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Asus Packs 12-Core Intel i7 Into a Raspberry Pi-Sized Board (theregister.com) 30

Posted by BeauHD from the small-but-mighty dept.
An anonymous reader quotes a report from The Register: The biz's GENE-ADP6, announced this week, can pack as much as a 12-core/16-thread Intel processor with Iris Xe graphics into a 3.5-inch form factor. The diminutive system is aimed at machine-vision applications and can be configured with your choice of Intel silicon including Celeron, or Core i3, i5, or a choice of 10 or 12-core i7 processors. As with other SBCs we've seen from Aaeon and others, the processors aren't socketed so you won't be upgrading later. This device is pretty much aimed at embedded and industrial use, mind. All five SKUs are powered by Intel's current-gen Alder Lake mobile processor family, including a somewhat unusual 5-core Celeron processor that pairs a single performance core with four efficiency cores. However, only the i5 and i7 SKUs come equipped with Intel's Iris Xe integrated graphics. The i3 and Celeron are stuck on UHD graphics. The board can be equipped with up to 64GB of DDR5 memory operating at up to 4800 megatransfers/sec by way of a pair of SODIMM modules.

For I/O the board features a nice set of connectivity including a pair of NICs operating at 2.5 Gbit/sec and 1 Gbit/sec, HDMI 2.1 and Display Port 1.4, three 10Gbit/sec-capable USB 3.2 Gen 2 ports, and a single USB-C port that supports up to 15W of power delivery and display out. For those looking for additional connectivity for their embedded applications, the system also features a plethora of pin headers for USB 2.0, display out, serial interfaces, and 8-bit GPIO. Storage is provided by your choice of a SATA 3.0 interface or a m.2 mSATA/NVMe SSD. Unlike Aaeon's Epic-TGH7 announced last month, the GENE-ADP6 is too small to accommodate a standard PCIe slot, but does feature a FPC connector, which the company says supports additional NVMe storage or external graphics by way of a 4x PCIe 4.0 interface.
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  • TFA states 5.75" x 4" (146mm x 101.7mm)

    PI is 85mm x 56mm x 17mm



    What worries me though is the lack of pricing information. If you can't just add to your basket and buy for an obvious price they are probably touting it to some AI startups who are getting fuck-off amounts of angel capital investor money thrown at them and also happen to be really space-constrained.

    • If you follow some of the links, they do end up at a place to buy...at 1,000$ and up, they won't be competing with Pis any time soon (though to be fair, I don't think they were ever designed to do so in the first place.)

    • Re:Bit bigger than pi (Score:4, Informative)

      by jacks smirking reven ( 909048 ) on Friday September 09, 2022 @09:33AM (#62866563)

      It's not even that, 3.5" SBC has been a form factor for years and years, maybe even decades. This are destined for industrial and embedded systems. If you want "in cart pricing" you can buy many models from Mouser or Digikey at only somewhat inflated prices:

      https://www.mouser.com/c/embed... [mouser.com]

      https://www.digikey.com/en/pro... [digikey.com]

      These things are really more destined to be bought in bulk buys direct from vendor or through distribution channels to be put into other products, generally only come with optional cooling leaving it up to the system integrator to devise a heatsink or fanned solution and do something with all those headers.

      Comparing it to a rPi isn't really all that fair.

      • Comparing it to a rPi isn't really all that fair.

        If I can't get my hands on one it is

        • curious.
          comparing to a raspberry pi.
          for the capitol spent on this new creation to the same amount for a set of raspberry pis.
          would this new device handle my xmas competitive front yard display as well as a set of raspberry pis

          • would this new device handle my xmas competitive front yard display as well as a set of raspberry pis

            Intel is not exactly known for being generous with I/O, so odds are you'd need a whole chain of expansion equipment with it for that you could theoretically omit with the Pis. I'd rather use ESP32s, they are readily available and cheap. But maybe you want to output FMV or something.

    • What worries me though is the lack of pricing information.

