphrase: "Shut it, and move on.".

    Have you ever submitted a bug report to a company, complete with code, and their documentation? I won't name the company, but for years I've been trying to get them to solve a bug, and every single time I talk with their customer teams it's: "Nope, no, noway, nada, not a bug.". I used to post about the bug in the forums, and their devs would occasionally reply with very good explanations, and one day, those replies disappeared. They can't be searched or found, the company deleted them!

    You want to PR hilarity, go the Microsoft Forms, enough said.

    I can name a few companies who care about customers over PR, Goulet Pens is a good one, but the overall list that comes to mind is napkin with a shapie short.
    • >I talk with their customer teams it's: "Nope, no, noway, nada, not a bug."
      blame the lawyers for that one; admitting it's a bug probably opens them up to all kinds of liability, vs the blanket denial allowing them to just feign ignorance.

      • Fine, don't admit it, but at least fix the stupid problem. The problem results in hundreds of MB's of memory being locked in the browser that you can't free. That happens a few times now you've locked GB's of memory, and unless you have a workstation you'll probably crash after several hours of use. To show the company the issue, I maintain a JavaScript project that is always upgraded to their latest production version of the library, that shows the problem in action. I then list the several lines of d
      • by taustin ( 171655 )

        If "this security vulnerability isn't a bug," then it's by intent.

        Seems like that would open them up to a lot more liability.

  • PSA... (Score:3, Funny)

    by davepk ( 691946 ) on Friday December 08, 2023 @02:00PM (#64066811)
    Friends don't let friends Drive Google. .
  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 08, 2023 @02:00PM (#64066813)

    I lost about 40GB of data from my Drive back in October, and Google has no idea where it went. At the same time, I lost all emails before Jan 1 2018 from my Gmail account, and similarly, Google can't tell me where they went. On Monday this week, they closed my ticket as "resolved" and now won't respond to my communications.

    • So, just like open source bug reports.

    • by Diss Champ ( 934796 ) on Friday December 08, 2023 @02:39PM (#64066887)

      I lost about 40GB of data from my Drive back in October, and Google has no idea where it went. At the same time, I lost all emails before Jan 1 2018 from my Gmail account, and similarly, Google can't tell me where they went. On Monday this week, they closed my ticket as "resolved" and now won't respond to my communications.

      Since that's beyond the free threshold, I assume you've been paying for the data storage. If you want to make them hurt a little, offer to some lawyer to be lead claimant on a class action suit. It won't help any of their customers any (since once any payout is divided the only ones who get enough to matter are the lawyers), but at least it'll let some lawyers annoy someone who deserves it for a while.

  • Google is an internet search engine and an advertising company. Search indexes don't need full proof data retention since they can always rescan the internet section of interest and re-collect the results. This means their architecture probably does not prioritize reliable data retention. If you want your data securely stored, perhaps pay a company which specializes in secure data retention, rather than use a search/advertising company which is providing you free storage in exchange for your consent to data
  • Other peoples storage - and what is the opposite word for shemozzle?

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