Acer Is Still Shipping PCs To Russia (yahoo.com) 67
Required Snark writes: Acer is selling computers in Russia even though they claimed they would abide by the Taiwanese government's commitment to the international embargo on western technology. The sales are through their Swiss subsidiary Acer Sales International SA. This subterfuge means Acer's position is nominally true even while they are breaking the embargo. Neither Russian, Swiss or Taiwanese government officials would comment on the report. According to Reuters, "Taiwan-based computer manufacturer Acer supplied at least $70.4 million worth of computer hardware to Russia between April 8, 2022 and March 31, 2023."
The actions aren't illegal because the shipments originated outside Taiwan, circumventing Taipei's sanctions against Russia. "Nor did they involve items restricted at the time of export by Switzerland's sanctions regime, which mirrors that of the European Union," adds Reuters. It does, however, contradict the company's statement on April 8 last year when it said it would "suspend its business in Russia."
The actions aren't illegal because the shipments originated outside Taiwan, circumventing Taipei's sanctions against Russia. "Nor did they involve items restricted at the time of export by Switzerland's sanctions regime, which mirrors that of the European Union," adds Reuters. It does, however, contradict the company's statement on April 8 last year when it said it would "suspend its business in Russia."
Corp found a way to sell something (Score:2, Insightful)
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There are no "renowned corporations".
Only shitty and shittier corporations.
That being said, simply refuse to buy Acer.
Re:Corp found a way to sell something (Score:5, Informative)
Just like GM and Ford supplied the Nazi regime. Sure, they *eventually* lost control of their German subsidiaries, but from 1933 to 1939 they were enthusiastic supporters and helped lay the foundations for the German invasion of France and Poland.
Re:Corp found a way to sell something (Score:4)
Don't forget IBM: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_and_the_Holocaust [wikipedia.org].
America had a huge pro-Nazi base (Score:2, Insightful)
It's another reason why there's so much backlash to teaching history in school these days (or what they call "CRT" because that sounds scarier) and why that backlash gets so m
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The problem with CRT is the conclusion. Which is 'because some people held some views in the past we now disagree with everything else the were for/did/built is wrong and ALL of it was secretly rooted in their *-ism. Anyone who defends or suggests anything those people did is good is a *-ist.'
Bollocks. It's more accurately "Everything some people did/built in the past was openly or secretly in whole or in part rooted in their -ism, the effects are still with us to varying degrees and still causing harm, and anyone who denies it has been infected with a -ist meme and is now propagating it."
Some people absolutely use this idea to declare that specific people or groups of the past are this, that, or the other thing. This is accurate or inaccurate to varying degrees, and the various ideas don't bear
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A number of laws and institutions which are still with us were created with rules we literally know to have been intended to affect specific groups, sometimes on racial bases.
And it's still happening today. Florida recently passed a law making playing your car stereo at an excessive volume illegal. I'll give you one guess at the skin color of those who are disproportionately pulled over for violating that law. Also, sometimes the laws don't even bother with a pretense of applying to everyone and you get things like drag bans, which directly attack a marginalized community.
CRT teaches people to recognize these things for what they are, and if you ask me, the ability to recogni
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Sounds like facially neutral noise ordinance. Maybe the majority does not believe a minority of people that like to have excessively loud music should be free to disturb everyone else.
What if excessively loud car stereos happens to be a cultural thing and not a skin color thing, even if said culture tends to align with skin color, does that suddenly mean the majority should have no rights? Do you hate democracy or something?
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And it's still happening today. Florida recently passed a law making playing your car stereo at an excessive volume illegal. I'll give you one guess at the skin color of those who are disproportionately pulled over for violating that law. Also, sometimes the laws don't even bother with a pretense of applying to everyone and you get things like drag bans, which directly attack a marginalized community.
CRT teaches people to recognize these things for what they are, and if you ask me, the ability to recognize discrimination is a necessary component of a free society.
Was this intended as sarcasm or are you being serious?
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Bollocks. It's more accurately "Everything some people did/built in the past was openly or secretly in whole or in part rooted in their -ism, the effects are still with us to varying degrees and still causing harm, and anyone who denies it has been infected with a -ist meme and is now propagating it."
Actually CRT is a religious ideology that assumes inequity = racism.
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Actually CRT is a religious ideology that assumes inequity = racism.
