BMW, Mini, Rolls-Royce, Toyota, and Lexus Are Switching To Tesla's EV Charging Standard (arstechnica.com) 34
Toyota and BMW are two of the latest automakers to announce they're adopting Tesla's North American Charging System (NACS) plug for their North American EVs, giving drivers access to Tesla's Supercharger network. Ars Technica reports: BMW's announcement applies to all its car brands, which means that in addition to EVs like the BMW i5 or i7, it's also swapping over to NACS for the upcoming Mini EVs as well as the Rolls-Royce Spectre. BMW will start adding native NACS ports to its EVs in 2025, and that same year its customers will gain access to the Tesla Supercharger network. BMW's release doesn't explicitly mention a CCS1-NACS adapter being made available, but it does say that BMW (and Mini and Rolls-Royce) EVs with CCS1 ports will be able to use Superchargers from early 2025.
Similarly, the Toyota news applies to its brand as well as Lexus. Toyota says that it will start incorporating NACS ports into "certain Toyota and Lexus BEVs starting in 2025." And customers with Toyota or Lexus EVs that have a CCS1 port will be offered an adapter allowing them to use NACS chargers, also in 2025. And -- you guessed it -- 2025 is when Toyota and Lexus EVs gain access to the Supercharger network. While virtually all the brands that sell EVs in the North American market have announced the switch, there are still a couple holdouts. Stellantis has yet to make the switch, "meaning Alfa Romeo, Chrysler, Dodge, Fiat, Jeep, Maserati, and Ram are all sticking with CCS1 for now," reports Ars.
"Volkswagen Group has also yet to take the plunge, which means that Audi and Porsche are also staying with CCS1 for now, as well as the soon-to-be-reborn Scout brand." That said, they're expected to announce a switch to the NACS plug any day now.
Similarly, the Toyota news applies to its brand as well as Lexus. Toyota says that it will start incorporating NACS ports into "certain Toyota and Lexus BEVs starting in 2025." And customers with Toyota or Lexus EVs that have a CCS1 port will be offered an adapter allowing them to use NACS chargers, also in 2025. And -- you guessed it -- 2025 is when Toyota and Lexus EVs gain access to the Supercharger network. While virtually all the brands that sell EVs in the North American market have announced the switch, there are still a couple holdouts. Stellantis has yet to make the switch, "meaning Alfa Romeo, Chrysler, Dodge, Fiat, Jeep, Maserati, and Ram are all sticking with CCS1 for now," reports Ars.
"Volkswagen Group has also yet to take the plunge, which means that Audi and Porsche are also staying with CCS1 for now, as well as the soon-to-be-reborn Scout brand." That said, they're expected to announce a switch to the NACS plug any day now.
Um... hello... (Score:2)
"meaning Alfa Romeo, Chrysler, Dodge, Fiat, Jeep, Maserati, and Ram are all sticking with CCS1 for now,"
Chrysler, Dodge, Fiat, Jeep and Ram are all the same company.
And Alfa Romeo and Maserati are meaninglessly small brands.
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perhaps read it again
Stellantis has yet to make the switch, "meaning Alfa Romeo, Chrysler, Dodge, Fiat, Jeep, Maserati, and Ram are all sticking with CCS1 for now,"
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Chrysler, Dodge, Fiat, Jeep and Ram are all the same company.
Is that company by any chance called Stellantis? You know, like the sentence says when you read it in its entirety instead of just quoting part of it?
And Alfa Romeo and Maserati are meaninglessly small brands.
No doubt you would be the type of person to complain that the list of brands which amounts to 50-100k cars yearly is incomplete if they were left out, and given their premium positioning they are far from meaningless for people who don't want to drive an average poorly made piece of shit.
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And premium brands with a reputation for high maintenance potentially stand to gain the MOST from transition to BEV.
But the OP has totally misinterpreted the entire point, these are brands that have not YET announced a transition but are expected to do so.
It's a mistake, but a sad inevitability at this point. Every car manufacturer should know that they do not want charging of their vehicles to be under the influence of Elon Musk. This is a guy that literally disabled satellite support during an attack to
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to the benefit of Putin
Elon Musk has contributed more to Ukraine's defense effort than you and the million like you who parrot this talking point ever will.