      You're reading way too much into it. It's a newly released product with the store page not updated yet. First looking at it I would agree it's not on their shop, but by the time I made it down to the comments (5 minutes later) it was listed in the store for $9999.00 and out of stock. Clearly this is a placeholder listing since nothing else on their website even comes close to this price. Nothing in the GENE line is over $1100 and the most expensive product they have is $4500 and a significantly different be

  • What about the cooling? (Score:3)

    by ugen ( 93902 ) on Friday September 09, 2022 @09:23AM (#62866545)

    So the board is small but would you need to pair it with a giant fan or a portable cooler?

    • Re: (Score:3)

      by suss ( 158993 )

      Optional Accessories
      CPU Cooler.12V.4800RPM.Smart FAN

      I somehow doubt this is optional, if you want the board/cpu to live longer than a few seconds...

      • Yes in my experience for where these are being sold the person integrating the board is meant to build a heatsink and cooling into their design or some I have worked with come with a passive heatsink that basically doubles the total thickness of the board itself.

        • This one requires an ATX power supply, thus the fan isn't adding much. Fanless x86 boards do exist, though.

          At my family home (no kids/wife, 1h away from parents -> coming for the weekend isn't optional, thus I need a 2nd battlestation) I use this baby [hardkernel.com]. Much weaker CPU, more I/O, smaller form factor, much less power (and thus heat) needed, etc. Not a single moving part.

          Of course, there's a slight difference between an embedded CPU from 2018 and a laptop one from 2022. Still, it has enough oomph to dri

          • Most 3.5" boards I have used don't need a full ATX supply but do need a decent sized DC supply. They tend to support 12-19V inputs but still, decent sized PSU needed depending on the model. Most customers buying these already have DC power available in the equipment these get integrated into so it's not as much of an issue.

            ODroids are very cool but i don't think it's fair to compare products from the likes of AAeon, Axiomtech, Advantech and the like to things like rPI's, it's just different needs for diff

      • It would be possible with a massive heat sink and the CPU tuned all the way down but then that would go against the reason for a 12 core 12th gen Intel CPU in the first place.

        • Re: (Score:2)

          by mysidia ( 191772 )

          that would go against the reason for a 12 core 12th gen Intel CPU in the first place.

          Maybe not.. Just like laptop makers do: A system builder could incorporate that and still advertise the "12-core Intel CPU xxx HZ" specs in their advertising, And the end user won't have a clue that the included hardware is pointless and will run throttled from day 1.

        • It would be possible with a massive heat sink and the CPU tuned all the way down but then that would go against the reason for a 12 core 12th gen Intel CPU in the first place.

          A newer processor with more cores retires more IPC. So if you're going to run underclocked for power/heat reasons, you want a more modern CPU even more than if you aren't.

          With enough heat sink mass you might also be able to turn the performance up for short stints, which could be useful in some cases.

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by Luckyo ( 1726890 )

        This is for system integrators, who will likely devise a cooling solution of their own, tailored for the specific system this thing is going into.

    • So the board is small but would you need to pair it with a giant fan or a portable cooler?

      Not to mention a fairly large power supply. The little wall wart you might use with a Pi is just a little bit under-powered for a 12-core i7.

  • ... is for Asus or one of the other PC OEMs to pack at 12-core Intel i7 into a Raspberry Pi priced board.

  • The biggest problem with these things is the lack of GPU power. Also this isn't even that interesting news, Intel NUC system have been smaller for years.

  • Who buys that at this time?

  • The beauty of RasberryPI is not so much size, but cost. The ‘PI brings computer power to do end job project to the hobbyist, student alike product developer alike. A $1200 box isn’t targeted at hobbyists or students – so don’t make a Rasberry PI comparison.

  • I just went to the site to see how much it costs....

    https://eshop.aaeon.com/embedd... [aaeon.com]

    It's $9,999.00. It's also out of stock.

  • For what purpose?
  • The article also suggests that while pricing has not yet been announced, the previous generation i7 board was sold at a premium: starting at $1,217 -- and that doesn't include memory, storage nor likely a number of other components that you'll need to boot it up. (For that matter, even the i3 board starts at $538.) So saying that these are "aimed at embedded and industrial use" may be putting it mildly... because pretty much nobody else is likely to pay those premium prices, when they could buy (or build) a

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