You don't know the difference between your ass and a well, actually
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You don't know the difference between your ass and a well, actually
Is it your view inequity is not the basis of CRT?
If so any thoughts on the logical basis for why math, science, art, maintenance of basic classroom discipline and the concept of merit itself would be held as examples of systematic oppression and racist policies?
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If so any thoughts on the logical basis for why math, science, art, maintenance of basic classroom discipline and the concept of merit itself would be held as examples of systematic oppression and racist policies?
You literally just asked me to explain CRT to you. Like, the whole thing. Go read a book. Or even a Wikipedia article. Or fuck, a pamphlet, because you clearly haven't tried to absorb any information on this subject, so literally anything would be informative to you at this point — if you actually read and absorbed it. Any room in there next to your white privilege?
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You literally just asked me to explain CRT to you. Like, the whole thing. Go read a book. Or even a Wikipedia article. Or fuck, a pamphlet, because you
Wikipedia says the following: "Gloria Ladson-Billings, whoâ"along with co-author William Tateâ"had introduced CRT to the field of education in 1995, described it in 2015 as an "interdisciplinary approach that seeks to understand and combat race inequity in society.""
clearly haven't tried to absorb any information on this subject, so literally anything would be informative to you at this point â" if you actually read and absorbed it.
I asked for your view and thoughts about a specific question: "Is it your view inequity is not the basis of CRT?"
If you agree you can say yes. If you disagree you can say no.
I also asked:
"If so any thoughts on the logical basis for wh
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You're in a forum.
I'm in a chair. And from where I'm sitting, you're full of shit. WaffleMaker's comment is best paraphrased as "I want you to waste your time so I can win as a troll, and also I have no idea about the thing we're discussing".
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Nobody has problems with the facts. The problem with CRT is the conclusion. Which is 'because some people held some views in the past we now disagree with everything else the were for/did/built is wrong and ALL of it was secretly rooted in their *-ism. Anyone who defends or suggests anything those people did is good is a *-ist.'
A simple question for you: Do you believe that people who believe that the color/ancestral origin of others entitles them to treat them as property, deny them rights and mutilate or kill them for disobedience are/were racists? If yes, how can you justify your position above? If not... then what are you smoking?
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You're trolling but, in an ideal world, people would have stopped voting for Democrats and none of the Democrat politicians who tried to rehabilitate themselves as suddenly enlightened after decades of racism would have stayed in any sort of power. There's been a bunch of history since then, however, and none of those politicians are alive any more and even most of their political proteges have aged out of politics or died by now. A new, clean set of political parties, without all the ties to the sordid pas
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The problem with CRT is the conclusion....That is what CRT is
How do you know that's what CRT is? Have you actually read anything by scholars specializing in the field or are you going by second hand reports? They don't have some set of conclusions that they work from, it's evident that they don't even agree with each other about a lot of things.
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I read 'Stamped from the Beginning' actually and concluded all on my very own it was 'chip on my shoulder' horse shit - that's how!
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No. GM, Ford, IBM etc none of them were flouting rules or embargos. The period where they were supplying the Nazis was not an active period of war. It's nice to think of the Nazis as a historical evil that always was, but the reality was for 6 years in charge they were just another government of a foreign country, happily doing business and trading internationally like any other. Well almost, they were borderline unstable and already rounding up Jews, but they weren't in war at the time nor were committing
Are they? (Score:5, Interesting)
The story says they claim they're only shipping peripherals.
Boo on that too, but it doesn't match the headline.
Might be beneficial (Score:5, Funny)
I wouldn't mind at all if HP sold all their printers to Russia.
I would never. (Score:2)
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I wouldn't mind at all if HP sold all their printers to Russia.
Absent the war in Ukraine I wouldn't mind buying a Russian printer made in an old Lada factory, if my choice was between that and an HP.
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As long as there was a good supply of ink ribbons and type wheels, I'd be right there with you.
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Joke's on you, they only know how to make a knockoff of the HPLJ2100
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You win The Internet today, sir.
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Same with Acer Computers, I think their slogan is "if you want computers really bad, we have really bad computers". Send the Russians all the Acer computers and HP printers they want!!! Worst case scenario is the end up throwing them at the Ukrainians
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With ink cartridges that require internet activation every 2 seconds and dry up in 5 seconds. Oh, and if you don't subscribe to the inkjet replacement protection plan within 30 seconds of first power on, the printer bricks itself.