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Just call it NACS. (Score:3)
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But Elon Musk tried to remove child porn from Twitter
But Elon Musk said he tried to remove child porn from Twitter
FTFY
Title misrepresents actual change (Score:2)
These companies are adopting the NACS plug. That's all.
The protocols for communication between the car and the charger remain CCS1.
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What's at issue is access to the Supercharger network. NACS with standard CCS1 protocol gets you access to no new chargers. There is no industry standard for a complete charging solution around NACS, the industry is playing with the devil here.
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NACS with standard CCS1 protocol gets you access to no new chargers
The article states that this adoption of NACS includes access to the Supercharger network.
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Tesla was already in the process of converting the supercharger network to support the CCS1 protocol, both because they wanted the revenue from charging non-Tesla cars, and because they wanted to qualify for government subsidies. Now they'll be able to do that without having to build in physical CCS adapter solutions, they'll just need to account for adding support for the extra protocol.
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CCS has won out as the charging standard in North America. Virtually all the reporting around the change has completely misunderstood what's going on.
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Actually the Superchargers will have to change as well - the whole NACS/CCS1 thing is no more - you can just get a cheap passive adapter and it will work. The Superchargers will understand both the Tesla protocol and the CCS1 protocol so all vehicles can charge anywhe
Stellantis holdout or just asleep at the wheel? (Score:2)
Re:Stellantis holdout or just asleep at the wheel? (Score:5, Funny)
One could say they're planning to Dodge the transition to EVs.
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They would hardly admit it existed, then warned us that if we somehow found one, they would have nothing to do with it.
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I think that's just dealers in general. Around right before Covid hit, I was shopping for a new car at Nissan and for the hell of it asked if they wouldn't mind showing me a Leaf even though it was far outside of my budget. The salesman basically straight up said "We don't have any, we're not ordering any, and you don't want a Leaf." I mean yeah, it was true because I think their passively cooled battery is a disaster, but I still would've liked to have gotten a chance to test drive one.
More recently, th
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I think that's just dealers in general. Around right before Covid hit, I was shopping for a new car at Nissan and for the hell of it asked if they wouldn't mind showing me a Leaf even though it was far outside of my budget. The salesman basically straight up said "We don't have any, we're not ordering any, and you don't want a Leaf."
A few years ago when my wife was looking for a new car at the Toyota dealer, she looked at a Prius, and I asked about the plug-in version. The dealer seemed surprised anybody would want one, and said that they didn't have any and it would take weeks to get one, wouldn't she rather just buy the (non-plug-in) one they had in stock?
The connector isn't really an issue (Score:2)
A simple adapter can easily convert between the different connector standards. What really makes this possible is Tesla opening their network to other brands of EVs.
TBH, you might even be able to beat the dealer up on price on current generation EVs without NACS, and if you primarily (or in my partner's case with his Bolt EUV we'd recently purchased, exclusively) charge at home because you've got a secondary ICE vehicle to use for longer trips, the requirement for an adapter to use Tesla's network might n
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Third, NACS vehicles lose access to level 2 CCS1 chargers which are standard.
According to your posts, these vehicles will have access to zero DC chargers. You stated in one post that this change does not provide access to any new chargers and in the parent post that the vehicles will lose access to CCS chargers. That leaves access to zero DC chargers.
These cars will come with an adapter for CCS1 chargers.
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What about old EVs? (Score:2)
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Is there an adapter or did just all old non-compatible EVs became worthless?
There will be an adapter, and I'll venture a guess you might be able to score one for free if you live near a supercharger and regularly check it for adapters that are accidentally left connected to the charger. Finders keepers, lol.
Is it wise to trust in Musk? (Score:2)
Given how we've seen how Musk really likes to behave with the Twitter shenanigans, curious if that'll spill over to his other companies?
Like what's to stop Musk from doing something ridiculous with this system?
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Conundrum (Score:1)
One of the current drawbacks is the lack of a standard. I see Tesla charging stations all over the place and appear to be the dominant "standard". Looking back a few years from now this may be seen as a watershed moment to spur EV adoption. Of course it means ad