AMD Allegedly Jacking Up RX 6000 GPU Prices by 10 Percent (extremetech.com) 51
As wafer costs increase, so are the costs of GPUs. According to a post on the Board Forums, AMD says it's increasing the price of its RX 6000 series GPUs by 10 percent across the board. ExtremeTech reports: This pricing change will apparently occur in the next shipment of GPUs to its partners, which will apparently drive up the price of these GPUs by $20 to $40 USD. This news arrives just in time for the holiday shopping season, when demand for GPUs is expected to increase even more, as if that is even possible.
According to a translation of the board posting, AMD is citing TSMC wafer costs as the reason for the change, and as we reported earlier, sub-16nm prices, including 12nm, 7nm, and 5nm, are said to have increased roughly 10 percent, while TSMC's older nodes have gone up by as much as 20 percent. AMD seems to be passing this price increase along to its partners, who in turn are passing it along to us, the customer, or the scalper, as it were. Then the scalper passes it along to us, the gamers. Although, as Videocardz points out AMD also produces its CPUs at TSMC and there hasn't been a similar across-the-board increase, which is curious.
According to a translation of the board posting, AMD is citing TSMC wafer costs as the reason for the change, and as we reported earlier, sub-16nm prices, including 12nm, 7nm, and 5nm, are said to have increased roughly 10 percent, while TSMC's older nodes have gone up by as much as 20 percent. AMD seems to be passing this price increase along to its partners, who in turn are passing it along to us, the customer, or the scalper, as it were. Then the scalper passes it along to us, the gamers. Although, as Videocardz points out AMD also produces its CPUs at TSMC and there hasn't been a similar across-the-board increase, which is curious.
way to take one for the team (Score:2)
... at least AMD is doing their part about all those cyber grinches
*yawn* Everything is going up... (Score:1, Troll)
All the electronics are going up, across the board... some just take longer than others. Most likely they have contracts with TSMC to produce CPUs for a certain price for a given length of time, and once those contracts are up CPUs will jump in price also.
Network gear is going up... CPUs, servers, cars, phones... there's not much that isn't going up in price right now. Lots of reasons why, and I suppose we can't blame it all on our illustrious leader of the present time... even if it is all his fault he w
Re:*yawn* Everything is going up... (Score:4, Informative)
We're sitting at 6% sustained inflation right now.
I'll need a 6% raise just to not lose money
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Especially since Covid obviously harmed productivity, so the real question is whether some other way of taking the impact would have been more palatable. There certainly was going to be an impact, one way or another.
If I were running against Biden in a co
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For those with no 401(k) or home equity, it's quite bad. Wage growth is being outpaced by inflation.
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The difference is that people who save (at least in the classic sense) are damaged by inflation, while people in debt benefit. As their wages increase and the value of the dollar decreases, the value of their debt decreases and they can more easily pay it off, while those who have been studiously socking away cash in the mattress (or the bank, which is about the same thing) suddenly have dramatically less emergency cushion / retirement than they once did.
Those who have most of their savings invested in equ
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That's not how economies work (Score:4, Interesting)
The way we handled this when the boomers were up and coming was with a metric ton of gov't spending. In the late 90s when the cuts began to be felt the
So to balance the massive productivity increases (and their matching job losses [businessinsider.com]) we either do gov't spending or we wait for things to get bad enough to civilization collapses into war and we blow up enough stuff that we can get jobs putting it all back together.
Of course two problems with option #2 (aside from the whole "ghastly lose of human life" thing). a) the ruling class is none too keen on wars anymore (they're global these days, and a big war to blow up their stuff would just blow up their stuff) and b) it'll probably end in permanent, North Korean style fascism.
So those are your choices. Now pick one. I know which one I picked.
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I guess you are missing the electric car bubble completely.
I guess I did (Score:3)
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Tesla's stock shooting up [...] largely due to massive gov't subsidies
Not true.
Tesla did get the same $7500 tax credit that was available to any BEV maker. Tesla did get a US government loan, which they paid back early. Other than that Tesla doesn't get any subsidies.
Tesla does get credits which they have been selling to other car makers. It's good money and there's no reason Tesla shouldn't take it. But Tesla is very profitable without it. The credits are only a small part of Tesla's gross margins:
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It's almost as if the 1970s never happened, according to you.
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Again you don't understand what inflation is. Inflation in a healthy economy is when there is more demand then there is supply and productivity to generate that supply. Inflation in a sick economy is when monopolies raise prices because they can. We have the latter not the former.
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Way to dodge, pal. Way to dodge.
"The way we handled this when the boomers were up and coming was a metric ton of gov't spending" HURF DURF STAGFLATION NEVAR HAPPENED.
Whip Inflation Now!
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Missing from the price gouging discussion is the other side of the coin. Wages in many cases are increasingly subject to price fixing. Many areas have precious few employers for a given profession. Mergers not only make it easier for price fixing, but also wage suppression. Take the example from the link for Boeing. If you are an aerospace engineer of some kind you have just a few potential employers (basically Boeing, Lockheed Martin, and Northrop Grumman, though my memory is fuzzy). Go back a few de
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We're sitting at 6% sustained inflation right now.
