Apple Supplier Foxconn In Talks To Build $9 Billion Factory In Saudi Arabia (wsj.com) 48
An anonymous reader quotes a report from the Wall Street Journal: Foxconn, the biggest assembler of Apple iPhones, is in talks with Saudi Arabia about jointly building a $9 billion multipurpose facility (Warning: source paywalled; alternative source) that could make microchips, electric-vehicle components and other electronics like displays, according to people familiar with the matter. The Saudi government is reviewing an offer from the company, formally known as Hon Hai Precision Industry Co., to build a dual-line foundry for surface-mount technology and wafer fabrication in Neom, a tech-focused city-state the kingdom is developing in the desert, the people said. Discussions over the project started last year, they said. The Saudis are conducting due diligence and benchmarking the offer against others that Foxconn has made for similar projects globally, one of the people said. Besides Saudi Arabia, Foxconn is also talking with the United Arab Emirates about potentially siting the project there, one of the people said.
The Taiwan-based company has looked to diversify its manufacturing sites amid rising tensions between China and the U.S. that put it in a potentially vulnerable spot. Riyadh wants the company to guarantee that it would direct at least two-thirds of the foundry's production into Foxconn's existing supply chain, one of the people said, to ensure there are buyers for its products and the project is ultimately profitable. Foxconn is seeking large incentives including financing, tax holidays and subsidies for power and water in exchange for helping set up a high-tech manufacturing sector in the kingdom, the people said, as Saudi Arabia seeks to diversify its economy away from oil. The Saudis could offer direct equity co-investment, industrial development loans, low-interest debt from local banks and export credits to compete with other jurisdictions that Foxconn might consider, said another person familiar with the talks.
The Taiwan-based company has looked to diversify its manufacturing sites amid rising tensions between China and the U.S. that put it in a potentially vulnerable spot. Riyadh wants the company to guarantee that it would direct at least two-thirds of the foundry's production into Foxconn's existing supply chain, one of the people said, to ensure there are buyers for its products and the project is ultimately profitable. Foxconn is seeking large incentives including financing, tax holidays and subsidies for power and water in exchange for helping set up a high-tech manufacturing sector in the kingdom, the people said, as Saudi Arabia seeks to diversify its economy away from oil. The Saudis could offer direct equity co-investment, industrial development loans, low-interest debt from local banks and export credits to compete with other jurisdictions that Foxconn might consider, said another person familiar with the talks.
Where will they get the water? (Score:4, Insightful)
I'm guessing this is strategic to get access to oil and ports . But actual chip making requires water. So what desalination ? Or is this an assembly plant of prefabbed parts ?
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I'm guessing this is strategic to get access to oil and ports . But actual chip making requires water. So what desalination ? Or is this an assembly plant of prefabbed parts ?
Plenty of sand, though. You need sand to make silicon, right?
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I'm guessing this is strategic to get access to oil and ports . But actual chip making requires water. So what desalination ? Or is this an assembly plant of prefabbed parts ?
I'm guessing it's https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
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Wrong sand though. The sand they need comes from North Carolina. For that matter where are they gonna get the labor? I don't see many Saudis working in factories.
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Remember the $10B factory that Foxconn promised to build in Wisconsin?
Yes, only this one in Saudi Arabia will actually be built.
Another fabulous FAIL for Captain Bone Spurs...
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Had the people actually seen what working conditions are like in a Foxconn factory, they wouldn't have wanted one in the first place. Awhile ago, some test video leaked from a DJI drone, which showed actual Chinese worker “drones” building drones. When they’re not trying to put on a good show for their communist leaders, Chinese factory workers look quite unhappy.
I honestly can’t imagine working at a Chinese factory being a popular career choice here in the USA.
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That's a long-winded way of admitting I'm right.
Re: We seen this before... (Score:2)
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Yes. US labor costs (wages, benefits, OSHA regulations, etc.) made it a non-starter.
So just do what the Saudis do, bring in cheap labour from third world countries. It works for the US agricultural sector!
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They won't call it slavery, but just like the guys building those football World Cup stadiums in Qatar that is what they'll be.
It will probably reduce the cost of an iPhone though.
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Good Luck With That (Score:3)
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Not an urban legend (Score:2)
Even if Foxconn did not "receive most of the government benefits", Wisconsin still blew hundreds of millions of dollars on the project. https://apnews.com/0382dd6d2fe... [apnews.com]
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The difference (Score:2)
The difference between this one and the one Donald Dumbass Trump claimed to have struck a deal for is that this one in Saudi Arabia will actually be built.
In the end Wisconsin got to fuck over the taxpayers for millions of dollars and in return got nothing but some empty, half-finished buildings.
Another fabulous failure for Trump....as usual.
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The difference between this one and the one Donald Dumbass Trump claimed to have struck a deal for is that this one in Saudi Arabia will actually be built.
And you say this because...
Why do you believe this press release is somehow more binding than other press releases issued by Foxconn?
And, about that Foxconn plant in Wisconsin, the state only granted $8M in tax subsidies snd got nearly 1,500 new jobs at a plant building servers and 5G equipment.
I think $8M for 1,500 new jobs is an OK deal - that's $5,333/new job, spread out over a number of years.
Any idea how much each Foxconn employee pays annually in state income taxes? (The subsidies discount the employe
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Was it worth kicking hundreds of people off their property to create those 1500 jobs? Or diverting scores of millions of taxpayer dollars from needed infrastructure elsewhere in the state to building roads-to-nowhere in the vicinity of the site? Or opening TIF districts to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars so that the risks associated with funding private activities could be shifted onto local municipalities for years to come?
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And, about that Foxconn plant in Wisconsin, the state only granted $8M in tax subsidies snd got nearly 1,500 new jobs at a plant building servers and 5G equipment.
Except for the part where that never actually happened.
And I don't think $5,333 for a job is good, but maybe you live in a place where that's a lot of money.
Re: The difference (Score:2)
That $6K was the COST of creating each job, and no, I don't live in a place where tgat is a lot of money.
The gov't pitched in $8M to create over 5,000 jobs - that's million, not billion, not trillion.
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Sorry, slipped on the number, it was 1,500 jobs, but still $6K per job.
MBS (Score:2)
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I can't believe it's not (Score:2)
Apple boycott then (Score:2)
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Last I checked Saudi Arabia (Score:2)
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The water most likely gets recycled, probably in a closed circle. ... except China and the US ofc course.
Like everywhere else on the words
This is not what it appears to be. (Score:2)
In Saudi Arabia (worked there, 1990s), Saudis don't really do anything but put up with the crown and the wacko mullahs and suck up the dole that the crown provides to insure indolence.
At the top end, all of the work is (was) done by contractors from the US and the UK.
At the bottom end, they ship in and work to death unskilled souls from whatever country people are fleeing at the moment. There are no labor laws for non-Saudi citizens.
Even as a high-demand s
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Run from one authoritarian... (Score:2)
Run from one authoritarian despot government into the embracing arms of another.
Why not spend that money to build a fab somewhere less likely to risk war, strife, or sanction?
Careful what you wish for (Score:2)
Not sure KSA really wants the level of cutthroat, low-wage employment that manufacturing brings. Or the UAE, for that matter. FoxConn should probably be looking at India or another middle-income nation with relatively high unemployment. That would be a win-win.