Don't even think about refilling cartridges. There's a camera and RFID reader to make sure only genuine cartridges get anywhere near said printer. If detects a counterfeit cartridge anywhere nearby, it self-immolates.
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(Jots down notes) "Send... clear... message.... OK for strong countries... to redraw... their borders... at will.... & engulf... neighbors... West... won't... do anything. "
Got it! This will TOTALLY not have adverse repercussions for the US....
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Fuck the EU! and honestly screw Ukraine they are of no strategic import to us. We should bail on this entire conflict.
Jebus! Are you completely ignorant on how expansionist empires work? The problem with letting an expansionist empire gobble up a neighbor is that they don't just stop. They swallow their neighbors, integrate them into their empire, then use their neighbors resources to attack the next country and grow some more. The reason to stop Russia now is so that, in a generation, you don't have to directly fight Russia+Ukraine+Georgia+etc. Maybe you buy into Putin's public rationalizations and you just think this is
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The EU is a shit ally
The EU is the ally of greatest consequence.
this is primarily and Ukrainian problem
You're dumb, or your troll is dumb, which probably still means you're dumb. This is not how anything works, kiddo.
In other news... (Score:1)
Swiss laundromat (Score:3)
War is profitable if you're neutral and devoid of conscience.
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I was wondering who's running Acer (Score:3)
I found his picture [fanpop.com] and his bio [fandom.com].
You're cancelled, Acer (Score:2)
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This caused you to cancel? I'm guessing you haven't been paying attention to Acer the past few months. Rolling out hardware that is misconfigured, blaming the user, rolling out "fixes" that didn't actually fix the problem while also telling people that implementing the fix will void their warranty.
For many people paying attention Acer has been on the firm do not buy list for most of 2023 already. They have to be the most toxic (to their own customers) company in the industry right now.
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I haven't bought anything from then in more than a few months. But I won't in the future, because yes - this cancelled them. Supporting Russia in any way is far, far worse than shipping misconfigured equipment. If you don't think so then your brain is broken.
>For many people paying attention Acer has been on the firm do not buy list for most of 2023 already.
It must make you feel so satisfied being one of the people "pay
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I hope you're also avoiding doing business directly or indirectly with any of these other fine companies [wikipedia.org] which were involved in profiting from the holocaust. Or do we only care about Ukrainians and the present, with no accounting for the past? I'm all in on stopping Putin, and have been since speaking with Russians who fled when he came to power, let alone since his earlier wars of aggression. But I'm also all in on accounting for the countable profits from earlier atrocities...
(Probably lots more companies
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I can honestly say I don't have any products from any of the companies listed there. But thanks for the whataboutism, after all it wouldn't be the internet without whataboutism and trolling comments.
>Or do we only care about Ukrainians and the present, with no accounting for the past?
Are Nazis still in power and killing mill
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Are Nazis still in power and killing millions of people?
Well, not millions, but there are a shitload of nazis on police forces and in the military
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It's not whataboutism, because nowhere did I say "that's irrelevant because". You don't even know what the words you're using mean.
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Trying to redefine "whataboutism" doesn't mean you didn't use whataboutism, because you totally did
Here's what you wrote:
> I hope you're also avoiding doing business directly or indirectly with any of these other fine companies [wikipedia.org] which were involved in profiting from the holocaust.
The topic is cancelling Acer because they are still doing business in Russia. Your whataboutism comes in when you try to "
not only acer (Score:2)
Many businesses are selling to ruzzia under different brands through intermediary companies and countries. Germany, Lithuania, Hungary, Turkey, Greece, Armenia, Georgia, Malta, Kazakhstan, India, Belarus and China of course.
Companies that reopened their business in ruzzia include Adidas, Zara and many others.
https://leave-russia.org/stayi... [leave-russia.org]
The UN celebrated day of russian language (also my native language, just like Ukrainian) on the day when ruzzia blows up the dam that holds largest water reservoir in
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Ukraine is not ruzzia and from now on the hatred towards ruzzians and everything ruzzian will be immeasurable. You are a putin's troll and you should hope that you remain anonymous because the hunt for you and the likes of you is on.