I'll need a 6% raise just to not lose money
We are not at 6% where I live. My grocery bill is at least 15% higher, and gas prices are about as high as I have ever seen. I am not sure how that are calculating that 6%. Must be some of that "New Math" I have been hearing about.
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Same way it has been calculated for a while. "Select a few things we want to focus on, ignore the rest".
Consider for example the fact that housing is typically not included in inflation calculus. Even though it's a de facto driver of much of economic activity today. Because if you did, a lot of places would see inflation greater than... median yearly salary of a worker in that region.
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Because economists don't cherry pick data points. They have price indexes that they've been using for decades to normalize upswings in some commodities that are not representative of the entire economy. Example: if there is a shortage of petroleum so fuel prices rise, however durable goods are unaffected outside of increased logistics pricing stemming from the fuel price rise. They make an aggregate score of the price of many different classes of products, and then compare that score over time.
It turns o
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Prices will begin to settle when all those ships sitting off the West Coast of North America from the Port of Los Angeles all the way up to the Port of Prince Rupert manage to offload. With the near total wipe out of most of the roads out of Vancouver during the big rain storms just over a week ago, the supply issues are just getting worse. And that's not even talking about supply chain issues that are mucking things in fab plants in Asia. It's just a really really really shitty time in international trade.
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Prices will begin to settle when all those ships sitting off the West Coast of North America from the Port of Los Angeles all the way up to the Port of Prince Rupert manage to offload
Maybe a little. There is more stuff passing through those ports. It's not just a simple backlog. People are buying more. And have been since a lot of income has been redirected away from travel and other intangible expenses.
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There is definitely a significant backlog though. I flew into Portland a few weeks ago and there was no less than 5 container ships at anchor in the Columbia waiting to unload. I don't think I've ever seen that in Portland. I'm guessing a few ships decided that going several hundred miles north in order to have a shorter line to wait in was probably a good idea.
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I'm not saying that there isn't a backlog. Just that it is not a simple one - that the historically standard amount of work is being done and then some. There is simply just way more work that needs done. Way more ships. The only time I've seen trains while driving in the last few months, they've been nothing but intermodal containers from end to end.
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The refurb resellers are going gangbusters. I've bought a number of PCs in the last few months to replace crapped out or aging hardware. In part it's just availability. Even where the price is good, before I've had a chance to hit the "purchase" button, blammo they're out of stock. It's why I'm keeping my old laptop in reserve. It's a bit creaky, but if my new gets dropped off a shelf, I do not want to be trying to buy a new one in this market.
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AMD will likely eat the cost increase on the CPU side since they're currently not competitive against intel's new alder lake platform. If intel is actually able to meet market demand, they may need to even drop prices there.
On the bright side, the die size of a $450 CPU (5800x) is about 1/3 the size of a $450 GPU (6700xt), and AMD doesn't have to share the CPU price with a board partner.
FWD to your parents (Score:2)
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Good luck with that. Because we'll be so much better off when a bunch of obstructionist culture warriors start running Congress, right? How many Obamacare repeal votes can we expect this time? I mean, we already had over 30 of them go down in flames, what's a few 20+ more? Oh, and putting a bunch of back-bencher bomb-throwing Q-pandering attention whores into power on various committees, where they will have no fucking clue what they're doing? Yeah, where do I sign up for that?
You might think you want
Also known as... (Score:3, Insightful)
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Pull your pants up, your nascar is showing.
who cares (Score:2)
I won't be buying any new video cards until they aren't subject to "scalping" because idiots think they should join the cool cats and "mine some coinz".
I'll stick with my Nvidia 1080ti until it breaks or prices return to normal. It's way more performance than I need for my desktop already.
Best,
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Just wait until the TSMC 5/3nm fabs come online in a year or two. The market will be flooded and prices will come down.
The reason AMD isn't upping prices for CPUs is because a) they already did that when Zen 3 came out b) Intel cut their prices so AMD can't raise theirs.
NVIDIA just keeps jacking up their prices so AMD has little reason to cut theirs in GPUs.
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The world's going to hell because of this kind of self-interest.
Enjoy the ride, it's going to be bumpy.
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I just want a cheap card that can decode 4k hevc in hardware. The gt 1030 fits the bill but used prices are over $100 while new cards can be had for $130.
No biggie, just a missing comma (Score:2)
No big deal, It's just a missing comma. Google's actual advice is: "if you see something going on that you think should be reported, then don't, be evil."
A 10% price increase is nothing (Score:2)
Scalpers have already driven up street prices far more than that. Moving MSRP really isn't going to make much difference.
AMD also produces its CPUs at TSMC (Score:2)
AMD also produces its CPUs at TSMC and there hasn't been a similar across-the-board increase, which is curious.
Not that curious. GPUs and CPUs are built on different processes.